I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008

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Anonymous wrote:I think people need to distinguish between economic and social issues. Democrats lost an enormous amount of voters in recent years with their social priorities, both locally and nationally. Restorative Justice in schools really wrecked a lot of schools because now bullies and disruptive students have no consequences whatsoever. And that's made a lot of public schools a nightmare - and I can guarantee a lot of very liberal parents are appalled by what Democrats have done in this space. And every parent remembers local Democrats closing public schools for a year and a half while allowing private schools, bars, and restaurants to remain open.

Do not underestimate how pissed off people are when it comes to what Democrats did to public schools and kids. That is a huge issue. Democrats lost a lot of families there.

And Democrats lost a lot of other people with their encouragement of unrestricted illegal migration. Letting millions walk across the border hurt communities everywhere, especially the working and middle class. From wage pressure to higher housing costs to demands on social services to schools to crime.

Speaking of crime, why on earth are Democrats so enthusiastic about advocating for violent men rather than their victims? Another huge loss.

And DEI. Everyone understands the legacy of slavery. But it's 2025, not 1925. Preferential hiring and promotions based on race is going to piss off 85 percent of the electorate.

However, most middle class Americans understand the present economic system isn't working for them. Inflation. The costs of health care. Retirement. The quality of schools. And a hundred other real life issues.

Trump and Republicans suck. But Democrats are so lost that they offer absolutely nothing. I mean 83 year old geriatric Joe Biden? The B team diversity candidate Kamala Harris? And now what - sleaze-ball shapeshifter Gavin Newsom?

If Bernie Sanders was 20 years younger, it'd be ok. 65 year old Bernie Sanders would win in a heartbeat today. But he's 83 - too old. In the meantime, there is nothing compelling in the Democratic Party. No future Obama or anything. There is nothing about anything in the modern Democratic Party. It's just... vapor. And that makes people angry and feeling lost. This is prime time for a third party, because Democrats are an absolute failure when it comes to providing an alternative to MAGA.

I don't understand what Democrats did to schools. My one kid just graduated high school, and her experience was fine.

Omg how are people this clueless

Removing advanced classes in the name of equity
Keeping schools closed down for years due to COVID when many schools remained open the entire time with no issues
Forcing kids to be schooled with students who disruptive and bullying
Removing teaching techniques that work and replacing them with half-baked nonsense

What are you taking about?

My kid took plenty of AP and DE classes.
They excelled in online classes during COVID.
They were never bullied.
They never complained about the teaching techniques and graduated with a gpa close to 4.2.

Online schooling was a disaster for many kids, especially early elementary. Many kids can’t read or their parents were forced to get tutors because of the move away from phonics instruction to the Lucy Caulkins cueing system. Perhaps your school wasn’t impacted by the push away from higher level classes in the name of equity, but some are.

It’s great that your kids didn’t suffer from these policies, but many did and many parents have moved away from the Democratic Party because of them.

In person schooling is a disaster for many kids.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

there is a difference between gutting and what you see as not helping.

The Rs are gutting education. They don’t believe in science, attacking universities, banning books.

How is that any different than destroying rigor, like the Democrats are doing?

As for attacking universities, for many universities that call is coming from inside the house.

And removing graphic novels from school libraries that depict sex scenes that are too X-rated to show anywhere else is not bothersome to me. I’m with the Republicans on that. Kids do not need their school libraries providing them pornography.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

Yes, they don't joust straw men as a form of political debate, you know like yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

there is a difference between gutting and what you see as not helping.

The Rs are gutting education. They don’t believe in science, attacking universities, banning books.

How is that any different than destroying rigor, like the Democrats are doing?

As for attacking universities, for many universities that call is coming from inside the house.

And removing graphic novels from school libraries that depict sex scenes that are too X-rated to show anywhere else is not bothersome to me. I’m with the Republicans on that. Kids do not need their school libraries providing them pornography.

No. You can’t equate this at all. R’s are purposely destroying education because they don’t want the electorate to be educated. Uneducated people are easier to manipulate.

As far as banning books, you think this is all about porn??? Wake up. Dog Man was banned in Florida schools. Also many classics have been banned like To Kill a Mockingbird and a kids book called Freckleface Strawberry.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

Yes, they don't joust straw men as a form of political debate, you know like yourself.

???

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

Yes, they don't joust straw men as a form of political debate, you know like yourself.

???

Embarassing isn't tried to argue with a strawman and lost.

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest issue with DEI is that as adopted by corporations and universities, it is implemented as a means of anti-labor. Obviously it would be great to teach accurate history, including but not limited to the horrors and violence of slavery. But the practical impact is anti-labor.

The impact was truly racist. Bloomberg did a study and proved this to be factual.

It turned me against DEI entirely.

