The Karen meme silences White women

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many counterexamples do you need to show you that "The only social currency white women have is their sexual attraction to men" is not valid?

What's the line of proof, for you? How many?

Nine Justices

Supreme Court Justices?

You are aware that there are, well, female justices on the SCOTUS? Odd that they have "no social currency."

I guess if you want to redefine words, you can make any claim you want.

You're a troll.

You make hyperbolic claims, and they are wrong.

Don't say it if you don't want to be held accountable for it.

Do you really think you are talking to only one white woman here? Multiple women replied to you.

The person who said "only social currency" was using hyperbole, and all you could find to "win" an argument with her, and then us, was to bully on and on and on with your "ONLY?"" "prove it! I can disprove it! You're weak!" Shut up. Get on your bike and go shove some walkers off the trail.

It's not bullying other women to point out that there are successful women. And there are a lot of women who are valued in their middle age, and beyond.

Doesn't mean it isn't more difficult for them than men, and it doesn't mean it should be more difficult. But you (yes, you, and I mean you) shouldn't only value women and their accomplishments in only one narrow frame.

Other people don't, both men and women. You should do better.

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Anonymous wrote:Middle aged white women have been hated since forever.

The only social currency white women have is their sexual attraction to men. When that goes, society wants to push them off on an ice flow. Since we can't do that, we tell them to STFU and stand quietly in the corner where their aging body and appearance won't offend anyone's eyeballs.

Tell me I'm wrong.

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You are wrong.

This is absolutely true if all you are good at is "being a woman," or if that is all you care about being judged in terms of, for social currency.

If you are good at journalism (Cokie Roberts), practicing medicine (Lee Beers), writing poetry (Mary Oliver), animal management (Temple Grandin), acting (so many: Judi Dench, Tilda Swinton, Cate Blanchett), mathematics (Mary Lucy Cartwright), and so on and so forth -- yes, there is discrimination, but many people care very much about what you have to do and say.

But after a certain age, you do have to bring more to the table than just "being a woman." That's true.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA "And so forth"?? You describe EIGHT middle aged white women in all of history, and THAT'S ENOUGH FOR YOU???

How many examples do you want?

It's not easy, that's true. You actually have to do something of value. Lots of women do. You should, too.

DP. I didn't realize people still believed meritocracy was a thing. I'm not suggesting that Cate Blanchett doesn't deserve to be recognized or whatnot, but women who are still considered relevant in middle age and up are both rare and privileged. Most middle aged women of all ethnicities are the ones taking care of the kids and aging parents while the (mostly) white men float to the top of their little fishbowls like lardy turds.

It's called Lateral Aggression.

When chimps are picked on by a chimp higher up the pecking order, they go and beat up someone at their level or lower in the hierarchy.

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Anonymous wrote:Middle aged white women have been hated since forever.

The only social currency white women have is their sexual attraction to men. When that goes, society wants to push them off on an ice flow. Since we can't do that, we tell them to STFU and stand quietly in the corner where their aging body and appearance won't offend anyone's eyeballs.

Tell me I'm wrong.

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This is it.

Yes

You are wrong.

This is absolutely true if all you are good at is "being a woman," or if that is all you care about being judged in terms of, for social currency.

If you are good at journalism (Cokie Roberts), practicing medicine (Lee Beers), writing poetry (Mary Oliver), animal management (Temple Grandin), acting (so many: Judi Dench, Tilda Swinton, Cate Blanchett), mathematics (Mary Lucy Cartwright), and so on and so forth -- yes, there is discrimination, but many people care very much about what you have to do and say.

But after a certain age, you do have to bring more to the table than just "being a woman." That's true.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA "And so forth"?? You describe EIGHT middle aged white women in all of history, and THAT'S ENOUGH FOR YOU???

How many examples do you want?

It's not easy, that's true. You actually have to do something of value. Lots of women do. You should, too.

DP. I didn't realize people still believed meritocracy was a thing. I'm not suggesting that Cate Blanchett doesn't deserve to be recognized or whatnot, but women who are still considered relevant in middle age and up are both rare and privileged.

Depends on what you mean by rare. As someone noted above, there are many middle-aged female judges. There are also plenty of female physicians, and professors, and accountants. I wouldn't call it rare. I'd also like to see more, but that is difference from saying women are irrelevant.

Most middle aged women of all ethnicities are the ones taking care of the kids and aging parents while the (mostly) white men float to the top of their little fishbowls like lardy turds.

Absolutely true, and it shouldn't be so. But for many, many women, they are expected to do that was well as perform all the other duties and responsibilities for which they are valued, too.

Don't diminish other women's accomplishments to make yourself feel better. Don't do that.

[Anonymous]

^^"as well as"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Notice how no one if defending white criminals (Nordstrom/Bloomingdales) but that black criminals are thoroughly defended, well past the point of reason.

