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Anonymous wrote:Good luck to any of you who have girls going into pref today. I know it's probably been a stressful week for the girls and there are probably tears this morning. The Friday cuts are the worst at the higher ranked sororities especially because girls felt that they had a shot still if they were there for house tours. My dd had her painful cuts earlier in the week but had many friends who were devastated on pref day. It all worked out though, even if they didn't get their top choices from earlier in the week, they all seem happy where they ended up.

“Devastated” on pref day?

Dear lord. Reality check please.

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So much manufactured drama. Ugh.

My dd got cut this weekend from the sororities she was interested in on pref day, she is indeed super bummed. Not at UVA.

+2 My DD was also cut from the top sororities on pref day. I would actually say devastated is the right adjective. It is so hard when you are voted out by girls your age. All her friends got bids from the top houses. Just really hard on your self esteem.

DP. I guess that's the point. Why would *anybody* put themselves in a position where they are being "voted out" by anyone? Why would you allow anyone to damage your self-esteem like that? It's just all so bizarre.

You really think it’s bizarre? Or have you forgotten what it’s like to be 18 and want acceptance by your peers?

No, I remember very clearly being 18 and completely turned off by the whole idea of rush, etc. I had plenty of acceptance by my peers in all my other activities - without having to put on a dog and pony show for them.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread had me go down the rabbit hole of uva sorority IG pages. I went there in the late 90s. The pics make it look like it was exactly the same as it was then. Wasn’t my thing then and it really makes me wonder if it’s the place for DD.

Well, perhaps you can be a good parent, and tell your UVA student (like I did) about your concerns. I was President of my sorority back in the day. Huge. huge mistake. Both my kids know that. My UVA kid never pledged and never, ever went into one of the houses, which is easy because they are not on campus and only 30% participate.

Perhaps talk to your children and share your concerns instead of judging here. Lots of great students go to UVA and never participate - it's not like the big Greek houses in the south.

Meanwhile, my kid graduated UVA with highest honors and is overseas getting a doctorate. It can happen. Then law school. Imagine that.

There’s that adjective “only” again. 30% is a huge proportion. Your effort to be dismissive of its presence and influence is unconvincing… no, it’s not for everyone but the Greek system is omnipresent, influential, and mainstream. It’s probably the most popular activity on grounds — can you think of another activity that attracts 30% of the student population?

The activity of avoiding frats attracts 74 percent of the student population. So there’s your answer.

No, that’s it an answer. It sounds like some desperate attempt by you to downplay the significance of the Greek presence on grounds. So you obviously care a whole lot about the Greek system — you have this fantasy that it’s insignificant when the opposite is demonstrably true.

No one is downplaying anything. You aren't aware there are schools like Wash & Lee which is 86 percent greek. 30 percent is small. I don't even remember what my SLACs was but it was not a big deal on campus

DP. 30 percent can feel pretty huge when you’re a first year trying to find where you fit in, and 6 out of 18 girls on your hall suddenly have brand new groups of friends and tons of social opportunities. It really can feel pretty devastating for some, not necessarily because they desperately want to be in a particular sorority, but because they want to find a crowd, or because it disrupts relationships they’ve already formed. I really feel for these kids having to go through this with social media now, too.

Well they could’ve rushed and be at bid day today if they didn’t have some particular pre conceived notion of where they belonged.

Maybe they were not familiar with greek life (I wasn't when I was a freshman). I didn't really know what it was. I also didn't think, once i found out, I could afford it. There are lots of reasons people may not have rushed beyond the "preconceived notion" of the poor, oppressed sororities.

There was some very pointed bad mouthing of one sorority all week on social media. This is a healthy sorority that normally does fine, though they are “low tier”, they got three girls. They normally get a normal sized pledge class. So no I think it’s not innocent reasons, it’s badmouthing on social media which led to girls dropping rather than go to this house. Really awful, why anyone feels the need to put others down, especially those who are no threat to anyone, I have no idea.

Where are kids bad mouthing the houses? My ask is not to read behind but curious were people posting and reading it if it really influenced girls. I would not think people would want to put their name to speaking poorly of other houses?

Yik Yak

That is so mean. I don’t even know what yik yak is? So mean and sad they didn’t get more than 3 girls. Makes me sad.

I thought Yik Yak died more than 5 years ago b/c no one used? Guess not.

It did shut down b/c of “rampant bullying” in 2017. But it’s back.

Article from when relaunched in 2022:

“The Return of Yik Yak. The social media app that shut down in 2017 amid rampant bullying is back on campus with new “community guardrails” in place to prevent harassment. But some students say that’s not enough…. Now a whole new generation of college students is discovering the app. Some have no idea of its past history of cyberbullying and threats….”

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2022/03/07/yik-yak-re-emerges-after-shutdown

From before shut down, Wash Post describes it as “cauldron of hate speech”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/05/07/some-virginia-students-school-officials-struggle-with-anonymous-bullying-and-hate-speech-on-yik-yak-app/

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Anonymous wrote:This thread had me go down the rabbit hole of uva sorority IG pages. I went there in the late 90s. The pics make it look like it was exactly the same as it was then. Wasn’t my thing then and it really makes me wonder if it’s the place for DD.

