wait list movement

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Anonymous wrote:One or two doesn't begin to make a dent in these waitlists. VT waitlisted 15,000 kids. How many got off of that waitlist? Does anyone know? I doubt they'll ever say the honest truth. Waitlists were used to imply hope and all they did was deceive students into thinking they had a chance. USA Today did a great article on it this week.

This is silly. These stats are reported on the colleges' common data sets every year. For admission in Fall 2020, VT offered a place on the waiting list to 10,800 students, 6990 accepted a spot on the waiting list, and ultimately 3959 were admitted (57%).

The stats for Fall 2021 will be reported out next year, so you can satisfy your curiosity then.

VT hasn't been transparent at all this application season. And are they going to report how many people deferred their admission and how that impacted this years stats. You obviously don't know what this has been like for students applying to VT this year. There is not way they took 4000 kids this year off the waitlist. No way! When those numbers do come out you're going to see maybe they offered 200-300 kids a spot and I guarantee many are OOS. The admissions department at VT has changed admissions so much. I won't go into further detail, but being in Northern Virginia high schools doesn't help you much at all. It's ridiculous and I can see why this person wanted to know the stats.

I get that you're exercised about this, but the point above still stands: VT will report out its most recent waitlist data on its common data set as it does every year. They will not, as PP charged above, bury this info like it's some dirty, shameful secret.

These hysterical claims that colleges haven't been transparent, that things have been completely upended, that we don't know how terrible this has been....I have a high school senior, so I'm not just an outside observer. But I also think what's being missed here is that colleges themselves didn't know what was happening and so there isnt a way to be transparent. They didn't know whether their normal yield rates would hold, so didn't know how many students to admit. They didn't know whether they'd still be worrying about covid in September 2021, and whether they'd have another big chunk of freshmen deferring. This is not some grand scheme to screw their applicants.

If you are so sure that VT isn't taking anybody off the waitlist this year, then stop waiting on them! Pick a different school. This was a bizarre, anomalous year in every way, but being on the waitlist has always sucked and has always been an exercise in frustration for most kids. Just put an end to the suffering: Tell your kid it's time to pick a college and move on.

I am not sure what exercised means in the context above. But comparing VT to many other colleges they haven't been very forthcoming with their stats this year. I'm interested to see OOS versus in state. I'm off the Hokie train either way. Taking so many OOS engineering kids and putting 15,000 kids on a waitlist was just a slap in the face to in state kids with high stats. My only advice to any rising senior who wants to go to VT next year is to apply ED. It's really the only assurance that you have a chance. And I am sure the poster's child picked another college as VT told all of their waitlist this past week that it was closed. My friend's child got on the waitlist to VT with a 4.7 and a 1580 SAT. Telling him to go to a community college if he was still interested in the VT path (knowing full well that he wouldn't be able to touch the engineering school) was difficult. But, he got into UVA, W&M, and Stanford so he has choices. Not sure what VT is doing, but I for one agree in that i cannot wait to see their stats this year. If they do release them.

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I can't believe that anyone is wringing their hands over not being admitted to VT if they were admitted to Stanford.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe that anyone is wringing their hands over not being admitted to VT if they were admitted to Stanford.

well it is obviously in state for the person mentioned above and dirty cheap, some people really do count of VA Tech for the top engineering at in state prices. Whether or not he would have gone, who knows, but that is what makes it attractive. And before you start on UVA and W&M also being in state, it's WELL under the cost of both.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe that anyone is wringing their hands over not being admitted to VT if they were admitted to Stanford.

well it is obviously in state for the person mentioned above and dirty cheap, some people really do count of VA Tech for the top engineering at in state prices. Whether or not he would have gone, who knows, but that is what makes it attractive. And before you start on UVA and W&M also being in state, it's WELL under the cost of both.

Seriously, the added cost of going to Stanford for four years from this area is huge for many people.

