New OPM memo on RTO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Though Feds may hate RTO, they did it for themselves. As others have said, Fed employees are outliers in every community regarding actions that make neighbors question their dedication to their jobs, ones that oftentimes pay very well and have outsized benefits.

The typical Fed employee response to this is that others are just jealous. Well, yes…or a sense that taxpayers are paying for freeloaders, which seems unfair. Ultimately, people don’t like being treated differently for similar work, and increasingly private-sector workers feel that they are treated differently than public workers. And no, the solution isn’t for all private-sector workers to get a government job. The answer is for public-sector workers to RTO.

Very well put.

What a cute sock puppet you’ve made!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NAME ONE WHITE COLLAR JOB THAT CAN NEVER EVER TELEWORK. ILL WAIT.

Right? Telework benefits the employer. They love having access to employees 24/7.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Though Feds may hate RTO, they did it for themselves. As others have said, Fed employees are outliers in every community regarding actions that make neighbors question their dedication to their jobs, ones that oftentimes pay very well and have outsized benefits.

The typical Fed employee response to this is that others are just jealous. Well, yes…or a sense that taxpayers are paying for freeloaders, which seems unfair. Ultimately, people don’t like being treated differently for similar work, and increasingly private-sector workers feel that they are treated differently than public workers. And no, the solution isn’t for all private-sector workers to get a government job. The answer is for public-sector workers to RTO.

Most of the white collar private sector workers I know are able to work from home at least some of the time.

All white collar jobs (including federal) are affirmatively expected to telework. Name the white collar job where nobody checks their cell phone after work and nobody ever works on the weekends at home or late at night. Doesn’t exist.

[Anonymous]

The typical Fed employee response to this is that others are just jealous. Well, yes…or a sense that taxpayers are paying for freeloaders, which seems unfair. Ultimately, people don’t like being treated differently for similar work, and increasingly private-sector workers feel that they are treated differently than public workers. And no, the solution isn’t for all private-sector workers to get a government job. The answer is for public-sector workers to RTO.

How was it not equal/fair for comparable jobs? I am a DOJ attorney, and was 3 days per week in the office, more if you had an argument or in person depo scheduled another day. My friends at DC firms are also 3 days per week in the office, more if you have a particular in-office obligation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NAME ONE WHITE COLLAR JOB THAT CAN NEVER EVER TELEWORK. ILL WAIT.

Right? Telework benefits the employer. They love having access to employees 24/7.

+1.

[Anonymous]

The link works-the memo is legit

https://www.chcoc.gov/content/guidance-presidential-memorandum-return-person-work

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Though Feds may hate RTO, they did it for themselves. As others have said, Fed employees are outliers in every community regarding actions that make neighbors question their dedication to their jobs, ones that oftentimes pay very well and have outsized benefits.

The typical Fed employee response to this is that others are just jealous. Well, yes…or a sense that taxpayers are paying for freeloaders, which seems unfair. Ultimately, people don’t like being treated differently for similar work, and increasingly private-sector workers feel that they are treated differently than public workers. And no, the solution isn’t for all private-sector workers to get a government job. The answer is for public-sector workers to RTO.

Very well put.

What a cute sock puppet you’ve made!

You wish! I wrote the larger comment that this poster responded to. We’re not the same people. You, on the other hand, are all over this board, as your attitude/tone/style is obvious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NAME ONE WHITE COLLAR JOB THAT CAN NEVER EVER TELEWORK. ILL WAIT.

Right? Telework benefits the employer. They love having access to employees 24/7.

+1.

Well now they can’t have access to me 24/7. No TW agreement= no TW. I’ll be basking in the sun at 4pm on Fridays. No more late calls or hopping on at the last min. Hooray! Maybe in some weird way this is a blessing in disguise. My white collar friends will be putting in 50+hrs and I’ll just have my 40hrs on the books in person-boom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amazing how OP happened to have “found” the link for the few minutes it was posted. Amazing. I guess he was just refreshing the opm website all evening?

There's an RSS feed that notifies people of new policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The typical Fed employee response to this is that others are just jealous. Well, yes…or a sense that taxpayers are paying for freeloaders, which seems unfair. Ultimately, people don’t like being treated differently for similar work, and increasingly private-sector workers feel that they are treated differently than public workers. And no, the solution isn’t for all private-sector workers to get a government job. The answer is for public-sector workers to RTO.

