A thread of optimism: why do you think Trump will win in 2020?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why will he win?

So many of us are just sick of the MSM reporting. It is pretty sad that when it comes to reporting about Trump, a large number of Americans insist on seeing evidence of the claims made by the MSM because reporting on this president has become so, so ridiculously bad. The past two years, we have been fed lie after lie about Trump and his "nefarious" ties to Russia. When the Russian hoax is promoted daily on the MSM, any contact with anyone remotely Russian looks incriminating, when in actuality, there was nothing to many of these contacts.

Much of the public is tuning out these "reporters." The anchors, the pundits, the "journalists," the former administration talking heads - all of them promoted a false narrative and continue to push fake news. Rachel Maddow, Don Lemon, Chris Matthews.......so sick of the lies. One only has to see their sinking ratings numbers to know that Americans are tuning them out.

So, Trump will win again because Americans realize we are being lied to daily and are sending a huge middle finger to the MSM and the Democrats - one in the same.

Again, Mueller's most recent damning statements about the report say you are wrong.

No, they don't.

the special counsel clown show virtually guarantees trumps reelection.

+1.

I was truly surprised yesterday. Trump couldn't prove himself innocent so he's guilty -- what kind of lawyer or public official thinks that way outside of totalitarian regimes?

+1.
Mueller: “I don’t have any evidence but that doesn’t mean he’s innocent.”
Me: Ummmm, it kind of does actually.

Not what he said.

If you can't understand what is happening, perhaps you should sit back and listen. Let the grown ups talk.

[Anonymous]

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It's amazing how Trump fanatics don't want to believe what Mueller really said. He clearly told Congress it was their job to take up the issue now.

He also CLEARLY said it was clear the Russians wanted Trump in office, and did everything they could to make sure that happened.

Tell us, based on a looooooooong report:

What crime was committed?

When?

Where?

By whom?

Mueller's report explicitly said there is no evidence of collussion or cooperation with the Russians by Trump.

So why are you making things up?

Incidentally, did you know that the Ukraine government actively helped the Hillary campaign?

And that, while all this foreign interference was going on, we did have a President in the White House? Who was in charge of the most extensive security apparatus the world has ever known?

Long reports are intimidating to you, huh?

The only people making things up are Trump and his supporters. The crime, dear idiot friend, is obstruction of justice.

No collusion, no coordination, and perhaps some obstruction of a political hatchet job.

You're truly desperate. Why not accept the verdict of the 2016 election, and try better in 2020?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

It's amazing how Trump fanatics don't want to believe what Mueller really said. He clearly told Congress it was their job to take up the issue now.

He also CLEARLY said it was clear the Russians wanted Trump in office, and did everything they could to make sure that happened.

No we believe what Mueller said, we are just pointing out that it wasn't Mueller's job to assist Congress to build a case for impeachment. His job was to investigate Russian collusion and criminal obstruction of justice. He did so with regards to Russian collusion and stated his findings that there was sufficient evidence to find Russian meddling in US elections, but insufficient evidence to find a broader conspiracy involving Trump. However, he failed to do his job with regards to the obstruction investigation, refusing to state whether or not he found sufficient evidence for criminal obstruction. He left it up to the interpretation of others, so don't go crying "this is not what I had in mind" when the interpreting doesn't go your way.

In the end, Mueller tried to be cute with his report. The fact that he did not charge *ANYONE* in Trump's campaign with criminal obstruction even though *THEY* are not immune to prosecution demonstrates that his refusal to come to a decision is based on insufficiency of evidence. So instead of giving Trump a clear win, he decided that he wants to instead transform the report into a roadmap for Congress to seek impeachment.

Did you miss the Cohen and Manafort trials? The investigation did result in charges.

Good Lord, so many stupid people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's amazing how Trump fanatics don't want to believe what Mueller really said. He clearly told Congress it was their job to take up the issue now.

He also CLEARLY said it was clear the Russians wanted Trump in office, and did everything they could to make sure that happened.