Well, perhaps you can be a good parent, and tell your UVA student (like I did) about your concerns. I was President of my sorority back in the day. Huge. huge mistake. Both my kids know that. My UVA kid never pledged and never, ever went into one of the houses, which is easy because they are not on campus and only 30% participate.

Perhaps talk to your children and share your concerns instead of judging here. Lots of great students go to UVA and never participate - it's not like the big Greek houses in the south.

Meanwhile, my kid graduated UVA with highest honors and is overseas getting a doctorate. It can happen. Then law school. Imagine that.

There’s that adjective “only” again. 30% is a huge proportion. Your effort to be dismissive of its presence and influence is unconvincing… no, it’s not for everyone but the Greek system is omnipresent, influential, and mainstream. It’s probably the most popular activity on grounds — can you think of another activity that attracts 30% of the student population?

The activity of avoiding frats attracts 74 percent of the student population. So there’s your answer.

No, that’s it an answer. It sounds like some desperate attempt by you to downplay the significance of the Greek presence on grounds. So you obviously care a whole lot about the Greek system — you have this fantasy that it’s insignificant when the opposite is demonstrably true.

No one is downplaying anything. You aren't aware there are schools like Wash & Lee which is 86 percent greek. 30 percent is small. I don't even remember what my SLACs was but it was not a big deal on campus

DP. 30 percent can feel pretty huge when you’re a first year trying to find where you fit in, and 6 out of 18 girls on your hall suddenly have brand new groups of friends and tons of social opportunities. It really can feel pretty devastating for some, not necessarily because they desperately want to be in a particular sorority, but because they want to find a crowd, or because it disrupts relationships they’ve already formed. I really feel for these kids having to go through this with social media now, too.

Well they could’ve rushed and be at bid day today if they didn’t have some particular pre conceived notion of where they belonged.

Maybe they were not familiar with greek life (I wasn't when I was a freshman). I didn't really know what it was. I also didn't think, once i found out, I could afford it. There are lots of reasons people may not have rushed beyond the "preconceived notion" of the poor, oppressed sororities.

There was some very pointed bad mouthing of one sorority all week on social media. This is a healthy sorority that normally does fine, though they are “low tier”, they got three girls. They normally get a normal sized pledge class. So no I think it’s not innocent reasons, it’s badmouthing on social media which led to girls dropping rather than go to this house. Really awful, why anyone feels the need to put others down, especially those who are no threat to anyone, I have no idea.

Where are kids bad mouthing the houses? My ask is not to read behind but curious were people posting and reading it if it really influenced girls. I would not think people would want to put their name to speaking poorly of other houses?

Yik Yak

That is so mean. I don’t even know what yik yak is? So mean and sad they didn’t get more than 3 girls. Makes me sad.

I thought Yik Yak died more than 5 years ago b/c no one used? Guess not.

It did shut down b/c of “rampant bullying” in 2017. But it’s back.

Article from when relaunched in 2022:

“The Return of Yik Yak. The social media app that shut down in 2017 amid rampant bullying is back on campus with new “community guardrails” in place to prevent harassment. But some students say that’s not enough…. Now a whole new generation of college students is discovering the app. Some have no idea of its past history of cyberbullying and threats….”

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2022/03/07/yik-yak-re-emerges-after-shutdown

From before shut down, Wash Post describes it as “cauldron of hate speech”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/05/07/some-virginia-students-school-officials-struggle-with-anonymous-bullying-and-hate-speech-on-yik-yak-app/

Wow I had no idea, thanks for sharing. my DD told me this week, if YikYak had been a thing when she rushed in Jan 2022, she would’ve dropped from rush. Hateful hateful stuff being shared.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread had me go down the rabbit hole of uva sorority IG pages. I went there in the late 90s. The pics make it look like it was exactly the same as it was then. Wasn’t my thing then and it really makes me wonder if it’s the place for DD.

Well, perhaps you can be a good parent, and tell your UVA student (like I did) about your concerns. I was President of my sorority back in the day. Huge. huge mistake. Both my kids know that. My UVA kid never pledged and never, ever went into one of the houses, which is easy because they are not on campus and only 30% participate.

Perhaps talk to your children and share your concerns instead of judging here. Lots of great students go to UVA and never participate - it's not like the big Greek houses in the south.

Meanwhile, my kid graduated UVA with highest honors and is overseas getting a doctorate. It can happen. Then law school. Imagine that.

There’s that adjective “only” again. 30% is a huge proportion. Your effort to be dismissive of its presence and influence is unconvincing… no, it’s not for everyone but the Greek system is omnipresent, influential, and mainstream. It’s probably the most popular activity on grounds — can you think of another activity that attracts 30% of the student population?

The activity of avoiding frats attracts 74 percent of the student population. So there’s your answer.

