Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?

[Anonymous]

Regarding admin. Their hands are tied too. If they had carte blanche to administer discipline as they deem fit, they would. They are also being evaluated on discipline and believe me, central office is paying close attention to the demographic being disciplined and the number of times. Apparently schools that have a high suspension rate for certain demographics are given a warning. This scares the $h*t out of principals so they do what they can to protect themselves. Unfortunately, this affects students and teachers.

Regarding parents. The minute you tell them their precious snowflake is misbehaving, they become defensive, hostile, and accusatory. There is no village. No collaboration. No relationship. Parents don't want to hear it. Just fix it because their child is not the problem, and how dare you bother them with nonsense.

Regarding special education. Numbers are at an all time high. students from other countries are coming to the US to get special education services because their country either does not have a form of special education or no special education at all. I get it, they want the best for their kids but it is impacting the schools.

Regarding teachers. There is a huge shortage, and after reading this thread I can understand why. It's brutal. Verbal and physical abuse on a daily basis is enough to make anyone want to quit.

I guess I am a Debbie Downer because I do not think anything is going to change. We can't discipline because God forbid there is a demographic discrepancy. We can't make kids go to school. We can't withhold credit even though students don't do their work and end up failing (they will pass). We can't enforce a dress code because students should have creative freedom with the way they dress, and we better not hurt feelings by asking them to cover up just because the girls (and boys) want to wear tube tops and thong shorts on a random Wednesday.

[Anonymous]

Randomly ran across this YT suggested video. I'm a parent and not a teacher. Need to get the crazy kids and the sped kids out of gen ed. Stop defending these kids and terrible parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Randomly ran across this YT suggested video. I'm a parent and not a teacher. Need to get the crazy kids and the sped kids out of gen ed. Stop defending these kids and terrible parents.

My two are in their teenage years now; one is about to leave FCPS for college.

Both have personally told me of other kids who have overturned desks, thrown chairs across classrooms, stood on top of desks and screamed obscenities at teachers, etc.

FCPS’s school board’s policy is currently: evacuate the classroom of every other child in order to let the chair-thrower to calm down. Obviously all learning stops at that point. And the chair-throwing kid (most often a SPED kid, sorry to say) is back in class the next day, because “the school is concerned about the SPED kid’s possible learning loss.” No, I am not kidding.

Inclusion is what FCPS hides behind to justify their damaging policies. FCPS extreme interpretation of the “I” in DEI is harming every child in Fairfax county.

Of course SPED kids have a right to an education too. But SPED kids do not have a right to disrupt everyone else’s education, nor is there a right to inclusion in normal classes. Bringback specialized schools for the kids who need them. The extreme “inclusion” philosophy needs to end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump purportedly just signed an Executive Order making it easier for teachers and administrators to give consequences such as suspension. If you haven't seen that press conference of him signing a big stack of EOs related to education, it's wild looking around the room and... yes, judging a book by its cover. It's exactly the people who you think would be in the room, acting the way you'd expect them to act.

Hate to say it, but I actually applaud t-rump for this.

[Anonymous]

Omg. If this is true then the Trump admin made a major step forward for education. Next they should give reparations to teachers who had they careers messed up bc they fought the corruption and coverups in order to teacher needy students.

[Anonymous]

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Inclusion is what FCPS hides behind to justify their damaging policies. FCPS extreme interpretation of the “I” in DEI is harming every child in Fairfax county.

Of course SPED kids have a right to an education too. But SPED kids do not have a right to disrupt everyone else’s education, nor is there a right to inclusion in normal classes. Bringback specialized schools for the kids who need them. The extreme “inclusion” philosophy needs to end.”

I believe others have posted that there are some separate schools still but FCOS dramatically limits who can be sent to them for cost saving or other reasons. Regardless, yes - we need the changes PP mentions.

[Anonymous]

Special ed only schools are very expensive to run. The contract schools run long waitlists. FCPS would need a huge infusion of tax dollars or lots of cuts elsewhere to build and staff enough special ed schools to meet the need.

[Anonymous]

Sadly, a safe environment with minimal learning interruptions is an extra that you have to pay for. My kids are in private.

[Anonymous]

We are forced to keep crime in the classroom and silenced from reporting. It's either that or retaliation of new teachers who have no union protection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Special ed only schools are very expensive to run. The contract schools run long waitlists. FCPS would need a huge infusion of tax dollars or lots of cuts elsewhere to build and staff enough special ed schools to meet the need.

Huh. Self owned. So integrating into regular classrooms without this support is the answer? It's so obvious it's not. Teachers and students suffer.

[Anonymous]

NP. My kids both have kids in their classrooms that are out of control. One actually leaves at noon daily. My kid says they go home at noon, but I'm not sure and think maybe they're going to a special program. What upset me the most was that this problem kid was just moved to my kid's school. It's like they just pass the buck around.

Either way, none of the kids who are out of control are SPED. You all keep talking about special ed kids. These aren't special ed. I know many of the kids personally and they come from challenging home lives. One in my younger kid's class does have ADHD but I don't think you can blame violence on ADHD. The meds do help the kid though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. My kids both have kids in their classrooms that are out of control. One actually leaves at noon daily. My kid says they go home at noon, but I'm not sure and think maybe they're going to a special program. What upset me the most was that this problem kid was just moved to my kid's school. It's like they just pass the buck around.