Tell us, based on a looooooooong report:

What crime was committed?

When?

Where?

By whom?

Mueller's report explicitly said there is no evidence of collussion or cooperation with the Russians by Trump.

So why are you making things up?

Incidentally, did you know that the Ukraine government actively helped the Hillary campaign?

And that, while all this foreign interference was going on, we did have a President in the White House? Who was in charge of the most extensive security apparatus the world has ever known?

Long reports are intimidating to you, huh?

The only people making things up are Trump and his supporters. The crime, dear idiot friend, is obstruction of justice.

No collusion, no coordination, and perhaps some obstruction of a political hatchet job.

You're truly desperate. Why not accept the verdict of the 2016 election, and try better in 2020?

This isn't about not accepting the results of the 2016 election, you moron. We've had to live with the awful consequences of that election for more than two years. You should be disturbed by happened with Russian in that election no matter whether it rose to the level of conspiracy (it's conspiracy, BTW, not collusion, you idiots), and obstruction of justice is serious.

Stop lying to yourself.

[Anonymous]

So the Mueller report is yet another example of how career bureaucrats think they know better, that they are the last line of defense against someone they personally dislike. Instead of just sticking to doing the jobs that they were hired to do, they try to play games. Ironically, all their efforts backfire in the most spectacular fashion and all but ensures the reelection of Trump in 2020. Mueller's position on the matter is just about the worst outcome for Democrats. The "I'm not saying he committed or not committed a crime" result puts Democrats in the uncomfortable position of 1) being under immense pressure by their base to press forward with impeachment, while 2) majority of the nation is simply uninterested in pursuing this Russian investigation any further and would rather Congress move on to more meaningful things. If Democrats don't cater to their base, they may lose energy and turnout in 2020. If they do cater to their base, they will draw the ire of the rest of the nation and further contribute to Trump's popularity.

If Mueller came straight out and said that there was a crime but he cannot charge, then Democrats would at least have broader backing to proceed with impeachment. If Mueller said there was "insufficient evidence", then Democrats can have an easier time to convince their base to move on. Just as Comey's grand standing hurt the Democrats in 2016, so will Mueller's sense of "fairness" hurt Democrats in 2020.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's amazing how Trump fanatics don't want to believe what Mueller really said. He clearly told Congress it was their job to take up the issue now.

He also CLEARLY said it was clear the Russians wanted Trump in office, and did everything they could to make sure that happened.

Tell us, based on a looooooooong report:

What crime was committed?

When?

Where?

By whom?

Mueller's report explicitly said there is no evidence of collussion or cooperation with the Russians by Trump.

So why are you making things up?

Incidentally, did you know that the Ukraine government actively helped the Hillary campaign?

And that, while all this foreign interference was going on, we did have a President in the White House? Who was in charge of the most extensive security apparatus the world has ever known?

Long reports are intimidating to you, huh?

The only people making things up are Trump and his supporters. The crime, dear idiot friend, is obstruction of justice.

Is it? Surely it would be outlined int he report. The Democrats have had 41 days to see the unredacted reported minus grand jury information which is required by law to be redacted. Yet at this point not one has looked at it?

Let's play a game...
I'll take why haven't the Democrats looked at the unredacted Mueller report Alex...

Sure...why haven't the Democrats looked at the report?

What is there is not obstruction of Justice and the democrats know this but want to play politics instead of legislate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the Mueller report is yet another example of how career bureaucrats think they know better, that they are the last line of defense against someone they personally dislike. Instead of just sticking to doing the jobs that they were hired to do, they try to play games. Ironically, all their efforts backfire in the most spectacular fashion and all but ensures the reelection of Trump in 2020. Mueller's position on the matter is just about the worst outcome for Democrats. The "I'm not saying he committed or not committed a crime" result puts Democrats in the uncomfortable position of 1) being under immense pressure by their base to press forward with impeachment, while 2) majority of the nation is simply uninterested in pursuing this Russian investigation any further and would rather Congress move on to more meaningful things. If Democrats don't cater to their base, they may lose energy and turnout in 2020. If they do cater to their base, they will draw the ire of the rest of the nation and further contribute to Trump's popularity.

