Subtle signs of class

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Anonymous wrote:My take on OP's post had more to do with what people choose given what the means they have than what their means are. TV and bar cart vs piano and books--exactly. The piano may me a 1900 upright instead of a Steinway baby grand, and the books may be from a thrift store but carefully selected.

OP here. Yes, this was what I was trying to explore. Should have known the DCUM crowd would devolve into arguing about private schools and tax brackets.

Agree on the distinctions. Here’s another: when you go to Portugal, is that to hang out on the beaches or to visit the museums and sip sherry?

I hate to say this, though, but I think these are distinctions between MC and UMC. Old money where there’s still lots of money have a family grand piano, but nobody can play it well.

I don’t understand the Portugal part. Most people hit the beaches and museums n

The rich don't go to Portugal. The UMC goes. MC doesn't. So this comment is odd.

The rich go to Morocco and the Amalfi Coast.

Ive been to Morocco, Amalfi and Portugal. What does that make me?
Why the hate on Portugal?

No one is hating on Portugal. Identifying it as UMC is not hate. On the contrary, UMC are the most adventurous. Now, you mocked my class and called me a Trump supporter, which makes me question your own class security. Portugal can be a fine destination without the rich flocking to it.

DP. How do you know PP called you a Trump supporter? I'm not following.

She responded to me and called me a trump supporter. Look upthread. I'm the one who wrote a profile of each class.

That’s because you were a snarky jerk, don’t forget to include that.

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Anonymous wrote:My take on OP's post had more to do with what people choose given what the means they have than what their means are. TV and bar cart vs piano and books--exactly. The piano may me a 1900 upright instead of a Steinway baby grand, and the books may be from a thrift store but carefully selected.

OP here. Yes, this was what I was trying to explore. Should have known the DCUM crowd would devolve into arguing about private schools and tax brackets.

Agree on the distinctions. Here’s another: when you go to Portugal, is that to hang out on the beaches or to visit the museums and sip sherry?

I hate to say this, though, but I think these are distinctions between MC and UMC. Old money where there’s still lots of money have a family grand piano, but nobody can play it well.

I don’t understand the Portugal part. Most people hit the beaches and museums n

The rich don't go to Portugal. The UMC goes. MC doesn't. So this comment is odd.

The rich go to Morocco and the Amalfi Coast.

Ive been to Morocco, Amalfi and Portugal. What does that make me?
Why the hate on Portugal?

No one is hating on Portugal. Identifying it as UMC is not hate. On the contrary, UMC are the most adventurous. Now, you mocked my class and called me a Trump supporter, which makes me question your own class security. Portugal can be a fine destination without the rich flocking to it.

DP. How do you know PP called you a Trump supporter? I'm not following.

She responded to me and called me a trump supporter. Look upthread. I'm the one who wrote a profile of each class.

Oh, okay.

Can you give us a rundown on the yachting/beach locales of the rich vs. UMC? For example, Bahamas, etc.

For the Caribbean, the old money goes to Mill Reef, Caneel Bay, Round Hill or do a sailing charter in the BVIs. The nouveau riche go to St Bart’s or Anguilla - or anywhere else to be “seen.” Taking a cruise is the lowest of low classes.

Not true about cruises. Cunard, silversea, and american river cruises are all securely upper class.

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Anonymous wrote:My take on OP's post had more to do with what people choose given what the means they have than what their means are. TV and bar cart vs piano and books--exactly. The piano may me a 1900 upright instead of a Steinway baby grand, and the books may be from a thrift store but carefully selected.

OP here. Yes, this was what I was trying to explore. Should have known the DCUM crowd would devolve into arguing about private schools and tax brackets.

Agree on the distinctions. Here’s another: when you go to Portugal, is that to hang out on the beaches or to visit the museums and sip sherry?

I hate to say this, though, but I think these are distinctions between MC and UMC. Old money where there’s still lots of money have a family grand piano, but nobody can play it well.

I don’t understand the Portugal part. Most people hit the beaches and museums n

The rich don't go to Portugal. The UMC goes. MC doesn't. So this comment is odd.

The rich go to Morocco and the Amalfi Coast.

Ive been to Morocco, Amalfi and Portugal. What does that make me?
Why the hate on Portugal?

No one is hating on Portugal. Identifying it as UMC is not hate. On the contrary, UMC are the most adventurous. Now, you mocked my class and called me a Trump supporter, which makes me question your own class security. Portugal can be a fine destination without the rich flocking to it.

