COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be great to have a non-partisan assessment of what worked and what didn’t work. Everything is so politicized and polarized it is ridiculous.

I think one important lesson is that schools stayed closed far too long, and we are paying a heavy price for that.

We aren’t paying a “heavy” price for it. The kids will be fine.

It’s not like that was some unique or unprecedented phenomenon. Children in war zones go without schooling for years. They experience actual trauma and turn out fine. These overly anxious mommies going all Karen mad in school boards years after the fact whinging about “learning loss” really need to check themselves.

The kids from war zones aren’t “fine”, you doofus. Might want to read up on it next time you hide in your house

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

DP. Wow. You are an absolutely horrible person. Yikes.

No one would commit suicide over Covid. Let’s be real. And, if they did not have enough money to get through a few months that’s on them. There was plenty of help.

Let’s be real? You first. Your delusions are really something.

Do not engage with this poster.
She has a well known covid anxiety and has posted on ALL similar threads

Sorry I meant the poster above you!

Lol, for a minute I was wondering because I never participate in these threads! But I agree with you, this person is not playing with a full deck.

Watch her getting loonier by every post she makes! I used to engage with her; now I just watch, bemused. Her poor kids.

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I don’t know about the politicians but I’ve surely learned my lessons.
If I had to do it all over again I would take my kid out of that ridiculous virtual school and travel even more than we did.
Actually the only subject I had him do work for was math and maybe some writing (but he is a fairly good writer so I just got lucky that he didn’t need it).

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I was speaking to a Norwegian guy the other night. He said the difference with them vs. us in Covid is that they are a high trust society. When Covid started, their government said “we don’t know what this is. We will be cautious and ease up when we know more (or not.)” People trusted them, and then they followed through. Their kids were back in school much faster than in our Blue areas, there was far less social upheaval, and it didn’t really become political. Here, it quickly became a political litmus test and irrational. “Trust the science” was a Democrat slogan, and “Fauci” was a devil to the right. In MoCo in particular Covid zero became an almost jihadist obsession. In other areas not getting the vaccine was a badge of honor. Anyone reasonable who actually looked at data lost faith in government. We will never be able to move forward until we regain public trust and move away from partisanship as our national pastime.

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Anonymous wrote:Apologies if this was already posted, but I came across this article from New York magazine that made me question the efficacy of lockdowns, and our whole response to the pandemic. Very much 20/20 hindsight, but the more I think about it, the angrier I get, especially with closing the schools.

Here’s a link, along with a key paragraph arguing that Sweden probably had the right response.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/covid-lockdowns-big-fail-joe-nocera-bethany-mclean-book-excerpt.html

So in attempting to gauge the value of lockdowns, the most appropriate way is to look not just at COVID deaths but at all deaths during the pandemic years. That’s known as the “excess deaths” — a measure of how many more people died than in a normal year. One authoritative accounting was compiled by The Spectator using data gathered by the OECD. It showed that during the first two years of the pandemic — 2020 and 2021 — the U.S. had 19 percent more deaths than it normally saw in two years’ time. For the U.K., there was a 10 percent rise. And for Sweden — one of the few countries that had refused to lock down its society — it was just 4 percent. An analysis by Bloomberg found broadly similar results. In other words, for all the criticism Sweden shouldered from the world’s public health officials for refusing to institute lockdowns, it wound up seeing a lower overall death rate during the pandemic than most peer nations that shut down schools and public gatherings. It is not unreasonable to conclude from the available data that the lockdowns led to more overall deaths in the U.S. than a policy that resembled Sweden’s would have.

Get over it. Like you said, we learned some stuff from it. Which is how it's supposed to work.

Tired of hearing about the COVID whining.

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Anonymous wrote:There should be Nuremberg type trials for this whole debacle. I will never forget what they did.

Same - we can never EVER forget this.

You're part of the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Apologies if this was already posted, but I came across this article from New York magazine that made me question the efficacy of lockdowns, and our whole response to the pandemic. Very much 20/20 hindsight, but the more I think about it, the angrier I get, especially with closing the schools.

Here’s a link, along with a key paragraph arguing that Sweden probably had the right response.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/covid-lockdowns-big-fail-joe-nocera-bethany-mclean-book-excerpt.html

So in attempting to gauge the value of lockdowns, the most appropriate way is to look not just at COVID deaths but at all deaths during the pandemic years. That’s known as the “excess deaths” — a measure of how many more people died than in a normal year. One authoritative accounting was compiled by The Spectator using data gathered by the OECD. It showed that during the first two years of the pandemic — 2020 and 2021 — the U.S. had 19 percent more deaths than it normally saw in two years’ time. For the U.K., there was a 10 percent rise. And for Sweden — one of the few countries that had refused to lock down its society — it was just 4 percent. An analysis by Bloomberg found broadly similar results. In other words, for all the criticism Sweden shouldered from the world’s public health officials for refusing to institute lockdowns, it wound up seeing a lower overall death rate during the pandemic than most peer nations that shut down schools and public gatherings. It is not unreasonable to conclude from the available data that the lockdowns led to more overall deaths in the U.S. than a policy that resembled Sweden’s would have.

Get over it. Like you said, we learned some stuff from it. Which is how it's supposed to work.

