The Karen meme silences White women

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Entitled white women could stand to be silenced.

Cool. The next time I hear that black people need white allies, I’ll say f<>k you and the horse you rode in on.

Precisely. This is exactly why I power washed the deck today instead of protesting. OP has a perfectly valid point but it’s not THEIR point so it doesn’t count, and worse, they think she deserves to be bullied over it

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Middle aged white women have been hated since forever.

The only social currency white women have is their sexual attraction to men. When that goes, society wants to push them off on an ice flow. Since we can't do that, we tell them to STFU and stand quietly in the corner where their aging body and appearance won't offend anyone's eyeballs.

Tell me I'm wrong.

+1
This is it.

Yes

You are wrong.

This is absolutely true if all you are good at is "being a woman," or if that is all you care about being judged in terms of, for social currency.

If you are good at journalism (Cokie Roberts), practicing medicine (Lee Beers), writing poetry (Mary Oliver), animal management (Temple Grandin), acting (so many: Judi Dench, Tilda Swinton, Cate Blanchett), mathematics (Mary Lucy Cartwright), and so on and so forth -- yes, there is discrimination, but many people care very much about what you have to do and say.

But after a certain age, you do have to bring more to the table than just "being a woman." That's true.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA "And so forth"?? You describe EIGHT middle aged white women in all of history, and THAT'S ENOUGH FOR YOU???

How many examples do you want?

It's not easy, that's true. You actually have to do something of value. Lots of women do. You should, too.

DP. I didn't realize people still believed meritocracy was a thing. I'm not suggesting that Cate Blanchett doesn't deserve to be recognized or whatnot, but women who are still considered relevant in middle age and up are both rare and privileged.

Depends on what you mean by rare. As someone noted above, there are many middle-aged female judges. There are also plenty of female physicians, and professors, and accountants. I wouldn't call it rare. I'd also like to see more, but that is difference from saying women are irrelevant.

Most middle aged women of all ethnicities are the ones taking care of the kids and aging parents while the (mostly) white men float to the top of their little fishbowls like lardy turds.

Absolutely true, and it shouldn't be so. But for many, many women, they are expected to do that was well as perform all the other duties and responsibilities for which they are valued, too.

Don't diminish other women's accomplishments to make yourself feel better. Don't do that.

LOL. You didn't get it. I am not putting down accomplished women who have made it to the top, and of course I am not saying women are irrelevant. I'm an architect, and in my profession very few women make it to the top. Most people can name one woman architect, if that. It doesn't mean that other women aren't working their asses off without recognition. If anything, I would say that you're the one putting down women by assuming that if they're not at the top then they don't belong there. I will reiterate that it's not a meritocracy.

Nope. I'm saying that if someone is whinging in hyperbole about how absolutely -- and without any exceptions to the contrary -- terrible, terrible, terrible middle-aged white women have it right now, they are both clueless and wrong. It's not helpful. It also isn't true. The fact that middle-aged white women have it worse than middle-aged men is certainly accurate, and a better starting point for change, and not the conversation to have right now.

Also, if someone says something wrong, and then literally says "Tell me I'm wrong," then they shouldn't be surprised. Please. That's painful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Middle aged white women have been hated since forever.

The only social currency white women have is their sexual attraction to men. When that goes, society wants to push them off on an ice flow. Since we can't do that, we tell them to STFU and stand quietly in the corner where their aging body and appearance won't offend anyone's eyeballs.

Tell me I'm wrong.

+1
This is it.

Yes

You are wrong.

This is absolutely true if all you are good at is "being a woman," or if that is all you care about being judged in terms of, for social currency.

If you are good at journalism (Cokie Roberts), practicing medicine (Lee Beers), writing poetry (Mary Oliver), animal management (Temple Grandin), acting (so many: Judi Dench, Tilda Swinton, Cate Blanchett), mathematics (Mary Lucy Cartwright), and so on and so forth -- yes, there is discrimination, but many people care very much about what you have to do and say.

But after a certain age, you do have to bring more to the table than just "being a woman." That's true.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA "And so forth"?? You describe EIGHT middle aged white women in all of history, and THAT'S ENOUGH FOR YOU???

How many examples do you want?

It's not easy, that's true. You actually have to do something of value. Lots of women do. You should, too.

NP.


**pause**

There is a HUGE difference between social currency and value contribution. You are talking about valuable contributions vs the social currency demonstrated through institutionalize norms.

That’s all. Carry on.

[Anonymous]

Okay. So what's your working definition of "social currency," if that is what you think should be the focus?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Entitled white women could stand to be silenced.

