I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

there is a difference between gutting and what you see as not helping.

The Rs are gutting education. They don’t believe in science, attacking universities, banning books.

How is that any different than destroying rigor, like the Democrats are doing?

As for attacking universities, for many universities that call is coming from inside the house.

And removing graphic novels from school libraries that depict sex scenes that are too X-rated to show anywhere else is not bothersome to me. I’m with the Republicans on that. Kids do not need their school libraries providing them pornography.

No. You can’t equate this at all. R’s are purposely destroying education because they don’t want the electorate to be educated. Uneducated people are easier to manipulate.

As far as banning books, you think this is all about porn??? Wake up. Dog Man was banned in Florida schools. Also many classics have been banned like To Kill a Mockingbird and a kids book called Freckleface Strawberry.

The banning of TKOM has come from the left, not the right.

The right wanted it banned because of the racial themes, depicting white characters as villains, "promoting a divisive view of American history" and so on - it was banned in Biloxi MS, Hanover VA, Park Hill MS, Lindale TX and other places by the right because it made white people uncomfortable.

https://www.history.com/articles/why-to-kill-a-mockingbird-keeps-getting-banned

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/to-kill-a-mockingbird-remains-among-top-banned-classical-novels

Most of the efforts come from the left, because of the depiction of Black Americans. Learn your book banning history.

You’re blatantly lying.

Oh for Pete’s sake, stop showing your ignorance. Here is a history lesson for you.

https://www.marshall.edu/library/bannedbooks/to-kill-a-mockingbird/

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

there is a difference between gutting and what you see as not helping.

The Rs are gutting education. They don’t believe in science, attacking universities, banning books.

How is that any different than destroying rigor, like the Democrats are doing?

As for attacking universities, for many universities that call is coming from inside the house.

And removing graphic novels from school libraries that depict sex scenes that are too X-rated to show anywhere else is not bothersome to me. I’m with the Republicans on that. Kids do not need their school libraries providing them pornography.

No. You can’t equate this at all. R’s are purposely destroying education because they don’t want the electorate to be educated. Uneducated people are easier to manipulate.

As far as banning books, you think this is all about porn??? Wake up. Dog Man was banned in Florida schools. Also many classics have been banned like To Kill a Mockingbird and a kids book called Freckleface Strawberry.

The banning of TKOM has come from the left, not the right.

Confirming that this is a problem with left and right partisans:
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/iowa-view/2023/11/19/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-bans-take-away-understanding/71598205007/

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

there is a difference between gutting and what you see as not helping.

The Rs are gutting education. They don’t believe in science, attacking universities, banning books.

How is that any different than destroying rigor, like the Democrats are doing?

As for attacking universities, for many universities that call is coming from inside the house.

And removing graphic novels from school libraries that depict sex scenes that are too X-rated to show anywhere else is not bothersome to me. I’m with the Republicans on that. Kids do not need their school libraries providing them pornography.

No. You can’t equate this at all. R’s are purposely destroying education because they don’t want the electorate to be educated. Uneducated people are easier to manipulate.

As far as banning books, you think this is all about porn??? Wake up. Dog Man was banned in Florida schools. Also many classics have been banned like To Kill a Mockingbird and a kids book called Freckleface Strawberry.

The banning of TKOM has come from the left, not the right.

Confirming that this is a problem with left and right partisans:
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/iowa-view/2023/11/19/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-bans-take-away-understanding/71598205007/

Which is why it’s stupid to pretend Democrats are any good on education as an issue. They’re as backward as the Republicans, just in their own way.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

there is a difference between gutting and what you see as not helping.

The Rs are gutting education. They don’t believe in science, attacking universities, banning books.

How is that any different than destroying rigor, like the Democrats are doing?

As for attacking universities, for many universities that call is coming from inside the house.

And removing graphic novels from school libraries that depict sex scenes that are too X-rated to show anywhere else is not bothersome to me. I’m with the Republicans on that. Kids do not need their school libraries providing them pornography.

No. You can’t equate this at all. R’s are purposely destroying education because they don’t want the electorate to be educated. Uneducated people are easier to manipulate.

As far as banning books, you think this is all about porn??? Wake up. Dog Man was banned in Florida schools. Also many classics have been banned like To Kill a Mockingbird and a kids book called Freckleface Strawberry.

The banning of TKOM has come from the left, not the right.

