Women Videotapes Man Banging on Her Seat After She Reclines -Who's Right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to design planes understanding the concept of givers and takers. Some people are going to take, no matter what it costs anyone else. Unfortunately they're in the majority these days.

The airlines just need to decide how it's going to be, not let people "work it out themselves", because the takers will just take what they can in all cases, no matter what.

If they allow people to recline then they should need to advertise the distances as if someone if reclining in front of you and you're not (e.g. if eating or working). And then let us compare and choose preferred airlines that way.

The jerk-olas on this thread are proof of that!

Seriously. What a sad commentary on humanity.

There is a distinction between taking what is yours (or have a right to) vs taking something that isn't yours. I know people have a hard time with that distinction (and explains why there are people who think illegal immigration is okay, or that whole celebrity college cheating scandal is okay, but I digress).

You are free to use the seat you paid for. People think it's discourteous to do so, but what is actually discourteous is to buy a ticket with a seat you know you can't fit in and then demand that others accommodate you by foregoing an amenity they paid for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:United basic economy is the worst. We were on a 4 hour flight yesterday and the 6 foot tall guy next to me was miserable the entire time because the person in front of him reclined, jamming the seatback into his knees.

Sorry, that is just untrue. My husband is 6'3" and I am 6' tall. We fly United basic economy all the time. Our knees are not jammed unless we slouch down in our seats and stuff three books, a laptop, and our to-go sandwich in the seat pocket. Now with that said, I should add that we are both rather slender. I suppose if the man were obese...

Your husband must be pretty skinny. I think the PP was talking about a normal athletic (not fat) man. Muscle adds bulk to a frame too - it’s not just either skin and bones or obese.

Not really. He weighs about 205 pounds. I am 140 pounds. So I suppose we would be considered normal athletic people.

The vehemently protesting people are exaggerating the effects of a reclined seat on an under 6'4" normal weight person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to design planes understanding the concept of givers and takers. Some people are going to take, no matter what it costs anyone else. Unfortunately they're in the majority these days.

The airlines just need to decide how it's going to be, not let people "work it out themselves", because the takers will just take what they can in all cases, no matter what.

If they allow people to recline then they should need to advertise the distances as if someone if reclining in front of you and you're not (e.g. if eating or working). And then let us compare and choose preferred airlines that way.

The jerk-olas on this thread are proof of that!

Seriously. What a sad commentary on humanity.

There is a distinction between taking what is yours (or have a right to) vs taking something that isn't yours. I know people have a hard time with that distinction (and explains why there are people who think illegal immigration is okay, or that whole celebrity college cheating scandal is okay, but I digress).

You are free to use the seat you paid for. People think it's discourteous to do so, but what is actually discourteous is to buy a ticket with a seat you know you can't fit in and then demand that others accommodate you by foregoing an amenity they paid for.

I love how you try to rationalize your inconsiderate behavior by pretending that everyone who disagrees with you is fat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to design planes understanding the concept of givers and takers. Some people are going to take, no matter what it costs anyone else. Unfortunately they're in the majority these days.

The airlines just need to decide how it's going to be, not let people "work it out themselves", because the takers will just take what they can in all cases, no matter what.

If they allow people to recline then they should need to advertise the distances as if someone if reclining in front of you and you're not (e.g. if eating or working). And then let us compare and choose preferred airlines that way.

The jerk-olas on this thread are proof of that!

Seriously. What a sad commentary on humanity.

There is a distinction between taking what is yours (or have a right to) vs taking something that isn't yours. I know people have a hard time with that distinction (and explains why there are people who think illegal immigration is okay, or that whole celebrity college cheating scandal is okay, but I digress).

You are free to use the seat you paid for. People think it's discourteous to do so, but what is actually discourteous is to buy a ticket with a seat you know you can't fit in and then demand that others accommodate you by foregoing an amenity they paid for.

I love how you try to rationalize your inconsiderate behavior by pretending that everyone who disagrees with you is fat.

