GreatSchools makes segregation easy!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've been a pretty frequent poster on this thread and I am going to pause and try and do a summary

1. It's better for society to mix people together vs tracking. Studies have shown that the high performers still stay high performing and that lower performers have strong benefits from mixing vs tracking

2. Now my point throughout this thread is that I am a realist. As a parent you are going to do what's in the best interest of your child and since this is DCUM and most here are higher SES and higher performing that means seeking out a school that has higher performing children and tracking. Real estate prices bare this out and even then many higher SES parents choose private schools. Diversity is almost never a factor in education decisions.

3. I forget who said it but the only solution I see in this is for people to continue to act in their own best interest and send their kids to the best school possible (that's human nature) and volunteer/donate in schools that serve less well off populations.

And let me say again talking about diversity is not a logical argument. Home values are not higher in more diverse environments they are higher in areas that have higher test scores.

You have summarized your own opinions not facts or consensus

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Similar discussion occurring here about the AAP program

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/700782.page

My position is the same it is logical to want the best for your kid. It is illogical to pursue diversity especially since in many cases higher diversity = lower quality. If those were the choices a higher performing school vs a diverse school I challenge anyone who would honestly pick the more diverse school.

Your reading comprehension sucks if you think the discussion is similar. That thread has its own race baiting trolls, but they are largely ignored. There are more race baiting trolls on this thread and they are saying more outrageous things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been a pretty frequent poster on this thread and I am going to pause and try and do a summary

1. It's better for society to mix people together vs tracking. Studies have shown that the high performers still stay high performing and that lower performers have strong benefits from mixing vs tracking

2. Now my point throughout this thread is that I am a realist. As a parent you are going to do what's in the best interest of your child and since this is DCUM and most here are higher SES and higher performing that means seeking out a school that has higher performing children and tracking. Real estate prices bare this out and even then many higher SES parents choose private schools. Diversity is almost never a factor in education decisions.

3. I forget who said it but the only solution I see in this is for people to continue to act in their own best interest and send their kids to the best school possible (that's human nature) and volunteer/donate in schools that serve less well off populations.

And let me say again talking about diversity is not a logical argument. Home values are not higher in more diverse environments they are higher in areas that have higher test scores.

You have summarized your own opinions not facts or consensus

sorry you fail at reality. I'll keep it simple for you home property values are all you need to look at and look at me I can do it too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Similar discussion occurring here about the AAP program

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/700782.page

My position is the same it is logical to want the best for your kid. It is illogical to pursue diversity especially since in many cases higher diversity = lower quality. If those were the choices a higher performing school vs a diverse school I challenge anyone who would honestly pick the more diverse school.

Your reading comprehension sucks if you think the discussion is similar. That thread has its own race baiting trolls, but they are largely ignored. There are more race baiting trolls on this thread and they are saying more outrageous things.

It's sad you go through life seeing everything through race. It really limits your potential. How about working hard instead of always playing the victim card it's really holding you back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been a pretty frequent poster on this thread and I am going to pause and try and do a summary

1. It's better for society to mix people together vs tracking. Studies have shown that the high performers still stay high performing and that lower performers have strong benefits from mixing vs tracking

2. Now my point throughout this thread is that I am a realist. As a parent you are going to do what's in the best interest of your child and since this is DCUM and most here are higher SES and higher performing that means seeking out a school that has higher performing children and tracking. Real estate prices bare this out and even then many higher SES parents choose private schools. Diversity is almost never a factor in education decisions.

3. I forget who said it but the only solution I see in this is for people to continue to act in their own best interest and send their kids to the best school possible (that's human nature) and volunteer/donate in schools that serve less well off populations.

And let me say again talking about diversity is not a logical argument. Home values are not higher in more diverse environments they are higher in areas that have higher test scores.

You have summarized your own opinions not facts or consensus

sorry you fail at reality. I'll keep it simple for you home property values are all you need to look at and look at me I can do it too

Property values are influenced by a number of factors troll

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been a pretty frequent poster on this thread and I am going to pause and try and do a summary

1. It's better for society to mix people together vs tracking. Studies have shown that the high performers still stay high performing and that lower performers have strong benefits from mixing vs tracking

2. Now my point throughout this thread is that I am a realist. As a parent you are going to do what's in the best interest of your child and since this is DCUM and most here are higher SES and higher performing that means seeking out a school that has higher performing children and tracking. Real estate prices bare this out and even then many higher SES parents choose private schools. Diversity is almost never a factor in education decisions.