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Not doubting your sincerity. But a better way to help URM students is to give your noble efforts earlier. While kids are still in grade schools, form study groups with URM kids, discuss and review class materials together, remind each other to submit home work in time and help out and support each other. Not at the competition time. You can't give an URM contestant the prize after a Jeopardy game just by saying he/she should have the prize because he/she comes from an URM family. Don't you feel that would be insulting?

You know what's insulting?

Reducing students' worth to GPAs and test scores.
Assuming that kids need some sort of White Knight to hover over their every move.
Claiming that admission to a college is a "prize" that has always gone to the most virtuous.
Thinking that well-intentioned in other fields know best how to address the opportunity gap in American education.

Oh you mean like every other country and all professional certifications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DS got email saying on extended waitlist until 6/30—-Georgetown.

What does “extended waitlist” even mean?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One or two doesn't begin to make a dent in these waitlists. VT waitlisted 15,000 kids. How many got off of that waitlist? Does anyone know? I doubt they'll ever say the honest truth. Waitlists were used to imply hope and all they did was deceive students into thinking they had a chance. USA Today did a great article on it this week.

This is silly. These stats are reported on the colleges' common data sets every year. For admission in Fall 2020, VT offered a place on the waiting list to 10,800 students, 6990 accepted a spot on the waiting list, and ultimately 3959 were admitted (57%).

The stats for Fall 2021 will be reported out next year, so you can satisfy your curiosity then.

VT hasn't been transparent at all this application season. And are they going to report how many people deferred their admission and how that impacted this years stats. You obviously don't know what this has been like for students applying to VT this year. There is not way they took 4000 kids this year off the waitlist. No way! When those numbers do come out you're going to see maybe they offered 200-300 kids a spot and I guarantee many are OOS. The admissions department at VT has changed admissions so much. I won't go into further detail, but being in Northern Virginia high schools doesn't help you much at all. It's ridiculous and I can see why this person wanted to know the stats.

I get that you're exercised about this, but the point above still stands: VT will report out its most recent waitlist data on its common data set as it does every year. They will not, as PP charged above, bury this info like it's some dirty, shameful secret.

These hysterical claims that colleges haven't been transparent, that things have been completely upended, that we don't know how terrible this has been....I have a high school senior, so I'm not just an outside observer. But I also think what's being missed here is that colleges themselves didn't know what was happening and so there isnt a way to be transparent. They didn't know whether their normal yield rates would hold, so didn't know how many students to admit. They didn't know whether they'd still be worrying about covid in September 2021, and whether they'd have another big chunk of freshmen deferring. This is not some grand scheme to screw their applicants.

If you are so sure that VT isn't taking anybody off the waitlist this year, then stop waiting on them! Pick a different school. This was a bizarre, anomalous year in every way, but being on the waitlist has always sucked and has always been an exercise in frustration for most kids. Just put an end to the suffering: Tell your kid it's time to pick a college and move on.

I am not sure what exercised means in the context above. But comparing VT to many other colleges they haven't been very forthcoming with their stats this year. I'm interested to see OOS versus in state. I'm off the Hokie train either way. Taking so many OOS engineering kids and putting 15,000 kids on a waitlist was just a slap in the face to in state kids with high stats. My only advice to any rising senior who wants to go to VT next year is to apply ED. It's really the only assurance that you have a chance. And I am sure the poster's child picked another college as VT told all of their waitlist this past week that it was closed. My friend's child got on the waitlist to VT with a 4.7 and a 1580 SAT. Telling him to go to a community college if he was still interested in the VT path (knowing full well that he wouldn't be able to touch the engineering school) was difficult. But, he got into UVA, W&M, and Stanford so he has choices. Not sure what VT is doing, but I for one agree in that i cannot wait to see their stats this year. If they do release them.

