Top 100 undergrad CS by US News

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. Couple more examples to show why the overreliance on rankings and prestige is wrong. Continuing on San Jose State example, who are the top Tech employers located in the city of San Jose, Adobe and Cisco are two of the most prominent. Where they went to school? a hit on LinkedIn shows Adobe top 3 are 1. San Jose State Univ 2. Berkeley. What about Cisco? 1. San Jose State Univ 2. Santa Clara Univ. Go figure, local schools matters to employers.

What are their salaries?

What is your salary?

You are pointing to San Jose as an example of a non-elite who has arrived. So, it's a fair question to see if firms pay them the same salary they pay elite graduates. I am sure silicon valley also hires code monkeys out of boot camps, and coders from India. I doubt they get the same salary as elite college grads even if they work for the same firms.

You should contact the San Jose graduates from linkedin and ask their salaries. Post back here.

I’ll take this as SJS graduates do as well as code monkeys graduating from coding boot camps.

No one cares what your believe.

Anyone thinking about 4 years of SJU should consider a 12-week book camp.

Anyone who thinks you can learn what you need for a successful tech career in a 12 week boot camp with no other tech experience is so far off the reservation they don't deserve a reply.

So why did I reply?

I don't know. I feed the trolls like people feed pigeons I guess.

Supposedly there is no difference between MIT vs SJU. So some posters say, choose SJU. By their logic, there’s no discernible difference between SJU vs a 12-week - or longer - boot camp. So by their logic, choose the boot camp. I believe the pay might be competitive without the 4 years of meaningless distribution requirements in basketweaving “cultural” classes.

Different PP. Again, are you talking about SJU (St Josephs, I guess?) or SJSU (San Jose State U), as the first PP was?

I don't think anyone disputes a difference between MIT and San Jose State U. The question ought to be, in my opinion, what school is sufficient to get one's foot in whatever door, through whatever means (which may or may not include on campus recruiting and cold-emailing), and then to what extent it matters after that, if at all, later in one's career. The rest is up to the individual, first interview and beyond. Obviously, MIT selects the best and brightest, as it sees fit, whereas there is a much wider range of talent at schools like San Jose State U (or at St Josephs for that matter, though San Jose State U has a massive location advantage)

There seems to be a suggestion that prestige matters for CS. Well, it matters a heck of a lot less than in fields like IB. Or is that what some of you intended to refer to? A lot of confusion in this thread as to exactly which situations prestige matters for - and in which geographic locations.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. Couple more examples to show why the overreliance on rankings and prestige is wrong. Continuing on San Jose State example, who are the top Tech employers located in the city of San Jose, Adobe and Cisco are two of the most prominent. Where they went to school? a hit on LinkedIn shows Adobe top 3 are 1. San Jose State Univ 2. Berkeley. What about Cisco? 1. San Jose State Univ 2. Santa Clara Univ. Go figure, local schools matters to employers.

What are their salaries?

What is your salary?

You are pointing to San Jose as an example of a non-elite who has arrived. So, it's a fair question to see if firms pay them the same salary they pay elite graduates. I am sure silicon valley also hires code monkeys out of boot camps, and coders from India. I doubt they get the same salary as elite college grads even if they work for the same firms.

You should contact the San Jose graduates from linkedin and ask their salaries. Post back here.

I’ll take this as SJS graduates do as well as code monkeys graduating from coding boot camps.

No one cares what your believe.

Anyone thinking about 4 years of SJU should consider a 12-week book camp.

Anyone who thinks you can learn what you need for a successful tech career in a 12 week boot camp with no other tech experience is so far off the reservation they don't deserve a reply.

So why did I reply?

I don't know. I feed the trolls like people feed pigeons I guess.

Supposedly there is no difference between MIT vs SJU. So some posters say, choose SJU. By their logic, there’s no discernible difference between SJU vs a 12-week - or longer - boot camp. So by their logic, choose the boot camp. I believe the pay might be competitive without the 4 years of meaningless distribution requirements in basketweaving “cultural” classes.

Different PP. Again, are you talking about SJU (St Josephs, I guess?) or SJSU (San Jose State U), as the first PP was?

