New OPM memo on RTO

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Anonymous wrote:The page is still not found. Why would they post it for ten minutes and take it down?

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Return%20to%20Office%20Guidance%20Memorandum%201-22-25.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:The page is still not found. Why would they post it for ten minutes and take it down?

It was clearly a joke/troll.

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Though Feds may hate RTO, they did it for themselves. As others have said, Fed employees are outliers in every community regarding actions that make neighbors question their dedication to their jobs, ones that oftentimes pay very well and have outsized benefits.

The typical Fed employee response to this is that others are just jealous. Well, yes…or a sense that taxpayers are paying for freeloaders, which seems unfair. Ultimately, people don’t like being treated differently for similar work, and increasingly private-sector workers feel that they are treated differently than public workers. And no, the solution isn’t for all private-sector workers to get a government job. The answer is for public-sector workers to RTO.

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Anonymous wrote:You're not legalesing you're way out of this people. It's back to the office. 5 days per week. So many snowflakes when the grocery store worker has to go in everyday or the mechanic fixing your car does too. Big whoop, you have to click a computer mouse for a few hours per day in the office so you can't sleep at home and use time on the clock to babysit your kids. Welcome to the real world like the rest of America.

Sorry to ruin your party but most of us have union contracts that protect for years to come...and I do not have kids at home. I work.

Post the language here so we can see it.

Oh, what will you do with the info?

Then I will believe it. I want to see a CNA that actually guarantees telework because mine does not.

Why don’t you post the language from yours?

Np. The HHS NTEU contract (signed 2023 and good for 5 years) says “Regular and recurring telework may be performed for up to eight (8) days per pay period (e.g., Monday-Thursday or each week), unless the employee is approved for remote work. Employees on routine telework must normally report to the official duty station (ODS) at least twice per pay period..”

that’s not the operative language. There’s almost certainly another section spelling out that the employee’s requested telework schedule can only be denied for a narrow set of reasons. “Up to” just means that it’s not all-or-nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:It’ll be interesting to see how the region handles the feds back 100%. Our agency had 3 days a week telework since at least 2015 (probably longer). Can we open Beach drive now, folks?

4 lanes on Connecticut during rush hour, please!

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Anonymous wrote:Though Feds may hate RTO, they did it for themselves. As others have said, Fed employees are outliers in every community regarding actions that make neighbors question their dedication to their jobs, ones that oftentimes pay very well and have outsized benefits.

The typical Fed employee response to this is that others are just jealous. Well, yes…or a sense that taxpayers are paying for freeloaders, which seems unfair. Ultimately, people don’t like being treated differently for similar work, and increasingly private-sector workers feel that they are treated differently than public workers. And no, the solution isn’t for all private-sector workers to get a government job. The answer is for public-sector workers to RTO.

Honestly STFU. We all know you’re lying with a weird hard-on for the people who work for the government.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really annoyed. If people had just gone in 3 days a week like they wanted us to, I think they wouldn’t have gone to such extremes.

I feel the same.

Yes. I blame Biden. He didn’t come down hard enough. Heck even his own EOP offices were TW more than we were. He let agencies get away with hardly complying with RTO and well here we are.

I'm tired of Democrats getting blamed because Republicans are cruel. Republicans have been attacking feds.for decades, Biden isn't responsible for this.

Agree. Plus it isn’t like other sectors aren’t teleworking. I know tons of remote and telework people who work with private companies.

Agree. I will be the only one going in full time. Most of my private sector neighbors cant fathom my current 3 times a week in the office.

Seriously. I am the only person on my street who goes to an office of any kind. Even my Trump supporting neighbor works remotely.

Here’s the thing - this isn’t most of the US. Even where I live in the DMV most of my street is blue collar, or in medical, law enforcement, etc. jobs. They’ve been in-person the entire time and spare absolutely zero tears for feds complaining about having to do what they’ve been doing all along.

And yes you can say, “but I’m more productive at home!” Or “my job doesn’t require me to be in the office” but people outside of your bubble don’t care. And they spoke with their vote.

Now they may change their mind when their commutes are miserable with that many more cars on the road, sometimes the dog chases the car and then doesn’t know what to do with it. But next time let’s ensure the Dems have a viable candidate.

You are crazy to think that federal remote work was the motivating issue in the last election.

Definitely not, but everyone on my street - nurses, professors, attorneys, business executives, etc. have been back in the office a minimum of 3 days/week for years, and it hasn’t gone unnoticed that my Fed neighbors walk their dogs, pick up and drop off their kids, cut their lawn, etc., regularly, during the work day. Additionally, many of them “work” remotely from vacation destinations for multiple weeks of the year. I know of no other large group of workers - blue collar or professional that are able to abuse the system in that way.

You know of no other professional that does that? I do. I know a lawyer that works from the beach. You’re making up nonsense. And the Feds I work with, scientists, don’t do what you’re asserting. Get a life.

PP lives in Busytown where there’s a nurse, a teacher, a truck driver, and a fireman all on the same street. He’s good friends with all of them, and they all chat about their exact schedules and their feelings on federal employees! None of them work from home. He’d respond to you himself, but he just hopped in the apple car to take Huckle Cat to school.

