How can we combat deep misogyny?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not a pissing contest. Misogyny put Trump into office twice. Misogyny runs rampant all over the world. We need to fix it. Men and women are better off when we do.

Apparently, it is. Someone made the bold claim that the US is more misogynist than insert list of other countries because list of other countries have elected a high caste woman to the head of parliament.

The US isn't 50/50 in Congress but it's getting better, not worse. The obsession with a single position in government is not a meaningful metric. Four of the nine SCOTUS positions are women, about 44%.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Personally I’m starting with my daughters and the issues they face at school.

As an example, DD was talking with a friend and school and a boy came over and immediately hijacked the conversation, kept telling DD she’s wrong, being overall obnoxious. DD asked him to leave them alone and he refused.

The school teaches the kids to just walk away in that situation. DD instead told the guy to move on or she’d kick his ass.

DD got in trouble and I stood up for her. I explained that the boys need to learn no means no. They aren’t entitled to a conversation with my daughter, they aren’t entitled to make her leave an area she wants to be in.

I’m just so tired of the “boys will be boys” mentality when they’re young. It leads to them growing up to be entitled men.

So DD knows if a boy is giving her problems, we fully support her doing whatever she needs to do to get him to go away.

Nothing in your story indicated a “boys will be boys” mentality.

And your daughter’s reaction was inappropriate. Imagine if a boy said that to her. It’s not ok for any kid to threaten another with physical violence.

Boys will be boys...

https://studyfinds.org/class-clown-bias-teachers-discourage-playfulness-boys-girls/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's apparent that it runs incredibly deep in this country, where a woman's professional status is put under a significantly higher scrutiny than a man's, or the standards for which she could be put in the same professional level with a man (or higher) are impossibly unrealistic. She will never be "enough" even compared to males with mediocrity.

If we can somehow avoid talking about politics, can we please have a serious discussion about how deep misogyny runs in America (and yes, much more than many other places--or at least in different ways) and how we can successfully combat it? Is it possible? What do you think works well in other countries? What can we do here?

deep misogyny = Iran 2024, USA 1800

plenty of opportunities for women = USA 2024

How can we combat deep ignorance?

India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Liberia, Mexico all had female leaders. All definitely less misogynistic than the good ol USA where it runs deeeeeeep.

It's rather strange to form a metric around a single position. I think India's parliament is around 13-14%. For comparison:

Don’t they also still stone women in India?

But they stone men too so it's perfectly balanced, nothing like the deep misogyny we experience here.

This was your experience as a woman when you were in India?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Personally I’m starting with my daughters and the issues they face at school.

As an example, DD was talking with a friend and school and a boy came over and immediately hijacked the conversation, kept telling DD she’s wrong, being overall obnoxious. DD asked him to leave them alone and he refused.

The school teaches the kids to just walk away in that situation. DD instead told the guy to move on or she’d kick his ass.

DD got in trouble and I stood up for her. I explained that the boys need to learn no means no. They aren’t entitled to a conversation with my daughter, they aren’t entitled to make her leave an area she wants to be in.

I’m just so tired of the “boys will be boys” mentality when they’re young. It leads to them growing up to be entitled men.

So DD knows if a boy is giving her problems, we fully support her doing whatever she needs to do to get him to go away.

Nothing in your story indicated a “boys will be boys” mentality.

And your daughter’s reaction was inappropriate. Imagine if a boy said that to her. It’s not ok for any kid to threaten another with physical violence.

Boys will be boys...

https://studyfinds.org/class-clown-bias-teachers-discourage-playfulness-boys-girls/

Yup. If anything there is a lot of bias against boys in school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think women are just as misogynistic towards other women. Women are harder on women and more critical and ready to tear other women down.

I’m a woman and while I agree, I think my husband is just as critical of men as I am of women, and vice versa. We just want competent people leading the way. In the case of this election, both are idiots, but we were better off four years ago with him than we are right now under her.

When you say "we," you mean you, right? Do you really think Americans as a whole are better off? My 13 year old can name 6 other 13 year olds in her circle who don't feel safe now that Trump has been re-elected. THIRTEEN YEAR OLDS! That doesn't bother you at all?!

Feeling is not reality.

Plus blame the parents. It’s like the kids super paranoid about Covid. Bad parents filling their heads with nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The majority of voters are women.

The majority of students in higher education are women.

The majority of new lawyers are women.

The majority of new doctors are women.

The majority of people in professional jobs are women.

Women have a higher life expectancy than men.