Tired of hearing about the COVID whining.

What did "we" learn?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would be great to have a non-partisan assessment of what worked and what didn’t work. Everything is so politicized and polarized it is ridiculous.

I think one important lesson is that schools stayed closed far too long, and we are paying a heavy price for that.

We aren’t paying a “heavy” price for it. The kids will be fine.

It’s not like that was some unique or unprecedented phenomenon. Children in war zones go without schooling for years. They experience actual trauma and turn out fine. These overly anxious mommies going all Karen mad in school boards years after the fact whinging about “learning loss” really need to check themselves.

The kids from war zones aren’t “fine”, you doofus. Might want to read up on it next time you hide in your house

You are such an insufferable twat.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/first-person-nadja-halilbegovich-1.6308023

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There should be Nuremberg type trials for this whole debacle. I will never forget what they did.

Same - we can never EVER forget this.

You are mental.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There should be Nuremberg type trials for this whole debacle. I will never forget what they did.

Okay. Mentally masturbate over that all you want, but it's not going to happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would be great to have a non-partisan assessment of what worked and what didn’t work. Everything is so politicized and polarized it is ridiculous.

I think one important lesson is that schools stayed closed far too long, and we are paying a heavy price for that.

We aren’t paying a “heavy” price for it. The kids will be fine.

It’s not like that was some unique or unprecedented phenomenon. Children in war zones go without schooling for years. They experience actual trauma and turn out fine. These overly anxious mommies going all Karen mad in school boards years after the fact whinging about “learning loss” really need to check themselves.

The kids from war zones aren’t “fine”, you doofus. Might want to read up on it next time you hide in your house

You are such an insufferable twat.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/first-person-nadja-halilbegovich-1.6308023

Ahhh, you respond with anecdata. This is why we don't want you in charge of any policy.

[Anonymous]

The masks were the best !! 😂😂😂

Everybody wearing dirty masks and rebreathing CO2 mixed with germs 24-7 365. A line dance of mental midgets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was speaking to a Norwegian guy the other night. He said the difference with them vs. us in Covid is that they are a high trust society. When Covid started, their government said “we don’t know what this is. We will be cautious and ease up when we know more (or not.)” People trusted them, and then they followed through. Their kids were back in school much faster than in our Blue areas, there was far less social upheaval, and it didn’t really become political. Here, it quickly became a political litmus test and irrational. “Trust the science” was a Democrat slogan, and “Fauci” was a devil to the right. In MoCo in particular Covid zero became an almost jihadist obsession. In other areas not getting the vaccine was a badge of honor. Anyone reasonable who actually looked at data lost faith in government. We will never be able to move forward until we regain public trust and move away from partisanship as our national pastime.

The Amish make everybody look foolish. They literally did nothing different. It’s so embarrassing for the CDC and establishment that they purposefully ignore it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So this is about you being in a snit fit over school closings?

Newsflash: Teachers were not going to return to the classroom because they were the exact demographic Covid was killing.

Are you calling teachers old and fat?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was speaking to a Norwegian guy the other night. He said the difference with them vs. us in Covid is that they are a high trust society. When Covid started, their government said “we don’t know what this is. We will be cautious and ease up when we know more (or not.)” People trusted them, and then they followed through. Their kids were back in school much faster than in our Blue areas, there was far less social upheaval, and it didn’t really become political. Here, it quickly became a political litmus test and irrational. “Trust the science” was a Democrat slogan, and “Fauci” was a devil to the right. In MoCo in particular Covid zero became an almost jihadist obsession. In other areas not getting the vaccine was a badge of honor. Anyone reasonable who actually looked at data lost faith in government. We will never be able to move forward until we regain public trust and move away from partisanship as our national pastime.

The Amish make everybody look foolish. They literally did nothing different. It’s so embarrassing for the CDC and establishment that they purposefully ignore it.

You are really hanging on to that. The Amish have never been assiduous about reporting births, deaths, or anything else to the standard government, but when it's been studied, they were hit hard as well. But once again -- where do you think the numbers are tracked? At the Amish Deaths website which is updated online, what, weekly? They are closed communities. They don't "report" to anybody.

Closed but Not Protected: Excess Deaths Among the Amish and Mennonites During the COVID-19 Pandemic
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8195242/

“Excess deaths” is a means to estimate the lethality of COVID-19 (directly and indirectly). Assessing “excess death” in closed religious communities provides information on how COVID-19 impacted these communities. We use obituary information published in an Amish/Mennonite newspaper to examine excess death among the Amish/Mennonites in 2020. Our results indicate the Amish/Mennonite excess death rates are similar to the national trends in the USA. The excess death rate for Amish/Mennonites spiked with a 125% increase in November 2020.The impact of COVID-19 on this closed religious community highlights the need to consider religion to stop the spread of COVID-19.

Also:

Death and religion: ‘Excess deaths’ sweep through Amish and Mennonite communities during COVID-19 pandemic
https://wvutoday.wvu.edu/stories/2021/06/22/death-and-religion-excess-deaths-sweep-through-amish-and-mennonite-communities-during-covid-19-pandemic

Amish communities have been affected by the COVID-19 pandemic
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-amish-idUSL2N2NZ1TY/