Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In parenting you cannot just change your mind and suddenly decide you want your kid. The girl belongs with the family that always wanted her and tended to her during the most trying and difficult times (infancy).

Wrong. You don't get to keep someone else's kid because you think you want them more.

Seriously!

Plus these people had her during infancy because they fought the bio-dad who wanted her!

The arrogance is quite astounding. I couldn't imagine wanting to adopt a child so much that I'd intentionally keep them away from a willing and stable biological Dad. Arguing that he didn't help enough during the pregnancy or 4 months of life is not good enough. Let this child stay with her biological Dad who she surely knows as Dad now.

It is beyond arrogance it is unconscionable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question: If the child is on a reservation, is the US govt allowed to go and collect her? Are reservations their own "govt"?

Did you check the internet on your own before you posted this question? Go and collect her?

[Anonymous]

The a-hole "adoptive" parents went to Oklahoma earlier this week in an attempt to "colect" her. They brought Troy Dun with them who ironically is a man who makes millions reuniting adult adoptees with their birth families. I guess he wants the Capobianco's to get Veronica back so he has her as a paying customer in 15 years. These adoptive parents seem crazy-who the hell would go to these lengths to take a child from their parent. Entitled, rich, a-holes!

[Anonymous]

Regardless of what nationality the child is, she has a right to grow up with her bio dad. He contested the adoption as soon as he learned of it (baby was 4 months old). He did NOT sign over his rights...he signed an acceptance of service and custody over to the bio mom. Giving over custody to the other parent is very common when you are in the military and deploying. He was duped by the fraudelent parties involved in this adoption, starting with the bio mom, the agency, the couple and all the attorneys involved.

[Anonymous]

This case should be decided by Cherokee law and/or Oklahoma courts. White people (and I am white) should stop stealing AA, Asian, Hispanic. and all children of ethnic backgrounds. Just because whites generally have a lot more money should not be a license to steal children.

[Anonymous]

I don't presume to know what the "right" answer is in regards to custody. And this case is an example of how few rights unmarried fathers have. Perhaps those laws should be changed. But...

I don't think it's fair that ICWA allowed the birth father custody. Why should he have been allowed an exception to the laws, just because of his heritage? He gave no support to the birth mom during pregnancy or afterward. According to some states (including the state where the adoption took place), that limits your paternal rights.

Also, even if all parties had agreed to an open adoption, ICWA states that the child would have to be placed with a Native American family. This would happen regardless of the parents' wishes or other races/ethnicites of the child. Such stringent rules don't seem necessary and can infringe on parental rights.

I also think it wad horribly cruel that the birth father took the child away from the only home she had ever known without any transition period. He was a complete stranger when he took het, and it broke my heart when I heard how it was handled. Not in the child's best interest, and I don't think it says much about his character.

And I'm not sure how he is allowed to go against court rulings now. Maybe lawyers could adress this, but its my understanding that this is completely unusual that he has so far disregarded the court system and that he ls allowed to so so.

There is no winner in this case, and I hope the parties meeting brings about some resolution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question: If the child is on a reservation, is the US govt allowed to go and collect her? Are reservations their own "govt"?

I don't know if the "US Gov't" is allowed, but I imagine that some authorities might be able to. Mr. Brown is technically kidnapping Veronica, and holding the girl against her parents (the Capobiancos) will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dads everywhere in this country need to beware of barren bitches. They will covet your kids, and buy then if they can.

You are pure evil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This case should be decided by Cherokee law and/or Oklahoma courts. White people (and I am white) should stop stealing AA, Asian, Hispanic. and all children of ethnic backgrounds. Just because whites generally have a lot more money should not be a license to steal children.

You should just say, "Hi, I'm a moron." It's shorter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dads everywhere in this country need to beware of barren bitches. They will covet your kids, and buy then if they can.

You are pure evil.

The truth is not always easy to take, is it? Hit you right in the
Solar plexis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This case should be decided by Cherokee law and/or Oklahoma courts. White people (and I am white) should stop stealing AA, Asian, Hispanic. and all children of ethnic backgrounds. Just because whites generally have a lot more money should not be a license to steal children.