LoL, so THAT'S why he's so different from the rest of DCUM, where everyone makes at least $400k with great work life balance because they DESERVE it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really annoyed. If people had just gone in 3 days a week like they wanted us to, I think they wouldn’t have gone to such extremes.

I feel the same.

Yes. I blame Biden. He didn’t come down hard enough. Heck even his own EOP offices were TW more than we were. He let agencies get away with hardly complying with RTO and well here we are.

I'm tired of Democrats getting blamed because Republicans are cruel. Republicans have been attacking feds.for decades, Biden isn't responsible for this.

Agree. Plus it isn’t like other sectors aren’t teleworking. I know tons of remote and telework people who work with private companies.

Agree. I will be the only one going in full time. Most of my private sector neighbors cant fathom my current 3 times a week in the office.

Seriously. I am the only person on my street who goes to an office of any kind. Even my Trump supporting neighbor works remotely.

Here’s the thing - this isn’t most of the US. Even where I live in the DMV most of my street is blue collar, or in medical, law enforcement, etc. jobs. They’ve been in-person the entire time and spare absolutely zero tears for feds complaining about having to do what they’ve been doing all along.

And yes you can say, “but I’m more productive at home!” Or “my job doesn’t require me to be in the office” but people outside of your bubble don’t care. And they spoke with their vote.

Now they may change their mind when their commutes are miserable with that many more cars on the road, sometimes the dog chases the car and then doesn’t know what to do with it. But next time let’s ensure the Dems have a viable candidate.

You are crazy to think that federal remote work was the motivating issue in the last election.

Definitely not, but everyone on my street - nurses, professors, attorneys, business executives, etc. have been back in the office a minimum of 3 days/week for years, and it hasn’t gone unnoticed that my Fed neighbors walk their dogs, pick up and drop off their kids, cut their lawn, etc., regularly, during the work day. Additionally, many of them “work” remotely from vacation destinations for multiple weeks of the year. I know of no other large group of workers - blue collar or professional that are able to abuse the system in that way.

You know of no other professional that does that? I do. I know a lawyer that works from the beach. You’re making up nonsense. And the Feds I work with, scientists, don’t do what you’re asserting. Get a life.

PP lives in Busytown where there’s a nurse, a teacher, a truck driver, and a fireman all on the same street. He’s good friends with all of them, and they all chat about their exact schedules and their feelings on federal employees! None of them work from home. He’d respond to you himself, but he just hopped in the apple car to take Huckle Cat to school.

Huckle Cat! PP thank you so much for the needed laugh - a ray of sunshine in an otherwise dreary day!

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Anonymous wrote:Though Feds may hate RTO, they did it for themselves. As others have said, Fed employees are outliers in every community regarding actions that make neighbors question their dedication to their jobs, ones that oftentimes pay very well and have outsized benefits.

The typical Fed employee response to this is that others are just jealous. Well, yes…or a sense that taxpayers are paying for freeloaders, which seems unfair. Ultimately, people don’t like being treated differently for similar work, and increasingly private-sector workers feel that they are treated differently than public workers. And no, the solution isn’t for all private-sector workers to get a government job. The answer is for public-sector workers to RTO.

Very well put.

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Anonymous wrote:I Don’t envy the HR dude who has to go through 2 million badges and confirm that each employee indeed was in the office and cross reference those hours to time cards. Then if something doesn’t foot, initiate an investigation and determine what happened.

Sounds like a lot of work.

Every 2 weeks.

That system is notoriously glitchy, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Though Feds may hate RTO, they did it for themselves. As others have said, Fed employees are outliers in every community regarding actions that make neighbors question their dedication to their jobs, ones that oftentimes pay very well and have outsized benefits.

The typical Fed employee response to this is that others are just jealous. Well, yes…or a sense that taxpayers are paying for freeloaders, which seems unfair. Ultimately, people don’t like being treated differently for similar work, and increasingly private-sector workers feel that they are treated differently than public workers. And no, the solution isn’t for all private-sector workers to get a government job. The answer is for public-sector workers to RTO.

Most of the white collar private sector workers I know are able to work from home at least some of the time.

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Amazing how OP happened to have “found” the link for the few minutes it was posted. Amazing. I guess he was just refreshing the opm website all evening?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Though Feds may hate RTO, they did it for themselves. As others have said, Fed employees are outliers in every community regarding actions that make neighbors question their dedication to their jobs, ones that oftentimes pay very well and have outsized benefits.

The typical Fed employee response to this is that others are just jealous. Well, yes…or a sense that taxpayers are paying for freeloaders, which seems unfair. Ultimately, people don’t like being treated differently for similar work, and increasingly private-sector workers feel that they are treated differently than public workers. And no, the solution isn’t for all private-sector workers to get a government job. The answer is for public-sector workers to RTO.

No, the answer is to mandate private sector give more benefits and telework to be equal to public sector.

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NAME ONE WHITE COLLAR JOB THAT CAN NEVER EVER TELEWORK. ILL WAIT.

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I have been back in the office 3 days a week since 2022 (which is 27 hours because I work a 9 hour schedule). I only telework 3/10 days. My dh works in a SCIF and has never been able to telework so we’ve relied on my flexibility with our kids. My kids beg and plead to not have to go to aftercare 2 days a week. School is out at 2:40 and there’s zero way I can adjust my in office schedule to make that.