Top 100 undergrad CS by US News

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Anyone have knowledge of, or experience with, the job market for ECE ? How much would the school matter for that?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't claim to be up on CS rankings, but Carnegie Mellon being #2 does surprise me. When I was in undergrad way back in the 90's, it seemed like it had a reputation for being a decent school overall, but nowhere near in the same league as MIT or Stanford, etc. Then again, that's speaking as a school overall, not just CS, as CS back then definitely wasn't what it is now!

CM is getting better and better. They also have a great financial engineering grad program. I'm surprised that Princeton is so high on the list.

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Anonymous wrote:Think of CS jobs as a spectrum.. On the more "cool" and difficult end are the hard core programming jobs, the ones that create software like salesforce, facebook or google's own algorithms, building a web browser, etc. On the other end of the spectrum are Information systems jobs that take these tools and apply them to business situations (implementing salesforce, custom code to build business websites, etc.).

The first category of jobs are fewer in number and pay a lot more in the long run and most of the hires come disproportionately from top CS schools. The latter kind (IS jobs) draw heavily from the lower ranked schools and bootcamps and pay less than pure CS jobs. There are also a lot more of these jobs.

Net result? The majority of CMU CS grads will end up with hardcore CS jobs that pay 20-50% more (total comp) while the majority of UVA CS grads will end up working at IS jobs (think Accenture, BAH, etc.).

There are so few CMU students that they don't make much a dent in the whole industry. Also the first generation of google search engine was first developed by the graduates from state univ that are on par with UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:Think of CS jobs as a spectrum.. On the more "cool" and difficult end are the hard core programming jobs, the ones that create software like salesforce, facebook or google's own algorithms, building a web browser, etc. On the other end of the spectrum are Information systems jobs that take these tools and apply them to business situations (implementing salesforce, custom code to build business websites, etc.).

The first category of jobs are fewer in number and pay a lot more in the long run and most of the hires come disproportionately from top CS schools. The latter kind (IS jobs) draw heavily from the lower ranked schools and bootcamps and pay less than pure CS jobs. There are also a lot more of these jobs.

Net result? The majority of CMU CS grads will end up with hardcore CS jobs that pay 20-50% more (total comp) while the majority of UVA CS grads will end up working at IS jobs (think Accenture, BAH, etc.).

Just wondering if the IS types tend to end up in upper management or on the partner track which increases their earnings tremendously while the hard core programmers will stay in the same job unless they work for start ups that have high earning potential.

A friend who is an no name school IS graduate loves to point out that those hardcore elite school CS graduates all work for him. He with his management chops gets to call the shots.

That's universal though.. A grad with people/management skills and street smarts will likely end up in upper management - regardless of whether you start in IS or hard core CS. They do have managers at companies like Google and Apple - opportunities that would likely not be available to a no-name school grad.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the first generation of google search engine was first developed by the graduates from state univ that are on par with UVA.

...while they were graduate students at Stanford.

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Anonymous wrote:Think of CS jobs as a spectrum.. On the more "cool" and difficult end are the hard core programming jobs, the ones that create software like salesforce, facebook or google's own algorithms, building a web browser, etc. On the other end of the spectrum are Information systems jobs that take these tools and apply them to business situations (implementing salesforce, custom code to build business websites, etc.).

The first category of jobs are fewer in number and pay a lot more in the long run and most of the hires come disproportionately from top CS schools. The latter kind (IS jobs) draw heavily from the lower ranked schools and bootcamps and pay less than pure CS jobs. There are also a lot more of these jobs.

Net result? The majority of CMU CS grads will end up with hardcore CS jobs that pay 20-50% more (total comp) while the majority of UVA CS grads will end up working at IS jobs (think Accenture, BAH, etc.).

There are so few CMU students that they don't make much a dent in the whole industry. Also the first generation of google search engine was first developed by the graduates from state univ that are on par with UVA.

Valid points. Picking the right college is like trying to game the system. Go to Harvard, your chances of ending up rich are much higher relative to say, going to Virginia Tech. Not to say, a Tech grad will not end up rich..just that there will be a lot fewer of those relative to a Harvard.

As I said, the hard core CS jobs are not that many to begin with, at least not as many as IS jobs. While not many grads come out of CMU, if you add up the number of grads coming out of the top 25 CS programs, it is a lot. Companies would likely prefer to exhaust that list before moving on to lower tier schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Most employers don't care about Ivies where it comes to Computer Science.