Confirming that this is a problem with left and right partisans:
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/iowa-view/2023/11/19/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-bans-take-away-understanding/71598205007/

Which is why it’s stupid to pretend Democrats are any good on education as an issue. They’re as backward as the Republicans, just in their own way.

Agree.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

there is a difference between gutting and what you see as not helping.

The Rs are gutting education. They don’t believe in science, attacking universities, banning books.

How is that any different than destroying rigor, like the Democrats are doing?

As for attacking universities, for many universities that call is coming from inside the house.

And removing graphic novels from school libraries that depict sex scenes that are too X-rated to show anywhere else is not bothersome to me. I’m with the Republicans on that. Kids do not need their school libraries providing them pornography.

No. You can’t equate this at all. R’s are purposely destroying education because they don’t want the electorate to be educated. Uneducated people are easier to manipulate.

As far as banning books, you think this is all about porn??? Wake up. Dog Man was banned in Florida schools. Also many classics have been banned like To Kill a Mockingbird and a kids book called Freckleface Strawberry.

The banning of TKOM has come from the left, not the right.

The right wanted it banned because of the racial themes, depicting white characters as villains, "promoting a divisive view of American history" and so on - it was banned in Biloxi MS, Hanover VA, Park Hill MS, Lindale TX and other places by the right because it made white people uncomfortable.

https://www.history.com/articles/why-to-kill-a-mockingbird-keeps-getting-banned

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/to-kill-a-mockingbird-remains-among-top-banned-classical-novels

Most of the efforts come from the left, because of the depiction of Black Americans. Learn your book banning history.

You’re blatantly lying.

Oh for Pete’s sake, stop showing your ignorance. Here is a history lesson for you.

https://www.marshall.edu/library/bannedbooks/to-kill-a-mockingbird/

DP. "For Pete's sake" yourself! If you're going to take a condescending tone like that with posters, at least DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST.

The left is not even remotely "most of the efforts" to ban Mockingbird. NOT EVEN. Biloxi, Acckomack, Brentwood, Vernon-Verona, Hanover VA etc were all right-wing-driven bans, as were many others missing from the Marshall list, like Lindale TX (right wing, 1996), Park Hill MO (right wing, 1985), Casa Grande AZ (1985), Southood HS (1995) and so on.

Here is the bottom line: There IS NO national left-wing book-banning effort, whereas there are MANY of these on the right. The left has nothing even remotely analogous to "Moms for Liberty" and "No Left Turn in Education" and other right wing groups pushing for state and national bans. The only bans on the left have been isolated and local.

The overwhelming majority of book bans are coming from the right wing. https://abcnews.go.com/US/conservative-liberal-book-bans-differ-amid-rise-literary/story?id=96267846 The right wing has been pushing new laws in Florida, Iowa, Texas, Utah etc which PEN American found are driving many book bans. https://www.commondreams.org/news/book-banning-2023 The left has no such legislative push. Similarly, an Oxford study of 2,523 book bans in the 2021-2022 school year found that bans were overwhelmingly in right-leaning counties, and targeted books by authors of color, and LGBTQ themes. https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/3/6/pgae197/7689238

So your "oh for Pete's sake" is entirely misplaced and you are completely out of line with any semblance of reality whatsoever in trying to falsely claim that the left is pushing the majority of book bans.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

there is a difference between gutting and what you see as not helping.

The Rs are gutting education. They don’t believe in science, attacking universities, banning books.

How is that any different than destroying rigor, like the Democrats are doing?

As for attacking universities, for many universities that call is coming from inside the house.

And removing graphic novels from school libraries that depict sex scenes that are too X-rated to show anywhere else is not bothersome to me. I’m with the Republicans on that. Kids do not need their school libraries providing them pornography.

No. You can’t equate this at all. R’s are purposely destroying education because they don’t want the electorate to be educated. Uneducated people are easier to manipulate.

As far as banning books, you think this is all about porn??? Wake up. Dog Man was banned in Florida schools. Also many classics have been banned like To Kill a Mockingbird and a kids book called Freckleface Strawberry.

The banning of TKOM has come from the left, not the right.

The right wanted it banned because of the racial themes, depicting white characters as villains, "promoting a divisive view of American history" and so on - it was banned in Biloxi MS, Hanover VA, Park Hill MS, Lindale TX and other places by the right because it made white people uncomfortable.

https://www.history.com/articles/why-to-kill-a-mockingbird-keeps-getting-banned

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/to-kill-a-mockingbird-remains-among-top-banned-classical-novels

Most of the efforts come from the left, because of the depiction of Black Americans. Learn your book banning history.

