COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.

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Anonymous wrote:There should be Nuremberg type trials for this whole debacle. I will never forget what they did.

Same - we can never EVER forget this.

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Anonymous wrote:There should be Nuremberg type trials for this whole debacle. I will never forget what they did.

I told you all earlier this is what OP and his ilk want, they want capital punishment for COVID mitigation efforts.

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Anonymous wrote:There should be Nuremberg type trials for this whole debacle. I will never forget what they did.

Same - we can never EVER forget this.

They should be given medals of honor for saving lives.

You two (assuming you aren’t a sock puppet) should be locked down permanently.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be great to have a non-partisan assessment of what worked and what didn’t work. Everything is so politicized and polarized it is ridiculous.

I think one important lesson is that schools stayed closed far too long, and we are paying a heavy price for that.

The kids paid a heavy price, and their parents. The people who made these decisions aren't paying anything and will never be held accountable.

You keep forgetting to mention the teachers who might have refused to go to work or quit if they had been forced back. Who was going to do the teaching? Why do you expect people to sacrifice for you?

This is the latest Democratic spin. “Oh we could not have opened schools! Teachers would have quit!” Do you think we are idiots? In DC right here, private and parochial teachers returnee. They returned in other states and in countries around the world. The reason blue city teachers refused to return is that their unions had political support and the Dems turned “keep schools closed” into a campaign promise, which is absolutely deranged. And then cowed public opinion by labeling any parent who dissented as a racist teacher-killer. Not to mention exaggerating the risk. We lived through it sweetie - we know what happened.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with this example is that Sweden is a small, culturally homogenous, fairly wealthy country in a northern climate. Would the same approach have the same outcome in the US? Probably not.

Like questions I'd want answered include:

- Did high conscientiousness among Swedish people result in voluntary social distancing during Covid peaks even without lockdowns?

- Did the climate in Sweden, with just a short summer season, allow Sweden to avoid the worst of the pandemic because people there socialize less outside their families in cold months anyway?

- Did Sweden's strong social safety net play a role?

I do tend to think that hard, very restrictive lockdowns likely have less of an effect on death rates than we think, and also that prolonged lockdowns have real costs that we are still reluctant to acknowledge in many cases.

I agree with all of this.

And I refuse to be angry. I wish we could study the effects of the lockdowns, be objective, and learn some lessons, but that's not where we are as a people. I think we are doing more damage to ourselves by being angry over something we can't change now. It's not productive. If there was any area where we should have admitted failure it was with schools. I would like to have seen something structural done to address learning loss.

This is a really great post! We should absolutely study the response objectively and learn some lessons for other crisis situations. I also agree the loss of learning is basically being ignored years later and many students are still struggling.

DP and I agree. I have posted this many times on these stupid threads where people are still raving about "lockdowns" and the COVID response. That is done. We should look at it and plan for next time, sure (with some acknowledgement that next time will be a different virus that may target different people in different ways but...I digress. The whiners don't want to think about that).

But what is more important is to focus on helping people in the here and now.

But you know what, the complainers don't have answers for that, and many of them are conservatives who balk at spending money on anything that reeks of a public service, so instead they come on here and just demonize about Democrats, their favorite boogeymen.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be great to have a non-partisan assessment of what worked and what didn’t work. Everything is so politicized and polarized it is ridiculous.

I think one important lesson is that schools stayed closed far too long, and we are paying a heavy price for that.

The kids paid a heavy price, and their parents. The people who made these decisions aren't paying anything and will never be held accountable.

You keep forgetting to mention the teachers who might have refused to go to work or quit if they had been forced back. Who was going to do the teaching? Why do you expect people to sacrifice for you?

This is the latest Democratic spin. “Oh we could not have opened schools! Teachers would have quit!” Do you think we are idiots? In DC right here, private and parochial teachers returnee. They returned in other states and in countries around the world. The reason blue city teachers refused to return is that their unions had political support and the Dems turned “keep schools closed” into a campaign promise, which is absolutely deranged. And then cowed public opinion by labeling any parent who dissented as a racist teacher-killer. Not to mention exaggerating the risk. We lived through it sweetie - we know what happened.