Cool. The next time I hear that black people need white allies, I’ll say f<>k you and the horse you rode in on.

Precisely. This is exactly why I power washed the deck today instead of protesting. OP has a perfectly valid point but it’s not THEIR point so it doesn’t count, and worse, they think she deserves to be bullied over it

You were NEVER going to protest. You were NEVER an ally. And your NEVER cared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the OP, not a troll. And an example of when I might have spoken in the past but did not recently. I ordered curbside pick up from a local smoothie shop a few weeks ago, before we were in phase 1 opening, the restaurant was advertising curbside Pick-up. I ordered my smoothie online, however, When I drove to the shop to pick it up there are a line of people inside the store to order and a line waiting (Inside as well) at the counter to pick up their smoothies. A year ago if this happened, pre-Karen meme, I would have said something along the lines of aren’t we supposed to be doing curbside? Why is everybody in the store? This time I just walked away.

You would have been wrong to say something. It's a pandemic. Everyone is Just. Doing. The. Best. They. CAN! I'm white, and hell, my name actually IS Karen, and my stance is that these days I'm giving everyone a lot more space. Space to be a little over-sensitive, space to make social mistakes, etc. We're all just doing the best we can. If I'd been you, I'd have just waited in my car for the curbside delivery. Listen to some music, chill out, and wait. SO MUCH is going on right now - do you want to add to the difficulties or add to the pleasant interactions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Entitled white women could stand to be silenced.

Cool. The next time I hear that black people need white allies, I’ll say f<>k you and the horse you rode in on.

Precisely. This is exactly why I power washed the deck today instead of protesting. OP has a perfectly valid point but it’s not THEIR point so it doesn’t count, and worse, they think she deserves to be bullied over it

You were NEVER going to protest. You were NEVER an ally. And your NEVER cared.

Do we have to care? Is it a requirement? Especially when white people are being painted as the villains who now must all bow down and apologize when most of them have done nothing wrong. Maybe people have other issues to deal with in their lives like cancer, or unemployment or special needs children. And come off your high horse. You won’t care anymore in two weeks either when the protests have died down and something else has replaced it as the fashionable issue for SJWs to wring their hands over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Entitled white women could stand to be silenced.

Cool. The next time I hear that black people need white allies, I’ll say f<>k you and the horse you rode in on.

Precisely. This is exactly why I power washed the deck today instead of protesting. OP has a perfectly valid point but it’s not THEIR point so it doesn’t count, and worse, they think she deserves to be bullied over it

You were NEVER going to protest. You were NEVER an ally. And your NEVER cared.

Do we have to care? Is it a requirement? Especially when white people are being painted as the villains who now must all bow down and apologize when most of them have done nothing wrong. Maybe people have other issues to deal with in their lives like cancer, or unemployment or special needs children. And come off your high horse. You won’t care anymore in two weeks either when the protests have died down and something else has replaced it as the fashionable issue for SJWs to wring their hands over.

At this point most of the protests are white. Its very odd and absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Entitled white women could stand to be silenced.

Cool. The next time I hear that black people need white allies, I’ll say f<>k you and the horse you rode in on.

Precisely. This is exactly why I power washed the deck today instead of protesting. OP has a perfectly valid point but it’s not THEIR point so it doesn’t count, and worse, they think she deserves to be bullied over it

You were NEVER going to protest. You were NEVER an ally. And your NEVER cared.

Oh come on. A lot of people probably have George Floyd/protest/outrage/COVID fatigue.

[Anonymous]

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Do we have to care? Is it a requirement? Especially when white people are being painted as the villains who now must all bow down and apologize when most of them have done nothing wrong. Maybe people have other issues to deal with in their lives like cancer, or unemployment or special needs children. And come off your high horse. You won’t care anymore in two weeks either when the protests have died down and something else has replaced it as the fashionable issue for SJWs to wring their hands over.

And the Lord said to Cain, "Where is Abel your brother? And he said, "I do not know: am I my brother's keeper?"

[Anonymous]

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Oh come on. A lot of people probably have George Floyd/protest/outrage/COVID fatigue.

George Floyd was just buried 2 days ago, and you already have George Floyd fatigue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Entitled white women could stand to be silenced.

Cool. The next time I hear that black people need white allies, I’ll say f<>k you and the horse you rode in on.

Precisely. This is exactly why I power washed the deck today instead of protesting. OP has a perfectly valid point but it’s not THEIR point so it doesn’t count, and worse, they think she deserves to be bullied over it

You were NEVER going to protest. You were NEVER an ally. And your NEVER cared.