With such achivements, surely they can achieve any goals.

Except all of those achievements actually work against us as men use them to feel more insecure and threatened.

Op, I don’t think it’s possible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of voters are women.

The majority of students in higher education are women.

The majority of new lawyers are women.

The majority of new doctors are women.

The majority of people in professional jobs are women.

Women have a higher life expectancy than men.

With such achivements, surely they can achieve any goals.

Except all of those achievements actually work against us as men use them to feel more insecure and threatened.

Op, I don’t think it’s possible.

Dear God, even when you're on top you're somehow always the victim!

[Anonymous]

There’s a pretty eye-opening thread on the front page of Reddit titled “Why so many men feel abandoned by the Republican party”. Lots of insightful commentary from all kinds of people.

As a white, male, never-Trumper I’ve been trying to get my head around how so many people could even consider voting for him. My son’s friends all voted Trump which is confusing because their values all align very closely with Democrats: equality, environmental sustainability, affordable housing, etc.

This Reddit thread helps me understand how this loss happens. Men feel they don’t have a voice in the democratic party. They have to apologize for their privilege before they can even speak - and even then, they’re likey to be labeled an “ist” and told to go work on themselves.

When you alienate such a large voting block it impacts election results.

The democratic party needs to refocus on its ideals (which are sound) rather than demographics and be truly inclusive.

[Anonymous]

Stop blaming misogyny for simply being a sh!tty candidate or bad at you job.

Put your nose to the grind and earn your stripes up. Life isn't fair, and it is a dog eat dog world. No one owes you anything. You are not entitled to anything because you have a vagina despite what your permanent victimhood.classes taught you while you were in college going $180k in debt for a worthless degree.

This might shock you, but there are women who are good at their jobs and who are terrible at their jobs. Just like men. There are far more people who are mediocre to bad than good, which means most women, just like men, are mediocre to bad. Next time, pick good female candidates of you want to win elections, not thoroughly mid to bad selections like Hillary and Harris.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s a pretty eye-opening thread on the front page of Reddit titled “Why so many men feel abandoned by the Republican party”. Lots of insightful commentary from all kinds of people.

As a white, male, never-Trumper I’ve been trying to get my head around how so many people could even consider voting for him. My son’s friends all voted Trump which is confusing because their values all align very closely with Democrats: equality, environmental sustainability, affordable housing, etc.

This Reddit thread helps me understand how this loss happens. Men feel they don’t have a voice in the democratic party. They have to apologize for their privilege before they can even speak - and even then, they’re likey to be labeled an “ist” and told to go work on themselves.

When you alienate such a large voting block it impacts election results.

The democratic party needs to refocus on its ideals (which are sound) rather than demographics and be truly inclusive.

Reddit title makes no sense. Reddit makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop blaming misogyny for simply being a sh!tty candidate or bad at you job.

Put your nose to the grind and earn your stripes up. Life isn't fair, and it is a dog eat dog world. No one owes you anything. You are not entitled to anything because you have a vagina despite what your permanent victimhood.classes taught you while you were in college going $180k in debt for a worthless degree.

This might shock you, but there are women who are good at their jobs and who are terrible at their jobs. Just like men. There are far more people who are mediocre to bad than good, which means most women, just like men, are mediocre to bad. Next time, pick good female candidates of you want to win elections, not thoroughly mid to bad selections like Hillary and Harris.

I don’t like Trump and didn’t vote for him but we need someone in office who’s going to make some hard and unpopular decisions.

For instance, immigration. No other country has 11.5M illegal immigrants in their country. Having pourous border is dangerous - a foreign power or terrorist group could easily smuggle a nuclear device across our border.

Also, its a big part of the housing affordability problem. Lets say those 11.5M illegal immigrants live 4 to a house - thats demand for almost 3M houses (either leased or purchased) at the affordable end of the pricing spectrum. All of the corporate and fund owned houses only combine a total of 300-800k (depending on who’s numbers you believe).

There’s also impacts on education and healthcare costs.

We’re going trillions in debt being the world’s wallet. The US will eventually collapse the way the USSR did if we don’t take measures to cut spending.

Also, the US can’t be the West’s military. We need NATO but we need the other members to even out their contributions.

There are lots of hard and unpopular decisions to be made

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a pretty eye-opening thread on the front page of Reddit titled “Why so many men feel abandoned by the Republican party”. Lots of insightful commentary from all kinds of people.

