where would Williams and Amherst rank in the ivy league..

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?

Williams and Amherst, and many other SLACS, are fantastic schools but they would rank lower than any of the Ivies in a head to head competition due to the lack of comparable science and engineering resources. They aren't really comparable which is why they are separately ranked.

Totally agree. Williams and Amherst can't compare with the ivy league because virtually all of them are much larger research institutions. The academic resources of Princeton/Harvard/Cornell/Penn are light years ahead of Williams and Amherst.

And most of it has nothing to do with undergraduate study.

I'd say having access to massive research institutes and facilities is pretty helpful in undergrad. DS does research at the school of Medicine and hasn't a day taken a course in the med school. Some people just use their resources better than others.

Do R1 research universities have higher medical school acceptance rates than SLACs or higher percentages of students getting advanced degrees in STEM? NO.

A few things to this response.
My kid has no interest in medical school. It just happens to be extremely useful resource for him to explore his research interests. Medical schools provide a lot of interested computational, biophysical, and statistical research projects that an LAC wouldn't be able to replicate.

Now to your second question, per capita, it depends on the cohort of students. Students with higher incoming stats are going to be more likely to end up getting into medical school. Only 1 Lac is in the top 10 for feeding students into medical school per capita and it's Amherst. 1/2 the Ivy League is in the top 10. Comparing school acceptance rates is meaningless when some schools really gatekeep and delay students from applying to medical school to keep their high acceptance rate publicity. I'd say the data is pretty clear that if you have to choose between Harvard or Yale versus Williams or Amherst for medical school, the former is the wiser decision if it's a true tossup. I especially wouldn't underrate going to a college in Boston, the hub for biotech and medical research in the country.

Well, there are over 2X as many National Universities as National LACs (USNWR). There are 2X as many National Universities to National LACs in the top 30 College Transitions top per capita feeder schools, so it is proportionate.

But another thing to consider is some schools, most notably some National Universities (e.g. JHU) have a disproportionate percentage of pre-med students, which skews the numbers.

Okay? They prepare a lot of people to go into medical school. That's a good thing.

OK, but if you are trying to evaluate whether JHU is more likely to get you to a top 25 medical school compared to say MIT, you probably want to consider that a much higher percentage of JHU undergraduates are pre-med. If you just look at the College Transitions per capita rankings, JHU is ranked 7 and MIT 8. But if you factor the number of applicants, an MIT medical school applicant is 4.7X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant. That's a pretty big difference.

That is a good point.

Mostly extrapolation. Someone who isn't med school ready at JHU will not magically become Henry Brem at Williams.

But they might not end up being burnt out due to unhealthy cutthroat competition. And, by the way, a Williams medical school applicant is 2X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant.

More extrapolation with no proof. It gets tiring hearing moms hype themselves into believing their grand theories are reality.

It is even more tiresome dealing with people who can't do basic analysis and synthesis.

wtf? Where is your analysis and synthesis?

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Anonymous wrote:LACs are easier. That's really the difference. They make it nearly impossible to fail a class and teach well enough for students to thrive, but they aren't looking to grade for the best students. Very few top researchers graduate from top LACs, a disproportionate amount went to the best research universities.

none of this is true.

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what is it about WASP that make some of you so heated?

I dont care. I know they're super strong schools with plenty of cash to support the kids. I dont care about Princeton either. But I know it's another super strong school with plenty of cash.

Will kids do just as well coming out of U of Minnesota? Almost always. Sorry guys!

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?

Williams and Amherst, and many other SLACS, are fantastic schools but they would rank lower than any of the Ivies in a head to head competition due to the lack of comparable science and engineering resources. They aren't really comparable which is why they are separately ranked.

Totally agree. Williams and Amherst can't compare with the ivy league because virtually all of them are much larger research institutions. The academic resources of Princeton/Harvard/Cornell/Penn are light years ahead of Williams and Amherst.

And most of it has nothing to do with undergraduate study.

I'd say having access to massive research institutes and facilities is pretty helpful in undergrad. DS does research at the school of Medicine and hasn't a day taken a course in the med school. Some people just use their resources better than others.

Do R1 research universities have higher medical school acceptance rates than SLACs or higher percentages of students getting advanced degrees in STEM? NO.

