FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.


They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.


This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.


There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.


I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.


Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.


Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.


Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.


No they won't, that's the point. Scenario 1 breaks up Crossfield neighborhoods. Four districts will have buses going down the same street. Crossfield shouldn't be a 3/4-way split feeder (Carson, Franklin, Hughes) (Skyview, Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly). Not to mention, a lot of these kids that are 6th graders now, will have to go to Carson for 1 year and then switch to another new school (Franklin) with a whole other group of new kids. They won't have the 2 years in MS to make friends going into HS.


Yes, this is exactly right. Scenario 1 turns Crossfield into a giant split feeder and has kids switching middle schools. It's not good. There's just no continuity here.


they aren’t splitting up middle schools. if a kid starts in a Ms they can stay there. will just have to provide transportation


Telling someone they can stay at the MS they started at if their parents provide transportation is honestly incredibly unrealistic. Sure, it sounds nice, but tell me how many dual-income households have the bandwidth for someone to drive a kid to and from school every single day?


You find the closest bus route and ask for permission for the kids to ride that bus to the MS. Skyview Admin was telling parents who were worried about transportation for next year how to work this process. Fox Mill families were planning to identify the Floris bus stops and use those if Fox Mill was not moved. It would have been a short walk for about half of the families and a 2 minute drive for the other half.


"For AP" kids need permission to use the busses for transportation. Permission's purportedly only granted if there's capacity at the specified stop.
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Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight, but going down to just 2,000 seems way better than being over 2,700.

Seems like some Westfield posters are trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.


There are several issues at play--the SES makeup of the 2000 who will be attending, the impact of losing so many staff and students, and the fiscal common sense of leaving 800 open seats at a school.

2000 students works for Langley b/c of the makeup of its student body.

The SB and FCPS seem to be deliberately setting Westfield up for failure to protect other areas.



Agreed entirely, but it seems consultants have been told to just use butts rather than consider SES of the butts when they play around moving kids. Had they included SES, there's simply no way they'd ever pull Fox Mill from SLHS while leaving Crossfield at Oakton or not move Walney Oaks, etc. as part of the backfill to Westfield.


Except that FMES students are also helping balance out Skyview’s FARMS with Coates and McNair, and with Skyview being so close and having AP, the pupil placing would be astronomical. Might as well just put them there.


Crossfield's students would do just fine as a replacement for FMES. That way they'd not be endangering SLHS and it's not like Oakton would miss the poors from Crossfield.


I thought Crossfield's economically disadvantaged rate was low, like single digits low...

https://www.greatschools.org/virginia/herndon/640-Crossfield-Elementary-School/
https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/virginia/crossfield-elementary-206158
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Anonymous wrote:Get rid of IB. People have been screaming this for over 20 years.

There used to be information on the cost difference to FCPS and it was significant. However, I cannot seem to find it now.


Or do what Loudon and Arlington do and make IB opt in. They house the program at specific schools and the kids who are interested in IB apply for the program. In applying, they are agreeing to pursue the IB Diploma. They are provided transportation to the school closest to them that provides IB. Set one IB school for the North, South, East, and West of FCPS and kids can opt into that program. Have a full AP program for all of the other students in the school. Kids who want IB can make the choice to attend an IB school, parents don't have to worry about transportation, everyone else can do AP.

The parents who want a school within a school or really value IB can send their kids to those schools. Everyone else has AP.


Please stop. They are not getting rid of IB. They love IB and faithfully renew the contract with the IBO every year. Getting rid of IB is not on their radar and certainly won’t affect the Skyview boundaries. If anything, moving Fox Mill to Skyview locks them into keeping IB at South Lakes, because South Lakes’ maintaining a reasonable enrollment becomes more dependent on a large number of transfers “for IB” every year from Herndon.


I think what'll be interesting to watch is with SLHS moving back to similar to the old pre-2008 boundaries is the school going to tank again. Pre-2008 there wasn't much of a reputational difference between Herndon and South Lakes, so I don't know how many would use IB to transfer from Herndon to South Lakes now...


Hard to believe but Herndon used to be a tad better than SLHS.