Are you an ivy grad or has a kid in an ivy? Unless this review is from your personal experience, it's meaningless.

No, I work in industry doing the hiring. And where it comes to computer science, Ivies typically have little relevance. I'd rank MIT, Stanford, CMU ahead of Ivies and solid tech schools ahead of or on par with Ivies.

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Anonymous wrote:Most employers don't care about Ivies where it comes to Computer Science.

Are you an ivy grad or has a kid in an ivy? Unless this review is from your personal experience, it's meaningless.

No, I work in industry doing the hiring. And where it comes to computer science, Ivies typically have little relevance. I'd rank MIT, Stanford, CMU ahead of Ivies and solid tech schools ahead of or on par with Ivies.

Which is exactly what most informed people in this thread have been saying.

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Anonymous wrote:Most employers don't care about Ivies where it comes to Computer Science.

Are you an ivy grad or has a kid in an ivy? Unless this review is from your personal experience, it's meaningless.

No, I work in industry doing the hiring. And where it comes to computer science, Ivies typically have little relevance. I'd rank MIT, Stanford, CMU ahead of Ivies and solid tech schools ahead of or on par with Ivies.

I am guessing ivy, MIT, Stanford, CMU students don't apply to your firm. I mean, you are obviously not up there with FAANG or Jane Street. Many ivy students turn down FAANGs.

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Anonymous wrote:Most employers don't care about Ivies where it comes to Computer Science.

Are you an ivy grad or has a kid in an ivy? Unless this review is from your personal experience, it's meaningless.

No, I work in industry doing the hiring. And where it comes to computer science, Ivies typically have little relevance. I'd rank MIT, Stanford, CMU ahead of Ivies and solid tech schools ahead of or on par with Ivies.

I am guessing ivy, MIT, Stanford, CMU students don't apply to your firm. I mean, you are obviously not up there with FAANG or Jane Street. Many ivy students turn down FAANGs.

"I am guessing"

This is the only part of your statements that is relevant.

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Anyone thinking about 4 years of SJU should consider a 12-week book camp.

Anyone who thinks you can learn what you need for a successful tech career in a 12 week boot camp with no other tech experience is so far off the reservation they don't deserve a reply.

So why did I reply?

I don't know. I feed the trolls like people feed pigeons I guess.

I actually ran out of food to feed the prestige troll(s), lol.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most employers don't care about Ivies where it comes to Computer Science.

Are you an ivy grad or has a kid in an ivy? Unless this review is from your personal experience, it's meaningless.

No, I work in industry doing the hiring. And where it comes to computer science, Ivies typically have little relevance. I'd rank MIT, Stanford, CMU ahead of Ivies and solid tech schools ahead of or on par with Ivies.

I am guessing ivy, MIT, Stanford, CMU students don't apply to your firm. I mean, you are obviously not up there with FAANG or Jane Street. Many ivy students turn down FAANGs.

Why in the world should anyone give a damn about Jane Street, which has little more than 1000 employees and hires only a handful of people each year? That should drive no one's college choice. By comparison, Facebook, Apple, Alphabet, and Netflix employ a combined 400k.

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Anonymous wrote:Most employers don't care about Ivies where it comes to Computer Science.

Are you an ivy grad or has a kid in an ivy? Unless this review is from your personal experience, it's meaningless.

No, I work in industry doing the hiring. And where it comes to computer science, Ivies typically have little relevance. I'd rank MIT, Stanford, CMU ahead of Ivies and solid tech schools ahead of or on par with Ivies.

I am guessing ivy, MIT, Stanford, CMU students don't apply to your firm. I mean, you are obviously not up there with FAANG or Jane Street. Many ivy students turn down FAANGs.

"I am guessing"

This is the only part of your statements that is relevant.

Your message got lost bc you obviously have an ax to grind.

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I have twin boys and both just graduated in CS, one from CMU and the other from VT. The CMU graduate is working for IBM with a salary of 95K/yr while the VT is working for Amazon with a salary of 125K/yr. The VT son has no student loan debt while the CMU son has 50K in student debt.

CMU might be good for some people but certainly not my kid.

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and the Amazon one is being overworked?