If Mueller came straight out and said that there was a crime but he cannot charge, then Democrats would at least have broader backing to proceed with impeachment. If Mueller said there was "insufficient evidence", then Democrats can have an easier time to convince their base to move on. Just as Comey's grand standing hurt the Democrats in 2016, so will Mueller's sense of "fairness" hurt Democrats in 2020.

Very interesting analysis.

Thank you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's amazing how Trump fanatics don't want to believe what Mueller really said. He clearly told Congress it was their job to take up the issue now.

He also CLEARLY said it was clear the Russians wanted Trump in office, and did everything they could to make sure that happened.

No we believe what Mueller said, we are just pointing out that it wasn't Mueller's job to assist Congress to build a case for impeachment. His job was to investigate Russian collusion and criminal obstruction of justice. He did so with regards to Russian collusion and stated his findings that there was sufficient evidence to find Russian meddling in US elections, but insufficient evidence to find a broader conspiracy involving Trump. However, he failed to do his job with regards to the obstruction investigation, refusing to state whether or not he found sufficient evidence for criminal obstruction. He left it up to the interpretation of others, so don't go crying "this is not what I had in mind" when the interpreting doesn't go your way.

In the end, Mueller tried to be cute with his report. The fact that he did not charge *ANYONE* in Trump's campaign with criminal obstruction even though *THEY* are not immune to prosecution demonstrates that his refusal to come to a decision is based on insufficiency of evidence. So instead of giving Trump a clear win, he decided that he wants to instead transform the report into a roadmap for Congress to seek impeachment.

Did you miss the Cohen and Manafort trials? The investigation did result in charges.

Good Lord, so many stupid people.

Yes, there were charges, but not the grounds of obstruction of justice related to Trump's actions with regards to Mueller's investigation. No indictments resulted from "Volume II" related activities based on Mueller's report. I don't understand why people like you are so infatuated with the idea that other people are stupid when it is yourself that is uninformed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's amazing how Trump fanatics don't want to believe what Mueller really said. He clearly told Congress it was their job to take up the issue now.

He also CLEARLY said it was clear the Russians wanted Trump in office, and did everything they could to make sure that happened.

No we believe what Mueller said, we are just pointing out that it wasn't Mueller's job to assist Congress to build a case for impeachment. His job was to investigate Russian collusion and criminal obstruction of justice. He did so with regards to Russian collusion and stated his findings that there was sufficient evidence to find Russian meddling in US elections, but insufficient evidence to find a broader conspiracy involving Trump. However, he failed to do his job with regards to the obstruction investigation, refusing to state whether or not he found sufficient evidence for criminal obstruction. He left it up to the interpretation of others, so don't go crying "this is not what I had in mind" when the interpreting doesn't go your way.

In the end, Mueller tried to be cute with his report. The fact that he did not charge *ANYONE* in Trump's campaign with criminal obstruction even though *THEY* are not immune to prosecution demonstrates that his refusal to come to a decision is based on insufficiency of evidence. So instead of giving Trump a clear win, he decided that he wants to instead transform the report into a roadmap for Congress to seek impeachment.

Did you miss the Cohen and Manafort trials? The investigation did result in charges.

Good Lord, so many stupid people.

Yes, there were charges, but not the grounds of obstruction of justice related to Trump's actions with regards to Mueller's investigation. No indictments resulted from "Volume II" related activities based on Mueller's report. I don't understand why people like you are so infatuated with the idea that other people are stupid when it is yourself that is uninformed.

+1.

It is quite amazing--or perhaps not?--than those who insult others are the most uninformed.

[Anonymous]

No POC will vote for t-Rump in 2020. Same goes for women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's amazing how Trump fanatics don't want to believe what Mueller really said. He clearly told Congress it was their job to take up the issue now.

