VT is Out

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Anonymous wrote:One thing the host says on YCBK that is very true is “respect the competition”. Sure, your kid is great but there are tons of great kids for a million reasons and they can’t all get a spot.

+1 VT clearly doesn't just want the highest-stats kids. They have a threshold, probably a mix of grades, scores if available, and aspects of the transcript that align with the major, and above that threshold the essays hold huge weight.

DS got in a couple years ago. Not the highest stats but strong in math and related subjects, applied to a major where that mattered (not engineering), used the essays to show deep involvement in service + how the major at VT supported his career goal. He essentially used the "goal" questions as a "why VT" opportunity, which was recommended by an admissions officer in an info session. He explained his career goal, what he'd done to inform his choice of that major and why he wanted the VT program.

+1 on VT wanting service and community impact to shine through. DS was accepted - FCPS HS, 4.3wGPA, IB courses, engineering. He spent a lot of time on those short essays on service and career goals. It also seemed that lots of EA acceptances at his HS were for those in the HL IB Science courses (FWIW).

[Anonymous]

In state DC also got waitlisted with straight As throughout high school, highest rigor across all subjects, NMSF and 1570 on SAT. Solid extracurriculars. Interested in VT, not first choice, but then doesn’t have one clear first choice and would be happy to go to a number of schools. The WL is so perplexing. Doesn’t VT want to take academically strong kids, especially in state ones? What is the mission of the school if they don’t want to take kids who will clearly be able to handle a challenging workload? Happy for kids who got in, but not understanding what is the point of a state school yield protecting.

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Anonymous wrote:In state DC also got waitlisted with straight As throughout high school, highest rigor across all subjects, NMSF and 1570 on SAT. Solid extracurriculars. Interested in VT, not first choice, but then doesn’t have one clear first choice and would be happy to go to a number of schools. The WL is so perplexing. Doesn’t VT want to take academically strong kids, especially in state ones? What is the mission of the school if they don’t want to take kids who will clearly be able to handle a challenging workload? Happy for kids who got in, but not understanding what is the point of a state school yield protecting.

What you just described is a dime a dozen. Your fundamental miscalculation is assuming that the applicant pool isn’t largely comprised of qualified students, just like what you just described. They have more qualified kids than seats. It’s not yielding protection and it’s not that your kid wasn’t qualified. Your kid was boring. Lots of qualified yet boring kids don’t get in.

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DS waitlisted. 3.9 gpa, 1320 SAT and it was probably a reach but not his top choice. He is accepted at all 5 of the other schools he applied to so lots of good choices. Good luck to all!

So sorry! I bet they are doing some yield protection...

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DS waitlisted. 3.9 gpa, 1320 SAT and it was probably a reach but not his top choice. He is accepted at all 5 of the other schools he applied to so lots of good choices. Good luck to all!

So sorry! I bet they are doing some yield protection...

So sorry! It’s hard when you don’t get in so you start making up silly conspiracy theories like yield protection.

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Anonymous wrote:In for Engineering for public. 1580 SAT. 4.98uw/4.0w. Had really liked the school during visit, and hoping for scholarships to off-set OOS cost.

The scholarship is 3K for OOS for most.

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Anonymous wrote:In state DC also got waitlisted with straight As throughout high school, highest rigor across all subjects, NMSF and 1570 on SAT. Solid extracurriculars. Interested in VT, not first choice, but then doesn’t have one clear first choice and would be happy to go to a number of schools. The WL is so perplexing. Doesn’t VT want to take academically strong kids, especially in state ones? What is the mission of the school if they don’t want to take kids who will clearly be able to handle a challenging workload? Happy for kids who got in, but not understanding what is the point of a state school yield protecting.

What you just described is a dime a dozen. Your fundamental miscalculation is assuming that the applicant pool isn’t largely comprised of qualified students, just like what you just described. They have more qualified kids than seats. It’s not yielding protection and it’s not that your kid wasn’t qualified. Your kid was boring. Lots of qualified yet boring kids don’t get in.

NP. No need to be rude. Your point was going fine until the insult.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how anyone can read this thread and not come to the conclusion that VT yield protects. What's more likely? That, or ALL of these high stats kids getting waitlisted wrote crappy essays? SMH.

But they're not ALL getting waitlisted. Some are. Many are accepted. They're not here complaining about it.

VT has a weird admissions pattern, I admit. But if it were really yield protection, you'd see an actual pattern to it, not just unusual misses.

If they were yield protecting, they'd track demonstrated interest, offer Early Decision, look for LOR. They do none of that. You can't yield predict without it. You can, however, make some weird choices.

Posters are trying to figure out the pattern of accepted. So far: thought to essays; thought and commitment to service; major. Some test optional others submitted; most above 4.0 gpa but rigor of classes differs. Was it higher acceptances of OOS students? 74% of enrolled students are from in-state. OOS applicants face stiff competition.

