Betsy DeVos and Vouchers - Yes!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If well-done, vouchers will be a boom to the middle class.

Finally you can decide between public, charters, essentially free parochials and very affordable private schools.

Dream about it.

There will be more for profit charters. That's all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Only if you hate public education.

We've hated public education for a long time in this country. That's why the charter school movement is so well funded and why teachers are so micromanaged.

To add to this, while DeVos won't be good, she won't be much worse than Duncan. The destruction of public education is a bipartisan movement; the Republicans are just a bit more direct about their loathing for it.

+1000. Arne Duncan was much worse than any of his GOPS predecessors. I'm a dyed in the wool liberal, but Duncan's work as Secretary of Ed left me feeling deeply nostalgic for my childhood in public schools, before Carter created the DOE in 1979.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's her handiwork in Detroit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/us/for-detroits-children-more-school-choice-but-not-better-schools.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/12/us/politics/betsy-devos-how-trumps-education-nominee-bent-detroit-to-her-will-on-charter-schools.html

Read it and weep. Or puke.

And conservative publications have a different view.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/442522/devos-and-detroits-charter-schools

Can you please link to the specific report and page you are referencing to back up your claims?

NP to this sub-discussion. It's common knowledge among folks who have been following the privatization movement that DeVos has a train of failures behind her (as do virtually all advocates of charters and privatization). I don't think any amount of linking will convince you; in the end, you either believe facts or find alternative ones, and the link you posted suggests you're firmly in the second camp.

Okay. All I know is my local public school has horrible ratings. Folks try hard, just doesn't seem to be working. Some charters appear to provide a better education based on test scores. Just want a good option for my kid that seems to be easily available to richer people. Can't afford to move. Oh well, the discussions here are so black and white.

Where are the moderates? President Obama supports charters. Met one of his top officials once that attended a D.C. private school on a scholarship since he was in a similar spot with his D.C. neighborhood. He was a wonderful person. Why is everything characterized as all good or all bad?

Does research back the lack of nuance in these discussions?

Obama was wrong on charters, as was his secretary of education Duncan. If you really are interested in this, go read some books by Diane Ravitch. Reign of Error is a modern classic in the field. The privatization movement is heavily supported by both Democrats and Republicans, which is part of what makes it so difficult to stop. And yes, the research not funded by testing companies is pretty unanimous about the corruption and ineffectiveness of charters and the actual issues facing public schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ It does. I want a safe environment. We don't have that, and that's a big problem. DCPS isn't going to make it safe, so time to divest and get vouchers to get something out of our tax money. Otherwise it's move to the'burbs, like what most of my neighborhood has done. Hopefully a DeVos program can re-invigorate our nations cities, because public schools are destroying them.

DC has vouchers now. Has it helped your child?

The PP's child was undoubtedly not eligible under the current program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^^ Well, well, well. Think of yourself only, why don't you. My kid got traumatized in DCPS as well as the entire class by unabated bullying. Get out of your limo-liberal safe-house and come over here, EotP.

Step 1. Privatize education
Step 2. Don't admit bullies
Step 3. No more bullies! EVER!

Fixed that for you, PP.

Seriously, private education is so much better than public education because it is selective. A school that must admit all children in a neighborhood will always have some children who undermine the school's efforts. If that number is small, it can be managed by the school. If it's too large, the school fails.

In DC, charter school must take all who apply and must use a lottery when too many applications are received. As a result, charter schools have not been a huge success either.

If the private schools that accept vouchers are allowed to be selective, they will succeed. Of course, the public schools that must take the kids who can't get in anywhere will probably be worse off. Then again, the schools might be better off because they can focus on their demographic and will probably have lots of special ed and at-risk plus ups.

Let's recognize that DCPS could have established gifted and talented programs and test-in magnets in science and math years ago. It chose not to as a matter of policy. As a result, it has very few high-performing schools in its portfolio.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If well-done, vouchers will be a boom to the middle class.

Finally you can decide between public, charters, essentially free parochials and very affordable private schools.

Dream about it.

There will be more for profit charters. That's all.

You're a moron.
The middle class aren't getting these vouchers. They haven't gotten vouchers in any program in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If well-done, vouchers will be a boom to the middle class.

Finally you can decide between public, charters, essentially free parochials and very affordable private schools.

Dream about it.

There will be more for profit charters. That's all.

You're a moron.
The middle class aren't getting these vouchers. They haven't gotten vouchers in any program in the US.

Correct. The vouchers proposed are for poorer Title I students, not the middle class.