A few things to this response.
My kid has no interest in medical school. It just happens to be extremely useful resource for him to explore his research interests. Medical schools provide a lot of interested computational, biophysical, and statistical research projects that an LAC wouldn't be able to replicate.

Now to your second question, per capita, it depends on the cohort of students. Students with higher incoming stats are going to be more likely to end up getting into medical school. Only 1 Lac is in the top 10 for feeding students into medical school per capita and it's Amherst. 1/2 the Ivy League is in the top 10. Comparing school acceptance rates is meaningless when some schools really gatekeep and delay students from applying to medical school to keep their high acceptance rate publicity. I'd say the data is pretty clear that if you have to choose between Harvard or Yale versus Williams or Amherst for medical school, the former is the wiser decision if it's a true tossup. I especially wouldn't underrate going to a college in Boston, the hub for biotech and medical research in the country.

Well, there are over 2X as many National Universities as National LACs (USNWR). There are 2X as many National Universities to National LACs in the top 30 College Transitions top per capita feeder schools, so it is proportionate.

But another thing to consider is some schools, most notably some National Universities (e.g. JHU) have a disproportionate percentage of pre-med students, which skews the numbers.

Okay? They prepare a lot of people to go into medical school. That's a good thing.

OK, but if you are trying to evaluate whether JHU is more likely to get you to a top 25 medical school compared to say MIT, you probably want to consider that a much higher percentage of JHU undergraduates are pre-med. If you just look at the College Transitions per capita rankings, JHU is ranked 7 and MIT 8. But if you factor the number of applicants, an MIT medical school applicant is 4.7X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant. That's a pretty big difference.

That is a good point.

Mostly extrapolation. Someone who isn't med school ready at JHU will not magically become Henry Brem at Williams.

But they might not end up being burnt out due to unhealthy cutthroat competition. And, by the way, a Williams medical school applicant is 2X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant.

More extrapolation with no proof. It gets tiring hearing moms hype themselves into believing their grand theories are reality.

It is even more tiresome dealing with people who can't do basic analysis and synthesis.

This entire thread is an indictment on the stupidity of LAC grads. Stick to nonstem. Best fit. Math is not your forte.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?

Williams and Amherst, and many other SLACS, are fantastic schools but they would rank lower than any of the Ivies in a head to head competition due to the lack of comparable science and engineering resources. They aren't really comparable which is why they are separately ranked.

Totally agree. Williams and Amherst can't compare with the ivy league because virtually all of them are much larger research institutions. The academic resources of Princeton/Harvard/Cornell/Penn are light years ahead of Williams and Amherst.

And most of it has nothing to do with undergraduate study.

I'd say having access to massive research institutes and facilities is pretty helpful in undergrad. DS does research at the school of Medicine and hasn't a day taken a course in the med school. Some people just use their resources better than others.

Do R1 research universities have higher medical school acceptance rates than SLACs or higher percentages of students getting advanced degrees in STEM? NO.

A few things to this response.
My kid has no interest in medical school. It just happens to be extremely useful resource for him to explore his research interests. Medical schools provide a lot of interested computational, biophysical, and statistical research projects that an LAC wouldn't be able to replicate.

Now to your second question, per capita, it depends on the cohort of students. Students with higher incoming stats are going to be more likely to end up getting into medical school. Only 1 Lac is in the top 10 for feeding students into medical school per capita and it's Amherst. 1/2 the Ivy League is in the top 10. Comparing school acceptance rates is meaningless when some schools really gatekeep and delay students from applying to medical school to keep their high acceptance rate publicity. I'd say the data is pretty clear that if you have to choose between Harvard or Yale versus Williams or Amherst for medical school, the former is the wiser decision if it's a true tossup. I especially wouldn't underrate going to a college in Boston, the hub for biotech and medical research in the country.

Well, there are over 2X as many National Universities as National LACs (USNWR). There are 2X as many National Universities to National LACs in the top 30 College Transitions top per capita feeder schools, so it is proportionate.

But another thing to consider is some schools, most notably some National Universities (e.g. JHU) have a disproportionate percentage of pre-med students, which skews the numbers.

Okay? They prepare a lot of people to go into medical school. That's a good thing.