DP. How do you know PP called you a Trump supporter? I'm not following.

She responded to me and called me a trump supporter. Look upthread. I'm the one who wrote a profile of each class.

Oh, okay.

Can you give us a rundown on the yachting/beach locales of the rich vs. UMC? For example, Bahamas, etc.

For the Caribbean, the old money goes to Mill Reef, Caneel Bay, Round Hill or do a sailing charter in the BVIs. The nouveau riche go to St Bart’s or Anguilla - or anywhere else to be “seen.” Taking a cruise is the lowest of low classes.

I go to Round Hill every few years and am most definitely not old money. And neither is anyone I have met there. Try again!

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Anonymous wrote:My take on OP's post had more to do with what people choose given what the means they have than what their means are. TV and bar cart vs piano and books--exactly. The piano may me a 1900 upright instead of a Steinway baby grand, and the books may be from a thrift store but carefully selected.

OP here. Yes, this was what I was trying to explore. Should have known the DCUM crowd would devolve into arguing about private schools and tax brackets.

Agree on the distinctions. Here’s another: when you go to Portugal, is that to hang out on the beaches or to visit the museums and sip sherry?

I hate to say this, though, but I think these are distinctions between MC and UMC. Old money where there’s still lots of money have a family grand piano, but nobody can play it well.

I don’t understand the Portugal part. Most people hit the beaches and museums n

The rich don't go to Portugal. The UMC goes. MC doesn't. So this comment is odd.

The rich go to Morocco and the Amalfi Coast.

Ive been to Morocco, Amalfi and Portugal. What does that make me?
Why the hate on Portugal?

No one is hating on Portugal. Identifying it as UMC is not hate. On the contrary, UMC are the most adventurous. Now, you mocked my class and called me a Trump supporter, which makes me question your own class security. Portugal can be a fine destination without the rich flocking to it.

DP. How do you know PP called you a Trump supporter? I'm not following.

She responded to me and called me a trump supporter. Look upthread. I'm the one who wrote a profile of each class.

Oh, okay.

Can you give us a rundown on the yachting/beach locales of the rich vs. UMC? For example, Bahamas, etc.

For the Caribbean, the old money goes to Mill Reef, Caneel Bay, Round Hill or do a sailing charter in the BVIs. The nouveau riche go to St Bart’s or Anguilla - or anywhere else to be “seen.” Taking a cruise is the lowest of low classes.

I go to Round Hill every few years and am most definitely not old money. And neither is anyone I have met there. Try again!

To be clear, that pp response about round hill was not mine, the WC profile writer. I believe it was the one whose choice of Portugal as a destination is now causing tremendous class angst and nervous introspection.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you be rich and middle class at the same time?

Profile writer here. You can be unusual for your class. But, class frames perspective, so no. I'm WC but have a high HHI (even high for UMC). I am still WC.

Profile writer. I love you first of all. I wrote a few pages ago about my DH. He is upper class (European I used in my post) but we are poor now. I get you. And love your posts. They ring very true in my experiences

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Anonymous wrote:The working class man, like the rich man, is sentimental and driven by comfort. He usually eats the same meals and has least adventurous palate of all the classes. The working class house is full of items of personal significance, such as family photos, and a quilt made by grandma. Decor also includes wallpaper borders, Americana themes, and signs with touching phrases like "bless this mess". Working class vacations usually involve staying with relatives or camping, and aspirational vacations are Disney or a cruise. Hawaii is working class Valhalla. Entertainment includes television, movies, sports bars, bowling, being a spectator at sporting events such as baseball or football, hosting potlucks, and hosting MLM parties. Education is regarded as career advancement; degree programs like nursing are considered superior to degrees like Economics, which are perceived as lacking job opportunities and practical application.

This is so funny. The bolded part describes my upbringing and we were pretty much upper middle class -- doctor father, teacher mother, kids went to private school on scholarship and then to Ivies and now work in professional fields.

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Anonymous wrote:My take on OP's post had more to do with what people choose given what the means they have than what their means are. TV and bar cart vs piano and books--exactly. The piano may me a 1900 upright instead of a Steinway baby grand, and the books may be from a thrift store but carefully selected.

OP here. Yes, this was what I was trying to explore. Should have known the DCUM crowd would devolve into arguing about private schools and tax brackets.

Agree on the distinctions. Here’s another: when you go to Portugal, is that to hang out on the beaches or to visit the museums and sip sherry?

I hate to say this, though, but I think these are distinctions between MC and UMC. Old money where there’s still lots of money have a family grand piano, but nobody can play it well.

