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Anonymous wrote:I remember my son had a Jewish teacher who took off on one of the Jewish holidays before they were mandatory days off…and he gave the class a quiz. Make it make sense.

What are you talking about? The issue is the county was having trouble locating enough substitutes to cover the classes for the teachers that wanted to takeoff for the holiday.

No. They did not.
They first had no jsutificaiton for taking those days off other than the Calendar Committee (comprised of multiple religious groups mainly) recommended it. When the SB pushed back to question the legality of that and need for it they were tasked with pulling absentee data for those days and others. Unfortunately it didn't really show there was a problem. As i recall the absentee rates never seemed to rise above 5% except if it was a date otherwise kids would be out for (eg Fridays in late May or early June; wrapping with a long weekend where the Monday was a federal holiday, etc).

So then in the end they simply asserted - during the Covid return year i think in 2021 - that they were having trouble getting enough subs overall so therefore all these days were needed. No justification by data at all that specific days were the ones where subs were insufficient.

Can you link to the data where it was shown that subs were easy to obtain on those days?

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Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?

+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.

As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.

My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.

What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.

Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.

This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.

Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.

Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?

And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”

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Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?

+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.

As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.

My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.

What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.

Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.

This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.

Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.

Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?

And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”

You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember my son had a Jewish teacher who took off on one of the Jewish holidays before they were mandatory days off…and he gave the class a quiz. Make it make sense.

What are you talking about? The issue is the county was having trouble locating enough substitutes to cover the classes for the teachers that wanted to takeoff for the holiday.

No. They did not.
They first had no jsutificaiton for taking those days off other than the Calendar Committee (comprised of multiple religious groups mainly) recommended it. When the SB pushed back to question the legality of that and need for it they were tasked with pulling absentee data for those days and others. Unfortunately it didn't really show there was a problem. As i recall the absentee rates never seemed to rise above 5% except if it was a date otherwise kids would be out for (eg Fridays in late May or early June; wrapping with a long weekend where the Monday was a federal holiday, etc).

So then in the end they simply asserted - during the Covid return year i think in 2021 - that they were having trouble getting enough subs overall so therefore all these days were needed. No justification by data at all that specific days were the ones where subs were insufficient.

Can you link to the data where it was shown that subs were easy to obtain on those days?

Nobody said it was easy. But the data showed that there was nothing special about these new religious/cultural holidays in terms of teacher or student absences. In fact, other random days had higher absentee dates, demonstrating that these are purely religious holidays with no operational justification.

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Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?

+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.

As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.

My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.

What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.

Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.

This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.

Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.

Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?

And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”

You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.

You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?

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Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?

+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.

As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.

My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.

What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.

Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.

This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.

Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.

Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?

And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”

You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.

You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?

(Called government shutdown)


Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!

Il

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Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?

+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.

As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.

My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.

What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.

Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.

This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.

Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.

Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?

And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”

You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.

You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?

(Called government shutdown)


Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!

Il

DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.

But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?

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Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?

+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.

As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.

My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.

What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.

Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.

This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.

Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.

Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?

And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”

You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.

You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?

(Called government shutdown)


Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!

Il

DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.

But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?

+1, there are very few easy jobs out there, but there is definitely a webpage dedicated to complaining about FCPS and the teachers.

We all know that being a parent, employee, spouse is difficult to manage at the same time, so maybe everyone could take a break from complaining?

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Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?

+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.

As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.

My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.

What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.

Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.

This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.

Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.

Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?

And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”

You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.

You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?

What do you think the jobs of the hundreds of teachers employee by the federal government look like?

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Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?

+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.

As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.

My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.

What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.

Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.

This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.

Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.

Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?

And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”

You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.

You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?

What do you think the jobs of the hundreds of teachers employee by the federal government look like?

They give 6.5 hour presentations for free?

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Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?

+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.

As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.

My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.

What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.

Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.

This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.

Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.

Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?

And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”

You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.

You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?

(Called government shutdown)


Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!

Il

DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.

But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?

Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.

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Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?

+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.

As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.

My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.

What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.

Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.

This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.

Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.

Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?

And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”

You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.

You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?

(Called government shutdown)


Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!

Il

DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.

But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?

Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.

Based on your post, we can tell you’ll never respect teachers (or probably any other human). You’re just mad at the world and are taking it out on teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?

+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.

As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.

My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.

What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.

Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.

This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.

Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.

Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?

And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”

You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.

You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?

(Called government shutdown)


Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!

Il

DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.

But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?

Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.

I do. And I still respect you, even though you’ve decided to lash out at me without knowing me.

I am also a parent. I have the same struggles you do when schools close and I still have to work. I also have to find childcare for my kids most weekends so I can catch up with work.

I don’t have an Amazon wish list. I simply purchase all of the supplies for my classroom, usually close to $600-$800 a year.

Catered meals? I got a donut last year and I was very appreciative. Would you like me to donate it forward next time? I certainly will. I’ll add it to the donations I give to my church’s food bank.

So you’re welcome to lash out at me. I’m a teacher; I’m used to it. I’ll still respect and support you.

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Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?

+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.

As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.

My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.

What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.

Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.

This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.

Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.

Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?

And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”

You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.

You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?

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Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!

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DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.

But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?

Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.

Catered meals? What? I mean there was that boxed Subway lunch in May…

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Our school provides catered meals to staff multiple times a year. Teachers appreciation week is full of goodies, including multiple meals and lots of presents.