You’re blatantly lying.

Oh for Pete’s sake, stop showing your ignorance. Here is a history lesson for you.

https://www.marshall.edu/library/bannedbooks/to-kill-a-mockingbird/

DP. "For Pete's sake" yourself! If you're going to take a condescending tone like that with posters, at least DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST.

The left is not even remotely "most of the efforts" to ban Mockingbird. NOT EVEN. Biloxi, Acckomack, Brentwood, Vernon-Verona, Hanover VA etc were all right-wing-driven bans, as were many others missing from the Marshall list, like Lindale TX (right wing, 1996), Park Hill MO (right wing, 1985), Casa Grande AZ (1985), Southood HS (1995) and so on.

Here is the bottom line: There IS NO national left-wing book-banning effort, whereas there are MANY of these on the right. The left has nothing even remotely analogous to "Moms for Liberty" and "No Left Turn in Education" and other right wing groups pushing for state and national bans. The only bans on the left have been isolated and local.

The overwhelming majority of book bans are coming from the right wing. https://abcnews.go.com/US/conservative-liberal-book-bans-differ-amid-rise-literary/story?id=96267846 The right wing has been pushing new laws in Florida, Iowa, Texas, Utah etc which PEN American found are driving many book bans. https://www.commondreams.org/news/book-banning-2023 The left has no such legislative push. Similarly, an Oxford study of 2,523 book bans in the 2021-2022 school year found that bans were overwhelmingly in right-leaning counties, and targeted books by authors of color, and LGBTQ themes. https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/3/6/pgae197/7689238

So your "oh for Pete's sake" is entirely misplaced and you are completely out of line with any semblance of reality whatsoever in trying to falsely claim that the left is pushing the majority of book bans.

The left banned a number of Dr. Seuss books. Previously they banned Uncle Tom’s Cabin and many other books.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

there is a difference between gutting and what you see as not helping.

The Rs are gutting education. They don’t believe in science, attacking universities, banning books.

How is that any different than destroying rigor, like the Democrats are doing?

As for attacking universities, for many universities that call is coming from inside the house.

And removing graphic novels from school libraries that depict sex scenes that are too X-rated to show anywhere else is not bothersome to me. I’m with the Republicans on that. Kids do not need their school libraries providing them pornography.

No. You can’t equate this at all. R’s are purposely destroying education because they don’t want the electorate to be educated. Uneducated people are easier to manipulate.

As far as banning books, you think this is all about porn??? Wake up. Dog Man was banned in Florida schools. Also many classics have been banned like To Kill a Mockingbird and a kids book called Freckleface Strawberry.

The banning of TKOM has come from the left, not the right.

The right wanted it banned because of the racial themes, depicting white characters as villains, "promoting a divisive view of American history" and so on - it was banned in Biloxi MS, Hanover VA, Park Hill MS, Lindale TX and other places by the right because it made white people uncomfortable.

https://www.history.com/articles/why-to-kill-a-mockingbird-keeps-getting-banned

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/to-kill-a-mockingbird-remains-among-top-banned-classical-novels

Most of the efforts come from the left, because of the depiction of Black Americans. Learn your book banning history.

You’re blatantly lying.

Oh for Pete’s sake, stop showing your ignorance. Here is a history lesson for you.

https://www.marshall.edu/library/bannedbooks/to-kill-a-mockingbird/

DP. "For Pete's sake" yourself! If you're going to take a condescending tone like that with posters, at least DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST.

The left is not even remotely "most of the efforts" to ban Mockingbird. NOT EVEN. Biloxi, Acckomack, Brentwood, Vernon-Verona, Hanover VA etc were all right-wing-driven bans, as were many others missing from the Marshall list, like Lindale TX (right wing, 1996), Park Hill MO (right wing, 1985), Casa Grande AZ (1985), Southood HS (1995) and so on.

Here is the bottom line: There IS NO national left-wing book-banning effort, whereas there are MANY of these on the right. The left has nothing even remotely analogous to "Moms for Liberty" and "No Left Turn in Education" and other right wing groups pushing for state and national bans. The only bans on the left have been isolated and local.