OK, but if you are trying to evaluate whether JHU is more likely to get you to a top 25 medical school compared to say MIT, you probably want to consider that a much higher percentage of JHU undergraduates are pre-med. If you just look at the College Transitions per capita rankings, JHU is ranked 7 and MIT 8. But if you factor the number of applicants, an MIT medical school applicant is 4.7X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant. That's a pretty big difference.

That is a good point.

Mostly extrapolation. Someone who isn't med school ready at JHU will not magically become Henry Brem at Williams.

But they might not end up being burnt out due to unhealthy cutthroat competition. And, by the way, a Williams medical school applicant is 2X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant.

More extrapolation with no proof. It gets tiring hearing moms hype themselves into believing their grand theories are reality.

It is even more tiresome dealing with people who can't do basic analysis and synthesis.

This entire thread is an indictment on the stupidity of LAC grads. Stick to nonstem. Best fit. Math is not your forte.

math is part of the liberal arts

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.. as is science. e

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?

Williams and Amherst, and many other SLACS, are fantastic schools but they would rank lower than any of the Ivies in a head to head competition due to the lack of comparable science and engineering resources. They aren't really comparable which is why they are separately ranked.

Totally agree. Williams and Amherst can't compare with the ivy league because virtually all of them are much larger research institutions. The academic resources of Princeton/Harvard/Cornell/Penn are light years ahead of Williams and Amherst.

And most of it has nothing to do with undergraduate study.

I'd say having access to massive research institutes and facilities is pretty helpful in undergrad. DS does research at the school of Medicine and hasn't a day taken a course in the med school. Some people just use their resources better than others.

Do R1 research universities have higher medical school acceptance rates than SLACs or higher percentages of students getting advanced degrees in STEM? NO.

A few things to this response.
My kid has no interest in medical school. It just happens to be extremely useful resource for him to explore his research interests. Medical schools provide a lot of interested computational, biophysical, and statistical research projects that an LAC wouldn't be able to replicate.

Now to your second question, per capita, it depends on the cohort of students. Students with higher incoming stats are going to be more likely to end up getting into medical school. Only 1 Lac is in the top 10 for feeding students into medical school per capita and it's Amherst. 1/2 the Ivy League is in the top 10. Comparing school acceptance rates is meaningless when some schools really gatekeep and delay students from applying to medical school to keep their high acceptance rate publicity. I'd say the data is pretty clear that if you have to choose between Harvard or Yale versus Williams or Amherst for medical school, the former is the wiser decision if it's a true tossup. I especially wouldn't underrate going to a college in Boston, the hub for biotech and medical research in the country.

Well, there are over 2X as many National Universities as National LACs (USNWR). There are 2X as many National Universities to National LACs in the top 30 College Transitions top per capita feeder schools, so it is proportionate.

But another thing to consider is some schools, most notably some National Universities (e.g. JHU) have a disproportionate percentage of pre-med students, which skews the numbers.

Okay? They prepare a lot of people to go into medical school. That's a good thing.

OK, but if you are trying to evaluate whether JHU is more likely to get you to a top 25 medical school compared to say MIT, you probably want to consider that a much higher percentage of JHU undergraduates are pre-med. If you just look at the College Transitions per capita rankings, JHU is ranked 7 and MIT 8. But if you factor the number of applicants, an MIT medical school applicant is 4.7X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant. That's a pretty big difference.

That is a good point.

Mostly extrapolation. Someone who isn't med school ready at JHU will not magically become Henry Brem at Williams.

But they might not end up being burnt out due to unhealthy cutthroat competition. And, by the way, a Williams medical school applicant is 2X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant.

More extrapolation with no proof. It gets tiring hearing moms hype themselves into believing their grand theories are reality.

It is even more tiresome dealing with people who can't do basic analysis and synthesis.

This entire thread is an indictment on the stupidity of LAC grads. Stick to nonstem. Best fit. Math is not your forte.

math is part of the liberal arts

Guess what the M in STEM stands for. I thought you all were good at reading at least? Maybe I need to lower my already low expectations for you all even lower.

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It truly is no wonder why applicants from ivies, jhu, mit etc and other top privates choose to go instead of WASP despite perceived premed difficulty. I'd want to be surrounded by smarter classmates too than what has been exhibited on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?

Williams and Amherst, and many other SLACS, are fantastic schools but they would rank lower than any of the Ivies in a head to head competition due to the lack of comparable science and engineering resources. They aren't really comparable which is why they are separately ranked.