I don’t understand the Portugal part. Most people hit the beaches and museums n

The rich don't go to Portugal. The UMC goes. MC doesn't. So this comment is odd.

The rich go to Morocco and the Amalfi Coast.

Ive been to Morocco, Amalfi and Portugal. What does that make me?
Why the hate on Portugal?

No one is hating on Portugal. Identifying it as UMC is not hate. On the contrary, UMC are the most adventurous. Now, you mocked my class and called me a Trump supporter, which makes me question your own class security. Portugal can be a fine destination without the rich flocking to it.

DP. How do you know PP called you a Trump supporter? I'm not following.

She responded to me and called me a trump supporter. Look upthread. I'm the one who wrote a profile of each class.

Oh, okay.

Can you give us a rundown on the yachting/beach locales of the rich vs. UMC? For example, Bahamas, etc.

For the Caribbean, the old money goes to Mill Reef, Caneel Bay, Round Hill or do a sailing charter in the BVIs. The nouveau riche go to St Bart’s or Anguilla - or anywhere else to be “seen.” Taking a cruise is the lowest of low classes.

I go to Round Hill every few years and am most definitely not old money. And neither is anyone I have met there. Try again!

To be clear, that pp response about round hill was not mine, the WC profile writer. I believe it was the one whose choice of Portugal as a destination is now causing tremendous class angst and nervous introspection.

What? I have gone to Portugal and Round Hill. You are an odd one!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can you be rich and middle class at the same time?

Profile writer here. You can be unusual for your class. But, class frames perspective, so no. I'm WC but have a high HHI (even high for UMC). I am still WC.

Profile writer. I love you first of all. I wrote a few pages ago about my DH. He is upper class (European I used in my post) but we are poor now. I get you. And love your posts. They ring very true in my experiences

Aww, thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:My take on OP's post had more to do with what people choose given what the means they have than what their means are. TV and bar cart vs piano and books--exactly. The piano may me a 1900 upright instead of a Steinway baby grand, and the books may be from a thrift store but carefully selected.

OP here. Yes, this was what I was trying to explore. Should have known the DCUM crowd would devolve into arguing about private schools and tax brackets.

Agree on the distinctions. Here’s another: when you go to Portugal, is that to hang out on the beaches or to visit the museums and sip sherry?

I hate to say this, though, but I think these are distinctions between MC and UMC. Old money where there’s still lots of money have a family grand piano, but nobody can play it well.

I don’t understand the Portugal part. Most people hit the beaches and museums n

The rich don't go to Portugal. The UMC goes. MC doesn't. So this comment is odd.

The rich go to Morocco and the Amalfi Coast.

Ive been to Morocco, Amalfi and Portugal. What does that make me?
Why the hate on Portugal?

No one is hating on Portugal. Identifying it as UMC is not hate. On the contrary, UMC are the most adventurous. Now, you mocked my class and called me a Trump supporter, which makes me question your own class security. Portugal can be a fine destination without the rich flocking to it.

DP. How do you know PP called you a Trump supporter? I'm not following.

She responded to me and called me a trump supporter. Look upthread. I'm the one who wrote a profile of each class.

Oh, okay.

Can you give us a rundown on the yachting/beach locales of the rich vs. UMC? For example, Bahamas, etc.

For the Caribbean, the old money goes to Mill Reef, Caneel Bay, Round Hill or do a sailing charter in the BVIs. The nouveau riche go to St Bart’s or Anguilla - or anywhere else to be “seen.” Taking a cruise is the lowest of low classes.

I go to Round Hill every few years and am most definitely not old money. And neither is anyone I have met there. Try again!

To be clear, that pp response about round hill was not mine, the WC profile writer. I believe it was the one whose choice of Portugal as a destination is now causing tremendous class angst and nervous introspection.

What? I have gone to Portugal and Round Hill. You are an odd one!

. And I am definitely not upper class or old money or whatever else you obsess about.

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Anonymous wrote:My take on OP's post had more to do with what people choose given what the means they have than what their means are. TV and bar cart vs piano and books--exactly. The piano may me a 1900 upright instead of a Steinway baby grand, and the books may be from a thrift store but carefully selected.

OP here. Yes, this was what I was trying to explore. Should have known the DCUM crowd would devolve into arguing about private schools and tax brackets.

Agree on the distinctions. Here’s another: when you go to Portugal, is that to hang out on the beaches or to visit the museums and sip sherry?