Stu Gibson (then Hunter Mills board member) moved Fox Mill from Oakton to SLHS despite the community opposition. SLHS became a mediocre school (used to be bad).

Town of Herndon went downwhill mainly because of a large inflow of illegals. HHS became bad.

Many HHS kids transfer to SLHS for the IB program. This is only case I know where a large number of students opting for an IB school from an AP school.


Oakton is in the Providence District. Gibson wouldn't have been able to orchestrate the South Lakes boundary changes in 2008 without the support of other School Board members, including Janie Strauss (Dranesville), who got assurances that Langley and Herndon would be left alone, Phil Niedzielski-Eichner (Providence), who got part of Chantilly moved to Oakton in exchange for moving part of Oakton to South Lakes (he was worried Oakton's sports teams would decline without additional bodies), and Kathy Smith (Sully), who went along with the others and got rewarded in other ways.


Yup.

That's the key difference. Meren doesn't seem to have many allies in the board.

Fox Mill was screwed in 2008. Maybe a better luck this time.


Fox Mill was merely screwed, Floris was royally so.
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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.


They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.


This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.


There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.


I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.


Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.


Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.


Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.


No they won't, that's the point. Scenario 1 breaks up Crossfield neighborhoods. Four districts will have buses going down the same street. Crossfield shouldn't be a 3/4-way split feeder (Carson, Franklin, Hughes) (Skyview, Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly). Not to mention, a lot of these kids that are 6th graders now, will have to go to Carson for 1 year and then switch to another new school (Franklin) with a whole other group of new kids. They won't have the 2 years in MS to make friends going into HS.


Yes, this is exactly right. Scenario 1 turns Crossfield into a giant split feeder and has kids switching middle schools. It's not good. There's just no continuity here.


they aren’t splitting up middle schools. if a kid starts in a Ms they can stay there. will just have to provide transportation


Telling someone they can stay at the MS they started at if their parents provide transportation is honestly incredibly unrealistic. Sure, it sounds nice, but tell me how many dual-income households have the bandwidth for someone to drive a kid to and from school every single day?


You find the closest bus route and ask for permission for the kids to ride that bus to the MS. Skyview Admin was telling parents who were worried about transportation for next year how to work this process. Fox Mill families were planning to identify the Floris bus stops and use those if Fox Mill was not moved. It would have been a short walk for about half of the families and a 2 minute drive for the other half.


"For AP" kids need permission to use the busses for transportation. Permission's purportedly only granted if there's capacity at the specified stop.


Yes, Admin seemed to think that there would be room on the busses and suggested that parents apply for that special permission.

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Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight, but going down to just 2,000 seems way better than being over 2,700.

Seems like some Westfield posters are trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.


There are several issues at play--the SES makeup of the 2000 who will be attending, the impact of losing so many staff and students, and the fiscal common sense of leaving 800 open seats at a school.

2000 students works for Langley b/c of the makeup of its student body.

The SB and FCPS seem to be deliberately setting Westfield up for failure to protect other areas.



Agreed entirely, but it seems consultants have been told to just use butts rather than consider SES of the butts when they play around moving kids. Had they included SES, there's simply no way they'd ever pull Fox Mill from SLHS while leaving Crossfield at Oakton or not move Walney Oaks, etc. as part of the backfill to Westfield.


Except that FMES students are also helping balance out Skyview’s FARMS with Coates and McNair, and with Skyview being so close and having AP, the pupil placing would be astronomical. Might as well just put them there.


Crossfield's students would do just fine as a replacement for FMES. That way they'd not be endangering SLHS and it's not like Oakton would miss the poors from Crossfield.


I thought Crossfield's economically disadvantaged rate was low, like single digits low...

https://www.greatschools.org/virginia/herndon/640-Crossfield-Elementary-School/
https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/virginia/crossfield-elementary-206158


Real Oakton kids fly private jets to Vail, Crossfield kids are in cattle class.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a Westfield parent but I agree that FCPS needs to put some kind of high level academic programming into the building to get kids wanting to attend. Adding academy classes doesn't help the Westfield community b/c those kids just come in for one class.