Totally agree. Williams and Amherst can't compare with the ivy league because virtually all of them are much larger research institutions. The academic resources of Princeton/Harvard/Cornell/Penn are light years ahead of Williams and Amherst.

And most of it has nothing to do with undergraduate study.

I'd say having access to massive research institutes and facilities is pretty helpful in undergrad. DS does research at the school of Medicine and hasn't a day taken a course in the med school. Some people just use their resources better than others.

Do R1 research universities have higher medical school acceptance rates than SLACs or higher percentages of students getting advanced degrees in STEM? NO.

A few things to this response.
My kid has no interest in medical school. It just happens to be extremely useful resource for him to explore his research interests. Medical schools provide a lot of interested computational, biophysical, and statistical research projects that an LAC wouldn't be able to replicate.

Now to your second question, per capita, it depends on the cohort of students. Students with higher incoming stats are going to be more likely to end up getting into medical school. Only 1 Lac is in the top 10 for feeding students into medical school per capita and it's Amherst. 1/2 the Ivy League is in the top 10. Comparing school acceptance rates is meaningless when some schools really gatekeep and delay students from applying to medical school to keep their high acceptance rate publicity. I'd say the data is pretty clear that if you have to choose between Harvard or Yale versus Williams or Amherst for medical school, the former is the wiser decision if it's a true tossup. I especially wouldn't underrate going to a college in Boston, the hub for biotech and medical research in the country.

Well, there are over 2X as many National Universities as National LACs (USNWR). There are 2X as many National Universities to National LACs in the top 30 College Transitions top per capita feeder schools, so it is proportionate.

But another thing to consider is some schools, most notably some National Universities (e.g. JHU) have a disproportionate percentage of pre-med students, which skews the numbers.

Okay? They prepare a lot of people to go into medical school. That's a good thing.

OK, but if you are trying to evaluate whether JHU is more likely to get you to a top 25 medical school compared to say MIT, you probably want to consider that a much higher percentage of JHU undergraduates are pre-med. If you just look at the College Transitions per capita rankings, JHU is ranked 7 and MIT 8. But if you factor the number of applicants, an MIT medical school applicant is 4.7X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant. That's a pretty big difference.

That is a good point.

Mostly extrapolation. Someone who isn't med school ready at JHU will not magically become Henry Brem at Williams.

But they might not end up being burnt out due to unhealthy cutthroat competition. And, by the way, a Williams medical school applicant is 2X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant.

More extrapolation with no proof. It gets tiring hearing moms hype themselves into believing their grand theories are reality.

It is even more tiresome dealing with people who can't do basic analysis and synthesis.

This entire thread is an indictment on the stupidity of LAC grads. Stick to nonstem. Best fit. Math is not your forte.

math is part of the liberal arts

Guess what the M in STEM stands for. I thought you all were good at reading at least? Maybe I need to lower my already low expectations for you all even lower.

Math is a liberal arts subject.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?

Williams and Amherst, and many other SLACS, are fantastic schools but they would rank lower than any of the Ivies in a head to head competition due to the lack of comparable science and engineering resources. They aren't really comparable which is why they are separately ranked.

Totally agree. Williams and Amherst can't compare with the ivy league because virtually all of them are much larger research institutions. The academic resources of Princeton/Harvard/Cornell/Penn are light years ahead of Williams and Amherst.

And most of it has nothing to do with undergraduate study.

I'd say having access to massive research institutes and facilities is pretty helpful in undergrad. DS does research at the school of Medicine and hasn't a day taken a course in the med school. Some people just use their resources better than others.

Do R1 research universities have higher medical school acceptance rates than SLACs or higher percentages of students getting advanced degrees in STEM? NO.

A few things to this response.
My kid has no interest in medical school. It just happens to be extremely useful resource for him to explore his research interests. Medical schools provide a lot of interested computational, biophysical, and statistical research projects that an LAC wouldn't be able to replicate.

Now to your second question, per capita, it depends on the cohort of students. Students with higher incoming stats are going to be more likely to end up getting into medical school. Only 1 Lac is in the top 10 for feeding students into medical school per capita and it's Amherst. 1/2 the Ivy League is in the top 10. Comparing school acceptance rates is meaningless when some schools really gatekeep and delay students from applying to medical school to keep their high acceptance rate publicity. I'd say the data is pretty clear that if you have to choose between Harvard or Yale versus Williams or Amherst for medical school, the former is the wiser decision if it's a true tossup. I especially wouldn't underrate going to a college in Boston, the hub for biotech and medical research in the country.