As a white, male, never-Trumper I’ve been trying to get my head around how so many people could even consider voting for him. My son’s friends all voted Trump which is confusing because their values all align very closely with Democrats: equality, environmental sustainability, affordable housing, etc.

This Reddit thread helps me understand how this loss happens. Men feel they don’t have a voice in the democratic party. They have to apologize for their privilege before they can even speak - and even then, they’re likey to be labeled an “ist” and told to go work on themselves.

When you alienate such a large voting block it impacts election results.

The democratic party needs to refocus on its ideals (which are sound) rather than demographics and be truly inclusive.

Reddit title makes no sense. Reddit makes no sense.

What doesn’t make sense about the title?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a pretty eye-opening thread on the front page of Reddit titled “Why so many men feel abandoned by the Republican party”. Lots of insightful commentary from all kinds of people.

As a white, male, never-Trumper I’ve been trying to get my head around how so many people could even consider voting for him. My son’s friends all voted Trump which is confusing because their values all align very closely with Democrats: equality, environmental sustainability, affordable housing, etc.

This Reddit thread helps me understand how this loss happens. Men feel they don’t have a voice in the democratic party. They have to apologize for their privilege before they can even speak - and even then, they’re likey to be labeled an “ist” and told to go work on themselves.

When you alienate such a large voting block it impacts election results.

The democratic party needs to refocus on its ideals (which are sound) rather than demographics and be truly inclusive.

Reddit title makes no sense. Reddit makes no sense.

What doesn’t make sense about the title?

It should be Democrats in the thread title, not Republicans. Men feel abandoned by the Democratic Party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop blaming misogyny for simply being a sh!tty candidate or bad at you job.

Put your nose to the grind and earn your stripes up. Life isn't fair, and it is a dog eat dog world. No one owes you anything. You are not entitled to anything because you have a vagina despite what your permanent victimhood.classes taught you while you were in college going $180k in debt for a worthless degree.

This might shock you, but there are women who are good at their jobs and who are terrible at their jobs. Just like men. There are far more people who are mediocre to bad than good, which means most women, just like men, are mediocre to bad. Next time, pick good female candidates of you want to win elections, not thoroughly mid to bad selections like Hillary and Harris.

I don’t like Trump and didn’t vote for him but we need someone in office who’s going to make some hard and unpopular decisions.

For instance, immigration. No other country has 11.5M illegal immigrants in their country. Having pourous border is dangerous - a foreign power or terrorist group could easily smuggle a nuclear device across our border.

Also, its a big part of the housing affordability problem. Lets say those 11.5M illegal immigrants live 4 to a house - thats demand for almost 3M houses (either leased or purchased) at the affordable end of the pricing spectrum. All of the corporate and fund owned houses only combine a total of 300-800k (depending on who’s numbers you believe).

There’s also impacts on education and healthcare costs.

We’re going trillions in debt being the world’s wallet. The US will eventually collapse the way the USSR did if we don’t take measures to cut spending.

Also, the US can’t be the West’s military. We need NATO but we need the other members to even out their contributions.

There are lots of hard and unpopular decisions to be made

This is why Trump won. If you mention it to Ds they typically ignore the problem or gaslight you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s a pretty eye-opening thread on the front page of Reddit titled “Why so many men feel abandoned by the Republican party”. Lots of insightful commentary from all kinds of people.

As a white, male, never-Trumper I’ve been trying to get my head around how so many people could even consider voting for him. My son’s friends all voted Trump which is confusing because their values all align very closely with Democrats: equality, environmental sustainability, affordable housing, etc.

This Reddit thread helps me understand how this loss happens. Men feel they don’t have a voice in the democratic party. They have to apologize for their privilege before they can even speak - and even then, they’re likey to be labeled an “ist” and told to go work on themselves.

When you alienate such a large voting block it impacts election results.

The democratic party needs to refocus on its ideals (which are sound) rather than demographics and be truly inclusive.

My sons and their friends are the same way, PP. But what I've realized is this: all of these things that you list as their so-called values aligning with Democrats - equality, environmental sustainability, affordable housing - are nebulous concepts that don't affect any of them, really, on a day to day basis. So it's easy to say, sure, I support equality and environmental sustainability, blah blah blah. Who doesn't?

You have to remember: these are the kids who have had trans nonsense, white males are responsible for the world's problems, etc, shoved down their throats since they were in kindergarten. They see those real effects in their daily lives, if nothing else through all the anger that seems to surround their very existence. They are done with it, and so am I. As their mother, I too, voted for Trump.