Really? As I've read it, the differences aren't racial -- but rather economic. Stealing an expensive whatever from Bloomies is viewed differently, sometimes very differently, from stealing a box of pasta from a grocery store, by many.

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Anonymous wrote:Middle aged white women have been hated since forever.

The only social currency white women have is their sexual attraction to men. When that goes, society wants to push them off on an ice flow. Since we can't do that, we tell them to STFU and stand quietly in the corner where their aging body and appearance won't offend anyone's eyeballs.

Tell me I'm wrong.

+1
This is it.

Yes

You are wrong.

This is absolutely true if all you are good at is "being a woman," or if that is all you care about being judged in terms of, for social currency.

If you are good at journalism (Cokie Roberts), practicing medicine (Lee Beers), writing poetry (Mary Oliver), animal management (Temple Grandin), acting (so many: Judi Dench, Tilda Swinton, Cate Blanchett), mathematics (Mary Lucy Cartwright), and so on and so forth -- yes, there is discrimination, but many people care very much about what you have to do and say.

But after a certain age, you do have to bring more to the table than just "being a woman." That's true.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA "And so forth"?? You describe EIGHT middle aged white women in all of history, and THAT'S ENOUGH FOR YOU???

How many examples do you want?

It's not easy, that's true. You actually have to do something of value. Lots of women do. You should, too.

DP. I didn't realize people still believed meritocracy was a thing. I'm not suggesting that Cate Blanchett doesn't deserve to be recognized or whatnot, but women who are still considered relevant in middle age and up are both rare and privileged. Most middle aged women of all ethnicities are the ones taking care of the kids and aging parents while the (mostly) white men float to the top of their little fishbowls like lardy turds.

It's called Lateral Aggression.

When chimps are picked on by a chimp higher up the pecking order, they go and beat up someone at their level or lower in the hierarchy.

When you say that no other women like me are valued, because I am not valued -- that's a helluva a lot of lateral aggression.

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Anonymous wrote:Entitled white women could stand to be silenced.

Cool. The next time I hear that black people need white allies, I’ll say f<>k you and the horse you rode in on.

You've always said that anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found that Karens exist on all sides of the political spectrum. Remember that very few white women in the DMV identify as Republicans. I also think there’s something going on beneath the surface here. That is, incel guys who sought, but failed, to have the happy married suburban life with a Karen have gleefully hopped on the bandwagon too.

The misogynistic aspect of all of this does make me wonder who is most invested in promoting the whole Karen thing and I don't think it's Black women (or men). Remember that in 2016 Black women overwhelmingly supported Hillary Clinton.

Fellow white women, please don't let anyone use your fear of being called a Karen to manipulate you into disengaging or hardening your heart toward people who don't look like you.

The post immediately above yours uses a "Karen" calling out a black child for selling lemonade, inferring that the "Karen" is white. As other posters have said, men don't use this term. So, who's left? It is disingenuous to say black women don't have an interest in promoting it when there are multitudes of posts on the protests written by posters who proclaim to be black women, calling white female posters "karens." [/quote

So maybe, with these anonymous posts, the key word to remember is "claim". And it is disingenuous to write as though you don't realize that it's highly possible that at least some of the posts claiming to be by African Americans are -- in fact -- not.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found that Karens exist on all sides of the political spectrum. Remember that very few white women in the DMV identify as Republicans. I also think there’s something going on beneath the surface here. That is, incel guys who sought, but failed, to have the happy married suburban life with a Karen have gleefully hopped on the bandwagon too.

The misogynistic aspect of all of this does make me wonder who is most invested in promoting the whole Karen thing and I don't think it's Black women (or men). Remember that in 2016 Black women overwhelmingly supported Hillary Clinton.

Fellow white women, please don't let anyone use your fear of being called a Karen to manipulate you into disengaging or hardening your heart toward people who don't look like you.

The post immediately above yours uses a "Karen" calling out a black child for selling lemonade, inferring that the "Karen" is white. As other posters have said, men don't use this term. So, who's left? It is disingenuous to say black women don't have an interest in promoting it when there are multitudes of posts on the protests written by posters who proclaim to be black women, calling white female posters "karens."

I don’t think it’s a good look to put down your own sex in sexist term. Call out bad behavior by describing it not by name calling. I really did not enjoy seeing a meme of Donald trump with the “karen” haircut saying i would like to speak to the manager of twitter. He’s a man! Let’s not insult him by calling him a woman.

Why would you view calling someone "a woman" as an insult?

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t misogynistic because it refers to a specific behavior pattern of a certain race and class of women. It doesn’t describe the entirety of that race and class of women. Just those who behave in a very particular way. It

Cool. Like a welfare queen. Or baby mamma.