3. I forget who said it but the only solution I see in this is for people to continue to act in their own best interest and send their kids to the best school possible (that's human nature) and volunteer/donate in schools that serve less well off populations.

And let me say again talking about diversity is not a logical argument. Home values are not higher in more diverse environments they are higher in areas that have higher test scores.

You have summarized your own opinions not facts or consensus

sorry you fail at reality. I'll keep it simple for you home property values are all you need to look at and look at me I can do it too

Property values are influenced by a number of factors troll

if you disagree with someone it does not make them a troll. I suggest you gain more knowledge idiot. Looks like you went to a diverse low performing school how sad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:no its 2017 people are more interested in school quality vs skin color.

Especially people like you, who pretend that white privilege does not exist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS bet is that by spending $$$millions on illiterate, unskilled, uneducated illegal aliens/anchor baby children via the PK-12 school system and by providing taxpayer-funded dental, healthcare, 3 meals/day, before and aftercare, babysiting for teens' babies, that the central american children will grow up to be productive U.S. citizens not living on the dole.

Since MCPS has rolled out the carpet like this for over 30 years, thus its sanctuary city status is firmly cemented in many hispanic and global communities, it is beyond time to look at the results. How were test scores of each cohort of illegals? What were the graduation rates? What were the pregnancy rates? Where are the students now? Are they still net recipients of government subsidies or net payors?

Another Trump voter. Will Mexico pay for the wall?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Similar discussion occurring here about the AAP program

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/700782.page

My position is the same it is logical to want the best for your kid. It is illogical to pursue diversity especially since in many cases higher diversity = lower quality. If those were the choices a higher performing school vs a diverse school I challenge anyone who would honestly pick the more diverse school.

Your reading comprehension sucks if you think the discussion is similar. That thread has its own race baiting trolls, but they are largely ignored. There are more race baiting trolls on this thread and they are saying more outrageous things.

It's sad you go through life seeing everything through race. It really limits your potential. How about working hard instead of always playing the victim card it's really holding you back.

+ a million!

+ un millon!

[Anonymous]

All those choosing diversity as the most important factor in their school choice fall into one of these categories:

1. White DCC parents trying to justify sending their kids to the 95% minority Kennedy, 92% Wheaton, 87% minority Northwood, etc.

2. Minority DCC parents who are doing everything they can to defend their school which has average SAT scores lower than the MoCo average (Kennedy, wheaton, Northwood, Einstein, non-magnet Blair). Kennedy Wheaton and Northwood have avg SAT scores lower than the national average so they need even greater defending.

3. Minority parents who would never send their kids to a high SES school because they don't want their children around too many white kids.

4. White parents who are "more evolved" than other whites so they are pushing this diversity thing while sending THEIR kids to private school. Of course, the only reason their child is in private school is because of a learning disability, religion, sports, music, art, etc, etc. Otherwise, it would be wonderful for their child to go to Kennedy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All those choosing diversity as the most important factor in their school choice fall into one of these categories:

1. White DCC parents trying to justify sending their kids to the 95% minority Kennedy, 92% Wheaton, 87% minority Northwood, etc.

2. Minority DCC parents who are doing everything they can to defend their school which has average SAT scores lower than the MoCo average (Kennedy, wheaton, Northwood, Einstein, non-magnet Blair). Kennedy Wheaton and Northwood have avg SAT scores lower than the national average so they need even greater defending.

3. Minority parents who would never send their kids to a high SES school because they don't want their children around too many white kids.

4. White parents who are "more evolved" than other whites so they are pushing this diversity thing while sending THEIR kids to private school. Of course, the only reason their child is in private school is because of a learning disability, religion, sports, music, art, etc, etc. Otherwise, it would be wonderful for their child to go to Kennedy.

For #4 you forgot other common reasons, like privacy, security, grandma pays for it...

LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does your company have a culture of success? Is everyone an executive? If there are janitors at your company that didn't finish high school, does that make it less likely that you can do your job well? What if your company hires secretaries, accountants, mail room staff, and cafeteria workers? I mean, if they work for the same company then don't they dilute your culture of success? Wouldn't it be better to work at a company that exclusively employs executives?

Remember, high schools have 500 or more kids per grade. To the kids sitting in AP physics, the motivations of kids on the lower end of the achievement gap are irrelevant. A school doesn't need ALL superstars any more than a company needs ALL executives.

