wait list movement

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Anyone hear from UNC CH? I am sure its a long shot but dc would jump if given an offer of admission off of the waitlist.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe that anyone is wringing their hands over not being admitted to VT if they were admitted to Stanford.

Um really? The cost???

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Anonymous wrote:One or two doesn't begin to make a dent in these waitlists. VT waitlisted 15,000 kids. How many got off of that waitlist? Does anyone know? I doubt they'll ever say the honest truth. Waitlists were used to imply hope and all they did was deceive students into thinking they had a chance. USA Today did a great article on it this week.

This is silly. These stats are reported on the colleges' common data sets every year. For admission in Fall 2020, VT offered a place on the waiting list to 10,800 students, 6990 accepted a spot on the waiting list, and ultimately 3959 were admitted (57%).

The stats for Fall 2021 will be reported out next year, so you can satisfy your curiosity then.

VT hasn't been transparent at all this application season. And are they going to report how many people deferred their admission and how that impacted this years stats. You obviously don't know what this has been like for students applying to VT this year. There is not way they took 4000 kids this year off the waitlist. No way! When those numbers do come out you're going to see maybe they offered 200-300 kids a spot and I guarantee many are OOS. The admissions department at VT has changed admissions so much. I won't go into further detail, but being in Northern Virginia high schools doesn't help you much at all. It's ridiculous and I can see why this person wanted to know the stats.

I get that you're exercised about this, but the point above still stands: VT will report out its most recent waitlist data on its common data set as it does every year. They will not, as PP charged above, bury this info like it's some dirty, shameful secret.

These hysterical claims that colleges haven't been transparent, that things have been completely upended, that we don't know how terrible this has been....I have a high school senior, so I'm not just an outside observer. But I also think what's being missed here is that colleges themselves didn't know what was happening and so there isnt a way to be transparent. They didn't know whether their normal yield rates would hold, so didn't know how many students to admit. They didn't know whether they'd still be worrying about covid in September 2021, and whether they'd have another big chunk of freshmen deferring. This is not some grand scheme to screw their applicants.

If you are so sure that VT isn't taking anybody off the waitlist this year, then stop waiting on them! Pick a different school. This was a bizarre, anomalous year in every way, but being on the waitlist has always sucked and has always been an exercise in frustration for most kids. Just put an end to the suffering: Tell your kid it's time to pick a college and move on.

I am not sure what exercised means in the context above. But comparing VT to many other colleges they haven't been very forthcoming with their stats this year. I'm interested to see OOS versus in state. I'm off the Hokie train either way. Taking so many OOS engineering kids and putting 15,000 kids on a waitlist was just a slap in the face to in state kids with high stats. My only advice to any rising senior who wants to go to VT next year is to apply ED. It's really the only assurance that you have a chance. And I am sure the poster's child picked another college as VT told all of their waitlist this past week that it was closed. My friend's child got on the waitlist to VT with a 4.7 and a 1580 SAT. Telling him to go to a community college if he was still interested in the VT path (knowing full well that he wouldn't be able to touch the engineering school) was difficult. But, he got into UVA, W&M, and Stanford so he has choices. Not sure what VT is doing, but I for one agree in that i cannot wait to see their stats this year. If they do release them.

You're just repeating the same nonsense over and over. As has already been discussed, VT has been as forthcoming about the WL as they always are. You've provided no proof that they are providing less info than most other schools have. And it's a mystery how you think they haven't provided details and yet you know so much about IS vs OOS admission to the engineering program. Plus, if you are correct that they have now announced that they are done pulling from the waitlist, then the drama is over and people can move on. If your biggest concern is for your "friend's kid" who was so insulted by VT and now has to go to UVA or Stanford instead, well I think things will be ok for him and you shouldn't worry so much. PPs have already noted that the big lesson to take here for next year is apply ED if you want VT, so glad you have at least taken note of that.

Okay, we get it. You got into Tech or you work in admissions. Move along.....

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So, I still don’t have a sense for how much the WL are moving. Are they moving a lot? Is there minimal movement and that’s just how it’s going to be? Are they really waiting to see what will happen with International students? How long could they possibly wait?