In state yield at VT is historically strong, so acceptance rates are lower.
OOS yield at VT is historically low, so acceptance rates are higher.

It's one of the (many) interesting quirks of VT admission that OOS acceptance rates are higher than in state.

Another quirk is that they are very transparent - https://udc.vt.edu/irdata/data/students/admission/index#college- which leads to gamesmanship where applicants will flock to a major that has historically higher acceptance rates, causing the rate to dive, causing claims of YiELd PrOTecTIoN!

How is that a quirk. OOS pays more. My kids with a 4.67 WGPA and 13 APs in state got turned down instate for College Park in Maryland and got into VT which she went. At College park kids go in with lower GPAs then her as they pay higher tuition University of Delaware is 61 percent out of state. They pay more.

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For those with high stats who did not get into VT.

FYI- Binghamton, Buffalo, Stonybrook and Albany SUNY schools (there 4 flagships) are still taking applications and they routinely for OOS in DMV with high GPAs give the instate tuition rate which is $7.070 a year.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how anyone can read this thread and not come to the conclusion that VT yield protects. What's more likely? That, or ALL of these high stats kids getting waitlisted wrote crappy essays? SMH.

But they're not ALL getting waitlisted. Some are. Many are accepted. They're not here complaining about it.

VT has a weird admissions pattern, I admit. But if it were really yield protection, you'd see an actual pattern to it, not just unusual misses.

If they were yield protecting, they'd track demonstrated interest, offer Early Decision, look for LOR. They do none of that. You can't yield predict without it. You can, however, make some weird choices.

Posters are trying to figure out the pattern of accepted. So far: thought to essays; thought and commitment to service; major. Some test optional others submitted; most above 4.0 gpa but rigor of classes differs. Was it higher acceptances of OOS students? 74% of enrolled students are from in-state. OOS applicants face stiff competition.

In state yield at VT is historically strong, so acceptance rates are lower.
OOS yield at VT is historically low, so acceptance rates are higher.

It's one of the (many) interesting quirks of VT admission that OOS acceptance rates are higher than in state.

Another quirk is that they are very transparent - https://udc.vt.edu/irdata/data/students/admission/index#college- which leads to gamesmanship where applicants will flock to a major that has historically higher acceptance rates, causing the rate to dive, causing claims of YiELd PrOTecTIoN!

How is that a quirk. OOS pays more. My kids with a 4.67 WGPA and 13 APs in state got turned down instate for College Park in Maryland and got into VT which she went. At College park kids go in with lower GPAs then her as they pay higher tuition University of Delaware is 61 percent out of state. They pay more.

It is a quirk because other Virginia state schools have lower admit rates for OOS students than in state students. Typically, admit rates for in state are higher. All Virginia schools are required to have ~2/3 in-state students.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how anyone can read this thread and not come to the conclusion that VT yield protects. What's more likely? That, or ALL of these high stats kids getting waitlisted wrote crappy essays? SMH.

But they're not ALL getting waitlisted. Some are. Many are accepted. They're not here complaining about it.

VT has a weird admissions pattern, I admit. But if it were really yield protection, you'd see an actual pattern to it, not just unusual misses.

If they were yield protecting, they'd track demonstrated interest, offer Early Decision, look for LOR. They do none of that. You can't yield predict without it. You can, however, make some weird choices.

Posters are trying to figure out the pattern of accepted. So far: thought to essays; thought and commitment to service; major. Some test optional others submitted; most above 4.0 gpa but rigor of classes differs. Was it higher acceptances of OOS students? 74% of enrolled students are from in-state. OOS applicants face stiff competition.

In state yield at VT is historically strong, so acceptance rates are lower.
OOS yield at VT is historically low, so acceptance rates are higher.

It's one of the (many) interesting quirks of VT admission that OOS acceptance rates are higher than in state.

Another quirk is that they are very transparent - https://udc.vt.edu/irdata/data/students/admission/index#college- which leads to gamesmanship where applicants will flock to a major that has historically higher acceptance rates, causing the rate to dive, causing claims of YiELd PrOTecTIoN!

How is that a quirk. OOS pays more. My kids with a 4.67 WGPA and 13 APs in state got turned down instate for College Park in Maryland and got into VT which she went. At College park kids go in with lower GPAs then her as they pay higher tuition University of Delaware is 61 percent out of state. They pay more.

It is a quirk because other Virginia state schools have lower admit rates for OOS students than in state students. Typically, admit rates for in state are higher. All Virginia schools are required to have ~2/3 in-state students.

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B8_Report_new.ASP

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how anyone can read this thread and not come to the conclusion that VT yield protects. What's more likely? That, or ALL of these high stats kids getting waitlisted wrote crappy essays? SMH.