Valid point in high school as long as you have a strong cohort of high achievers to fill at least one section of AP

The problem is elementary school and even middle school in some cases when there is no tracking. To continue your analogy would you want to staff an important strategy project with your top performers and janitors and secretaries? Of course not the top performers wouldn't be able to be as effective having to deal with the dead weight.

to the Previous PP, I agree with what you wrote, however what is your stance now that MCPS Middle Schools have gotten rid of, ENTIRELY, tracking and upper/average/lower classes? They now tout "putting a mix of high achievers, avg achievers, and low achievers in each sugject class". My kid should up to Pyle after two years (4th and 5th) in the gifted center astonished at how terrible the classroom behavior, pace, lack of engagement/motivation of some of her classmates. She wishes she was commuting 90 minutes to the magnet we turned down. Pyle principal had better fix the situation. No way my other two kids are going through such a waste of 6, 7 and 8th grades.

So yeah, Putting a janitor in the executive strategy meeting does cause problems, you're not reaching people's potential or ability level. watering it all down.

Yes I'm that pp and I have a 6th grader in an average (not W) ms. His math class is certainly "tracked," but yes it's true that he shares social studies and science classes with some kids who aren't superstars. English and Spanish are somewhat tracked because those with low reading scores have to take a special class. This is exactly how it was for me 30 years ago though. Honors and AP classes started in 9th then and they do now too.

Yours is really a special situation, frankly, since your child went to an elementary magnet and then didn't go to a middle school magnet. It's really not fair to compare a regular school to a magnet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've been a pretty frequent poster on this thread and I am going to pause and try and do a summary

1. It's better for society to mix people together vs tracking. Studies have shown that the high performers still stay high performing and that lower performers have strong benefits from mixing vs tracking

2. Now my point throughout this thread is that I am a realist. As a parent you are going to do what's in the best interest of your child and since this is DCUM and most here are higher SES and higher performing that means seeking out a school that has higher performing children and tracking. Real estate prices bare this out and even then many higher SES parents choose private schools. Diversity is almost never a factor in education decisions.

3. I forget who said it but the only solution I see in this is for people to continue to act in their own best interest and send their kids to the best school possible (that's human nature) and volunteer/donate in schools that serve less well off populations.

And let me say again talking about diversity is not a logical argument. Home values are not higher in more diverse environments they are higher in areas that have higher test scores.

If you go over to the real estate board, you'll see lots of people posting they are looking for a diverse neighborhood and school. It is simply false that no one considers this.

Furthermore, not everyone chooses a house based solely on the school it is zoned to. Many people choose houses for their location, yard, home features, proximity to things they need, etc. and have faith that the school situation will be fine, because it will.

If you think white parents really all maximize the whiteness of the schools their children attend because that's definitively better, how do explain the fact that there are any whites at all at Einstein, Blair, Northwood, etc.? Are they trapped there against their will? Delusional?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Similar discussion occurring here about the AAP program

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/700782.page

My position is the same it is logical to want the best for your kid. It is illogical to pursue diversity especially since in many cases higher diversity = lower quality. If those were the choices a higher performing school vs a diverse school I challenge anyone who would honestly pick the more diverse school.

Your reading comprehension sucks if you think the discussion is similar. That thread has its own race baiting trolls, but they are largely ignored. There are more race baiting trolls on this thread and they are saying more outrageous things.

It's sad you go through life seeing everything through race. It really limits your potential. How about working hard instead of always playing the victim card it's really holding you back.

It is sad you go through life without seeing that you are privileged. Or seeing that you are privileged, wearing your privilege as a badge of honor and belittle those who are less fortunate than you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All those choosing diversity as the most important factor in their school choice fall into one of these categories:

1. White DCC parents trying to justify sending their kids to the 95% minority Kennedy, 92% Wheaton, 87% minority Northwood, etc.

2. Minority DCC parents who are doing everything they can to defend their school which has average SAT scores lower than the MoCo average (Kennedy, wheaton, Northwood, Einstein, non-magnet Blair). Kennedy Wheaton and Northwood have avg SAT scores lower than the national average so they need even greater defending.

3. Minority parents who would never send their kids to a high SES school because they don't want their children around too many white kids.

4. White parents who are "more evolved" than other whites so they are pushing this diversity thing while sending THEIR kids to private school. Of course, the only reason their child is in private school is because of a learning disability, religion, sports, music, art, etc, etc. Otherwise, it would be wonderful for their child to go to Kennedy.

Does this blow your mind? Wheaton won the Maryland Science Bowl competition this month, beating 47 teams from throughout Maryland. But your kid won't be on that team, because you aim higher than Wheaton.

http://www.thesentinel.com/mont/news/local/item/6309-wheaton-high-school-wins-maryland-science-bowl