Also, its refreshing that they aren't out whining like all these other groups had/were/did. Makes me much more sympathetic to how they are getting d!cked over here by FCPS.


I'm a Floris/Westfield parent with one kid attending Westfield next year and the other attending Skyview. After three years there the older one has pretty much given up on getting a quality education so the bar is set pretty low.


All the more reason to put some more academic programming in at Westfield. It sounds like for whatever reason, this school has not gotten sufficient resources or attention from FCPS.


You're smoking crack if you think they are going to reduce the enrollment at Westfield by 25% (2800 to 2100) and give the school more academic resources. It will lose teachers and it will have to fight to retain some of its current electives. There's a fixed pot of money and now some of that money will be going to Skyview instead, and that could be an expensive start-up given the types of electives they want to offer there.

The complaints around Westfield seem to relate to the commutes (being addressed), the demographics (although WHS mirrors the HS demographics in FCPS now fairly closely) and the senior leadership. They should revisit the demographic impact of the boundary changes they are now considering, and they can and should make sure it has a better administrative team than it's had for past decade or so.


But why should the kids in boundary for Westfield suffer or be given less access? If the SB is willing to finish this process without adequately addressing utilization rates, including demographics, which was the whole point of this, they should be willing to ensure all FCPS students have equal access to programming.
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Anonymous wrote:Get rid of IB. People have been screaming this for over 20 years.

There used to be information on the cost difference to FCPS and it was significant. However, I cannot seem to find it now.


Or do what Loudon and Arlington do and make IB opt in. They house the program at specific schools and the kids who are interested in IB apply for the program. In applying, they are agreeing to pursue the IB Diploma. They are provided transportation to the school closest to them that provides IB. Set one IB school for the North, South, East, and West of FCPS and kids can opt into that program. Have a full AP program for all of the other students in the school. Kids who want IB can make the choice to attend an IB school, parents don't have to worry about transportation, everyone else can do AP.

The parents who want a school within a school or really value IB can send their kids to those schools. Everyone else has AP.


Please stop. They are not getting rid of IB. They love IB and faithfully renew the contract with the IBO every year. Getting rid of IB is not on their radar and certainly won’t affect the Skyview boundaries. If anything, moving Fox Mill to Skyview locks them into keeping IB at South Lakes, because South Lakes’ maintaining a reasonable enrollment becomes more dependent on a large number of transfers “for IB” every year from Herndon.


I think what'll be interesting to watch is with SLHS moving back to similar to the old pre-2008 boundaries is the school going to tank again. Pre-2008 there wasn't much of a reputational difference between Herndon and South Lakes, so I don't know how many would use IB to transfer from Herndon to South Lakes now...


Hard to believe but Herndon used to be a tad better than SLHS.

Stu Gibson (then Hunter Mills board member) moved Fox Mill from Oakton to SLHS despite the community opposition. SLHS became a mediocre school (used to be bad).

Town of Herndon went downwhill mainly because of a large inflow of illegals. HHS became bad.

Many HHS kids transfer to SLHS for the IB program. This is only case I know where a large number of students opting for an IB school from an AP school.


Oakton is in the Providence District. Gibson wouldn't have been able to orchestrate the South Lakes boundary changes in 2008 without the support of other School Board members, including Janie Strauss (Dranesville), who got assurances that Langley and Herndon would be left alone, Phil Niedzielski-Eichner (Providence), who got part of Chantilly moved to Oakton in exchange for moving part of Oakton to South Lakes (he was worried Oakton's sports teams would decline without additional bodies), and Kathy Smith (Sully), who went along with the others and got rewarded in other ways.


Yup.

That's the key difference. Meren doesn't seem to have many allies in the board.

Fox Mill was screwed in 2008. Maybe a better luck this time.



I remember this well. You Gibson was Hunter Mill. In those days, SB member for the district was powerful. This was orchestrated by Gibson with Smith. They were tight. Phil had some say, but not as much. Remember, Crossfield is mostly Sully district families. SB members were very involved. Neighborhoods had meetings with school board members. They contacted other members than their own in order to convince them of certain moves--or mostly--non-moves.
Except for South Lakes, most of the communities were blindsided. We were stunned to learn that our community might be moved. Remember, we did not have youtube meetings or work sessions in those days. You had to attend the work sessions to know what was happening.
I think this is when I started paying attention to the School board.
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Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight, but going down to just 2,000 seems way better than being over 2,700.