I feel clueless as to how all this is rolling out.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I still don’t have a sense for how much the WL are moving. Are they moving a lot? Is there minimal movement and that’s just how it’s going to be? Are they really waiting to see what will happen with International students? How long could they possibly wait?

I feel clueless as to how all this is rolling out.

I'm with you. Completely confused.

At this point, we're basically giving up hope b/c it seems like if there were going to be significant waitlist movement, there would be indications by now. (That was certainly the case last year by this time.) Seems like the lack of waitlist movement is just another blow to the class of 2025. Fewer spots at all schools (thanks to last year's deferrals) and less consistency in admissions (so, kids who might have gotten into 3 top schools in the past either didn't get into any of their top tier...or got into 1 that they jumped on). All that means that kids said yes and phew to whatever their options were in early May and that froze the board.

Another bummer for this class.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I still don’t have a sense for how much the WL are moving. Are they moving a lot? Is there minimal movement and that’s just how it’s going to be? Are they really waiting to see what will happen with International students? How long could they possibly wait?

I feel clueless as to how all this is rolling out.

I'm with you. Completely confused.

At this point, we're basically giving up hope b/c it seems like if there were going to be significant waitlist movement, there would be indications by now. (That was certainly the case last year by this time.) Seems like the lack of waitlist movement is just another blow to the class of 2025. Fewer spots at all schools (thanks to last year's deferrals) and less consistency in admissions (so, kids who might have gotten into 3 top schools in the past either didn't get into any of their top tier...or got into 1 that they jumped on). All that means that kids said yes and phew to whatever their options were in early May and that froze the board.

Another bummer for this class.

I hope you’re wrong, but suspecting you are correct. I think my DC is coming to terms with this, but holding out some hope. At this point I’d rather we all be realistic. The schools could help by not stringing kids along.

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+1 I had also expected to see the beginning of a "summer melt" in the waitlists by now, if not a full blown summer melt. There will probably be almost no movement off the WL for the T15 schools, unless the international students have problems getting their visas, and even then, the AOs will not take very many from WL to replace them because of the higher yields overall. TO resulted in higher yields, and gap years taken by the class of 2020 resulted in fewer available slots overall for the class of 2021. This means that there will also be not much WL movement in the T16-T50 schools, which would have been affected by T15 WL movement.

The NCAC list does have a few relatively high profile schools on it, but those spots are going to be filled up soon.

Taking a gap year and trying to compete with the class of 2022 is not very attractive either because about half of that class will have had in-person classes, sports and activities whereas DMV DCs didn't.

Best advice is what PPs have said, for DCs to get comfortable with the choices they do have, and move on with life, such as it is.

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Our DC’s guidance counselor told DC it could be months and it’s okay to hold out hope.

I don’t know if she is saying that to just soften the blow or if she truly believes it.

Let’s face it: After school ends counselors don’t really have to deal with the kids anymore. It’s cynical, but maybe she just doesn’t want to deal with the disappointment kids are experiencing at this moment. It’s easy to send them on their way out of HS with hope. Then if it doesn’t happen, it doesn’t happen. They don’t have to deal with the ultimate outcome; they are already gone.

I just have a hard time believing it could take months. Maybe a few kids will get lucky down the road, but I don’t think a dam will break and suddenly kids will have a reasonable chance. Again, I could be wrong. I’m not an expert. Maybe I am too pessimistic.

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Anonymous wrote:Our DC’s guidance counselor told DC it could be months and it’s okay to hold out hope.

I don’t know if she is saying that to just soften the blow or if she truly believes it.

Let’s face it: After school ends counselors don’t really have to deal with the kids anymore. It’s cynical, but maybe she just doesn’t want to deal with the disappointment kids are experiencing at this moment. It’s easy to send them on their way out of HS with hope. Then if it doesn’t happen, it doesn’t happen. They don’t have to deal with the ultimate outcome; they are already gone.

I just have a hard time believing it could take months. Maybe a few kids will get lucky down the road, but I don’t think a dam will break and suddenly kids will have a reasonable chance. Again, I could be wrong. I’m not an expert. Maybe I am too pessimistic.