Well, there are over 2X as many National Universities as National LACs (USNWR). There are 2X as many National Universities to National LACs in the top 30 College Transitions top per capita feeder schools, so it is proportionate.

But another thing to consider is some schools, most notably some National Universities (e.g. JHU) have a disproportionate percentage of pre-med students, which skews the numbers.

Okay? They prepare a lot of people to go into medical school. That's a good thing.

OK, but if you are trying to evaluate whether JHU is more likely to get you to a top 25 medical school compared to say MIT, you probably want to consider that a much higher percentage of JHU undergraduates are pre-med. If you just look at the College Transitions per capita rankings, JHU is ranked 7 and MIT 8. But if you factor the number of applicants, an MIT medical school applicant is 4.7X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant. That's a pretty big difference.

That is a good point.

Mostly extrapolation. Someone who isn't med school ready at JHU will not magically become Henry Brem at Williams.

But they might not end up being burnt out due to unhealthy cutthroat competition. And, by the way, a Williams medical school applicant is 2X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant.

More extrapolation with no proof. It gets tiring hearing moms hype themselves into believing their grand theories are reality.

It is even more tiresome dealing with people who can't do basic analysis and synthesis.

This entire thread is an indictment on the stupidity of LAC grads. Stick to nonstem. Best fit. Math is not your forte.

math is part of the liberal arts

Guess what the M in STEM stands for. I thought you all were good at reading at least? Maybe I need to lower my already low expectations for you all even lower.

Math is a liberal arts subject.

The guidance was to stick to non-stem since your reasoning and logic deduction skills have been abhorrent.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?

Williams and Amherst, and many other SLACS, are fantastic schools but they would rank lower than any of the Ivies in a head to head competition due to the lack of comparable science and engineering resources. They aren't really comparable which is why they are separately ranked.

Totally agree. Williams and Amherst can't compare with the ivy league because virtually all of them are much larger research institutions. The academic resources of Princeton/Harvard/Cornell/Penn are light years ahead of Williams and Amherst.

And most of it has nothing to do with undergraduate study.

I'd say having access to massive research institutes and facilities is pretty helpful in undergrad. DS does research at the school of Medicine and hasn't a day taken a course in the med school. Some people just use their resources better than others.

Do R1 research universities have higher medical school acceptance rates than SLACs or higher percentages of students getting advanced degrees in STEM? NO.

A few things to this response.
My kid has no interest in medical school. It just happens to be extremely useful resource for him to explore his research interests. Medical schools provide a lot of interested computational, biophysical, and statistical research projects that an LAC wouldn't be able to replicate.

Now to your second question, per capita, it depends on the cohort of students. Students with higher incoming stats are going to be more likely to end up getting into medical school. Only 1 Lac is in the top 10 for feeding students into medical school per capita and it's Amherst. 1/2 the Ivy League is in the top 10. Comparing school acceptance rates is meaningless when some schools really gatekeep and delay students from applying to medical school to keep their high acceptance rate publicity. I'd say the data is pretty clear that if you have to choose between Harvard or Yale versus Williams or Amherst for medical school, the former is the wiser decision if it's a true tossup. I especially wouldn't underrate going to a college in Boston, the hub for biotech and medical research in the country.

Well, there are over 2X as many National Universities as National LACs (USNWR). There are 2X as many National Universities to National LACs in the top 30 College Transitions top per capita feeder schools, so it is proportionate.

But another thing to consider is some schools, most notably some National Universities (e.g. JHU) have a disproportionate percentage of pre-med students, which skews the numbers.

Okay? They prepare a lot of people to go into medical school. That's a good thing.

OK, but if you are trying to evaluate whether JHU is more likely to get you to a top 25 medical school compared to say MIT, you probably want to consider that a much higher percentage of JHU undergraduates are pre-med. If you just look at the College Transitions per capita rankings, JHU is ranked 7 and MIT 8. But if you factor the number of applicants, an MIT medical school applicant is 4.7X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant. That's a pretty big difference.

That is a good point.