Seems like some Westfield posters are trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.


There are several issues at play--the SES makeup of the 2000 who will be attending, the impact of losing so many staff and students, and the fiscal common sense of leaving 800 open seats at a school.

2000 students works for Langley b/c of the makeup of its student body.

The SB and FCPS seem to be deliberately setting Westfield up for failure to protect other areas.



Agreed entirely, but it seems consultants have been told to just use butts rather than consider SES of the butts when they play around moving kids. Had they included SES, there's simply no way they'd ever pull Fox Mill from SLHS while leaving Crossfield at Oakton or not move Walney Oaks, etc. as part of the backfill to Westfield.


Except that FMES students are also helping balance out Skyview’s FARMS with Coates and McNair, and with Skyview being so close and having AP, the pupil placing would be astronomical. Might as well just put them there.


Crossfield's students would do just fine as a replacement for FMES. That way they'd not be endangering SLHS and it's not like Oakton would miss the poors from Crossfield.


I thought Crossfield's economically disadvantaged rate was low, like single digits low...

https://www.greatschools.org/virginia/herndon/640-Crossfield-Elementary-School/
https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/virginia/crossfield-elementary-206158


DP, but I think the point is that the difference between the FARMS rate at Fox Mill (9%) and South Lakes (30%) is greater than the difference between the FARMS rates at Crossfield (6%) and Oakton (14%). Therefore, replacing Fox Mill with Crossfield at South Lakes would more or less maintain the status quo at South Lakes, without having a big impact at Oakton. The FARMS rate at South Lakes would go down slightly and the FARMS rate at Oakton would go up slightly, but not to the extent that the FARMS rate at South Lakes will go up if they pull out Fox Mill without adding kids from a similar school.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a Westfield parent but I agree that FCPS needs to put some kind of high level academic programming into the building to get kids wanting to attend. Adding academy classes doesn't help the Westfield community b/c those kids just come in for one class.

Also, its refreshing that they aren't out whining like all these other groups had/were/did. Makes me much more sympathetic to how they are getting d!cked over here by FCPS.


I'm a Floris/Westfield parent with one kid attending Westfield next year and the other attending Skyview. After three years there the older one has pretty much given up on getting a quality education so the bar is set pretty low.


All the more reason to put some more academic programming in at Westfield. It sounds like for whatever reason, this school has not gotten sufficient resources or attention from FCPS.


You're smoking crack if you think they are going to reduce the enrollment at Westfield by 25% (2800 to 2100) and give the school more academic resources. It will lose teachers and it will have to fight to retain some of its current electives. There's a fixed pot of money and now some of that money will be going to Skyview instead, and that could be an expensive start-up given the types of electives they want to offer there.

The complaints around Westfield seem to relate to the commutes (being addressed), the demographics (although WHS mirrors the HS demographics in FCPS now fairly closely) and the senior leadership. They should revisit the demographic impact of the boundary changes they are now considering, and they can and should make sure it has a better administrative team than it's had for past decade or so.


But why should the kids in boundary for Westfield suffer or be given less access? If the SB is willing to finish this process without adequately addressing utilization rates, including demographics, which was the whole point of this, they should be willing to ensure all FCPS students have equal access to programming.


DP. I wonder how much of this could be resolved by using a slider on the minimum of 32 students needed to fill an AP class. 24-25, or even lower, should be used for smaller schools.
32 seems to be based on realities at large schools but should adjusted lower for smaller schools.
And honestly, 32 kids is too many for one class.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a Westfield parent but I agree that FCPS needs to put some kind of high level academic programming into the building to get kids wanting to attend. Adding academy classes doesn't help the Westfield community b/c those kids just come in for one class.

Also, its refreshing that they aren't out whining like all these other groups had/were/did. Makes me much more sympathetic to how they are getting d!cked over here by FCPS.