This. At first I -did- think a dam would break but now, unfortunately, I don't. It makes me very sad. A neighbor's son has been shut out of all of the schools on his list and it breaks my heart. He is a great kid applying in a tough year. Even his "safeties" or whatever they are called now either flat out denied him or waitlisted him. We have been so hopeful for him but I think it just isn't going to happen. And it is sad. The 2021 kids have really had some tough breaks.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I still don’t have a sense for how much the WL are moving. Are they moving a lot? Is there minimal movement and that’s just how it’s going to be? Are they really waiting to see what will happen with International students? How long could they possibly wait?

I feel clueless as to how all this is rolling out.

Seems minimal, especially after WL movement was predicted to be high because kids applied to so many more schools this cycle and can only go to one- guess those same mass appliers only got in a few and not accepting a space was just factored into yield and did nothing to open up WL spaces. Very, very little WL movement and many schools are saying that they are done. Kids had their hopes up- but WL is just a soft rejection. Maybe visa issues later in the summer with international students wioo open a few more spaces- but that will just be a small trickle down. WL is dead. Sorry kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Our DC’s guidance counselor told DC it could be months and it’s okay to hold out hope.

I don’t know if she is saying that to just soften the blow or if she truly believes it.

Let’s face it: After school ends counselors don’t really have to deal with the kids anymore. It’s cynical, but maybe she just doesn’t want to deal with the disappointment kids are experiencing at this moment. It’s easy to send them on their way out of HS with hope. Then if it doesn’t happen, it doesn’t happen. They don’t have to deal with the ultimate outcome; they are already gone.

I just have a hard time believing it could take months. Maybe a few kids will get lucky down the road, but I don’t think a dam will break and suddenly kids will have a reasonable chance. Again, I could be wrong. I’m not an expert. Maybe I am too pessimistic.

This. At first I -did- think a dam would break but now, unfortunately, I don't. It makes me very sad. A neighbor's son has been shut out of all of the schools on his list and it breaks my heart. He is a great kid applying in a tough year. Even his "safeties" or whatever they are called now either flat out denied him or waitlisted him. We have been so hopeful for him but I think it just isn't going to happen. And it is sad. The 2021 kids have really had some tough breaks.

What is he going to do?

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I have not heard of a single wait list admission to date for anyone.

It seems that there should be more movement because we know many kids with multiple desirable admissions, and yet the waitlists are paralyzed.

I know a few poor test-taker kids with otherwise exceptional resumes who received multiple offers this year. I know a few excellent students with otherwise unimpressive resumes who only received admissions to safeties or worse. I know a few excellent students with strong resumes who were admitted to multiple top desirable colleges. In short, everyone I know who was admitted to at least one Ivy(+) school was admitted to several, and same for top out of state flagships. Therefore, it seems that some WL movement should be happening... But it is not

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Anonymous wrote:One or two doesn't begin to make a dent in these waitlists. VT waitlisted 15,000 kids. How many got off of that waitlist? Does anyone know? I doubt they'll ever say the honest truth. Waitlists were used to imply hope and all they did was deceive students into thinking they had a chance. USA Today did a great article on it this week.

This is silly. These stats are reported on the colleges' common data sets every year. For admission in Fall 2020, VT offered a place on the waiting list to 10,800 students, 6990 accepted a spot on the waiting list, and ultimately 3959 were admitted (57%).

The stats for Fall 2021 will be reported out next year, so you can satisfy your curiosity then.

VT hasn't been transparent at all this application season. And are they going to report how many people deferred their admission and how that impacted this years stats. You obviously don't know what this has been like for students applying to VT this year. There is not way they took 4000 kids this year off the waitlist. No way! When those numbers do come out you're going to see maybe they offered 200-300 kids a spot and I guarantee many are OOS. The admissions department at VT has changed admissions so much. I won't go into further detail, but being in Northern Virginia high schools doesn't help you much at all. It's ridiculous and I can see why this person wanted to know the stats.

I get that you're exercised about this, but the point above still stands: VT will report out its most recent waitlist data on its common data set as it does every year. They will not, as PP charged above, bury this info like it's some dirty, shameful secret.