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest issue with DEI is that as adopted by corporations and universities, it is implemented as a means of anti-labor. Obviously it would be great to teach accurate history, including but not limited to the horrors and violence of slavery. But the practical impact is anti-labor.

The impact was truly racist. Bloomberg did a study and proved this to be factual.

It turned me against DEI entirely.

94% percent of new jobs in 2023 were given exclusively to BIPOCs.

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest issue with DEI is that as adopted by corporations and universities, it is implemented as a means of anti-labor. Obviously it would be great to teach accurate history, including but not limited to the horrors and violence of slavery. But the practical impact is anti-labor.

The impact was truly racist. Bloomberg did a study and proved this to be factual.

It turned me against DEI entirely.

94% percent of new jobs in 2023 were given exclusively to BIPOCs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/?embedded-checkout=true

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Looks like OP and some other posters are suffering from confirmation bias...hanging out with each other in their small, exclusive, comfy circles and thinking the rest of the country thinks as they do...lol...even Europe is seeing a lurch rightward. Talk about heads in the sand!

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

there is a difference between gutting and what you see as not helping.

The Rs are gutting education. They don’t believe in science, attacking universities, banning books.

How is that any different than destroying rigor, like the Democrats are doing?

As for attacking universities, for many universities that call is coming from inside the house.

And removing graphic novels from school libraries that depict sex scenes that are too X-rated to show anywhere else is not bothersome to me. I’m with the Republicans on that. Kids do not need their school libraries providing them pornography.

No. You can’t equate this at all. R’s are purposely destroying education because they don’t want the electorate to be educated. Uneducated people are easier to manipulate.

As far as banning books, you think this is all about porn??? Wake up. Dog Man was banned in Florida schools. Also many classics have been banned like To Kill a Mockingbird and a kids book called Freckleface Strawberry.

The banning of TKOM has come from the left, not the right.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people need to distinguish between economic and social issues. Democrats lost an enormous amount of voters in recent years with their social priorities, both locally and nationally. Restorative Justice in schools really wrecked a lot of schools because now bullies and disruptive students have no consequences whatsoever. And that's made a lot of public schools a nightmare - and I can guarantee a lot of very liberal parents are appalled by what Democrats have done in this space. And every parent remembers local Democrats closing public schools for a year and a half while allowing private schools, bars, and restaurants to remain open.

Do not underestimate how pissed off people are when it comes to what Democrats did to public schools and kids. That is a huge issue. Democrats lost a lot of families there.

And Democrats lost a lot of other people with their encouragement of unrestricted illegal migration. Letting millions walk across the border hurt communities everywhere, especially the working and middle class. From wage pressure to higher housing costs to demands on social services to schools to crime.

Speaking of crime, why on earth are Democrats so enthusiastic about advocating for violent men rather than their victims? Another huge loss.

And DEI. Everyone understands the legacy of slavery. But it's 2025, not 1925. Preferential hiring and promotions based on race is going to piss off 85 percent of the electorate.

However, most middle class Americans understand the present economic system isn't working for them. Inflation. The costs of health care. Retirement. The quality of schools. And a hundred other real life issues.

Trump and Republicans suck. But Democrats are so lost that they offer absolutely nothing. I mean 83 year old geriatric Joe Biden? The B team diversity candidate Kamala Harris? And now what - sleaze-ball shapeshifter Gavin Newsom?

If Bernie Sanders was 20 years younger, it'd be ok. 65 year old Bernie Sanders would win in a heartbeat today. But he's 83 - too old. In the meantime, there is nothing compelling in the Democratic Party. No future Obama or anything. There is nothing about anything in the modern Democratic Party. It's just... vapor. And that makes people angry and feeling lost. This is prime time for a third party, because Democrats are an absolute failure when it comes to providing an alternative to MAGA.

I don't understand what Democrats did to schools. My one kid just graduated high school, and her experience was fine.

Omg how are people this clueless

Removing advanced classes in the name of equity
Keeping schools closed down for years due to COVID when many schools remained open the entire time with no issues
Forcing kids to be schooled with students who disruptive and bullying
Removing teaching techniques that work and replacing them with half-baked nonsense

What are you taking about?

My kid took plenty of AP and DE classes.
They excelled in online classes during COVID.
They were never bullied.
They never complained about the teaching techniques and graduated with a gpa close to 4.2.

Online schooling was a disaster for many kids, especially early elementary. Many kids can’t read or their parents were forced to get tutors because of the move away from phonics instruction to the Lucy Caulkins cueing system. Perhaps your school wasn’t impacted by the push away from higher level classes in the name of equity, but some are.

It’s great that your kids didn’t suffer from these policies, but many did and many parents have moved away from the Democratic Party because of them.