I'm a Floris/Westfield parent with one kid attending Westfield next year and the other attending Skyview. After three years there the older one has pretty much given up on getting a quality education so the bar is set pretty low.


All the more reason to put some more academic programming in at Westfield. It sounds like for whatever reason, this school has not gotten sufficient resources or attention from FCPS.


You're smoking crack if you think they are going to reduce the enrollment at Westfield by 25% (2800 to 2100) and give the school more academic resources. It will lose teachers and it will have to fight to retain some of its current electives. There's a fixed pot of money and now some of that money will be going to Skyview instead, and that could be an expensive start-up given the types of electives they want to offer there.

The complaints around Westfield seem to relate to the commutes (being addressed), the demographics (although WHS mirrors the HS demographics in FCPS now fairly closely) and the senior leadership. They should revisit the demographic impact of the boundary changes they are now considering, and they can and should make sure it has a better administrative team than it's had for past decade or so.


But why should the kids in boundary for Westfield suffer or be given less access? If the SB is willing to finish this process without adequately addressing utilization rates, including demographics, which was the whole point of this, they should be willing to ensure all FCPS students have equal access to programming.


Those are different concepts.

Utilization: They could establish a clear range and say that every high school within the scope of the Skyview boundary study should end up above 85% utilization and below 105% utilization. That would have been reasonable, but they haven't done that. The failure to do so strikes many of us as a serious flaw.

Demographics: They will tell you, presumably in part for legal reasons, that they don't consider demographics when considering boundary adjustments. They will claim they just look at the number of kids living in various SPAs (School Planning Areas). But that's kind of a hollow claim, because even if they don't consider demographics directly, they allow themselves to be heavily influenced by parents and residents who are very much influenced by demographics. Other school systems like APS and MCPS are far more transparent than FCPS has been about the impact of potential boundary changes on racial demographics and FARMS rates. That tells me that there's no legal impediment to preparing and sharing that information - which people will try to figure out on their own - so long as they don't create a paper trail that they are making decisions based on race.

Equal Access to Programming: This phrase is used in FCPS's boundary policy (Policy 8130), but no one really knows what it means. It seems to mean assurance that all kids will have access to some basic level of programming. But kids don't have equal access to programming today - TJ kids have access to STEM courses not available to other students, Langley students have access to foreign language courses that is not available to other students, etc. One thing we know for sure is that if they slash Westfield's enrollment significantly, they are not somehow going to feel obligated to "make it up" to Westfield by offering things there that weren't available there before. They have a fixed budget and some of the money that was being spent on academics at Westfield is now going to get spent at Skyview instead. Over time, they could offer something new at Westfield, but most likely it will mean something else has been or will be taken away.
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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.


They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs.
They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.


This is not a thing. The houses zoned to Skyview (in the other half of FF, in Chantilly Highlands, and the surrounding neighborhoods) cost the same as if not more than your precious Crossfield homes.


You can believe what you want to believe and it should be ok for crossfield folks believe what they believe. The point is, it's understandable for them to want to get what they chose. Btw, I am not a crossfield parent. If you are not either, do not pretend you know better than them about their area.


Oh, you're a Navy mom. Your school is not guaranteed, everyone knows that, silly.
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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.


They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs.
They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.


This is not a thing. The houses zoned to Skyview (in the other half of FF, in Chantilly Highlands, and the surrounding neighborhoods) cost the same as if not more than your precious Crossfield homes.


You can believe what you want to believe and it should be ok for crossfield folks believe what they believe. The point is, it's understandable for them to want to get what they chose. Btw, I am not a crossfield parent. If you are not either, do not pretend you know better than them about their area.


Oh, you're a Navy mom. Your school is not guaranteed, everyone knows that, silly.


You sound so sour in many of your comments. Been sarcastic to other people won't make your life better.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a Westfield parent but I agree that FCPS needs to put some kind of high level academic programming into the building to get kids wanting to attend. Adding academy classes doesn't help the Westfield community b/c those kids just come in for one class.

Also, its refreshing that they aren't out whining like all these other groups had/were/did. Makes me much more sympathetic to how they are getting d!cked over here by FCPS.