These hysterical claims that colleges haven't been transparent, that things have been completely upended, that we don't know how terrible this has been....I have a high school senior, so I'm not just an outside observer. But I also think what's being missed here is that colleges themselves didn't know what was happening and so there isnt a way to be transparent. They didn't know whether their normal yield rates would hold, so didn't know how many students to admit. They didn't know whether they'd still be worrying about covid in September 2021, and whether they'd have another big chunk of freshmen deferring. This is not some grand scheme to screw their applicants.

If you are so sure that VT isn't taking anybody off the waitlist this year, then stop waiting on them! Pick a different school. This was a bizarre, anomalous year in every way, but being on the waitlist has always sucked and has always been an exercise in frustration for most kids. Just put an end to the suffering: Tell your kid it's time to pick a college and move on.

I am not sure what exercised means in the context above. But comparing VT to many other colleges they haven't been very forthcoming with their stats this year. I'm interested to see OOS versus in state. I'm off the Hokie train either way. Taking so many OOS engineering kids and putting 15,000 kids on a waitlist was just a slap in the face to in state kids with high stats. My only advice to any rising senior who wants to go to VT next year is to apply ED. It's really the only assurance that you have a chance. And I am sure the poster's child picked another college as VT told all of their waitlist this past week that it was closed. My friend's child got on the waitlist to VT with a 4.7 and a 1580 SAT. Telling him to go to a community college if he was still interested in the VT path (knowing full well that he wouldn't be able to touch the engineering school) was difficult. But, he got into UVA, W&M, and Stanford so he has choices. Not sure what VT is doing, but I for one agree in that i cannot wait to see their stats this year. If they do release them.

You're just repeating the same nonsense over and over. As has already been discussed, VT has been as forthcoming about the WL as they always are. You've provided no proof that they are providing less info than most other schools have. And it's a mystery how you think they haven't provided details and yet you know so much about IS vs OOS admission to the engineering program. Plus, if you are correct that they have now announced that they are done pulling from the waitlist, then the drama is over and people can move on. If your biggest concern is for your "friend's kid" who was so insulted by VT and now has to go to UVA or Stanford instead, well I think things will be ok for him and you shouldn't worry so much. PPs have already noted that the big lesson to take here for next year is apply ED if you want VT, so glad you have at least taken note of that.

Okay, we get it. You got into Tech or you work in admissions. Move along.....

You don’t get it- the problem is many high stat kids applied ED and still were waitlisted.

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Over on Reddit thread kids are saying MIT had WL movement. Not sure how truthful posts are, but same goes for here.

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Anonymous wrote:Our DC’s guidance counselor told DC it could be months and it’s okay to hold out hope.

I don’t know if she is saying that to just soften the blow or if she truly believes it.

Let’s face it: After school ends counselors don’t really have to deal with the kids anymore. It’s cynical, but maybe she just doesn’t want to deal with the disappointment kids are experiencing at this moment. It’s easy to send them on their way out of HS with hope. Then if it doesn’t happen, it doesn’t happen. They don’t have to deal with the ultimate outcome; they are already gone.

I just have a hard time believing it could take months. Maybe a few kids will get lucky down the road, but I don’t think a dam will break and suddenly kids will have a reasonable chance. Again, I could be wrong. I’m not an expert. Maybe I am too pessimistic.

This. At first I -did- think a dam would break but now, unfortunately, I don't. It makes me very sad. A neighbor's son has been shut out of all of the schools on his list and it breaks my heart. He is a great kid applying in a tough year. Even his "safeties" or whatever they are called now either flat out denied him or waitlisted him. We have been so hopeful for him but I think it just isn't going to happen. And it is sad. The 2021 kids have really had some tough breaks.

What is he going to do?

He is going to take a gap year. His choice was community college (we're in NoVa so NOVA is a great option) or work, and he chose work. My husband, his dad and a couple other parents are working together to get a series of jobs lined up (not internships but kinda like) and he will do a 3-month mini-Mission associated with our church. Then he will reapply next year.

He has great SATs, not much to really improve upon because it is 1500+, good APs, good grades, etc. But it is like every school took a look at him said "male, white, UMC = privileged" and unchecked his box. Before everyone screams I will tell you that we are a multi-racial family ourselves so I feel pretty comfortable calling out the racism that I see being used against him.

Anyway, he will survive and he will succeed. But it is a hard lesson for him to learn and us to watch.