Trump has 3 baby mamas

Whatever Sh’aniqua

I love how white people think using what they view as common black name is somehow an insult

Right! It makes me laugh bc it’s such a feeble attempt. Most white people know a Karen. The name you made up isn’t popular within the black community. Try Ashley or Nicole or Dominique or Denise (but these are also white names too sooooo....).

I wouldn't know and I certainly wouldn't care. The absolute last people in the world I'd ever choose to interact with are black chicks from DC or PG. I'd rather eat glass.

I've got a closet full of crystal. Let me know where I can mail it.

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I am a 50 year old white woman. If I have nothing nice to say, I say nothing at all. I only write 5 star reviews on Yelp. If I don't have a positive customer experience with a business, another customer might. I don't have an interest in taking the time to bring a business negative reviews.

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I think the faux outrage hurts the Karens of the world. People would listen more if their words and thoughts were better and more intentional. I can’t tell you how many Karen’s I’ve worked for. It’s exhausting. And it does seem to be a think with 45-70 year old white women. My grandmas were not like this. The younger generations are not like this.

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Anonymous wrote:Middle aged white women have been hated since forever.

The only social currency white women have is their sexual attraction to men. When that goes, society wants to push them off on an ice flow. Since we can't do that, we tell them to STFU and stand quietly in the corner where their aging body and appearance won't offend anyone's eyeballs.

Tell me I'm wrong.

+1
This is it.

Yes

You are wrong.

This is absolutely true if all you are good at is "being a woman," or if that is all you care about being judged in terms of, for social currency.

If you are good at journalism (Cokie Roberts), practicing medicine (Lee Beers), writing poetry (Mary Oliver), animal management (Temple Grandin), acting (so many: Judi Dench, Tilda Swinton, Cate Blanchett), mathematics (Mary Lucy Cartwright), and so on and so forth -- yes, there is discrimination, but many people care very much about what you have to do and say.

But after a certain age, you do have to bring more to the table than just "being a woman." That's true.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA "And so forth"?? You describe EIGHT middle aged white women in all of history, and THAT'S ENOUGH FOR YOU???

How many examples do you want?

It's not easy, that's true. You actually have to do something of value. Lots of women do. You should, too.

DP. I didn't realize people still believed meritocracy was a thing. I'm not suggesting that Cate Blanchett doesn't deserve to be recognized or whatnot, but women who are still considered relevant in middle age and up are both rare and privileged.

Depends on what you mean by rare. As someone noted above, there are many middle-aged female judges. There are also plenty of female physicians, and professors, and accountants. I wouldn't call it rare. I'd also like to see more, but that is difference from saying women are irrelevant.

Most middle aged women of all ethnicities are the ones taking care of the kids and aging parents while the (mostly) white men float to the top of their little fishbowls like lardy turds.

Absolutely true, and it shouldn't be so. But for many, many women, they are expected to do that was well as perform all the other duties and responsibilities for which they are valued, too.

Don't diminish other women's accomplishments to make yourself feel better. Don't do that.

LOL. You didn't get it. I am not putting down accomplished women who have made it to the top, and of course I am not saying women are irrelevant. I'm an architect, and in my profession very few women make it to the top. Most people can name one woman architect, if that. It doesn't mean that other women aren't working their asses off without recognition. If anything, I would say that you're the one putting down women by assuming that if they're not at the top then they don't belong there. I will reiterate that it's not a meritocracy.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that’s the point. We are sick of the outraged middle aged white woman. The problem is that your outrage is over absolutely nothing and you don’t care who you run over. Instead of building others up, you’ve focused on just yourself and tearing others down.

Says the protester

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Anonymous wrote:Middle aged white women have been hated since forever.

The only social currency white women have is their sexual attraction to men. When that goes, society wants to push them off on an ice flow. Since we can't do that, we tell them to STFU and stand quietly in the corner where their aging body and appearance won't offend anyone's eyeballs.

Tell me I'm wrong.

+1
This is it.

Yes

You are wrong.

This is absolutely true if all you are good at is "being a woman," or if that is all you care about being judged in terms of, for social currency.

If you are good at journalism (Cokie Roberts), practicing medicine (Lee Beers), writing poetry (Mary Oliver), animal management (Temple Grandin), acting (so many: Judi Dench, Tilda Swinton, Cate Blanchett), mathematics (Mary Lucy Cartwright), and so on and so forth -- yes, there is discrimination, but many people care very much about what you have to do and say.

But after a certain age, you do have to bring more to the table than just "being a woman." That's true.

This is a great point. If what you think you have to offer the world is your attractiveness to men -- and perhaps your attractiveness to particular groups of white men, then feeling that you no longer have that asset must be rough. My "assets" were never that focused or that limited.