No, that’s it an answer. It sounds like some desperate attempt by you to downplay the significance of the Greek presence on grounds. So you obviously care a whole lot about the Greek system — you have this fantasy that it’s insignificant when the opposite is demonstrably true.

No one is downplaying anything. You aren't aware there are schools like Wash & Lee which is 86 percent greek. 30 percent is small. I don't even remember what my SLACs was but it was not a big deal on campus

DP. 30 percent can feel pretty huge when you’re a first year trying to find where you fit in, and 6 out of 18 girls on your hall suddenly have brand new groups of friends and tons of social opportunities. It really can feel pretty devastating for some, not necessarily because they desperately want to be in a particular sorority, but because they want to find a crowd, or because it disrupts relationships they’ve already formed. I really feel for these kids having to go through this with social media now, too.

Well they could’ve rushed and be at bid day today if they didn’t have some particular pre conceived notion of where they belonged.

Maybe they were not familiar with greek life (I wasn't when I was a freshman). I didn't really know what it was. I also didn't think, once i found out, I could afford it. There are lots of reasons people may not have rushed beyond the "preconceived notion" of the poor, oppressed sororities.

There was some very pointed bad mouthing of one sorority all week on social media. This is a healthy sorority that normally does fine, though they are “low tier”, they got three girls. They normally get a normal sized pledge class. So no I think it’s not innocent reasons, it’s badmouthing on social media which led to girls dropping rather than go to this house. Really awful, why anyone feels the need to put others down, especially those who are no threat to anyone, I have no idea.

Where are kids bad mouthing the houses? My ask is not to read behind but curious were people posting and reading it if it really influenced girls. I would not think people would want to put their name to speaking poorly of other houses?

Yik Yak

That is so mean. I don’t even know what yik yak is? So mean and sad they didn’t get more than 3 girls. Makes me sad.

I thought Yik Yak died more than 5 years ago b/c no one used? Guess not.

It did shut down b/c of “rampant bullying” in 2017. But it’s back.

Article from when relaunched in 2022:

“The Return of Yik Yak. The social media app that shut down in 2017 amid rampant bullying is back on campus with new “community guardrails” in place to prevent harassment. But some students say that’s not enough…. Now a whole new generation of college students is discovering the app. Some have no idea of its past history of cyberbullying and threats….”

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2022/03/07/yik-yak-re-emerges-after-shutdown

From before shut down, Wash Post describes it as “cauldron of hate speech”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/05/07/some-virginia-students-school-officials-struggle-with-anonymous-bullying-and-hate-speech-on-yik-yak-app/

Wow I had no idea, thanks for sharing. my DD told me this week, if YikYak had been a thing when she rushed in Jan 2022, she would’ve dropped from rush. Hateful hateful stuff being shared.

Sounds an awful app from everything hearing/reading.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread had me go down the rabbit hole of uva sorority IG pages. I went there in the late 90s. The pics make it look like it was exactly the same as it was then. Wasn’t my thing then and it really makes me wonder if it’s the place for DD.

Well, perhaps you can be a good parent, and tell your UVA student (like I did) about your concerns. I was President of my sorority back in the day. Huge. huge mistake. Both my kids know that. My UVA kid never pledged and never, ever went into one of the houses, which is easy because they are not on campus and only 30% participate.

Perhaps talk to your children and share your concerns instead of judging here. Lots of great students go to UVA and never participate - it's not like the big Greek houses in the south.

Meanwhile, my kid graduated UVA with highest honors and is overseas getting a doctorate. It can happen. Then law school. Imagine that.

There’s that adjective “only” again. 30% is a huge proportion. Your effort to be dismissive of its presence and influence is unconvincing… no, it’s not for everyone but the Greek system is omnipresent, influential, and mainstream. It’s probably the most popular activity on grounds — can you think of another activity that attracts 30% of the student population?

The activity of avoiding frats attracts 74 percent of the student population. So there’s your answer.

No, that’s it an answer. It sounds like some desperate attempt by you to downplay the significance of the Greek presence on grounds. So you obviously care a whole lot about the Greek system — you have this fantasy that it’s insignificant when the opposite is demonstrably true.

No one is downplaying anything. You aren't aware there are schools like Wash & Lee which is 86 percent greek. 30 percent is small. I don't even remember what my SLACs was but it was not a big deal on campus

DP. 30 percent can feel pretty huge when you’re a first year trying to find where you fit in, and 6 out of 18 girls on your hall suddenly have brand new groups of friends and tons of social opportunities. It really can feel pretty devastating for some, not necessarily because they desperately want to be in a particular sorority, but because they want to find a crowd, or because it disrupts relationships they’ve already formed. I really feel for these kids having to go through this with social media now, too.

Well they could’ve rushed and be at bid day today if they didn’t have some particular pre conceived notion of where they belonged.

Maybe they were not familiar with greek life (I wasn't when I was a freshman). I didn't really know what it was. I also didn't think, once i found out, I could afford it. There are lots of reasons people may not have rushed beyond the "preconceived notion" of the poor, oppressed sororities.