You're just repeating the same nonsense over and over. As has already been discussed, VT has been as forthcoming about the WL as they always are. You've provided no proof that they are providing less info than most other schools have. And it's a mystery how you think they haven't provided details and yet you know so much about IS vs OOS admission to the engineering program. Plus, if you are correct that they have now announced that they are done pulling from the waitlist, then the drama is over and people can move on. If your biggest concern is for your "friend's kid" who was so insulted by VT and now has to go to UVA or Stanford instead, well I think things will be ok for him and you shouldn't worry so much. PPs have already noted that the big lesson to take here for next year is apply ED if you want VT, so glad you have at least taken note of that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe that anyone is wringing their hands over not being admitted to VT if they were admitted to Stanford.

well it is obviously in state for the person mentioned above and dirty cheap, some people really do count of VA Tech for the top engineering at in state prices. Whether or not he would have gone, who knows, but that is what makes it attractive. And before you start on UVA and W&M also being in state, it's WELL under the cost of both.

Seriously, the added cost of going to Stanford for four years from this area is huge for many people.

Stanford is likely one of the most generous need-based schools. So a significant net difference in price between Stanford and in-state VT is likely just for the tippy-top donut families. I think the Stanford graduate's ROI will make up for it for that family.

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I think we'll see VT denied or waitlisted many high stat kids because they know those students will have other attractive options, and likely using VT as a safety. They likely chose kids with slightly lower stats that would attend, which plays to VT's favor in the US News ranking game. I agree that going forward, if you want VT, you'll have to apply ED.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we'll see VT denied or waitlisted many high stat kids because they know those students will have other attractive options, and likely using VT as a safety. They likely chose kids with slightly lower stats that would attend, which plays to VT's favor in the US News ranking game. I agree that going forward, if you want VT, you'll have to apply ED.

You're not likely to see evidence of this though because colleges report the stats of enrolled freshmen, not the stats of waitlisted or denied students. You'll be able to see what happened with the sample of students from your high school on naviance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think we'll see VT denied or waitlisted many high stat kids because they know those students will have other attractive options, and likely using VT as a safety. They likely chose kids with slightly lower stats that would attend, which plays to VT's favor in the US News ranking game. I agree that going forward, if you want VT, you'll have to apply ED.

You're not likely to see evidence of this though because colleges report the stats of enrolled freshmen, not the stats of waitlisted or denied students. You'll be able to see what happened with the sample of students from your high school on naviance.

Waitlisted student stats are reported in the common data set

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Anonymous wrote:I think we'll see VT denied or waitlisted many high stat kids because they know those students will have other attractive options, and likely using VT as a safety. They likely chose kids with slightly lower stats that would attend, which plays to VT's favor in the US News ranking game. I agree that going forward, if you want VT, you'll have to apply ED.

You're not likely to see evidence of this though because colleges report the stats of enrolled freshmen, not the stats of waitlisted or denied students. You'll be able to see what happened with the sample of students from your high school on naviance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think we'll see VT denied or waitlisted many high stat kids because they know those students will have other attractive options, and likely using VT as a safety. They likely chose kids with slightly lower stats that would attend, which plays to VT's favor in the US News ranking game. I agree that going forward, if you want VT, you'll have to apply ED.

You're not likely to see evidence of this though because colleges report the stats of enrolled freshmen, not the stats of waitlisted or denied students. You'll be able to see what happened with the sample of students from your high school on naviance.

Waitlisted student stats are reported in the common data set

But not their test scores or GPA.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we'll see VT denied or waitlisted many high stat kids because they know those students will have other attractive options, and likely using VT as a safety. They likely chose kids with slightly lower stats that would attend, which plays to VT's favor in the US News ranking game. I agree that going forward, if you want VT, you'll have to apply ED.

Please explain how you think we will "see" this.

[Anonymous]

Are we just ignoring the fact that VT admissions have been a mess for years? One year they under admit, then they waaay over admit....Their inability to dial in their yield, even pre-covid, may be what made them lean on ED and wait lists, but let’s not pretend that they know what they’re doing. (FWIW, my DC didn’t apply to VT, so this isn’t personal.)