I'm a Floris/Westfield parent with one kid attending Westfield next year and the other attending Skyview. After three years there the older one has pretty much given up on getting a quality education so the bar is set pretty low.


All the more reason to put some more academic programming in at Westfield. It sounds like for whatever reason, this school has not gotten sufficient resources or attention from FCPS.


You're smoking crack if you think they are going to reduce the enrollment at Westfield by 25% (2800 to 2100) and give the school more academic resources. It will lose teachers and it will have to fight to retain some of its current electives. There's a fixed pot of money and now some of that money will be going to Skyview instead, and that could be an expensive start-up given the types of electives they want to offer there.

The complaints around Westfield seem to relate to the commutes (being addressed), the demographics (although WHS mirrors the HS demographics in FCPS now fairly closely) and the senior leadership. They should revisit the demographic impact of the boundary changes they are now considering, and they can and should make sure it has a better administrative team than it's had for past decade or so.


But why should the kids in boundary for Westfield suffer or be given less access? If the SB is willing to finish this process without adequately addressing utilization rates, including demographics, which was the whole point of this, they should be willing to ensure all FCPS students have equal access to programming.


Those are different concepts.

Utilization: They could establish a clear range and say that every high school within the scope of the Skyview boundary study should end up above 85% utilization and below 105% utilization. That would have been reasonable, but they haven't done that. The failure to do so strikes many of us as a serious flaw.

Demographics: They will tell you, presumably in part for legal reasons, that they don't consider demographics when considering boundary adjustments. They will claim they just look at the number of kids living in various SPAs (School Planning Areas). But that's kind of a hollow claim, because even if they don't consider demographics directly, they allow themselves to be heavily influenced by parents and residents who are very much influenced by demographics. Other school systems like APS and MCPS are far more transparent than FCPS has been about the impact of potential boundary changes on racial demographics and FARMS rates. That tells me that there's no legal impediment to preparing and sharing that information - which people will try to figure out on their own - so long as they don't create a paper trail that they are making decisions based on race.

Equal Access to Programming: This phrase is used in FCPS's boundary policy (Policy 8130), but no one really knows what it means. It seems to mean assurance that all kids will have access to some basic level of programming. But kids don't have equal access to programming today - TJ kids have access to STEM courses not available to other students, Langley students have access to foreign language courses that is not available to other students, etc. One thing we know for sure is that if they slash Westfield's enrollment significantly, they are not somehow going to feel obligated to "make it up" to Westfield by offering things there that weren't available there before. They have a fixed budget and some of the money that was being spent on academics at Westfield is now going to get spent at Skyview instead. Over time, they could offer something new at Westfield, but most likely it will mean something else has been or will be taken away.


Every school plans based on interest and availability. Just because it is a very large school, does not mean your child gets in the class. DD wanted to take two classes that were offered once a day: a drama class and an AP language class that was not Spanish. They were taught at the same time and so she took a different elective instead of drama. This happens across lots of disciplines.

If there is a greater demand for a language, the school is more likely to offer it. But, not always.

I would expect that all core AP classes would be offered at every school. Is this not true?
I do think that some advanced math classes are problematic at IB schools.

When I went to high school, we did not have so many options.
276 in my graduating class. One member ended up with 2 championship Super Bowl rings and another (the valedictorian) became a leading AIDS researcher as an MD. All things are possible.
By the way, this was a brand new high school. No senior class until I was a junior.
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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.


They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs.
They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.


This is not a thing. The houses zoned to Skyview (in the other half of FF, in Chantilly Highlands, and the surrounding neighborhoods) cost the same as if not more than your precious Crossfield homes.


You can believe what you want to believe and it should be ok for crossfield folks believe what they believe. The point is, it's understandable for them to want to get what they chose. Btw, I am not a crossfield parent. If you are not either, do not pretend you know better than them about their area.


Oh, you're a Navy mom. Your school is not guaranteed, everyone knows that, silly.


Your kids are forced to join a new school every year! Or wait, every quarter they swap schools!
Maybe it was every week?
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