College Football--Big Ten Expansion

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Anonymous wrote:The Big Ten will never make an offer to Clemson or FSU.

I don't think they will ever offer membership to a non AAU school again. They seem to make about about academic qualifications and they have more teams wanting to join than they have space to accommodate.

Agree that the current rumor is a ploy.

https://aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

Agree that the Big Ten Conference is unlikely to target Clemson or FSU--but money talks and bs walks. Never say never.

https://outkick.com/big-ten-vetting-expansion-oregon-washington-unc-duke-miami/

In my opinion, FSU 7 about 6 other ACC teams are trying to force change now while major conferences consider expansion and other conferences (Pac-12 and ACC) fight to survive.

The majority of the ACC know they are better off in the ACC than elsewhere and that FSU and Clemson have no choice for more than a decade. U

The ACC has 14 members which play football of which 7 are trying to leave the conference.

7 may be trying, but only 2 seem desperate. UNC/UVA/GT aren't going to cross the Rubicon without assurances

those schools are after thoughts in this. National ratings is what drives a TV deal. Who wants to see UVA play GT? or UNC play Rutgers?

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Anonymous wrote:The Big Ten will never make an offer to Clemson or FSU.

I don't think they will ever offer membership to a non AAU school again. They seem to make about about academic qualifications and they have more teams wanting to join than they have space to accommodate.

Agree that the current rumor is a ploy.

https://aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

Agree that the Big Ten Conference is unlikely to target Clemson or FSU--but money talks and bs walks. Never say never.

https://outkick.com/big-ten-vetting-expansion-oregon-washington-unc-duke-miami/

In my opinion, FSU 7 about 6 other ACC teams are trying to force change now while major conferences consider expansion and other conferences (Pac-12 and ACC) fight to survive.

The majority of the ACC know they are better off in the ACC than elsewhere and that FSU and Clemson have no choice for more than a decade. U

The ACC has 14 members which play football of which 7 are trying to leave the conference.

7 may be trying, but only 2 seem desperate. UNC/UVA/GT aren't going to cross the Rubicon without assurances

those schools are after thoughts in this. National ratings is what drives a TV deal. Who wants to see UVA play GT? or UNC play Rutgers?

I will answer that. Nobody!

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Anonymous wrote:The Big Ten will never make an offer to Clemson or FSU.

I don't think they will ever offer membership to a non AAU school again. They seem to make about about academic qualifications and they have more teams wanting to join than they have space to accommodate.

Agree that the current rumor is a ploy.

https://aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

Agree that the Big Ten Conference is unlikely to target Clemson or FSU--but money talks and bs walks. Never say never.

https://outkick.com/big-ten-vetting-expansion-oregon-washington-unc-duke-miami/

In my opinion, FSU 7 about 6 other ACC teams are trying to force change now while major conferences consider expansion and other conferences (Pac-12 and ACC) fight to survive.

The majority of the ACC know they are better off in the ACC than elsewhere and that FSU and Clemson have no choice for more than a decade. U

The ACC has 14 members which play football of which 7 are trying to leave the conference.

7 may be trying, but only 2 seem desperate. UNC/UVA/GT aren't going to cross the Rubicon without assurances

those schools are after thoughts in this. National ratings is what drives a TV deal. Who wants to see UVA play GT? or UNC play Rutgers?

Exactly, that's why they aren't going to agree to let Clemson and FSU dissolve the grant of rights

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Anonymous wrote:The Big Ten will never make an offer to Clemson or FSU.

I don't think they will ever offer membership to a non AAU school again. They seem to make about about academic qualifications and they have more teams wanting to join than they have space to accommodate.

Agree that the current rumor is a ploy.

https://aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

Agree that the Big Ten Conference is unlikely to target Clemson or FSU--but money talks and bs walks. Never say never.

https://outkick.com/big-ten-vetting-expansion-oregon-washington-unc-duke-miami/

In my opinion, FSU 7 about 6 other ACC teams are trying to force change now while major conferences consider expansion and other conferences (Pac-12 and ACC) fight to survive.

The majority of the ACC know they are better off in the ACC than elsewhere and that FSU and Clemson have no choice for more than a decade. U

The ACC has 14 members which play football of which 7 are trying to leave the conference.

7 may be trying, but only 2 seem desperate. UNC/UVA/GT aren't going to cross the Rubicon without assurances

those schools are after thoughts in this. National ratings is what drives a TV deal. Who wants to see UVA play GT? or UNC play Rutgers?

Exactly, that's why they aren't going to agree to let Clemson and FSU dissolve the grant of rights

Clemson and FSU are moving

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Anonymous wrote:2022 regular season average viewership for the 16 Big Ten Conference football teams:

1) Ohio State--5.80 million
2) U Michigan--4.37
3) Penn State--3.05
4) USC--2.07
5) Nebraska--1.98
6) Michigan State--1.91
7) U Maryland--1.864
8) UCLA--1.591
9) Wisconsin--1.587
10) Iowa--1.5
11) Indiana--1.19
12) Illinois--1.17
13) Northwestern--1.13
14) Minnesota--1.05
15) Purdue--870,000
16) Rutgers--618,000

Top expansion prospects for Big Ten Conference:

Notre Dame--3.3 million
U Oregon--2.21
FSU--2.03
U Utah--1.16
U Washington--1.15
UCal-Berkely--857,000
UNC--849,000
Stanford--846,000
Georgia Tech--837,000
U Pittsburgh--650,000
U Miami--608,000

Schools like U Virginia--237,000; Duke--115,700; Boston College--322,000 just don't have enough viewership to be attractive to the Big Ten Conference.