And yet, you still come on here and spew nonsense. Somewhere in the middle is the truth, but you are to busy foaming and the mouth about "Dems" to ever see it. Seek therapy. Truly.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how there are STILL people on this thread sticking up for lockdowns. They did NOTHING. Worst "experiment" ever. Look where we are now because of lockdowns. Inflation through the roof. Happy?

No one is "sticking up" for lockdowns. But some people are able to have nuanced views about things.

You, not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a real eye opener watching the public doing a ridiculous and illogical line-dance out of fear. A real life twilight zone episode. The CDC and government were sending mixed signals, nonsensical omissions, ridiculous on its face procedures and false vaccine promises of effectiveness. Not sure what it was but the combo of fear, hysteria, weak intellect / critical thinking and discernment was exposed and nothing will be the same.

I saw it as several things on the part of those in power:
-fear of responsibility/litigation
-the need to “do something”
- desire to keep their post/job

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

DP. Wow. You are an absolutely horrible person. Yikes.

No one would commit suicide over Covid. Let’s be real. And, if they did not have enough money to get through a few months that’s on them. There was plenty of help.

Let’s be real? You first. Your delusions are really something.

Do not engage with this poster.
She has a well known covid anxiety and has posted on ALL similar threads

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

DP. Wow. You are an absolutely horrible person. Yikes.

No one would commit suicide over Covid. Let’s be real. And, if they did not have enough money to get through a few months that’s on them. There was plenty of help.

Let’s be real? You first. Your delusions are really something.

Do not engage with this poster.
She has a well known covid anxiety and has posted on ALL similar threads

Sorry I meant the poster above you!

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Looking back, the amount of effort expended *post vaccine* for “safety measures” seems quite absurd and I do not think it will be repeated.

Yep, I guess the silver lining to my kids being subjected to this nonsense is that it won't happen to the future generation.

The sad thing is that the politicians didn’t really learn any lessons (except how not to piss off the people so much).
Schools will likely stay open next time (but with ridiculous measures negating it) and people won’t be prevented from going to work (because they don’t want to pay lost wages). The amount of ridiculous “safety measures” will increase though because there needs to be an illusion of safety.
It’s all driven by two things: economics and wanting to stay in power

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Anonymous wrote:It would be great to have a non-partisan assessment of what worked and what didn’t work. Everything is so politicized and polarized it is ridiculous.

I think one important lesson is that schools stayed closed far too long, and we are paying a heavy price for that.

The kids paid a heavy price, and their parents. The people who made these decisions aren't paying anything and will never be held accountable.

This.
Moreover, I predict that next time kids will be kept in schools, but with so many “safety measures” that we might even wish they weren’t. I mean, masking little kids and their teachers might hinder development even more than giving them an option to stay home.

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

DP. Wow. You are an absolutely horrible person. Yikes.

No one would commit suicide over Covid. Let’s be real. And, if they did not have enough money to get through a few months that’s on them. There was plenty of help.

Let’s be real? You first. Your delusions are really something.

Do not engage with this poster.
She has a well known covid anxiety and has posted on ALL similar threads

Sorry I meant the poster above you!

Lol, for a minute I was wondering because I never participate in these threads! But I agree with you, this person is not playing with a full deck.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be great to have a non-partisan assessment of what worked and what didn’t work. Everything is so politicized and polarized it is ridiculous.

I think one important lesson is that schools stayed closed far too long, and we are paying a heavy price for that.

The kids paid a heavy price, and their parents. The people who made these decisions aren't paying anything and will never be held accountable.

You keep forgetting to mention the teachers who might have refused to go to work or quit if they had been forced back. Who was going to do the teaching? Why do you expect people to sacrifice for you?

That’s where they should have sent the national guard.
Some of them would have made better teachers than those just waiting it out until retirement.

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Anonymous wrote:I still have no clue why all the playgrounds got fenced off and closed. WHY?!

We tried very hard to keep things normal for our small kids, but as parents we paid a heavy price. I changed a lot as a parent and also as a person. I had a great life beforehand filled with friends and relatives. It made me realize that you can't rely on anyone. Grandparents just huddled in their houses by themselves while kids had mental breakdown and parents nearly lost their jobs.

Yes I was changed as a person too. Became pretty jaded. My kid, surprisingly, did better - but I would never dream of denying that some kids were deeply affected.
As for the playgrounds - those in power had to “do something” and it was the easiest thing to do.