There was some very pointed bad mouthing of one sorority all week on social media. This is a healthy sorority that normally does fine, though they are “low tier”, they got three girls. They normally get a normal sized pledge class. So no I think it’s not innocent reasons, it’s badmouthing on social media which led to girls dropping rather than go to this house. Really awful, why anyone feels the need to put others down, especially those who are no threat to anyone, I have no idea.

Where are kids bad mouthing the houses? My ask is not to read behind but curious were people posting and reading it if it really influenced girls. I would not think people would want to put their name to speaking poorly of other houses?

Yik Yak

That is so mean. I don’t even know what yik yak is? So mean and sad they didn’t get more than 3 girls. Makes me sad.

I thought Yik Yak died more than 5 years ago b/c no one used? Guess not.

It did shut down b/c of “rampant bullying” in 2017. But it’s back.

Article from when relaunched in 2022:

“The Return of Yik Yak. The social media app that shut down in 2017 amid rampant bullying is back on campus with new “community guardrails” in place to prevent harassment. But some students say that’s not enough…. Now a whole new generation of college students is discovering the app. Some have no idea of its past history of cyberbullying and threats….”

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2022/03/07/yik-yak-re-emerges-after-shutdown

From before shut down, Wash Post describes it as “cauldron of hate speech”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/05/07/some-virginia-students-school-officials-struggle-with-anonymous-bullying-and-hate-speech-on-yik-yak-app/

Wow I had no idea, thanks for sharing. my DD told me this week, if YikYak had been a thing when she rushed in Jan 2022, she would’ve dropped from rush. Hateful hateful stuff being shared.

Sounds an awful app from everything hearing/reading.

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Which reinforces that the type of people sharing that information and making the hateful comments are the same people in Greek life. No thanks.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:This thread had me go down the rabbit hole of uva sorority IG pages. I went there in the late 90s. The pics make it look like it was exactly the same as it was then. Wasn’t my thing then and it really makes me wonder if it’s the place for DD.

Well, perhaps you can be a good parent, and tell your UVA student (like I did) about your concerns. I was President of my sorority back in the day. Huge. huge mistake. Both my kids know that. My UVA kid never pledged and never, ever went into one of the houses, which is easy because they are not on campus and only 30% participate.

Perhaps talk to your children and share your concerns instead of judging here. Lots of great students go to UVA and never participate - it's not like the big Greek houses in the south.

Meanwhile, my kid graduated UVA with highest honors and is overseas getting a doctorate. It can happen. Then law school. Imagine that.

There’s that adjective “only” again. 30% is a huge proportion. Your effort to be dismissive of its presence and influence is unconvincing… no, it’s not for everyone but the Greek system is omnipresent, influential, and mainstream. It’s probably the most popular activity on grounds — can you think of another activity that attracts 30% of the student population?

The activity of avoiding frats attracts 74 percent of the student population. So there’s your answer.

No, that’s it an answer. It sounds like some desperate attempt by you to downplay the significance of the Greek presence on grounds. So you obviously care a whole lot about the Greek system — you have this fantasy that it’s insignificant when the opposite is demonstrably true.

No one is downplaying anything. You aren't aware there are schools like Wash & Lee which is 86 percent greek. 30 percent is small. I don't even remember what my SLACs was but it was not a big deal on campus

DP. 30 percent can feel pretty huge when you’re a first year trying to find where you fit in, and 6 out of 18 girls on your hall suddenly have brand new groups of friends and tons of social opportunities. It really can feel pretty devastating for some, not necessarily because they desperately want to be in a particular sorority, but because they want to find a crowd, or because it disrupts relationships they’ve already formed. I really feel for these kids having to go through this with social media now, too.

Well they could’ve rushed and be at bid day today if they didn’t have some particular pre conceived notion of where they belonged.

Maybe they were not familiar with greek life (I wasn't when I was a freshman). I didn't really know what it was. I also didn't think, once i found out, I could afford it. There are lots of reasons people may not have rushed beyond the "preconceived notion" of the poor, oppressed sororities.

There was some very pointed bad mouthing of one sorority all week on social media. This is a healthy sorority that normally does fine, though they are “low tier”, they got three girls. They normally get a normal sized pledge class. So no I think it’s not innocent reasons, it’s badmouthing on social media which led to girls dropping rather than go to this house. Really awful, why anyone feels the need to put others down, especially those who are no threat to anyone, I have no idea.

Where are kids bad mouthing the houses? My ask is not to read behind but curious were people posting and reading it if it really influenced girls. I would not think people would want to put their name to speaking poorly of other houses?

Yik Yak

That is so mean. I don’t even know what yik yak is? So mean and sad they didn’t get more than 3 girls. Makes me sad.

I thought Yik Yak died more than 5 years ago b/c no one used? Guess not.

It did shut down b/c of “rampant bullying” in 2017. But it’s back.

Article from when relaunched in 2022:

“The Return of Yik Yak. The social media app that shut down in 2017 amid rampant bullying is back on campus with new “community guardrails” in place to prevent harassment. But some students say that’s not enough…. Now a whole new generation of college students is discovering the app. Some have no idea of its past history of cyberbullying and threats….”