I'm not sure where you are getting your notion that "Democrats" are pushing Lucy Calkins - that's typically been a local school board choice and not any kind of national initiative. That said, Democrats have in fact been among those leading the charge pushing back inadequate literacy programs like Calkins and asking school boards to focus on phonics and proven, evidence-based programs that actually improve outcomes, as part of the "Science of Reading" movement which has phonics as its core. New York City for example dropped Calkins curriculum after pressure from Democrats due to showing poor literacy outcomes. Your decision to move away from Democrats because of Calkins was misinformed and if your local school district is still teaching Calkins they are behind the times and out of step with Democrats. Calkins is being phased out in favor of phonics and evidence-based literacy, and Democrats are very much part of fixing that.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

there is a difference between gutting and what you see as not helping.

The Rs are gutting education. They don’t believe in science, attacking universities, banning books.

How is that any different than destroying rigor, like the Democrats are doing?

As for attacking universities, for many universities that call is coming from inside the house.

And removing graphic novels from school libraries that depict sex scenes that are too X-rated to show anywhere else is not bothersome to me. I’m with the Republicans on that. Kids do not need their school libraries providing them pornography.

No. You can’t equate this at all. R’s are purposely destroying education because they don’t want the electorate to be educated. Uneducated people are easier to manipulate.

As far as banning books, you think this is all about porn??? Wake up. Dog Man was banned in Florida schools. Also many classics have been banned like To Kill a Mockingbird and a kids book called Freckleface Strawberry.

The banning of TKOM has come from the left, not the right.

The right wanted it banned because of the racial themes, depicting white characters as villains, "promoting a divisive view of American history" and so on - it was banned in Biloxi MS, Hanover VA, Park Hill MS, Lindale TX and other places by the right because it made white people uncomfortable.

https://www.history.com/articles/why-to-kill-a-mockingbird-keeps-getting-banned

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/to-kill-a-mockingbird-remains-among-top-banned-classical-novels

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

there is a difference between gutting and what you see as not helping.

The Rs are gutting education. They don’t believe in science, attacking universities, banning books.

How is that any different than destroying rigor, like the Democrats are doing?

As for attacking universities, for many universities that call is coming from inside the house.

And removing graphic novels from school libraries that depict sex scenes that are too X-rated to show anywhere else is not bothersome to me. I’m with the Republicans on that. Kids do not need their school libraries providing them pornography.

No. You can’t equate this at all. R’s are purposely destroying education because they don’t want the electorate to be educated. Uneducated people are easier to manipulate.

As far as banning books, you think this is all about porn??? Wake up. Dog Man was banned in Florida schools. Also many classics have been banned like To Kill a Mockingbird and a kids book called Freckleface Strawberry.

The banning of TKOM has come from the left, not the right.

The right wanted it banned because of the racial themes, depicting white characters as villains, "promoting a divisive view of American history" and so on - it was banned in Biloxi MS, Hanover VA, Park Hill MS, Lindale TX and other places by the right because it made white people uncomfortable.

https://www.history.com/articles/why-to-kill-a-mockingbird-keeps-getting-banned

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/to-kill-a-mockingbird-remains-among-top-banned-classical-novels

Most of the efforts come from the left, because of the depiction of Black Americans. Learn your book banning history.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

So you think R’s are better? They don’t believe in science. Red states are at bottom with education. They are trying to undermine universities. They want to ban books. They don’t want the electorate educated. Stupid is better for them.


Wake up!

I don’t think Rs are better. Of course they are not. But I used to think Ds were better and now I think both parties are equally bad on education.

It essentially removes education for me as a factor in considering candidates. Neither party cares or will help.

there is a difference between gutting and what you see as not helping.

The Rs are gutting education. They don’t believe in science, attacking universities, banning books.

How is that any different than destroying rigor, like the Democrats are doing?

As for attacking universities, for many universities that call is coming from inside the house.

And removing graphic novels from school libraries that depict sex scenes that are too X-rated to show anywhere else is not bothersome to me. I’m with the Republicans on that. Kids do not need their school libraries providing them pornography.

No. You can’t equate this at all. R’s are purposely destroying education because they don’t want the electorate to be educated. Uneducated people are easier to manipulate.

As far as banning books, you think this is all about porn??? Wake up. Dog Man was banned in Florida schools. Also many classics have been banned like To Kill a Mockingbird and a kids book called Freckleface Strawberry.

The banning of TKOM has come from the left, not the right.

The right wanted it banned because of the racial themes, depicting white characters as villains, "promoting a divisive view of American history" and so on - it was banned in Biloxi MS, Hanover VA, Park Hill MS, Lindale TX and other places by the right because it made white people uncomfortable.

https://www.history.com/articles/why-to-kill-a-mockingbird-keeps-getting-banned

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/to-kill-a-mockingbird-remains-among-top-banned-classical-novels

Most of the efforts come from the left, because of the depiction of Black Americans. Learn your book banning history.

You’re blatantly lying.