You should just say, "Hi, I'm a moron." It's shorter.

Truth hit you in solar plexis, too, didn't it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't presume to know what the "right" answer is in regards to custody. And this case is an example of how few rights unmarried fathers have. Perhaps those laws should be changed. But...

I don't think it's fair that ICWA allowed the birth father custody. Why should he have been allowed an exception to the laws, just because of his heritage? He gave no support to the birth mom during pregnancy or afterward. According to some states (including the state where the adoption took place), that limits your paternal rights.

Also, even if all parties had agreed to an open adoption, ICWA states that the child would have to be placed with a Native American family. This would happen regardless of the parents' wishes or other races/ethnicites of the child. Such stringent rules don't seem necessary and can infringe on parental rights.

I also think it wad horribly cruel that the birth father took the child away from the only home she had ever known without any transition period. He was a complete stranger when he took het, and it broke my heart when I heard how it was handled. Not in the child's best interest, and I don't think it says much about his character.

And I'm not sure how he is allowed to go against court rulings now. Maybe lawyers could adress this, but its my understanding that this is completely unusual that he has so far disregarded the court system and that he ls allowed to so so.

There is no winner in this case, and I hope the parties meeting brings about some resolution.

Your logic makes no sense. Do I think there should be an exception for heritage? No. However, I think this man should get his child back as this was an improper, illegal adoption that he did not consent to. The family, birthmother and attorney's acted very improperly as previously stated. I absolutely think it was right to return the child home and the child should have been returned at 4 months. They kept her knowing that this was an at-risk adoption and acted wrongly. They care more about themselves than the child. Long transitions make it far harder on kids than quick ones as they are picking up on the stress of the adults. 1-2 visits is best (having been in this kind of situation). They disregarded previous court orders, basically doing what he is doing now. I don't blame him. I would not hand over the child either. He is not the birthfather. He is this child's father, not a stranger. I say this as a mother through adoption. This adoption was horrible and the courts should have never allowed it in the first place. THis child belongs with her biological family and these people are nothing more than court approved kidnappers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't presume to know what the "right" answer is in regards to custody. And this case is an example of how few rights unmarried fathers have. Perhaps those laws should be changed. But...

I don't think it's fair that ICWA allowed the birth father custody. Why should he have been allowed an exception to the laws, just because of his heritage? He gave no support to the birth mom during pregnancy or afterward. According to some states (including the state where the adoption took place), that limits your paternal rights.

Also, even if all parties had agreed to an open adoption, ICWA states that the child would have to be placed with a Native American family. This would happen regardless of the parents' wishes or other races/ethnicites of the child. Such stringent rules don't seem necessary and can infringe on parental rights.

I also think it wad horribly cruel that the birth father took the child away from the only home she had ever known without any transition period. He was a complete stranger when he took het, and it broke my heart when I heard how it was handled. Not in the child's best interest, and I don't think it says much about his character.

And I'm not sure how he is allowed to go against court rulings now. Maybe lawyers could adress this, but its my understanding that this is completely unusual that he has so far disregarded the court system and that he ls allowed to so so.

There is no winner in this case, and I hope the parties meeting brings about some resolution.

the man asserted his rights when the baby was an infant -- the pre-adoptive parents dragged this whole thing out...that's why they were with them for so long

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This case should be decided by Cherokee law and/or Oklahoma courts. White people (and I am white) should stop stealing AA, Asian, Hispanic. and all children of ethnic backgrounds. Just because whites generally have a lot more money should not be a license to steal children.

This is a joke, right? The fact that the child is part Cherokee is totally irrelevant.

News flash: The Cherokee are Americans and issues like this are decided in state/ federal courts.

[Anonymous]

Veronica is 1/64th Cherokee. It's one thing to argue on behalf of the bio dad, but it's another thing to pretend like 1/64th of her background is somehow relevant to determining the rest of her life.