The overwhelming majority of book bans are coming from the right wing. https://abcnews.go.com/US/conservative-liberal-book-bans-differ-amid-rise-literary/story?id=96267846 The right wing has been pushing new laws in Florida, Iowa, Texas, Utah etc which PEN American found are driving many book bans. https://www.commondreams.org/news/book-banning-2023 The left has no such legislative push. Similarly, an Oxford study of 2,523 book bans in the 2021-2022 school year found that bans were overwhelmingly in right-leaning counties, and targeted books by authors of color, and LGBTQ themes. https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/3/6/pgae197/7689238

So your "oh for Pete's sake" is entirely misplaced and you are completely out of line with any semblance of reality whatsoever in trying to falsely claim that the left is pushing the majority of book bans.

Exactly. The right is so adamant about their book banning but don’t want to own it 🤔

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I’m not right wing. But where I live (deep blue state, deep blue district, deep blue school board) the only serious efforts at book banning have come from the left. There aren’t enough right-wingers here to even try it.

The left here has also tried to decimate rigor in education, kept the schools closed for far longer than necessary, enacted restorative justice that destroyed classroom discipline, and stopped having kids read whole books because whole books were too hard to understand.

I just can’t see the Democrats as the party of education any more.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

there is a difference between gutting and what you see as not helping.

The Rs are gutting education. They don’t believe in science, attacking universities, banning books.

How is that any different than destroying rigor, like the Democrats are doing?

As for attacking universities, for many universities that call is coming from inside the house.

And removing graphic novels from school libraries that depict sex scenes that are too X-rated to show anywhere else is not bothersome to me. I’m with the Republicans on that. Kids do not need their school libraries providing them pornography.

No. You can’t equate this at all. R’s are purposely destroying education because they don’t want the electorate to be educated. Uneducated people are easier to manipulate.

As far as banning books, you think this is all about porn??? Wake up. Dog Man was banned in Florida schools. Also many classics have been banned like To Kill a Mockingbird and a kids book called Freckleface Strawberry.

The banning of TKOM has come from the left, not the right.

The right wanted it banned because of the racial themes, depicting white characters as villains, "promoting a divisive view of American history" and so on - it was banned in Biloxi MS, Hanover VA, Park Hill MS, Lindale TX and other places by the right because it made white people uncomfortable.

https://www.history.com/articles/why-to-kill-a-mockingbird-keeps-getting-banned

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/to-kill-a-mockingbird-remains-among-top-banned-classical-novels

Most of the efforts come from the left, because of the depiction of Black Americans. Learn your book banning history.

You’re blatantly lying.

Oh for Pete’s sake, stop showing your ignorance. Here is a history lesson for you.

https://www.marshall.edu/library/bannedbooks/to-kill-a-mockingbird/

DP. "For Pete's sake" yourself! If you're going to take a condescending tone like that with posters, at least DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST.

The left is not even remotely "most of the efforts" to ban Mockingbird. NOT EVEN. Biloxi, Acckomack, Brentwood, Vernon-Verona, Hanover VA etc were all right-wing-driven bans, as were many others missing from the Marshall list, like Lindale TX (right wing, 1996), Park Hill MO (right wing, 1985), Casa Grande AZ (1985), Southood HS (1995) and so on.

Here is the bottom line: There IS NO national left-wing book-banning effort, whereas there are MANY of these on the right. The left has nothing even remotely analogous to "Moms for Liberty" and "No Left Turn in Education" and other right wing groups pushing for state and national bans. The only bans on the left have been isolated and local.

The overwhelming majority of book bans are coming from the right wing. https://abcnews.go.com/US/conservative-liberal-book-bans-differ-amid-rise-literary/story?id=96267846 The right wing has been pushing new laws in Florida, Iowa, Texas, Utah etc which PEN American found are driving many book bans. https://www.commondreams.org/news/book-banning-2023 The left has no such legislative push. Similarly, an Oxford study of 2,523 book bans in the 2021-2022 school year found that bans were overwhelmingly in right-leaning counties, and targeted books by authors of color, and LGBTQ themes. https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/3/6/pgae197/7689238

So your "oh for Pete's sake" is entirely misplaced and you are completely out of line with any semblance of reality whatsoever in trying to falsely claim that the left is pushing the majority of book bans.