I don't think anyone disputes a difference between MIT and San Jose State U. The question ought to be, in my opinion, what school is sufficient to get one's foot in whatever door, through whatever means (which may or may not include on campus recruiting and cold-emailing), and then to what extent it matters after that, if at all, later in one's career. The rest is up to the individual, first interview and beyond. Obviously, MIT selects the best and brightest, as it sees fit, whereas there is a much wider range of talent at schools like San Jose State U (or at St Josephs for that matter, though San Jose State U has a massive location advantage)

There seems to be a suggestion that prestige matters for CS. Well, it matters a heck of a lot less than in fields like IB. Or is that what some of you intended to refer to? A lot of confusion in this thread as to exactly which situations prestige matters for - and in which geographic locations.

I guess if the prestige matters less in CS, why would you choose San Jose State when you can get your foot in the door with a boot camp - unless you are a San Jose University prestige hound.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. Couple more examples to show why the overreliance on rankings and prestige is wrong. Continuing on San Jose State example, who are the top Tech employers located in the city of San Jose, Adobe and Cisco are two of the most prominent. Where they went to school? a hit on LinkedIn shows Adobe top 3 are 1. San Jose State Univ 2. Berkeley. What about Cisco? 1. San Jose State Univ 2. Santa Clara Univ. Go figure, local schools matters to employers.

What are their salaries?

What is your salary?

You are pointing to San Jose as an example of a non-elite who has arrived. So, it's a fair question to see if firms pay them the same salary they pay elite graduates. I am sure silicon valley also hires code monkeys out of boot camps, and coders from India. I doubt they get the same salary as elite college grads even if they work for the same firms.

You should contact the San Jose graduates from linkedin and ask their salaries. Post back here.

I’ll take this as SJS graduates do as well as code monkeys graduating from coding boot camps.

No one cares what your believe.

Anyone thinking about 4 years of SJU should consider a 12-week book camp.

Anyone who thinks you can learn what you need for a successful tech career in a 12 week boot camp with no other tech experience is so far off the reservation they don't deserve a reply.

So why did I reply?

I don't know. I feed the trolls like people feed pigeons I guess.

Supposedly there is no difference between MIT vs SJU. So some posters say, choose SJU. By their logic, there’s no discernible difference between SJU vs a 12-week - or longer - boot camp. So by their logic, choose the boot camp. I believe the pay might be competitive without the 4 years of meaningless distribution requirements in basketweaving “cultural” classes.

Different PP. Again, are you talking about SJU (St Josephs, I guess?) or SJSU (San Jose State U), as the first PP was?

I don't think anyone disputes a difference between MIT and San Jose State U. The question ought to be, in my opinion, what school is sufficient to get one's foot in whatever door, through whatever means (which may or may not include on campus recruiting and cold-emailing), and then to what extent it matters after that, if at all, later in one's career. The rest is up to the individual, first interview and beyond. Obviously, MIT selects the best and brightest, as it sees fit, whereas there is a much wider range of talent at schools like San Jose State U (or at St Josephs for that matter, though San Jose State U has a massive location advantage)

There seems to be a suggestion that prestige matters for CS. Well, it matters a heck of a lot less than in fields like IB. Or is that what some of you intended to refer to? A lot of confusion in this thread as to exactly which situations prestige matters for - and in which geographic locations.

I think what gets lost in these talks is that there are people for whom ivies cost less than San Jose State University. Ivy FA is that good.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess if the prestige matters less in CS, why would you choose San Jose State when you can get your foot in the door with a boot camp - unless you are a San Jose University prestige hound.

Because degree levels matter. Maybe not initially, but eventually, down the road. A boot camp certification isn't the same as a BA/BS. Degree levels are a separate issue from undergrad institution.

Speaking of which, grad school somewhere fancier can be an option following a cheaper undergrad, albeit not necessarily required in CS. Depends on exactly what one is trying to accomplish. On the business side, MBA, vs various masters programs on the technical side, such as AI.

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Anonymous wrote:I think what gets lost in these talks is that there are people for whom ivies cost less than San Jose State University. Ivy FA is that good.

This is absolutely true. Yet some might find their assets - like California real estate - are valued too high to yield enough need-based aid. It really all depends on the individual situation.

