NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech

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Our society doesn’t need more mothers. It needs more workers.

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Something tells me they didn’t have a lot of women’s jerseys for the kicker in stock too sell.

And to add to that, the GOP has a history of buying up books to create the impression of “bestsellers.” I wouldn’t be surprised if that had happened here.

Meanwhile, a quote that is relevant, originally by @ulxma on twitter in 2020:

“If submission were natural to women, there wouldn't be thousands of sermons everyday reminding women to submit, because nature doesn't need reminders to run its course.

These reminders exist because indoctrination depends on constant reinforcement to keep harmful ideologies alive.”

Women don’t want to be submissive like this closeted and angry little man wants us to be.

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Fair point

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So 61% of married mothers are completely dissatisfied?

Not sure you know how to read, let alone read a graph.

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Anonymous wrote:It blows my mind that he doesn't realize how many of the fans in the stands are there because of working women. There are working women payimg for their own tickets. Many, probably the majority of the families who pay for NFL tickets would not be able to afford them without the help of a working woman. Working women are paying for NFL apparel and taking their kids to NFL promoted activities and signings and parades.

The NFL could not operate as successfully as it does if the majority of female Catholic school graduates stayed home without contributing to NFL sales.

I feel like people are reading into the speech. His mom is a doctor! He knows many women obviously work...

yes, and he's telling the women that their "vocation" really starts when they become a wife and mother. So, you're a doctor or a supreme court judge or a CEO at a F500... bfd. Your vocation really starts when you get married and have kids.

Why are we supposed to care what some random football player thinks of our career choices? In the age of social media the wrong things go viral. It's so much performative outrage. His opinion does not matter in any way as the man is not a politician and doesn't own a business. It only affects his own family. We should care about men in Congress holding these views, and the real hurdles women still face in the workplace.

I don’t care what he thinks per se. Unfortunately he’s articulating an opinion that a disturbing number of voters want to impose on the rest of us.

You need to expand on this statement.

How is anything he said being "imposed" on you?

Project 25. MAGA wants to impose kuchen, kirche, kinder on every woman in the United States.

We'll need a citation for your claim. Something tells me you are FOS.

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Anonymous wrote:The guy is a misogynistic "traditionalist". Most of the Christian moms I know worked. Some out of necessity, and some because they wanted to do something other than just be a mom (like me). I enjoyed using my brain at work. I feel I got dumber when I was as a sahm for 2 years. It's supposedly a sin to not use the gifts God has given you, and if God made me good at what I do, then I'd be sinning by not using my gifts (according to traditionalists).

And the whole thing about dads being present.. that's not a new thing. Anyone remember the Million Man March? Only men need a march or a football player to remind them to parent their kids.

I too was trying to puzzle this out. I am trying to reconcile growing up in the church and hearing God has a plan for our lives - and that it can be who you are supposed to be with, or not, having kids or not, what is the career or job you take or not - basically where you are supposed to be and it’s prayer and faith that helps guide your journey ..with what he said in his speech. I don’t understand how I can tell someone else what God’s plan is for them when I am not God and I am not the person involved.

With dads being present, I was just thinking about this today We have history of humans being horrible to other humans even when the people doing so were raised in a home where the dad was present. For so much of history there were certain norms around 2 parents, with mother staying at home but that didn’t mean we didn’t have violence and evil. So in my mind it’s more about being a good and present parent to your children no matter your gender or marital status and handling whatever personally you may have going on that would get in the way of that. That still doesn’t mean you know how your child will turn out - there is always both God’s plan and free will - at least how I was taught religion.

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Anonymous wrote:The guy is a misogynistic "traditionalist". Most of the Christian moms I know worked. Some out of necessity, and some because they wanted to do something other than just be a mom (like me). I enjoyed using my brain at work. I feel I got dumber when I was as a sahm for 2 years. It's supposedly a sin to not use the gifts God has given you, and if God made me good at what I do, then I'd be sinning by not using my gifts (according to traditionalists).

And the whole thing about dads being present.. that's not a new thing. Anyone remember the Million Man March? Only men need a march or a football player to remind them to parent their kids.

I too was trying to puzzle this out. I am trying to reconcile growing up in the church and hearing God has a plan for our lives - and that it can be who you are supposed to be with, or not, having kids or not, what is the career or job you take or not - basically where you are supposed to be and it’s prayer and faith that helps guide your journey ..with what he said in his speech. I don’t understand how I can tell someone else what God’s plan is for them when I am not God and I am not the person involved.

With dads being present, I was just thinking about this today We have history of humans being horrible to other humans even when the people doing so were raised in a home where the dad was present. For so much of history there were certain norms around 2 parents, with mother staying at home but that didn’t mean we didn’t have violence and evil. So in my mind it’s more about being a good and present parent to your children no matter your gender or marital status and handling whatever personally you may have going on that would get in the way of that. That still doesn’t mean you know how your child will turn out - there is always both God’s plan and free will - at least how I was taught religion.

He's not quoting the Bible. He's a traditionalist (ie misogynist). Jesus never talked about gender roles. He actually didn't follow the gender roles of the time. I posted earlier about the story in the Bible where some women were complaining to Jesus about another woman not helping in the kitchen, to which he responded to basically leave her alone, and let her hear His message, which is way more important than her "vocational" role.