He also CLEARLY said it was clear the Russians wanted Trump in office, and did everything they could to make sure that happened.

No we believe what Mueller said, we are just pointing out that it wasn't Mueller's job to assist Congress to build a case for impeachment. His job was to investigate Russian collusion and criminal obstruction of justice. He did so with regards to Russian collusion and stated his findings that there was sufficient evidence to find Russian meddling in US elections, but insufficient evidence to find a broader conspiracy involving Trump. However, he failed to do his job with regards to the obstruction investigation, refusing to state whether or not he found sufficient evidence for criminal obstruction. He left it up to the interpretation of others, so don't go crying "this is not what I had in mind" when the interpreting doesn't go your way.

In the end, Mueller tried to be cute with his report. The fact that he did not charge *ANYONE* in Trump's campaign with criminal obstruction even though *THEY* are not immune to prosecution demonstrates that his refusal to come to a decision is based on insufficiency of evidence. So instead of giving Trump a clear win, he decided that he wants to instead transform the report into a roadmap for Congress to seek impeachment.

Did you miss the Cohen and Manafort trials? The investigation did result in charges.

Good Lord, so many stupid people.

Yes, there were charges, but not the grounds of obstruction of justice related to Trump's actions with regards to Mueller's investigation. No indictments resulted from "Volume II" related activities based on Mueller's report. I don't understand why people like you are so infatuated with the idea that other people are stupid when it is yourself that is uninformed.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I predict Trump will win the electoral college and lose the popular vote again.

Not with approval never crossing 43% since he took over.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

And certainly not when his approval has fallen in every single state since he took over. He is deeply negative in PA,WI,MI,IA,AZ and behind in NC,FL and up by slim margin in GA and TX. Can you imagine that the battle is gonna be fought in TX?
https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why will he win?

So many of us are just sick of the MSM reporting. It is pretty sad that when it comes to reporting about Trump, a large number of Americans insist on seeing evidence of the claims made by the MSM because reporting on this president has become so, so ridiculously bad. The past two years, we have been fed lie after lie about Trump and his "nefarious" ties to Russia. When the Russian hoax is promoted daily on the MSM, any contact with anyone remotely Russian looks incriminating, when in actuality, there was nothing to many of these contacts.

Much of the public is tuning out these "reporters." The anchors, the pundits, the "journalists," the former administration talking heads - all of them promoted a false narrative and continue to push fake news. Rachel Maddow, Don Lemon, Chris Matthews.......so sick of the lies. One only has to see their sinking ratings numbers to know that Americans are tuning them out.

So, Trump will win again because Americans realize we are being lied to daily and are sending a huge middle finger to the MSM and the Democrats - one in the same.

Keep up the delusions. 2018 was just a storm. 2020 will be a hurricane. The Liar lost by 3 million votes but rescued by slavery era EC. Since then the dems have scored impressive wins in 2018. His approval is stuck in low 40s and no improvement in sight with 55% swearing they won't vote for conman.

TX and GA are gonna be purple states in 2020. Enjoy the fun.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I predict Trump will win the electoral college and lose the popular vote again.

Not with approval never crossing 43% since he took over.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

And certainly not when his approval has fallen in every single state since he took over. He is deeply negative in PA,WI,MI,IA,AZ and behind in NC,FL and up by slim margin in GA and TX. Can you imagine that the battle is gonna be fought in TX?
https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

I doubt he was much more popular before the election and still he won.

Sometimes voters vote to the lesser of two evils, even if they don't fully "approve" either.

[Anonymous]

Those who think Trump will win again in 2020 (a hex on your souls):

What do you make of the 2018 midterms? Do you think that they weren't quire as good for Democrats as the Democrats and regular analysis seems to think?

Do you think that was an anomaly but the women who voted in Democrats in the midterms will come home to the Republican party in 2020 - and if so why?

You don't need to say the word "borders" or "wall" or "ILLEGALS" because I will just assume that is part of your reasoning. I'd really just like to hear how you incorporate the 2018 blue wave into your analysis.