I hate to say this, though, but I think these are distinctions between MC and UMC. Old money where there’s still lots of money have a family grand piano, but nobody can play it well.

I don’t understand the Portugal part. Most people hit the beaches and museums n

The rich don't go to Portugal. The UMC goes. MC doesn't. So this comment is odd.

The rich go to Morocco and the Amalfi Coast.

Ive been to Morocco, Amalfi and Portugal. What does that make me?
Why the hate on Portugal?

No one is hating on Portugal. Identifying it as UMC is not hate. On the contrary, UMC are the most adventurous. Now, you mocked my class and called me a Trump supporter, which makes me question your own class security. Portugal can be a fine destination without the rich flocking to it.

DP. How do you know PP called you a Trump supporter? I'm not following.

She responded to me and called me a trump supporter. Look upthread. I'm the one who wrote a profile of each class.

Oh, okay.

Can you give us a rundown on the yachting/beach locales of the rich vs. UMC? For example, Bahamas, etc.

For the Caribbean, the old money goes to Mill Reef, Caneel Bay, Round Hill or do a sailing charter in the BVIs. The nouveau riche go to St Bart’s or Anguilla - or anywhere else to be “seen.” Taking a cruise is the lowest of low classes.

I go to Round Hill every few years and am most definitely not old money. And neither is anyone I have met there. Try again!

To be clear, that pp response about round hill was not mine, the WC profile writer. I believe it was the one whose choice of Portugal as a destination is now causing tremendous class angst and nervous introspection.

What? I have gone to Portugal and Round Hill. You are an odd one!

. And I am definitely not upper class or old money or whatever else you obsess about.



I spent the last several pages explaining why Portugal isn't a destination for the rich, and I've never heard of Round Hill. My response is upthread, starting with the statement that yachting is for the rich and sailing is more common for UMC.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you be rich and middle class at the same time?

Profile writer here. You can be unusual for your class. But, class frames perspective, so no. I'm WC but have a high HHI (even high for UMC). I am still WC.

Profile writer. I love you first of all. I wrote a few pages ago about my DH. He is upper class (European I used in my post) but we are poor now. I get you. And love your posts. They ring very true in my experiences

+1!

WC profile writer, why do you still consider yourself WC? You are college educated (or higher) and a white collar professional, correct? Does that not make you at least MC or UMC?

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Anonymous wrote:The working class man, like the rich man, is sentimental and driven by comfort. He usually eats the same meals and has least adventurous palate of all the classes. The working class house is full of items of personal significance, such as family photos, and a quilt made by grandma. Decor also includes wallpaper borders, Americana themes, and signs with touching phrases like "bless this mess". Working class vacations usually involve staying with relatives or camping, and aspirational vacations are Disney or a cruise. Hawaii is working class Valhalla. Entertainment includes television, movies, sports bars, bowling, being a spectator at sporting events such as baseball or football, hosting potlucks, and hosting MLM parties. Education is regarded as career advancement; degree programs like nursing are considered superior to degrees like Economics, which are perceived as lacking job opportunities and practical application.

This is so funny. The bolded part describes my upbringing and we were pretty much upper middle class -- doctor father, teacher mother, kids went to private school on scholarship and then to Ivies and now work in professional fields.

Probably some of this is regional too. I grew up in a rural area with professional MC parents, but a lot of the families in my area would be classified as WC (a term no one ever used - everyone was MC unless you were actually poor). Nobody said "we're too fancy for your potluck or bowling," you do what your neighbors do socially, it just makes sense. And we camped because we didn't have money for hotels - but unlike our friends who went to Disney, it was because they were saving like crazy for retirement and college.

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Anonymous wrote:My take on OP's post had more to do with what people choose given what the means they have than what their means are. TV and bar cart vs piano and books--exactly. The piano may me a 1900 upright instead of a Steinway baby grand, and the books may be from a thrift store but carefully selected.

OP here. Yes, this was what I was trying to explore. Should have known the DCUM crowd would devolve into arguing about private schools and tax brackets.

Agree on the distinctions. Here’s another: when you go to Portugal, is that to hang out on the beaches or to visit the museums and sip sherry?

I hate to say this, though, but I think these are distinctions between MC and UMC. Old money where there’s still lots of money have a family grand piano, but nobody can play it well.

I don’t understand the Portugal part. Most people hit the beaches and museums n

The rich don't go to Portugal. The UMC goes. MC doesn't. So this comment is odd.

The rich go to Morocco and the Amalfi Coast.