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2022/03/07/yik-yak-re-emerges-after-shutdown

From before shut down, Wash Post describes it as “cauldron of hate speech”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/05/07/some-virginia-students-school-officials-struggle-with-anonymous-bullying-and-hate-speech-on-yik-yak-app/

Wow I had no idea, thanks for sharing. my DD told me this week, if YikYak had been a thing when she rushed in Jan 2022, she would’ve dropped from rush. Hateful hateful stuff being shared.

Sounds an awful app from everything hearing/reading.

+1
Which reinforces that the type of people sharing that information and making the hateful comments are the same people in Greek life. No thanks.
DP

You don’t know that, it’s open to everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread had me go down the rabbit hole of uva sorority IG pages. I went there in the late 90s. The pics make it look like it was exactly the same as it was then. Wasn’t my thing then and it really makes me wonder if it’s the place for DD.

Well, perhaps you can be a good parent, and tell your UVA student (like I did) about your concerns. I was President of my sorority back in the day. Huge. huge mistake. Both my kids know that. My UVA kid never pledged and never, ever went into one of the houses, which is easy because they are not on campus and only 30% participate.

Perhaps talk to your children and share your concerns instead of judging here. Lots of great students go to UVA and never participate - it's not like the big Greek houses in the south.

Meanwhile, my kid graduated UVA with highest honors and is overseas getting a doctorate. It can happen. Then law school. Imagine that.

There’s that adjective “only” again. 30% is a huge proportion. Your effort to be dismissive of its presence and influence is unconvincing… no, it’s not for everyone but the Greek system is omnipresent, influential, and mainstream. It’s probably the most popular activity on grounds — can you think of another activity that attracts 30% of the student population?

The activity of avoiding frats attracts 74 percent of the student population. So there’s your answer.

No, that’s it an answer. It sounds like some desperate attempt by you to downplay the significance of the Greek presence on grounds. So you obviously care a whole lot about the Greek system — you have this fantasy that it’s insignificant when the opposite is demonstrably true.

No one is downplaying anything. You aren't aware there are schools like Wash & Lee which is 86 percent greek. 30 percent is small. I don't even remember what my SLACs was but it was not a big deal on campus

DP. 30 percent can feel pretty huge when you’re a first year trying to find where you fit in, and 6 out of 18 girls on your hall suddenly have brand new groups of friends and tons of social opportunities. It really can feel pretty devastating for some, not necessarily because they desperately want to be in a particular sorority, but because they want to find a crowd, or because it disrupts relationships they’ve already formed. I really feel for these kids having to go through this with social media now, too.

Well they could’ve rushed and be at bid day today if they didn’t have some particular pre conceived notion of where they belonged.

Maybe they were not familiar with greek life (I wasn't when I was a freshman). I didn't really know what it was. I also didn't think, once i found out, I could afford it. There are lots of reasons people may not have rushed beyond the "preconceived notion" of the poor, oppressed sororities.

There was some very pointed bad mouthing of one sorority all week on social media. This is a healthy sorority that normally does fine, though they are “low tier”, they got three girls. They normally get a normal sized pledge class. So no I think it’s not innocent reasons, it’s badmouthing on social media which led to girls dropping rather than go to this house. Really awful, why anyone feels the need to put others down, especially those who are no threat to anyone, I have no idea.

Where are kids bad mouthing the houses? My ask is not to read behind but curious were people posting and reading it if it really influenced girls. I would not think people would want to put their name to speaking poorly of other houses?

Yik Yak

That is so mean. I don’t even know what yik yak is? So mean and sad they didn’t get more than 3 girls. Makes me sad.

I thought Yik Yak died more than 5 years ago b/c no one used? Guess not.

It did shut down b/c of “rampant bullying” in 2017. But it’s back.

Article from when relaunched in 2022:

“The Return of Yik Yak. The social media app that shut down in 2017 amid rampant bullying is back on campus with new “community guardrails” in place to prevent harassment. But some students say that’s not enough…. Now a whole new generation of college students is discovering the app. Some have no idea of its past history of cyberbullying and threats….”

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2022/03/07/yik-yak-re-emerges-after-shutdown

From before shut down, Wash Post describes it as “cauldron of hate speech”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/05/07/some-virginia-students-school-officials-struggle-with-anonymous-bullying-and-hate-speech-on-yik-yak-app/

Wow I had no idea, thanks for sharing. my DD told me this week, if YikYak had been a thing when she rushed in Jan 2022, she would’ve dropped from rush. Hateful hateful stuff being shared.

Sounds an awful app from everything hearing/reading.

+1
Which reinforces that the type of people sharing that information and making the hateful comments are the same people in Greek life. No thanks.
DP

What makes you think that the comments are from people in Greek life?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread had me go down the rabbit hole of uva sorority IG pages. I went there in the late 90s. The pics make it look like it was exactly the same as it was then. Wasn’t my thing then and it really makes me wonder if it’s the place for DD.