Mostly extrapolation. Someone who isn't med school ready at JHU will not magically become Henry Brem at Williams.

But they might not end up being burnt out due to unhealthy cutthroat competition. And, by the way, a Williams medical school applicant is 2X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant.

More extrapolation with no proof. It gets tiring hearing moms hype themselves into believing their grand theories are reality.

It is even more tiresome dealing with people who can't do basic analysis and synthesis.

This entire thread is an indictment on the stupidity of LAC grads. Stick to nonstem. Best fit. Math is not your forte.

math is part of the liberal arts

Guess what the M in STEM stands for. I thought you all were good at reading at least? Maybe I need to lower my already low expectations for you all even lower.

Math is a liberal arts subject.

The guidance was to stick to non-stem since your reasoning and logic deduction skills have been abhorrent.

And math is a liberal arts subject.

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It seems there are no more than a few reasonably well educated adults on this thread. Certainly not many intellectuals at all.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems there are no more than a few reasonably well educated adults on this thread. Certainly not many intellectuals at all.

It makes sense when only 50% have submitted test scores at these schools:

https://www.williams.edu/institutional-research/files/2025/06/CDS_2024_2025_Williams_V5.pdf
https://www.amherst.edu/system/files/C%20First-Time%2C%20First-Year%20Admission_3.pdf

Very likely half your classmates are dumb and scored below par on math.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?

Williams and Amherst, and many other SLACS, are fantastic schools but they would rank lower than any of the Ivies in a head to head competition due to the lack of comparable science and engineering resources. They aren't really comparable which is why they are separately ranked.

Totally agree. Williams and Amherst can't compare with the ivy league because virtually all of them are much larger research institutions. The academic resources of Princeton/Harvard/Cornell/Penn are light years ahead of Williams and Amherst.

And most of it has nothing to do with undergraduate study.

I'd say having access to massive research institutes and facilities is pretty helpful in undergrad. DS does research at the school of Medicine and hasn't a day taken a course in the med school. Some people just use their resources better than others.

Do R1 research universities have higher medical school acceptance rates than SLACs or higher percentages of students getting advanced degrees in STEM? NO.

A few things to this response.
My kid has no interest in medical school. It just happens to be extremely useful resource for him to explore his research interests. Medical schools provide a lot of interested computational, biophysical, and statistical research projects that an LAC wouldn't be able to replicate.

Now to your second question, per capita, it depends on the cohort of students. Students with higher incoming stats are going to be more likely to end up getting into medical school. Only 1 Lac is in the top 10 for feeding students into medical school per capita and it's Amherst. 1/2 the Ivy League is in the top 10. Comparing school acceptance rates is meaningless when some schools really gatekeep and delay students from applying to medical school to keep their high acceptance rate publicity. I'd say the data is pretty clear that if you have to choose between Harvard or Yale versus Williams or Amherst for medical school, the former is the wiser decision if it's a true tossup. I especially wouldn't underrate going to a college in Boston, the hub for biotech and medical research in the country.

Well, there are over 2X as many National Universities as National LACs (USNWR). There are 2X as many National Universities to National LACs in the top 30 College Transitions top per capita feeder schools, so it is proportionate.

But another thing to consider is some schools, most notably some National Universities (e.g. JHU) have a disproportionate percentage of pre-med students, which skews the numbers.

Okay? They prepare a lot of people to go into medical school. That's a good thing.

OK, but if you are trying to evaluate whether JHU is more likely to get you to a top 25 medical school compared to say MIT, you probably want to consider that a much higher percentage of JHU undergraduates are pre-med. If you just look at the College Transitions per capita rankings, JHU is ranked 7 and MIT 8. But if you factor the number of applicants, an MIT medical school applicant is 4.7X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant. That's a pretty big difference.

That is a good point.

Mostly extrapolation. Someone who isn't med school ready at JHU will not magically become Henry Brem at Williams.

But they might not end up being burnt out due to unhealthy cutthroat competition. And, by the way, a Williams medical school applicant is 2X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant.

Source for those numbers?