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Anonymous wrote:I think what gets lost in these talks is that there are people for whom ivies cost less than San Jose State University. Ivy FA is that good.

This is absolutely true. Yet some might find their assets - like California real estate - are valued too high to yield enough need-based aid. It really all depends on the individual situation.

Ivies I know do not consider home equity on a primary residence. They also do not consider retirement accounts. Even with a $2M+ asset, I pay significantly less than what San Jose State University would cost.

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Wow GMU has gotten quite better

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Anonymous wrote:I think what gets lost in these talks is that there are people for whom ivies cost less than San Jose State University. Ivy FA is that good.

This is absolutely true. Yet some might find their assets - like California real estate - are valued too high to yield enough need-based aid. It really all depends on the individual situation.

Ivies I know do not consider home equity on a primary residence. They also do not consider retirement accounts. Even with a $2M+ asset, I pay significantly less than what San Jose State University would cost.

So you have an income that is low relative to your assets. I don't think that's typical.

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Anonymous wrote:I think what gets lost in these talks is that there are people for whom ivies cost less than San Jose State University. Ivy FA is that good.

This is absolutely true. Yet some might find their assets - like California real estate - are valued too high to yield enough need-based aid. It really all depends on the individual situation.

Ivies I know do not consider home equity on a primary residence. They also do not consider retirement accounts. Even with a $2M+ asset, I pay significantly less than what San Jose State University would cost.

So you have an income that is low relative to your assets. I don't think that's typical.

I am considered high income for CA schools, $140000. Relatively low income for ivies. Full pay for CA schools. Significant FA at an ivy.

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Anonymous wrote:So the DCUM top engineering school, VTech, is only #30, same as UVA who is supposed to be bad at engineering?

Well, Computer Science is part of the college of engineering at some schools, but not necessarily "engineering."

Can we please not turn this into a debate about UVA in some way? Is that possible?

Many universities have Computer Science under the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology which is why they are in the engineering department.

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Most employers don't care about Ivies where it comes to Computer Science.

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Anonymous wrote:Most employers don't care about Ivies where it comes to Computer Science.

Not according to all the evidence posted in this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Most employers don't care about Ivies where it comes to Computer Science.

Are you an ivy grad or has a kid in an ivy? Unless this review is from your personal experience, it's meaningless.

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Think of CS jobs as a spectrum.. On the more "cool" and difficult end are the hard core programming jobs, the ones that create software like salesforce, facebook or google's own algorithms, building a web browser, etc. On the other end of the spectrum are Information systems jobs that take these tools and apply them to business situations (implementing salesforce, custom code to build business websites, etc.).

The first category of jobs are fewer in number and pay a lot more in the long run and most of the hires come disproportionately from top CS schools. The latter kind (IS jobs) draw heavily from the lower ranked schools and bootcamps and pay less than pure CS jobs. There are also a lot more of these jobs.

Net result? The majority of CMU CS grads will end up with hardcore CS jobs that pay 20-50% more (total comp) while the majority of UVA CS grads will end up working at IS jobs (think Accenture, BAH, etc.).

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Anonymous wrote:Think of CS jobs as a spectrum.. On the more "cool" and difficult end are the hard core programming jobs, the ones that create software like salesforce, facebook or google's own algorithms, building a web browser, etc. On the other end of the spectrum are Information systems jobs that take these tools and apply them to business situations (implementing salesforce, custom code to build business websites, etc.).

The first category of jobs are fewer in number and pay a lot more in the long run and most of the hires come disproportionately from top CS schools. The latter kind (IS jobs) draw heavily from the lower ranked schools and bootcamps and pay less than pure CS jobs. There are also a lot more of these jobs.

Net result? The majority of CMU CS grads will end up with hardcore CS jobs that pay 20-50% more (total comp) while the majority of UVA CS grads will end up working at IS jobs (think Accenture, BAH, etc.).

Just wondering if the IS types tend to end up in upper management or on the partner track which increases their earnings tremendously while the hard core programmers will stay in the same job unless they work for start ups that have high earning potential.

A friend who is an no name school IS graduate loves to point out that those hardcore elite school CS graduates all work for him. He with his management chops gets to call the shots.