How was it not equal/fair for comparable jobs? I am a DOJ attorney, and was 3 days per week in the office, more if you had an argument or in person depo scheduled another day. My friends at DC firms are also 3 days per week in the office, more if you have a particular in-office obligation.

A fair and very reasonable position. Unfortunately, there are too many Feds who don’t come in to the office, ever, and they blatantly disregard the suggested RTO policy, which is something that you cannot do in the private sector without losing your job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m worried about how much leave I’ll now need to take now that you can’t TW before or after let’s say an appt or running a kid off to soccer practice. TW allows the opportunity to flex your time and not to mention most private sector companies do things like summer Fridays off or two week shut down during the holidays as part of their work/life balance packages. We’ve basically been stripped of any work/life balance. Which is why I ultimately will need to leave. I need some balance and flexibility.

I’d love for everyone threatening to leave their federal jobs to report back in a year and let us know if that actually happened.

+1

Like the people who claimed they’d leave the country when Trump won.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Though Feds may hate RTO, they did it for themselves. As others have said, Fed employees are outliers in every community regarding actions that make neighbors question their dedication to their jobs, ones that oftentimes pay very well and have outsized benefits.

The typical Fed employee response to this is that others are just jealous. Well, yes…or a sense that taxpayers are paying for freeloaders, which seems unfair. Ultimately, people don’t like being treated differently for similar work, and increasingly private-sector workers feel that they are treated differently than public workers. And no, the solution isn’t for all private-sector workers to get a government job. The answer is for public-sector workers to RTO.

Very well put.

What a cute sock puppet you’ve made!

You wish! I wrote the larger comment that this poster responded to. We’re not the same people. You, on the other hand, are all over this board, as your attitude/tone/style is obvious.

Aww, it’s not nice to lash out just because you got caught.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Though Feds may hate RTO, they did it for themselves. As others have said, Fed employees are outliers in every community regarding actions that make neighbors question their dedication to their jobs, ones that oftentimes pay very well and have outsized benefits.

The typical Fed employee response to this is that others are just jealous. Well, yes…or a sense that taxpayers are paying for freeloaders, which seems unfair. Ultimately, people don’t like being treated differently for similar work, and increasingly private-sector workers feel that they are treated differently than public workers. And no, the solution isn’t for all private-sector workers to get a government job. The answer is for public-sector workers to RTO.

Very well put.

What a cute sock puppet you’ve made!

You wish! I wrote the larger comment that this poster responded to. We’re not the same people. You, on the other hand, are all over this board, as your attitude/tone/style is obvious.

Oh, and it’s also not very nice to lie

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The typical Fed employee response to this is that others are just jealous. Well, yes…or a sense that taxpayers are paying for freeloaders, which seems unfair. Ultimately, people don’t like being treated differently for similar work, and increasingly private-sector workers feel that they are treated differently than public workers. And no, the solution isn’t for all private-sector workers to get a government job. The answer is for public-sector workers to RTO.

How was it not equal/fair for comparable jobs? I am a DOJ attorney, and was 3 days per week in the office, more if you had an argument or in person depo scheduled another day. My friends at DC firms are also 3 days per week in the office, more if you have a particular in-office obligation.

A fair and very reasonable position. Unfortunately, there are too many Feds who don’t come in to the office, ever, and they blatantly disregard the suggested RTO policy, which is something that you cannot do in the private sector without losing your job.

Ding ding ding. Here was the reasonable answer- make it easier for middle managers to monitor and fire under performers. I don’t think you all understand the hoops managers have had to go through.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NAME ONE WHITE COLLAR JOB THAT CAN NEVER EVER TELEWORK. ILL WAIT.

Right? Telework benefits the employer. They love having access to employees 24/7.

+1.

Well now they can’t have access to me 24/7. No TW agreement= no TW. I’ll be basking in the sun at 4pm on Fridays. No more late calls or hopping on at the last min. Hooray! Maybe in some weird way this is a blessing in disguise. My white collar friends will be putting in 50+hrs and I’ll just have my 40hrs on the books in person-boom.

This won’t work. Management will just give you a bad performance review and will get rid of you.