Do we have to care? Is it a requirement? Especially when white people are being painted as the villains who now must all bow down and apologize when most of them have done nothing wrong. Maybe people have other issues to deal with in their lives like cancer, or unemployment or special needs children. And come off your high horse. You won’t care anymore in two weeks either when the protests have died down and something else has replaced it as the fashionable issue for SJWs to wring their hands over.

DP

Yeah, you kind of do. I mean, if your point was that you cared but this was the straw, that one comment made you turn around -- it matters if your whole initial framing of that construct was a lie.

I agree that for you, it probably was. So, sad, but not what you'd call a loss.

[Anonymous]

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Oh come on. A lot of people probably have George Floyd/protest/outrage/COVID fatigue.

George Floyd was just buried 2 days ago, and you already have George Floyd fatigue.

Not so much George himself, but the 24/7 bombardment on media and social media, the shaming, the outrage, the namecalling and finger pointing, and the silencing. And this is after 3 months of the same on the topic of COVID.

[Anonymous]

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Oh come on. A lot of people probably have George Floyd/protest/outrage/COVID fatigue.

George Floyd was just buried 2 days ago, and you already have George Floyd fatigue.

Not so much George himself, but the 24/7 bombardment on media and social media, the shaming, the outrage, the namecalling and finger pointing, and the silencing. And this is after 3 months of the same on the topic of COVID.

I understand that it might seem like months or maybe years to you, but the police officers killed George Floyd on May 25.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Middle aged white women have been hated since forever.

The only social currency white women have is their sexual attraction to men. When that goes, society wants to push them off on an ice flow. Since we can't do that, we tell them to STFU and stand quietly in the corner where their aging body and appearance won't offend anyone's eyeballs.

Tell me I'm wrong.

+1
This is it.

Yes

You are wrong.

This is absolutely true if all you are good at is "being a woman," or if that is all you care about being judged in terms of, for social currency.

If you are good at journalism (Cokie Roberts), practicing medicine (Lee Beers), writing poetry (Mary Oliver), animal management (Temple Grandin), acting (so many: Judi Dench, Tilda Swinton, Cate Blanchett), mathematics (Mary Lucy Cartwright), and so on and so forth -- yes, there is discrimination, but many people care very much about what you have to do and say.

But after a certain age, you do have to bring more to the table than just "being a woman." That's true.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA "And so forth"?? You describe EIGHT middle aged white women in all of history, and THAT'S ENOUGH FOR YOU???

How many examples do you want?

It's not easy, that's true. You actually have to do something of value. Lots of women do. You should, too.

DP. I didn't realize people still believed meritocracy was a thing. I'm not suggesting that Cate Blanchett doesn't deserve to be recognized or whatnot, but women who are still considered relevant in middle age and up are both rare and privileged.

Depends on what you mean by rare. As someone noted above, there are many middle-aged female judges. There are also plenty of female physicians, and professors, and accountants. I wouldn't call it rare. I'd also like to see more, but that is difference from saying women are irrelevant.

Most middle aged women of all ethnicities are the ones taking care of the kids and aging parents while the (mostly) white men float to the top of their little fishbowls like lardy turds.

Absolutely true, and it shouldn't be so. But for many, many women, they are expected to do that was well as perform all the other duties and responsibilities for which they are valued, too.

Don't diminish other women's accomplishments to make yourself feel better. Don't do that.

LOL. You didn't get it. I am not putting down accomplished women who have made it to the top, and of course I am not saying women are irrelevant. I'm an architect, and in my profession very few women make it to the top. Most people can name one woman architect, if that. It doesn't mean that other women aren't working their asses off without recognition. If anything, I would say that you're the one putting down women by assuming that if they're not at the top then they don't belong there. I will reiterate that it's not a meritocracy.

Nope. I'm saying that if someone is whinging in hyperbole about how absolutely -- and without any exceptions to the contrary -- terrible, terrible, terrible middle-aged white women have it right now, they are both clueless and wrong. It's not helpful. It also isn't true. The fact that middle-aged white women have it worse than middle-aged men is certainly accurate, and a better starting point for change, and not the conversation to have right now.

Also, if someone says something wrong, and then literally says "Tell me I'm wrong," then they shouldn't be surprised. Please. That's painful.

You're either being obtuse in your reading of the conversation or you're just the negging troll responding to many different posters. Clearly you don't speak for all middle aged women and you are not in control of when it's okay for them to speak about whatever conversation they wish to have. Go do something else besides troll.