DP here. Most people fit in the seats fine. With the seat ahead of them reclined. If someone is too tall or too fat, they can pay for a different type of seat. Problem solved!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to design planes understanding the concept of givers and takers. Some people are going to take, no matter what it costs anyone else. Unfortunately they're in the majority these days.

The airlines just need to decide how it's going to be, not let people "work it out themselves", because the takers will just take what they can in all cases, no matter what.

If they allow people to recline then they should need to advertise the distances as if someone if reclining in front of you and you're not (e.g. if eating or working). And then let us compare and choose preferred airlines that way.

The jerk-olas on this thread are proof of that!

Seriously. What a sad commentary on humanity.

There is a distinction between taking what is yours (or have a right to) vs taking something that isn't yours. I know people have a hard time with that distinction (and explains why there are people who think illegal immigration is okay, or that whole celebrity college cheating scandal is okay, but I digress).

You are free to use the seat you paid for. People think it's discourteous to do so, but what is actually discourteous is to buy a ticket with a seat you know you can't fit in and then demand that others accommodate you by foregoing an amenity they paid for.

I love how you try to rationalize your inconsiderate behavior by pretending that everyone who disagrees with you is fat.

DP here. Most people fit in the seats fine. With the seat ahead of them reclined. If someone is too tall or too fat, they can pay for a different type of seat. Problem solved!

Lol. Thanks for proving my point for me!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to design planes understanding the concept of givers and takers. Some people are going to take, no matter what it costs anyone else. Unfortunately they're in the majority these days.

The airlines just need to decide how it's going to be, not let people "work it out themselves", because the takers will just take what they can in all cases, no matter what.

If they allow people to recline then they should need to advertise the distances as if someone if reclining in front of you and you're not (e.g. if eating or working). And then let us compare and choose preferred airlines that way.

The jerk-olas on this thread are proof of that!

Seriously. What a sad commentary on humanity.

There is a distinction between taking what is yours (or have a right to) vs taking something that isn't yours. I know people have a hard time with that distinction (and explains why there are people who think illegal immigration is okay, or that whole celebrity college cheating scandal is okay, but I digress).

You are free to use the seat you paid for. People think it's discourteous to do so, but what is actually discourteous is to buy a ticket with a seat you know you can't fit in and then demand that others accommodate you by foregoing an amenity they paid for.

I love how you try to rationalize your inconsiderate behavior by pretending that everyone who disagrees with you is fat.

That person will rationalize all day because he/she simply wasn’t raised properly. Consideration for others obviously didn’t come into play.

[Anonymous]

OK, anti-recliners, do you understand that the majority of us are saying that you are exaggerating the effects of a reclined seat? I am tall and I can still use my laptop, can still get up to go to the bathroom, can still eat food, can still read a book, etc with the seat in front of me reclined. You do understand that these seats recline on a pivot, right? 3 inches less space at the top does not mean 3 inches less space at your knees.

You are being as ridiculous as the money-grabbing woman in the video. Oh woe is me, the horrors! My knees! My back! My baby! The dandruff! Lack of air! I can't breathe! Help!

Come on now, tone it down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK, anti-recliners, do you understand that the majority of us are saying that you are exaggerating the effects of a reclined seat? I am tall and I can still use my laptop, can still get up to go to the bathroom, can still eat food, can still read a book, etc with the seat in front of me reclined. You do understand that these seats recline on a pivot, right? 3 inches less space at the top does not mean 3 inches less space at your knees.

You are being as ridiculous as the money-grabbing woman in the video. Oh woe is me, the horrors! My knees! My back! My baby! The dandruff! Lack of air! I can't breathe! Help!

Come on now, tone it down.

This really depends on the particular plane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK, anti-recliners, do you understand that the majority of us are saying that you are exaggerating the effects of a reclined seat? I am tall and I can still use my laptop, can still get up to go to the bathroom, can still eat food, can still read a book, etc with the seat in front of me reclined. You do understand that these seats recline on a pivot, right? 3 inches less space at the top does not mean 3 inches less space at your knees.

You are being as ridiculous as the money-grabbing woman in the video. Oh woe is me, the horrors! My knees! My back! My baby! The dandruff! Lack of air! I can't breathe! Help!

