Betsy DeVos and Vouchers - Yes!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You sound exactly like someone I know in the DCPS PRO office. But you live in Maryland like the rest of them, so why really do you care? You're just here for the paycheck.

response:

Again, please post a link to support your rambling diatribe that Catholic schools are superior to public schools. Name-calling is only proving my point.

According to this, it sure as heck isn't DCPS (HRCS's are the top 10):
https://k12.niche.com/rankings/public-elementary-s...verall/s/district-of-columbia/

According to this, "D.C. has the second to worst public school system in the United States".
http://wtop.com/dc/2015/07/study-d-c-ranks-near-bottom-u-s-school-systems/

So although I cannot find an article about how DC Catholic schools compare to DCPS, I think it's fair to say they have to be better because things in DCPS on a national level are about the worst.

[b]I'm here because I want vouchers to get something for my tax money and so people will stay in the city versus leaving. With vouchers, DC will become a magnet for the middle class.[/b]

The MIDDLE CLASS won't get vouchers!!! How many times does this point need to be made? Especially the "middle class" of DC. There's no (ZERO!) chance that any of the young gentrifiers of DC (the type that otherwise would
move to Bethesda or Arlington) will qualify for vouchers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to this, if you want good public just move to Arlington. Forget DC.


https://k12.niche.com/rankings/public-elementary-schools/best-overall/m/washington-dc-metro-area/

That lists a lot of traditional public schools, which can't possibly be better than charter schools. Or a voucher.

NP: Why not? Your disdain for traditional public does not appear to based in fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to this, if you want good public just move to Arlington. Forget DC.


https://k12.niche.com/rankings/public-elementary-schools/best-overall/m/washington-dc-metro-area/

That lists a lot of traditional public schools, which can't possibly be better than charter schools. Or a voucher.

NP: Why not? Your disdain for traditional public does not appear to based in fact.

That was meant as sarcasm. Then again, with the stupid stuff people say these days I can see why it could be confused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to this, if you want good public just move to Arlington. Forget DC.


https://k12.niche.com/rankings/public-elementary-schools/best-overall/m/washington-dc-metro-area/

That lists a lot of traditional public schools, which can't possibly be better than charter schools. Or a voucher.

NP: Why not? Your disdain for traditional public does not appear to based in fact.

That was meant as sarcasm. Then again, with the stupid stuff people say these days I can see why it could be confused.

Ha! It did sound like the other vouchers-are-magic comments in this thread. And I didn'tget enough sleep last night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to this, if you want good public just move to Arlington. Forget DC.


https://k12.niche.com/rankings/public-elementary-schools/best-overall/m/washington-dc-metro-area/

That lists a lot of traditional public schools, which can't possibly be better than charter schools. Or a voucher.

NP: Why not? Your disdain for traditional public does not appear to based in fact.

That was meant as sarcasm. Then again, with the stupid stuff people say these days I can see why it could be confused.

Ha! It did sound like the other vouchers-are-magic comments in this thread. And I didn'tget enough sleep last night.

I've looked at some of the vouchers-are-magic comments previously, and thought they were sarcasm. But they were being serious. That's happening too much these days...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to this, if you want good public just move to Arlington. Forget DC.


https://k12.niche.com/rankings/public-elementary-schools/best-overall/m/washington-dc-metro-area/

That lists a lot of traditional public schools, which can't possibly be better than charter schools. Or a voucher.

NP: Why not? Your disdain for traditional public does not appear to based in fact.

That was meant as sarcasm. Then again, with the stupid stuff people say these days I can see why it could be confused.

Ha! It did sound like the other vouchers-are-magic comments in this thread. And I didn'tget enough sleep last night.

I've looked at some of the vouchers-are-magic comments previously, and thought they were sarcasm. But they were being serious. That's happening too much these days...

I know, right? That PP seriously just seems to think "vouchers are magic" is a viable policy position. Scary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You sound exactly like someone I know in the DCPS PRO office. But you live in Maryland like the rest of them, so why really do you care? You're just here for the paycheck.

response:

Again, please post a link to support your rambling diatribe that Catholic schools are superior to public schools. Name-calling is only proving my point.

According to this, it sure as heck isn't DCPS (HRCS's are the top 10):
https://k12.niche.com/rankings/public-elementary-s...verall/s/district-of-columbia/

According to this, "D.C. has the second to worst public school system in the United States".
http://wtop.com/dc/2015/07/study-d-c-ranks-near-bottom-u-s-school-systems/

So although I cannot find an article about how DC Catholic schools compare to DCPS, I think it's fair to say they have to be better because things in DCPS on a national level are about the worst.

[b]I'm here because I want vouchers to get something for my tax money and so people will stay in the city versus leaving. With vouchers, DC will become a magnet for the middle class.[/b]

The MIDDLE CLASS won't get vouchers!!! How many times does this point need to be made? Especially the "middle class" of DC. There's no (ZERO!) chance that any of the young gentrifiers of DC (the type that otherwise would
move to Bethesda or Arlington) will qualify for vouchers.