Ive been to Morocco, Amalfi and Portugal. What does that make me?
Why the hate on Portugal?

No one is hating on Portugal. Identifying it as UMC is not hate. On the contrary, UMC are the most adventurous. Now, you mocked my class and called me a Trump supporter, which makes me question your own class security. Portugal can be a fine destination without the rich flocking to it.

DP. How do you know PP called you a Trump supporter? I'm not following.

She responded to me and called me a trump supporter. Look upthread. I'm the one who wrote a profile of each class.

Oh, okay.

Can you give us a rundown on the yachting/beach locales of the rich vs. UMC? For example, Bahamas, etc.

For the Caribbean, the old money goes to Mill Reef, Caneel Bay, Round Hill or do a sailing charter in the BVIs. The nouveau riche go to St Bart’s or Anguilla - or anywhere else to be “seen.” Taking a cruise is the lowest of low classes.

I go to Round Hill every few years and am most definitely not old money. And neither is anyone I have met there. Try again!

To be clear, that pp response about round hill was not mine, the WC profile writer. I believe it was the one whose choice of Portugal as a destination is now causing tremendous class angst and nervous introspection.

What? I have gone to Portugal and Round Hill. You are an odd one!

Look, that poster writes well and has some insight, but she’s off-base on some stuff. If this is the poster who thinks the upper class uses last names for first names, that’s just a Hollywood trope about the sad/obnoxious prep kid, and not something old money actually does. Not sure what her thing about Portugal is about, or why she keeps insisting on it.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you be rich and middle class at the same time?

Profile writer here. You can be unusual for your class. But, class frames perspective, so no. I'm WC but have a high HHI (even high for UMC). I am still WC.

Profile writer. I love you first of all. I wrote a few pages ago about my DH. He is upper class (European I used in my post) but we are poor now. I get you. And love your posts. They ring very true in my experiences

+1!

WC profile writer, why do you still consider yourself WC? You are college educated (or higher) and a white collar professional, correct? Does that not make you at least MC or UMC?

Mostly because you can't unsee/unknow certain things that come along with WC existence. And saying I am WC is generous- I grew up poor. That's a perspective that can't be shaken off with education and wealth. And truly, I don't want to. Part of my charm is that I am true to myself, and I offer a perspective that my social circle would not otherwise have.

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Anonymous wrote:My take on OP's post had more to do with what people choose given what the means they have than what their means are. TV and bar cart vs piano and books--exactly. The piano may me a 1900 upright instead of a Steinway baby grand, and the books may be from a thrift store but carefully selected.

OP here. Yes, this was what I was trying to explore. Should have known the DCUM crowd would devolve into arguing about private schools and tax brackets.

Agree on the distinctions. Here’s another: when you go to Portugal, is that to hang out on the beaches or to visit the museums and sip sherry?

I hate to say this, though, but I think these are distinctions between MC and UMC. Old money where there’s still lots of money have a family grand piano, but nobody can play it well.

I don’t understand the Portugal part. Most people hit the beaches and museums n

The rich don't go to Portugal. The UMC goes. MC doesn't. So this comment is odd.

The rich go to Morocco and the Amalfi Coast.

Ive been to Morocco, Amalfi and Portugal. What does that make me?
Why the hate on Portugal?

No one is hating on Portugal. Identifying it as UMC is not hate. On the contrary, UMC are the most adventurous. Now, you mocked my class and called me a Trump supporter, which makes me question your own class security. Portugal can be a fine destination without the rich flocking to it.

DP. How do you know PP called you a Trump supporter? I'm not following.

She responded to me and called me a trump supporter. Look upthread. I'm the one who wrote a profile of each class.

Oh, okay.

Can you give us a rundown on the yachting/beach locales of the rich vs. UMC? For example, Bahamas, etc.

For the Caribbean, the old money goes to Mill Reef, Caneel Bay, Round Hill or do a sailing charter in the BVIs. The nouveau riche go to St Bart’s or Anguilla - or anywhere else to be “seen.” Taking a cruise is the lowest of low classes.

I go to Round Hill every few years and am most definitely not old money. And neither is anyone I have met there. Try again!

To be clear, that pp response about round hill was not mine, the WC profile writer. I believe it was the one whose choice of Portugal as a destination is now causing tremendous class angst and nervous introspection.

What? I have gone to Portugal and Round Hill. You are an odd one!

. And I am definitely not upper class or old money or whatever else you obsess about.

Sorry, but this is why you don’t get some things. I know some super-rich who have gone to Portugal.