Either way, none of the kids who are out of control are SPED. You all keep talking about special ed kids. These aren't special ed. I know many of the kids personally and they come from challenging home lives. One in my younger kid's class does have ADHD but I don't think you can blame violence on ADHD. The meds do help the kid though.

This is such a bad job of misdirection. Sure not all sped are out of control kids. But many sped kids are out of control in the classroom. And many out of control kids just haven't been diagnosed due to cost or indifference. The 2 are separate groups with a fair amount of overlap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Randomly ran across this YT suggested video. I'm a parent and not a teacher. Need to get the crazy kids and the sped kids out of gen ed. Stop defending these kids and terrible parents.

My two are in their teenage years now; one is about to leave FCPS for college.

Both have personally told me of other kids who have overturned desks, thrown chairs across classrooms, stood on top of desks and screamed obscenities at teachers, etc.

FCPS’s school board’s policy is currently: evacuate the classroom of every other child in order to let the chair-thrower to calm down. Obviously all learning stops at that point. And the chair-throwing kid (most often a SPED kid, sorry to say) is back in class the next day, because “the school is concerned about the SPED kid’s possible learning loss.” No, I am not kidding.

Inclusion is what FCPS hides behind to justify their damaging policies. FCPS extreme interpretation of the “I” in DEI is harming every child in Fairfax county.

Of course SPED kids have a right to an education too. But SPED kids do not have a right to disrupt everyone else’s education, nor is there a right to inclusion in normal classes. Bringback specialized schools for the kids who need them. The extreme “inclusion” philosophy needs to end.

Not all children requiring special education are behavior problems. Stop lumping them together. And stop saying SPED kids. It is rude. This is a child with that learns different. And part of the reason they need to learned differently is because of system is made for kids who sit quietly and listen. There is such little hands on and outdoor time kids are going crazy. It is not all the kids or parents fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Randomly ran across this YT suggested video. I'm a parent and not a teacher. Need to get the crazy kids and the sped kids out of gen ed. Stop defending these kids and terrible parents.

My two are in their teenage years now; one is about to leave FCPS for college.

Both have personally told me of other kids who have overturned desks, thrown chairs across classrooms, stood on top of desks and screamed obscenities at teachers, etc.

FCPS’s school board’s policy is currently: evacuate the classroom of every other child in order to let the chair-thrower to calm down. Obviously all learning stops at that point. And the chair-throwing kid (most often a SPED kid, sorry to say) is back in class the next day, because “the school is concerned about the SPED kid’s possible learning loss.” No, I am not kidding.

Inclusion is what FCPS hides behind to justify their damaging policies. FCPS extreme interpretation of the “I” in DEI is harming every child in Fairfax county.

Of course SPED kids have a right to an education too. But SPED kids do not have a right to disrupt everyone else’s education, nor is there a right to inclusion in normal classes. Bringback specialized schools for the kids who need them. The extreme “inclusion” philosophy needs to end.

Not all children requiring special education are behavior problems. Stop lumping them together. And stop saying SPED kids. It is rude. This is a child with that learns different. And part of the reason they need to learned differently is because of system is made for kids who sit quietly and listen. There is such little hands on and outdoor time kids are going crazy. It is not all the kids or parents fault.

You don’t even hear what you're saying. What you say is exactly that gen ed classrooms are not amenable to sped kids. Ergo, separate spaces for different learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Randomly ran across this YT suggested video. I'm a parent and not a teacher. Need to get the crazy kids and the sped kids out of gen ed. Stop defending these kids and terrible parents.

My two are in their teenage years now; one is about to leave FCPS for college.

Both have personally told me of other kids who have overturned desks, thrown chairs across classrooms, stood on top of desks and screamed obscenities at teachers, etc.

FCPS’s school board’s policy is currently: evacuate the classroom of every other child in order to let the chair-thrower to calm down. Obviously all learning stops at that point. And the chair-throwing kid (most often a SPED kid, sorry to say) is back in class the next day, because “the school is concerned about the SPED kid’s possible learning loss.” No, I am not kidding.

Inclusion is what FCPS hides behind to justify their damaging policies. FCPS extreme interpretation of the “I” in DEI is harming every child in Fairfax county.

Of course SPED kids have a right to an education too. But SPED kids do not have a right to disrupt everyone else’s education, nor is there a right to inclusion in normal classes. Bringback specialized schools for the kids who need them. The extreme “inclusion” philosophy needs to end.

Not all children requiring special education are behavior problems. Stop lumping them together. And stop saying SPED kids. It is rude. This is a child with that learns different. And part of the reason they need to learned differently is because of system is made for kids who sit quietly and listen. There is such little hands on and outdoor time kids are going crazy. It is not all the kids or parents fault.

You don’t even hear what you're saying. What you say is exactly that gen ed classrooms are not amenable to sped kids. Ergo, separate spaces for different learning.

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