Well, perhaps you can be a good parent, and tell your UVA student (like I did) about your concerns. I was President of my sorority back in the day. Huge. huge mistake. Both my kids know that. My UVA kid never pledged and never, ever went into one of the houses, which is easy because they are not on campus and only 30% participate.

Perhaps talk to your children and share your concerns instead of judging here. Lots of great students go to UVA and never participate - it's not like the big Greek houses in the south.

Meanwhile, my kid graduated UVA with highest honors and is overseas getting a doctorate. It can happen. Then law school. Imagine that.

There’s that adjective “only” again. 30% is a huge proportion. Your effort to be dismissive of its presence and influence is unconvincing… no, it’s not for everyone but the Greek system is omnipresent, influential, and mainstream. It’s probably the most popular activity on grounds — can you think of another activity that attracts 30% of the student population?

The activity of avoiding frats attracts 74 percent of the student population. So there’s your answer.

No, that’s it an answer. It sounds like some desperate attempt by you to downplay the significance of the Greek presence on grounds. So you obviously care a whole lot about the Greek system — you have this fantasy that it’s insignificant when the opposite is demonstrably true.

No one is downplaying anything. You aren't aware there are schools like Wash & Lee which is 86 percent greek. 30 percent is small. I don't even remember what my SLACs was but it was not a big deal on campus

DP. 30 percent can feel pretty huge when you’re a first year trying to find where you fit in, and 6 out of 18 girls on your hall suddenly have brand new groups of friends and tons of social opportunities. It really can feel pretty devastating for some, not necessarily because they desperately want to be in a particular sorority, but because they want to find a crowd, or because it disrupts relationships they’ve already formed. I really feel for these kids having to go through this with social media now, too.

Well they could’ve rushed and be at bid day today if they didn’t have some particular pre conceived notion of where they belonged.

Maybe they were not familiar with greek life (I wasn't when I was a freshman). I didn't really know what it was. I also didn't think, once i found out, I could afford it. There are lots of reasons people may not have rushed beyond the "preconceived notion" of the poor, oppressed sororities.

There was some very pointed bad mouthing of one sorority all week on social media. This is a healthy sorority that normally does fine, though they are “low tier”, they got three girls. They normally get a normal sized pledge class. So no I think it’s not innocent reasons, it’s badmouthing on social media which led to girls dropping rather than go to this house. Really awful, why anyone feels the need to put others down, especially those who are no threat to anyone, I have no idea.

Where are kids bad mouthing the houses? My ask is not to read behind but curious were people posting and reading it if it really influenced girls. I would not think people would want to put their name to speaking poorly of other houses?

Yik Yak

They also use Fizz

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Anonymous wrote:I saw on the parent fb page some parents are sending their daughters cookies and / or flowers. Is this a thing?

I assume parents were not present for Bid Day. I know of out of state moms showing up for Bid Day at Southern universities. Seems a bit much, in my view.

Congrats for…having the right coat? Good Lord.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw on the parent fb page some parents are sending their daughters cookies and / or flowers. Is this a thing?

I assume parents were not present for Bid Day. I know of out of state moms showing up for Bid Day at Southern universities. Seems a bit much, in my view.

Kind of like when kids get accepted and there is a pic on insta of a kids bedroom with 100+ balloons, $1K of college merch and snack food that matches the school colors. Last year it seemed each post topped the prior one.

So, yeah, some parents are thrilled that their kids are now in the “top tier” of society and will send them presents that they will then hopefully post on social media so the moms can repost and brag.

Geez parents are happy their kid got into any sorority, not top tier. I sent my kid some themed cookies after initiation.

I heard that a lot of girls dropped out of rush this year, which is a real shame. Sounds like way more than usual and they started with a smaller group rushing to begin with. Looks like it will be a busy COB season.

If your kid got into the lowest tier that only got 3 girls as opposed to their usual full house would you have sent themed cookies? Maybe you would have - but I am seeing the usual tier hierarchy play out.

What I am seeing on social media is just so eye opening…and depressing. I feel so bad for the kids with everything so in your face on social media. And from what I am seeing the parents are the worst.

I am also seeing tons of posts from kids who were just accepted into college listing all of the sororities in their girls school begging for letters of recommendation. It’s January... 😳
And their kid is not yet in college.

You must be an alum from the pre-2006 era.
This “we only got 3 new members” thing literally doesn’t happen anymore.
NPC fixed the algorithm and now most if not all houses pledge quota unless they choose to under-invite at every round.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw on the parent fb page some parents are sending their daughters cookies and / or flowers. Is this a thing?

I assume parents were not present for Bid Day. I know of out of state moms showing up for Bid Day at Southern universities. Seems a bit much, in my view.

Kind of like when kids get accepted and there is a pic on insta of a kids bedroom with 100+ balloons, $1K of college merch and snack food that matches the school colors. Last year it seemed each post topped the prior one.

So, yeah, some parents are thrilled that their kids are now in the “top tier” of society and will send them presents that they will then hopefully post on social media so the moms can repost and brag.