Come on now, tone it down.

You seem to forget that it wasn’t the so-called “anti-recliners” who started this thread. It was a bunch of people claiming it’s simply impossible—impossible!—to last an entire flight sitting upright.

How dare someone point out that my efforts to grab more space for myself are actually taking space away from them! Screw them! It’s my right!! Let them eat cake!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK, anti-recliners, do you understand that the majority of us are saying that you are exaggerating the effects of a reclined seat? I am tall and I can still use my laptop, can still get up to go to the bathroom, can still eat food, can still read a book, etc with the seat in front of me reclined. You do understand that these seats recline on a pivot, right? 3 inches less space at the top does not mean 3 inches less space at your knees.

You are being as ridiculous as the money-grabbing woman in the video. Oh woe is me, the horrors! My knees! My back! My baby! The dandruff! Lack of air! I can't breathe! Help!

Come on now, tone it down.

You seem to forget that it wasn’t the so-called “anti-recliners” who started this thread. It was a bunch of people claiming it’s simply impossible—impossible!—to last an entire flight sitting upright.

How dare someone point out that my efforts to grab more space for myself are actually taking space away from them! Screw them! It’s my right!! Let them eat cake!

If they want to take away the recline feature on planes that actually doesn’t bother me nearly as much as telling people they may only recline with the “permission” of the person behind them. It’s either allowed or it isn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK, anti-recliners, do you understand that the majority of us are saying that you are exaggerating the effects of a reclined seat? I am tall and I can still use my laptop, can still get up to go to the bathroom, can still eat food, can still read a book, etc with the seat in front of me reclined. You do understand that these seats recline on a pivot, right? 3 inches less space at the top does not mean 3 inches less space at your knees.

You are being as ridiculous as the money-grabbing woman in the video. Oh woe is me, the horrors! My knees! My back! My baby! The dandruff! Lack of air! I can't breathe! Help!

Come on now, tone it down.

You seem to forget that it wasn’t the so-called “anti-recliners” who started this thread. It was a bunch of people claiming it’s simply impossible—impossible!—to last an entire flight sitting upright.

How dare someone point out that my efforts to grab more space for myself are actually taking space away from them! Screw them! It’s my right!! Let them eat cake!

If they want to take away the recline feature on planes that actually doesn’t bother me nearly as much as telling people they may only recline with the “permission” of the person behind them. It’s either allowed or it isn’t.

You are the type who needs an adult in charge to make basic decisions for you, aren't you. The idea of having to use manners and basic common courtesy to handle something so simple is too much for you. That is sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK, anti-recliners, do you understand that the majority of us are saying that you are exaggerating the effects of a reclined seat? I am tall and I can still use my laptop, can still get up to go to the bathroom, can still eat food, can still read a book, etc with the seat in front of me reclined. You do understand that these seats recline on a pivot, right? 3 inches less space at the top does not mean 3 inches less space at your knees.

You are being as ridiculous as the money-grabbing woman in the video. Oh woe is me, the horrors! My knees! My back! My baby! The dandruff! Lack of air! I can't breathe! Help!

Come on now, tone it down.

You seem to forget that it wasn’t the so-called “anti-recliners” who started this thread. It was a bunch of people claiming it’s simply impossible—impossible!—to last an entire flight sitting upright.

How dare someone point out that my efforts to grab more space for myself are actually taking space away from them! Screw them! It’s my right!! Let them eat cake!

If they want to take away the recline feature on planes that actually doesn’t bother me nearly as much as telling people they may only recline with the “permission” of the person behind them. It’s either allowed or it isn’t.

For the 900th time, just because something is “allowed” does not mean it is the right thing to do. The airlines can’t make that moral decision for you. Only you can.

[Anonymous]

Okay, you guys are right, and we are wrong. Can't argue with crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Okay, you guys are right, and we are wrong. Can't argue with crazy.

I don’t even know which side you are talking to, because both sides feel this way. Bottom line, nothing is going to change unless airlines take a hard stand. “Recommending” people ask “permission” is pointless.

[Anonymous]

Why are people arguing with each other and not holding airlines accountable?