I know of women who were called to remain single and become missionaries. Are they not fulfilled?

Traditionalists aren't following Jesus' teachings in this regard; they are following their traditions and cultures which they label as "religion".

I think this is one of the reasons why so many people are turned off by "religion". It's not about Jesus' teachings but about following laws that men created.

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Anonymous wrote:What's wrong is that women are forced to do double duty to support capitalism. They should've choices and support to decide their paths and shouldn't be conned into doing more than men.

I’m confused. We live in a capitalist society. Are you saying we need a different construct like socialism to support having more choices?

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Anonymous wrote:He is a southern stupid at hole with divorced parents and serious mommy issues. He is not even 30 yet. He needs to go hide in his basement.

Who is this guy? I'm Catholic and have never heard of him.

Again he’s only getting attention because he’s a teammate of Travis Kelce and you would even have heard of him if Travis wasn’t dating Taylor. They wouldn’t even have invited him because they wouldn’t have gotten any press.

The school is in the KC area, and every Chiefs fan knows who he is. Benedictine didn't invite him for the press. And the only person who linked him to Travis and Taylor was Butker himself.

What % of women watch KC chiefs? Hint: is very low. Of course he mentioned Taylor he’s an attention whore using religion for his own gain.

Why do you think the percentage of women Chiefs fans low? Where did you hear that? I'm in the KC area and most of the women I know watch the game every Sunday.

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I can’t wait until somebody tackles him next season.

He wants men to be masculine, great kicker boy.., take a tackle.

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Jesus disagrees with the blasphemous heretic … women belong with the men learning not in the kitchen cooking

Luke 10

At the Home of Martha and Mary

38 As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him. 39 She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord’s feet listening to what he said. 40 But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, “Lord, don’t you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!”

41 “Martha, Martha,” the Lord answered, “you are worried and upset about many things, 42 but few things are needed—or indeed only one.[f] Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.”

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Luke 10

At the Home of Martha and Mary

38 As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him. 39 She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord’s feet listening to what he said. 40 But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, “Lord, don’t you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!”

41 “Martha, Martha,” the Lord answered, “you are worried and upset about many things, 42 but few things are needed—or indeed only one.[f] Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.”

Thank you for finding that verse. I referenced this story up thread but couldn't remember who it was (I knew there was a Mary in there somewhere).

This exactly. Once again: Jesus did not care about gender roles.

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Anonymous wrote:Our society doesn’t need more mothers. It needs more workers.

Who carries, births, raises workers?

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"his and his family’s success is a result of his wife’s focus on being a wife and mother, claiming that “her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.”

He can focus on a crazy demanding career because she takes care of home and family so yes, his wife is a partner in his success. Imagine how difficult his life would be managing home, babies and a demanding career involving practice, travel, promotions, interviews etc and trying to set up investments for post NFL life?

Her vocation life started means before that she was a young student and then took over responsibility to build and manage a household and raise kids with her husband.

So, basically, he's saying

To men: make sure your wife is a sahm so you can focus on your career and be a real man
To women: make sure you take care of the kids and house so your husband can focus on his career.

If both the man and woman want that kind of marriage, then who are we to say otherwise. But, it does seem a bit tone deaf to be saying that at a graduation of college students, many of whom are women, including the professors and admins who are sitting on the stage.

That’s is literally the exact opposite of what he said to the men and you’d know that if you read/listened to the whole speech. His message to men was that their focus must be on their vocation as a husband/father. He basically says everything else is secondary to that.

Look, if the patriarchy was so great for women we wouldn't have fought so hard against it. So spare me the talk about men and their vocations as husbands and fathers. It's just an excuse to subjugate women in the vast majority of cases.

DP. Sure, let's just continue idolizing men who abandon their families and father child after child with different women (or women who do the same). Such great role models. You do you, but I absolutely agree with Butker's assertion that the highest vocation for both men AND women is marriage and parenthood (for those who want a family). That doesn't mean there aren't other vocations, such as careers obviously - just that the *highest* and most crucial to a thriving civilization is raising children within a family structure. Not sure how you can argue with that, but I'm sure you will.

Nice strawman.

Ah, I see you can't make a serious rebuttal, so you resort to deflection. There is no strawman. You disagree with him and you can't stand it that others do not. *shrug*

*sigh* - the strawman is the premise that the only choices for men are to be philandering scumbags like our former President, idolized by the GOP, and conservative Christian men who idolize a wife who forgoes all professional ambition to serve their husbands and families, also, coincidentally, idolized by the GOP. The reality, as we all know, is that there is a broad spectrum of male behavior and there are many ways to be a good husband that don't involve buying into patriarchy and misogyny.

I think we've found the strawman... "the GOP" doesn't idolize TFG. A small minority of far-right Trump supporters do. The rest of the GOP would dearly love to have a different candidate.

Well why didn’t you come out in force to elect a different candidate then? Trump has received the majority of votes in the GOP primaries. Contradicts what you assert.

True - but funny how you ignore that the vast majority of Democrats don't want Biden to run again either. Yet, he is running again.

https://apnews.com/article/ap-norc-poll-biden-2024-presidential-prospects-c843c5af6775b4c8a0cff8e2b1db03f6

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You aren't serving good by doing botox or running a casino, no matter how professional you feel.