Does anyone on this discussion thread actually read the R proposals or is everyone just rehashing their sides partisan talking points?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If well-done, vouchers will be a boom to the middle class.

Finally you can decide between public, charters, essentially free parochials and very affordable private schools.

Dream about it.

There will be more for profit charters. That's all.

You're a moron.
The middle class aren't getting these vouchers. They haven't gotten vouchers in any program in the US.

Correct. The vouchers proposed are for poorer Title I students, not the middle class.

Does anyone on this discussion thread actually read the R proposals or is everyone just rehashing their sides partisan talking points?

Are there specific R proposals on the table?

[Anonymous]

From Christian News Service:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/trumps-education-plan-school-choice-every-single-inner-city-child

From Education Week:

http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2017/01/20/6-key-federal-policy-areas-to-watch.html

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/26/president-trump-releases-national-school-choice-week-proclamation

[Anonymous]

You know, if the Archdiocese of DC wants to expand seats to take these supposed vouchers, fine with me. If Rocketship wants to be enabled to take over failing SE DCPSs, that's ok too. What we can't have is more crappy, private, for-profits that open up to shadily take over a public function without transparency or legal protections for the children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look, Ashley Carter remembered not to log in this time!

LOL! I had to go get this.


The privatization movement is sickening.

I had to bump this again. One, because after DeVos' confirmation we need a laugh. And two, this POS is someone we can do something about in 4 years and can call out her bull$hit every day until then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, Ashley Carter remembered not to log in this time!

LOL! I had to go get this.


The privatization movement is sickening.

I had to bump this again. One, because after DeVos' confirmation we need a laugh. And two, this POS is someone we can do something about in 4 years and can call out her bull$hit every day until then.

Call her BS everyday? Nice talk, but only 20 people bothered to show up at the Generation Progress rally in front of her new office on her first day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, Ashley Carter remembered not to log in this time!

LOL! I had to go get this.


The privatization movement is sickening.

I had to bump this again. One, because after DeVos' confirmation we need a laugh. And two, this POS is someone we can do something about in 4 years and can call out her bull$hit every day until then.

Call her BS everyday? Nice talk, but only 20 people bothered to show up at the Generation Progress rally in front of her new office on her first day.

So? I don't know anyone who heard about it or went, but I know a lot of people working to make sure she's out in four. Everyone is talking, and the talk is not goof for her. She is being used as the poster child for happens when we don't take our local vote seriously. Too many people voted blind and regret it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, Ashley Carter remembered not to log in this time!

LOL! I had to go get this.


The privatization movement is sickening.

I had to bump this again. One, because after DeVos' confirmation we need a laugh. And two, this POS is someone we can do something about in 4 years and can call out her bull$hit every day until then.

Call her BS everyday? Nice talk, but only 20 people bothered to show up at the Generation Progress rally in front of her new office on her first day.

So? I don't know anyone who heard about it or went, but I know a lot of people working to make sure she's out in four. Everyone is talking, and the talk is not goof for her. She is being used as the poster child for happens when we don't take our local vote seriously. Too many people voted blind and regret it.

Good luck. Maybe you don't follow the ed beat?

Let's be smart, but not overconfident.

Reagan's poll numbers were horrible in 82 and 83 and he still won in 1984.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^^ Well, well, well. Think of yourself only, why don't you. My kid got traumatized in DCPS as well as the entire class by unabated bullying. Get out of your limo-liberal safe-house and come over here, EotP.

Step 1. Privatize education
Step 2. Don't admit bullies
Step 3. No more bullies! EVER!

Fixed that for you, PP.

Seriously, private education is so much better than public education because it is selective. A school that must admit all children in a neighborhood will always have some children who undermine the school's efforts. If that number is small, it can be managed by the school. If it's too large, the school fails.

In DC, charter school must take all who apply and must use a lottery when too many applications are received. As a result, charter schools have not been a huge success either.

If the private schools that accept vouchers are allowed to be selective, they will succeed. Of course, the public schools that must take the kids who can't get in anywhere will probably be worse off. Then again, the schools might be better off because they can focus on their demographic and will probably have lots of special ed and at-risk plus ups.

Let's recognize that DCPS could have established gifted and talented programs and test-in magnets in science and math years ago. It chose not to as a matter of policy. As a result, it has very few high-performing schools in its portfolio.

Yes, let's. This Boston Latin alum from a low SES background couldn't agree more, PP. DCPS could also have established GT test-in magnets in humanities, like the one at Eastern MS in Silver Spring. SWW, Banneker and Wilson suffer without high-performing middle schools feeding into them. No need to wait five or ten years for Deal to deliver.