Ok, let's just take this guy at face value. If all the middle class in DC were to get vouchers that are priced to actually be able to afford private school or incentivize the creation of new private schools, that would mean that the vouchers would have to be around $30k, which is also about the amount of per-pupil spending in DC. At some point, DCPS would face a tipping point between rejecting the vouchers (and all federal funds) or having to cease operations because the vouchers were too expensive. Since only about 1/5 of per-pupil revenue comes from federal sources (5k), that tipping point would happen FAR before the 30k voucher program. Hence, DC would be likely to just stop taking federal funds before it would agree to a federal voucher program that would create a market for private schools for middle-class residents. The real losers in that situation would be kids with disabilities, since there would be no more IDEA funds or obligations, and high-risk kids, since there would be no more Title I funds for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to this, if you want good public just move to Arlington. Forget DC.


https://k12.niche.com/rankings/public-elementary-schools/best-overall/m/washington-dc-metro-area/

That lists a lot of traditional public schools, which can't possibly be better than charter schools. Or a voucher.

NP: Why not? Your disdain for traditional public does not appear to based in fact.

My disdain for DCPS and most charters in DC is that they SUCK, and that's what any survey will tell too.

[Anonymous]

30,000 per student in DC. that is what charters get and what dcps gets per student? Holy cow!

Yes, if you give me 30,000 per kid, I'm pretty sure I could arrange an excellent education for my kids. How can DCPS not? Basically, they could hire like one teacher for every 5 kids?

[Anonymous]

I think 40k is erroneous.

1. Newark Public Schools, New Jersey 30,742
2. Buffalo Public Schools, New York 29,023
3. Camden City Public Schools, New Jersey 26,826
4. District of Columbia Department of Education 26,661
5. East Orange School District, New Jersey 25,190

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:30,000 per student in DC. that is what charters get and what dcps gets per student? Holy cow!

Yes, if you give me 30,000 per kid, I'm pretty sure I could arrange an excellent education for my kids. How can DCPS not? Basically, they could hire like one teacher for every 5 kids?

That's not 30k going directly to instruction. It's everything else you need to manage a large organization. It's also an average - kids with more needs get more. There is much more to running a school district than paying a teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:30,000 per student in DC. that is what charters get and what dcps gets per student? Holy cow!

Yes, if you give me 30,000 per kid, I'm pretty sure I could arrange an excellent education for my kids. How can DCPS not? Basically, they could hire like one teacher for every 5 kids?

That's not 30k going directly to instruction. It's everything else you need to manage a large organization. It's also an average - kids with more needs get more. There is much more to running a school district than paying a teacher.

DC has one of the highest per-pupil spending of any school district. According to one study, DC has the highest per-pupil spending of any school district in the country. They pay teachers very highly for the area, so that explains some of the amount. The rest of it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:30,000 per student in DC. that is what charters get and what dcps gets per student? Holy cow!

Yes, if you give me 30,000 per kid, I'm pretty sure I could arrange an excellent education for my kids. How can DCPS not? Basically, they could hire like one teacher for every 5 kids?

That's not 30k going directly to instruction. It's everything else you need to manage a large organization. It's also an average - kids with more needs get more. There is much more to running a school district than paying a teacher.

DC has one of the highest per-pupil spending of any school district. According to one study, DC has the highest per-pupil spending of any school district in the country. They pay teachers very highly for the area, so that explains some of the amount. The rest of it?

5 kids is 80 grand for the teacher and like 50 grand left over for rent supplies lunch (for 5 kids) I'm thinking republicans just might have a point democrats and money etc. vouchers aren't the answer, but let's get cut central office overhead and get back to the basics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:30,000 per student in DC. that is what charters get and what dcps gets per student? Holy cow!

Yes, if you give me 30,000 per kid, I'm pretty sure I could arrange an excellent education for my kids. How can DCPS not? Basically, they could hire like one teacher for every 5 kids?

That's not 30k going directly to instruction. It's everything else you need to manage a large organization. It's also an average - kids with more needs get more. There is much more to running a school district than paying a teacher.

DC has one of the highest per-pupil spending of any school district. According to one study, DC has the highest per-pupil spending of any school district in the country. They pay teachers very highly for the area, so that explains some of the amount. The rest of it?

Oh jeez, really? Facilities, materials, special ed, computers, libraries, administrative costs like record keeping, lawyers, HR people, payroll people, etc etc etc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:30,000 per student in DC. that is what charters get and what dcps gets per student? Holy cow!

Yes, if you give me 30,000 per kid, I'm pretty sure I could arrange an excellent education for my kids. How can DCPS not? Basically, they could hire like one teacher for every 5 kids?

That's not 30k going directly to instruction. It's everything else you need to manage a large organization. It's also an average - kids with more needs get more. There is much more to running a school district than paying a teacher.

DC has one of the highest per-pupil spending of any school district. According to one study, DC has the highest per-pupil spending of any school district in the country. They pay teachers very highly for the area, so that explains some of the amount. The rest of it?

5 kids is 80 grand for the teacher and like 50 grand left over for rent supplies lunch (for 5 kids) I'm thinking republicans just might have a point democrats and money etc. vouchers aren't the answer, but let's get cut central office overhead and get back to the basics.

Sure, get back to me with your proposal about where cuts can be made. As for your budget - 80k salary is low, if you consider the cost of the health insurance and other benefits you'll have to provide. Rent is easier to find if you're only housing 6 people, but you better make sure it's up to code. You'd likely just be planning to use public playgrounds, so that's an externality you're not paying for and relying on other public agencies to pay for. What about your library, materials, etc? Also what about specialized courses like art, advanced math, etc? One teacher will teach all of that? Maybe ok for preschool, but probably not high school. Also what about liability insurance if anything happens. And what happens when one of those 5 students has a serious disability that costs a lot to serve? Funds for a reading specialist, physical therapist, speech therapist ... where will they come from?