I do not say this lightly: You are ignorant. Yes, there are conservatives who have tried to ban TKAMB but liberals are also blocking it now too for other reasons. Why are you so married to a single party is bad mindset? Republicans tend to want books banned, while Democrats tend to stifle public discourse in schools and online. That doesn’t mean the opposite doesn’t happen too sometimes. Wake up! You act as if Democrats sh!t don’t stink. Newsflash: it does and so does everyone else’s.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

there is a difference between gutting and what you see as not helping.

The Rs are gutting education. They don’t believe in science, attacking universities, banning books.

How is that any different than destroying rigor, like the Democrats are doing?

As for attacking universities, for many universities that call is coming from inside the house.

And removing graphic novels from school libraries that depict sex scenes that are too X-rated to show anywhere else is not bothersome to me. I’m with the Republicans on that. Kids do not need their school libraries providing them pornography.

No. You can’t equate this at all. R’s are purposely destroying education because they don’t want the electorate to be educated. Uneducated people are easier to manipulate.

As far as banning books, you think this is all about porn??? Wake up. Dog Man was banned in Florida schools. Also many classics have been banned like To Kill a Mockingbird and a kids book called Freckleface Strawberry.

The banning of TKOM has come from the left, not the right.

The right wanted it banned because of the racial themes, depicting white characters as villains, "promoting a divisive view of American history" and so on - it was banned in Biloxi MS, Hanover VA, Park Hill MS, Lindale TX and other places by the right because it made white people uncomfortable.

https://www.history.com/articles/why-to-kill-a-mockingbird-keeps-getting-banned

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/to-kill-a-mockingbird-remains-among-top-banned-classical-novels

Most of the efforts come from the left, because of the depiction of Black Americans. Learn your book banning history.

You’re blatantly lying.

Oh for Pete’s sake, stop showing your ignorance. Here is a history lesson for you.

https://www.marshall.edu/library/bannedbooks/to-kill-a-mockingbird/

DP. "For Pete's sake" yourself! If you're going to take a condescending tone like that with posters, at least DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST.

The left is not even remotely "most of the efforts" to ban Mockingbird. NOT EVEN. Biloxi, Acckomack, Brentwood, Vernon-Verona, Hanover VA etc were all right-wing-driven bans, as were many others missing from the Marshall list, like Lindale TX (right wing, 1996), Park Hill MO (right wing, 1985), Casa Grande AZ (1985), Southood HS (1995) and so on.

Here is the bottom line: There IS NO national left-wing book-banning effort, whereas there are MANY of these on the right. The left has nothing even remotely analogous to "Moms for Liberty" and "No Left Turn in Education" and other right wing groups pushing for state and national bans. The only bans on the left have been isolated and local.

The overwhelming majority of book bans are coming from the right wing. https://abcnews.go.com/US/conservative-liberal-book-bans-differ-amid-rise-literary/story?id=96267846 The right wing has been pushing new laws in Florida, Iowa, Texas, Utah etc which PEN American found are driving many book bans. https://www.commondreams.org/news/book-banning-2023 The left has no such legislative push. Similarly, an Oxford study of 2,523 book bans in the 2021-2022 school year found that bans were overwhelmingly in right-leaning counties, and targeted books by authors of color, and LGBTQ themes. https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/3/6/pgae197/7689238

So your "oh for Pete's sake" is entirely misplaced and you are completely out of line with any semblance of reality whatsoever in trying to falsely claim that the left is pushing the majority of book bans.

The left banned a number of Dr. Seuss books. Previously they banned Uncle Tom’s Cabin and many other books.

Don’t forget Little House on the Prairie.

Partisans only see the failings of the other side, but don’t own their own failures.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not right wing. But where I live (deep blue state, deep blue district, deep blue school board) the only serious efforts at book banning have come from the left. There aren’t enough right-wingers here to even try it.

The left here has also tried to decimate rigor in education, kept the schools closed for far longer than necessary, enacted restorative justice that destroyed classroom discipline, and stopped having kids read whole books because whole books were too hard to understand.

I just can’t see the Democrats as the party of education any more.

Nope. Rs as a whole are trying to destroy education in this country so the electorate is
uneducated. They don’t believe in science and trying to undermine universities.

Why are red states at the bottom
in education?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not right wing. But where I live (deep blue state, deep blue district, deep blue school board) the only serious efforts at book banning have come from the left. There aren’t enough right-wingers here to even try it.

The left here has also tried to decimate rigor in education, kept the schools closed for far longer than necessary, enacted restorative justice that destroyed classroom discipline, and stopped having kids read whole books because whole books were too hard to understand.