But they're not ALL getting waitlisted. Some are. Many are accepted. They're not here complaining about it.

VT has a weird admissions pattern, I admit. But if it were really yield protection, you'd see an actual pattern to it, not just unusual misses.

If they were yield protecting, they'd track demonstrated interest, offer Early Decision, look for LOR. They do none of that. You can't yield predict without it. You can, however, make some weird choices.

Posters are trying to figure out the pattern of accepted. So far: thought to essays; thought and commitment to service; major. Some test optional others submitted; most above 4.0 gpa but rigor of classes differs. Was it higher acceptances of OOS students? 74% of enrolled students are from in-state. OOS applicants face stiff competition.

In state yield at VT is historically strong, so acceptance rates are lower.
OOS yield at VT is historically low, so acceptance rates are higher.

It's one of the (many) interesting quirks of VT admission that OOS acceptance rates are higher than in state.

Another quirk is that they are very transparent - https://udc.vt.edu/irdata/data/students/admission/index#college- which leads to gamesmanship where applicants will flock to a major that has historically higher acceptance rates, causing the rate to dive, causing claims of YiELd PrOTecTIoN!

How is that a quirk. OOS pays more. My kids with a 4.67 WGPA and 13 APs in state got turned down instate for College Park in Maryland and got into VT which she went. At College park kids go in with lower GPAs then her as they pay higher tuition University of Delaware is 61 percent out of state. They pay more.

It is a quirk because other Virginia state schools have lower admit rates for OOS students than in state students. Typically, admit rates for in state are higher. All Virginia schools are required to have ~2/3 in-state students.

It just happens that way because OOS yield is very low and in state yield is high. OOS families seem to be deciding that VT is expensive/not worth it compared to their other options.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how anyone can read this thread and not come to the conclusion that VT yield protects. What's more likely? That, or ALL of these high stats kids getting waitlisted wrote crappy essays? SMH.

But they're not ALL getting waitlisted. Some are. Many are accepted. They're not here complaining about it.

VT has a weird admissions pattern, I admit. But if it were really yield protection, you'd see an actual pattern to it, not just unusual misses.

If they were yield protecting, they'd track demonstrated interest, offer Early Decision, look for LOR. They do none of that. You can't yield predict without it. You can, however, make some weird choices.

Posters are trying to figure out the pattern of accepted. So far: thought to essays; thought and commitment to service; major. Some test optional others submitted; most above 4.0 gpa but rigor of classes differs. Was it higher acceptances of OOS students? 74% of enrolled students are from in-state. OOS applicants face stiff competition.

In state yield at VT is historically strong, so acceptance rates are lower.
OOS yield at VT is historically low, so acceptance rates are higher.

It's one of the (many) interesting quirks of VT admission that OOS acceptance rates are higher than in state.

Another quirk is that they are very transparent - https://udc.vt.edu/irdata/data/students/admission/index#college- which leads to gamesmanship where applicants will flock to a major that has historically higher acceptance rates, causing the rate to dive, causing claims of YiELd PrOTecTIoN!

How is that a quirk. OOS pays more. My kids with a 4.67 WGPA and 13 APs in state got turned down instate for College Park in Maryland and got into VT which she went. At College park kids go in with lower GPAs then her as they pay higher tuition University of Delaware is 61 percent out of state. They pay more.

It is a quirk because other Virginia state schools have lower admit rates for OOS students than in state students. Typically, admit rates for in state are higher. All Virginia schools are required to have ~2/3 in-state students.

It just happens that way because OOS yield is very low and in state yield is high. OOS families seem to be deciding that VT is expensive/not worth it compared to their other options.

Also they give low OOS merit aid.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of sour grapes and entitlement here.

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Every single year. So predictable. “DC *deserved* to get in!!” Followed by, “well, he wouldn’t have gone anyway.” Sure, Jan.

Come on, VT is not like HYPSM to even think of "sour grapes"!

They just have a pretty random admission policy. That seems to trigger a lot of snow flakes who seem to be foaming at the mouth at any criticism!

LOL as if a person can only be bitter about being rejected from HYPSM. There are pretty much 19 pages of bitterness and bashing of the admissions process here. I thought this was supposed to be a thread to celebrate student acceptances but no, I guess the kids who were accepted just lucked out. They aren’t top achievers like your kid who was rejected and cheated of their rightful place at VT.

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That's definitely the narrative some of these disgruntled parents would prefer to believe. So insecure.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing the host says on YCBK that is very true is “respect the competition”. Sure, your kid is great but there are tons of great kids for a million reasons and they can’t all get a spot.

Exactly! A lot of these posters come out and state that their kid was "better" than the competition - as if they have any clue. It's clear right away what the issue is when I read nonsense like that.