Geez parents are happy their kid got into any sorority, not top tier. I sent my kid some themed cookies after initiation.

I heard that a lot of girls dropped out of rush this year, which is a real shame. Sounds like way more than usual and they started with a smaller group rushing to begin with. Looks like it will be a busy COB season.

If your kid got into the lowest tier that only got 3 girls as opposed to their usual full house would you have sent themed cookies? Maybe you would have - but I am seeing the usual tier hierarchy play out.

What I am seeing on social media is just so eye opening…and depressing. I feel so bad for the kids with everything so in your face on social media. And from what I am seeing the parents are the worst.

I am also seeing tons of posts from kids who were just accepted into college listing all of the sororities in their girls school begging for letters of recommendation. It’s January... 😳
And their kid is not yet in college.

You must be an alum from the pre-2006 era.
This “we only got 3 new members” thing literally doesn’t happen anymore.
NPC fixed the algorithm and now most if not all houses pledge quota unless they choose to under-invite at every round.

Oh it happened and it’s not even what is considered the “bottom” chapter. So many more folks dropped this year, I think the algorithm broke. theta even had to offer snap bids. My daughter is a pi chi and she said more than half of her dropped throughout the process.

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“more than half of her girls” I should’ve said

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Anonymous wrote:I saw on the parent fb page some parents are sending their daughters cookies and / or flowers. Is this a thing?

I assume parents were not present for Bid Day. I know of out of state moms showing up for Bid Day at Southern universities. Seems a bit much, in my view.

Kind of like when kids get accepted and there is a pic on insta of a kids bedroom with 100+ balloons, $1K of college merch and snack food that matches the school colors. Last year it seemed each post topped the prior one.

So, yeah, some parents are thrilled that their kids are now in the “top tier” of society and will send them presents that they will then hopefully post on social media so the moms can repost and brag.

Geez parents are happy their kid got into any sorority, not top tier. I sent my kid some themed cookies after initiation.

I heard that a lot of girls dropped out of rush this year, which is a real shame. Sounds like way more than usual and they started with a smaller group rushing to begin with. Looks like it will be a busy COB season.

If your kid got into the lowest tier that only got 3 girls as opposed to their usual full house would you have sent themed cookies? Maybe you would have - but I am seeing the usual tier hierarchy play out.

What I am seeing on social media is just so eye opening…and depressing. I feel so bad for the kids with everything so in your face on social media. And from what I am seeing the parents are the worst.

I am also seeing tons of posts from kids who were just accepted into college listing all of the sororities in their girls school begging for letters of recommendation. It’s January... 😳
And their kid is not yet in college.

These types of parents are nuts!! Omg

+1. It is the southern moms who think they are Kardashians, who are trying to perpetuate this toxic BS, living vicariously through their daughter/s.

I see where you’re going with this—but the Kardashian reference tells me you don’t have an accurate depiction in your mind of who these Southern moms and Southern sororities are. (The only thing they have in common with a Kardashian is the way Kris will move the earth and moon ti try to get her daughters what they want. Or at least…what she wants FOR them.)

The moms/alums of the “good” Southern sororities are the exact opposite of Kardashian and will go to great lengths to protect their brand against the “Kardashian-like” type of reputation and behavior that is celebrated in media. If you are tattooed, trashy, foul-mouthed, and known to be sexually promiscuous, you aren’t getting a bid from a good Southern sorority.
Both groups (“top Southern sororities” and “Kardashians”) may still both be abhorrent to you, but they are 100% not the same category.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread had me go down the rabbit hole of uva sorority IG pages. I went there in the late 90s. The pics make it look like it was exactly the same as it was then. Wasn’t my thing then and it really makes me wonder if it’s the place for DD.

Well, perhaps you can be a good parent, and tell your UVA student (like I did) about your concerns. I was President of my sorority back in the day. Huge. huge mistake. Both my kids know that. My UVA kid never pledged and never, ever went into one of the houses, which is easy because they are not on campus and only 30% participate.

Perhaps talk to your children and share your concerns instead of judging here. Lots of great students go to UVA and never participate - it's not like the big Greek houses in the south.

Meanwhile, my kid graduated UVA with highest honors and is overseas getting a doctorate. It can happen. Then law school. Imagine that.

There’s that adjective “only” again. 30% is a huge proportion. Your effort to be dismissive of its presence and influence is unconvincing… no, it’s not for everyone but the Greek system is omnipresent, influential, and mainstream. It’s probably the most popular activity on grounds — can you think of another activity that attracts 30% of the student population?

The activity of avoiding frats attracts 74 percent of the student population. So there’s your answer.

No, that’s it an answer. It sounds like some desperate attempt by you to downplay the significance of the Greek presence on grounds. So you obviously care a whole lot about the Greek system — you have this fantasy that it’s insignificant when the opposite is demonstrably true.