I just can’t see the Democrats as the party of education any more.

Nope. Rs as a whole are trying to destroy education in this country so the electorate is
uneducated. They don’t believe in science and trying to undermine universities.

Why are red states at the bottom
in education?

Just desperately repeating talking points doesn’t do a lot to persuade people whose lived experiences teach them that Democrats care no more about education than Republicans.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

there is a difference between gutting and what you see as not helping.

The Rs are gutting education. They don’t believe in science, attacking universities, banning books.

How is that any different than destroying rigor, like the Democrats are doing?

As for attacking universities, for many universities that call is coming from inside the house.

And removing graphic novels from school libraries that depict sex scenes that are too X-rated to show anywhere else is not bothersome to me. I’m with the Republicans on that. Kids do not need their school libraries providing them pornography.

No. You can’t equate this at all. R’s are purposely destroying education because they don’t want the electorate to be educated. Uneducated people are easier to manipulate.

As far as banning books, you think this is all about porn??? Wake up. Dog Man was banned in Florida schools. Also many classics have been banned like To Kill a Mockingbird and a kids book called Freckleface Strawberry.

The banning of TKOM has come from the left, not the right.

The right wanted it banned because of the racial themes, depicting white characters as villains, "promoting a divisive view of American history" and so on - it was banned in Biloxi MS, Hanover VA, Park Hill MS, Lindale TX and other places by the right because it made white people uncomfortable.

https://www.history.com/articles/why-to-kill-a-mockingbird-keeps-getting-banned

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/to-kill-a-mockingbird-remains-among-top-banned-classical-novels

Most of the efforts come from the left, because of the depiction of Black Americans. Learn your book banning history.

You’re blatantly lying.

Oh for Pete’s sake, stop showing your ignorance. Here is a history lesson for you.

https://www.marshall.edu/library/bannedbooks/to-kill-a-mockingbird/

DP. "For Pete's sake" yourself! If you're going to take a condescending tone like that with posters, at least DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST.

The left is not even remotely "most of the efforts" to ban Mockingbird. NOT EVEN. Biloxi, Acckomack, Brentwood, Vernon-Verona, Hanover VA etc were all right-wing-driven bans, as were many others missing from the Marshall list, like Lindale TX (right wing, 1996), Park Hill MO (right wing, 1985), Casa Grande AZ (1985), Southood HS (1995) and so on.

Here is the bottom line: There IS NO national left-wing book-banning effort, whereas there are MANY of these on the right. The left has nothing even remotely analogous to "Moms for Liberty" and "No Left Turn in Education" and other right wing groups pushing for state and national bans. The only bans on the left have been isolated and local.

The overwhelming majority of book bans are coming from the right wing. https://abcnews.go.com/US/conservative-liberal-book-bans-differ-amid-rise-literary/story?id=96267846 The right wing has been pushing new laws in Florida, Iowa, Texas, Utah etc which PEN American found are driving many book bans. https://www.commondreams.org/news/book-banning-2023 The left has no such legislative push. Similarly, an Oxford study of 2,523 book bans in the 2021-2022 school year found that bans were overwhelmingly in right-leaning counties, and targeted books by authors of color, and LGBTQ themes. https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/3/6/pgae197/7689238

So your "oh for Pete's sake" is entirely misplaced and you are completely out of line with any semblance of reality whatsoever in trying to falsely claim that the left is pushing the majority of book bans.

The left banned a number of Dr. Seuss books. Previously they banned Uncle Tom’s Cabin and many other books.

Don’t forget Little House on the Prairie.

Partisans only see the failings of the other side, but don’t own their own failures.

DP. Absolutely. Some more titles liberals tried (and sometimes succeeded) in banning:

The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
Of Mice and Men
To Kill a Mockingbird
Dr. Seuss titles
etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not right wing. But where I live (deep blue state, deep blue district, deep blue school board) the only serious efforts at book banning have come from the left. There aren’t enough right-wingers here to even try it.

The left here has also tried to decimate rigor in education, kept the schools closed for far longer than necessary, enacted restorative justice that destroyed classroom discipline, and stopped having kids read whole books because whole books were too hard to understand.

I just can’t see the Democrats as the party of education any more.

+1000
The dumbing down of education is most definitely coming from the left. The idea that kids should now only be assigned excerpts to read because they "couldn't possibly" manage to read entire books comes from the left. Our all-D school board advocates idiotic policies like this.