The number at top 25 medical schools is from College Transitions. The number applying to medical school is from AAMC.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school/
https://www.aamc.org/media/9636/download

So you’re making inferences off of two data sets examining different years and different data. Oh brother help us. This person doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

This is nothing more than what College Transitions did to start with, only with a more meaningful denominator. You just don't like what that indicates. Adjusted for size, College Transitions has Princeton at #6, JHU at #7, and MIT at #8. They are relatively close in size and in number of graduates at top 25 medical schools. But the reality is a much, much higher number and percentage of JHU undergraduates apply to medical school and this is true over years of AAMC application history. Their average applicant is significantly less likely to attend a top 25 medical school than Princeton or MIT. Here is how big the difference in the number of applicants is. JHU had between 470 and 506 medical school applicants over the past 4 years. For Princeton is was 133 to 150 applicants. MIT was 67 to 77 applicants. Huge difference.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?

Williams and Amherst, and many other SLACS, are fantastic schools but they would rank lower than any of the Ivies in a head to head competition due to the lack of comparable science and engineering resources. They aren't really comparable which is why they are separately ranked.

Totally agree. Williams and Amherst can't compare with the ivy league because virtually all of them are much larger research institutions. The academic resources of Princeton/Harvard/Cornell/Penn are light years ahead of Williams and Amherst.

And most of it has nothing to do with undergraduate study.

I'd say having access to massive research institutes and facilities is pretty helpful in undergrad. DS does research at the school of Medicine and hasn't a day taken a course in the med school. Some people just use their resources better than others.

Do R1 research universities have higher medical school acceptance rates than SLACs or higher percentages of students getting advanced degrees in STEM? NO.

A few things to this response.
My kid has no interest in medical school. It just happens to be extremely useful resource for him to explore his research interests. Medical schools provide a lot of interested computational, biophysical, and statistical research projects that an LAC wouldn't be able to replicate.

Now to your second question, per capita, it depends on the cohort of students. Students with higher incoming stats are going to be more likely to end up getting into medical school. Only 1 Lac is in the top 10 for feeding students into medical school per capita and it's Amherst. 1/2 the Ivy League is in the top 10. Comparing school acceptance rates is meaningless when some schools really gatekeep and delay students from applying to medical school to keep their high acceptance rate publicity. I'd say the data is pretty clear that if you have to choose between Harvard or Yale versus Williams or Amherst for medical school, the former is the wiser decision if it's a true tossup. I especially wouldn't underrate going to a college in Boston, the hub for biotech and medical research in the country.

Well, there are over 2X as many National Universities as National LACs (USNWR). There are 2X as many National Universities to National LACs in the top 30 College Transitions top per capita feeder schools, so it is proportionate.

But another thing to consider is some schools, most notably some National Universities (e.g. JHU) have a disproportionate percentage of pre-med students, which skews the numbers.

Okay? They prepare a lot of people to go into medical school. That's a good thing.

OK, but if you are trying to evaluate whether JHU is more likely to get you to a top 25 medical school compared to say MIT, you probably want to consider that a much higher percentage of JHU undergraduates are pre-med. If you just look at the College Transitions per capita rankings, JHU is ranked 7 and MIT 8. But if you factor the number of applicants, an MIT medical school applicant is 4.7X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant. That's a pretty big difference.

That is a good point.

Mostly extrapolation. Someone who isn't med school ready at JHU will not magically become Henry Brem at Williams.

But they might not end up being burnt out due to unhealthy cutthroat competition. And, by the way, a Williams medical school applicant is 2X more likely to end up at a top 25 medical school than a JHU applicant.

Source for those numbers?

The number at top 25 medical schools is from College Transitions. The number applying to medical school is from AAMC.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school/
https://www.aamc.org/media/9636/download

So you’re making inferences off of two data sets examining different years and different data. Oh brother help us. This person doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

This is nothing more than what College Transitions did to start with, only with a more meaningful denominator. You just don't like what that indicates. Adjusted for size, College Transitions has Princeton at #6, JHU at #7, and MIT at #8. They are relatively close in size and in number of graduates at top 25 medical schools. But the reality is a much, much higher number and percentage of JHU undergraduates apply to medical school and this is true over years of AAMC application history. Their average applicant is significantly less likely to attend a top 25 medical school than Princeton or MIT. Here is how big the difference in the number of applicants is. JHU had between 470 and 506 medical school applicants over the past 4 years. For Princeton is was 133 to 150 applicants. MIT was 67 to 77 applicants. Huge difference.

Surprising dearth of synthesis and analysis.