No one is downplaying anything. You aren't aware there are schools like Wash & Lee which is 86 percent greek. 30 percent is small. I don't even remember what my SLACs was but it was not a big deal on campus

DP. 30 percent can feel pretty huge when you’re a first year trying to find where you fit in, and 6 out of 18 girls on your hall suddenly have brand new groups of friends and tons of social opportunities. It really can feel pretty devastating for some, not necessarily because they desperately want to be in a particular sorority, but because they want to find a crowd, or because it disrupts relationships they’ve already formed. I really feel for these kids having to go through this with social media now, too.

Well they could’ve rushed and be at bid day today if they didn’t have some particular pre conceived notion of where they belonged.

Maybe they were not familiar with greek life (I wasn't when I was a freshman). I didn't really know what it was. I also didn't think, once i found out, I could afford it. There are lots of reasons people may not have rushed beyond the "preconceived notion" of the poor, oppressed sororities.

There was some very pointed bad mouthing of one sorority all week on social media. This is a healthy sorority that normally does fine, though they are “low tier”, they got three girls. They normally get a normal sized pledge class. So no I think it’s not innocent reasons, it’s badmouthing on social media which led to girls dropping rather than go to this house. Really awful, why anyone feels the need to put others down, especially those who are no threat to anyone, I have no idea.

Where are kids bad mouthing the houses? My ask is not to read behind but curious were people posting and reading it if it really influenced girls. I would not think people would want to put their name to speaking poorly of other houses?

Yik Yak

That is so mean. I don’t even know what yik yak is? So mean and sad they didn’t get more than 3 girls. Makes me sad.

I thought Yik Yak died more than 5 years ago b/c no one used? Guess not.

It did shut down b/c of “rampant bullying” in 2017. But it’s back.

Article from when relaunched in 2022:

“The Return of Yik Yak. The social media app that shut down in 2017 amid rampant bullying is back on campus with new “community guardrails” in place to prevent harassment. But some students say that’s not enough…. Now a whole new generation of college students is discovering the app. Some have no idea of its past history of cyberbullying and threats….”

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2022/03/07/yik-yak-re-emerges-after-shutdown

From before shut down, Wash Post describes it as “cauldron of hate speech”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/05/07/some-virginia-students-school-officials-struggle-with-anonymous-bullying-and-hate-speech-on-yik-yak-app/

Wow I had no idea, thanks for sharing. my DD told me this week, if YikYak had been a thing when she rushed in Jan 2022, she would’ve dropped from rush. Hateful hateful stuff being shared.

Sounds an awful app from everything hearing/reading.

+1
Which reinforces that the type of people sharing that information and making the hateful comments are the same people in Greek life. No thanks.
DP

+1. Greek Life is a beauty pageant for the socially stunted. No thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw on the parent fb page some parents are sending their daughters cookies and / or flowers. Is this a thing?

I assume parents were not present for Bid Day. I know of out of state moms showing up for Bid Day at Southern universities. Seems a bit much, in my view.

Kind of like when kids get accepted and there is a pic on insta of a kids bedroom with 100+ balloons, $1K of college merch and snack food that matches the school colors. Last year it seemed each post topped the prior one.

So, yeah, some parents are thrilled that their kids are now in the “top tier” of society and will send them presents that they will then hopefully post on social media so the moms can repost and brag.

Geez parents are happy their kid got into any sorority, not top tier. I sent my kid some themed cookies after initiation.

I heard that a lot of girls dropped out of rush this year, which is a real shame. Sounds like way more than usual and they started with a smaller group rushing to begin with. Looks like it will be a busy COB season.

If your kid got into the lowest tier that only got 3 girls as opposed to their usual full house would you have sent themed cookies? Maybe you would have - but I am seeing the usual tier hierarchy play out.

What I am seeing on social media is just so eye opening…and depressing. I feel so bad for the kids with everything so in your face on social media. And from what I am seeing the parents are the worst.

I am also seeing tons of posts from kids who were just accepted into college listing all of the sororities in their girls school begging for letters of recommendation. It’s January... 😳
And their kid is not yet in college.

You must be an alum from the pre-2006 era.
This “we only got 3 new members” thing literally doesn’t happen anymore.
NPC fixed the algorithm and now most if not all houses pledge quota unless they choose to under-invite at every round.

Oh it happened and it’s not even what is considered the “bottom” chapter. So many more folks dropped this year, I think the algorithm broke. theta even had to offer snap bids. My daughter is a pi chi and she said more than half of her dropped throughout the process.

Again, associating “snap bids” with bottom tier and being shocked that groups that are not bottom would do this is simply telling me that you are an alum from 25 years ago.
When every group must limit their invitations based on their prior three years of performance, there will be groups that miss quota by one or three on occasion. And when it happens to a group that is not lower tier (“even theta”) will utilize snap bidding to pretty easily and quickly fill those spots.
Yes, girls drop when they have their hearts set on certain houses and their expectations for what houses will invite them don’t align with what happens for them.
But when that happens, invitation numbers given to the houses by NPC is reduced, and quota is then adjusted each round to reflect the number still enrolled divided by the number of houses.
There are no NPC houses at UVA (or elsewhere) that are matching only three women on bid day.