Rating reflect which games Fox, CBS and ABC decide to air nationally. ND will always have great rating because they always play on NBC. Teams in the playoff hunt will have great rating because they will get national games. If TCU drops a game or two early, their rating will plummet because they won't be on TV outside of Texas anymore

Agree--especially with respect to the comment about TCU. Nonetheless, the networks select games which viewers want to see. Ratings reflect which games viewers actually watch. Viewers have multiple choices of football games from multiple broadcast & streaming services. No one is clamoring to see more BC or Duke football on national TV.

I know people love a good train wreck, but you can't convince me that anyone actually wanted to see Iowa play last year

Big Ten member Iowa averaged 1,500,000 viewers per regular season game in 2022. Showing Univ. of Iowa on TV is about as dumb as thinking that an NFL franchise could survive in tiny out-of-the-way Green Bay, Wisconsin.

Iowa averaging 1,500,000 viewers with riveting games like a 6-9 loss to Illinois and a 13-10 win over Minnesota proves the point that the conference and not the teams matter

Agree that results of games played in the major conferences like the SEC and the Big Ten matter more to the general public and to the CFP than do schools in less dominant conferences. This is one reason why membership in the Big Ten Conference or in the SEC pay more--and a lot more when CFP playoff is shared.

Iowa, Illinois and Minnesota are in the Big10. The only reason people watched those games is because that's what the network chose to air

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Anonymous wrote:The Big Ten will never make an offer to Clemson or FSU.

I don't think they will ever offer membership to a non AAU school again. They seem to make about about academic qualifications and they have more teams wanting to join than they have space to accommodate.

Agree that the current rumor is a ploy.

https://aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

Agree that the Big Ten Conference is unlikely to target Clemson or FSU--but money talks and bs walks. Never say never.

https://outkick.com/big-ten-vetting-expansion-oregon-washington-unc-duke-miami/

In my opinion, FSU 7 about 6 other ACC teams are trying to force change now while major conferences consider expansion and other conferences (Pac-12 and ACC) fight to survive.

The majority of the ACC know they are better off in the ACC than elsewhere and that FSU and Clemson have no choice for more than a decade. U

The ACC has 14 members which play football of which 7 are trying to leave the conference.

7 may be trying, but only 2 seem desperate. UNC/UVA/GT aren't going to cross the Rubicon without assurances

those schools are after thoughts in this. National ratings is what drives a TV deal. Who wants to see UVA play GT? or UNC play Rutgers?

Exactly, that's why they aren't going to agree to let Clemson and FSU dissolve the grant of rights

Clemson and FSU are moving

Maybe, but the right to broadcast their games through 2036 are staying. I'm not sure how much Clemson minus it's tv rights is worth to the SEC.

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those schools are after thoughts in this. National ratings is what drives a TV deal. Who wants to see UVA play GT? or UNC play Rutgers?

Exactly, that's why they aren't going to agree to let Clemson and FSU dissolve the grant of rights

Clemson and FSU are moving

Maybe, but the right to broadcast their games through 2036 are staying. I'm not sure how much Clemson minus it's tv rights is worth to the SEC.

The fee to leave will be absorbed by the new conference.

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Anonymous wrote:2022 regular season average viewership for the 16 Big Ten Conference football teams:

1) Ohio State--5.80 million
2) U Michigan--4.37
3) Penn State--3.05
4) USC--2.07
5) Nebraska--1.98
6) Michigan State--1.91
7) U Maryland--1.864
8) UCLA--1.591
9) Wisconsin--1.587
10) Iowa--1.5
11) Indiana--1.19
12) Illinois--1.17
13) Northwestern--1.13
14) Minnesota--1.05
15) Purdue--870,000
16) Rutgers--618,000

Top expansion prospects for Big Ten Conference:

Notre Dame--3.3 million
U Oregon--2.21
FSU--2.03
U Utah--1.16
U Washington--1.15
UCal-Berkely--857,000
UNC--849,000
Stanford--846,000
Georgia Tech--837,000
U Pittsburgh--650,000
U Miami--608,000

Schools like U Virginia--237,000; Duke--115,700; Boston College--322,000 just don't have enough viewership to be attractive to the Big Ten Conference.

Rating reflect which games Fox, CBS and ABC decide to air nationally. ND will always have great rating because they always play on NBC. Teams in the playoff hunt will have great rating because they will get national games. If TCU drops a game or two early, their rating will plummet because they won't be on TV outside of Texas anymore

Agree--especially with respect to the comment about TCU. Nonetheless, the networks select games which viewers want to see. Ratings reflect which games viewers actually watch. Viewers have multiple choices of football games from multiple broadcast & streaming services. No one is clamoring to see more BC or Duke football on national TV.

I know people love a good train wreck, but you can't convince me that anyone actually wanted to see Iowa play last year

Big Ten member Iowa averaged 1,500,000 viewers per regular season game in 2022. Showing Univ. of Iowa on TV is about as dumb as thinking that an NFL franchise could survive in tiny out-of-the-way Green Bay, Wisconsin.

Iowa averaging 1,500,000 viewers with riveting games like a 6-9 loss to Illinois and a 13-10 win over Minnesota proves the point that the conference and not the teams matter

Agree that results of games played in the major conferences like the SEC and the Big Ten matter more to the general public and to the CFP than do schools in less dominant conferences. This is one reason why membership in the Big Ten Conference or in the SEC pay more--and a lot more when CFP playoff is shared.

Iowa, Illinois and Minnesota are in the Big10. The only reason people watched those games is because that's what the network chose to air

Not entirely accurate. All Big Ten schools have large alumni bases.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Big Ten will never make an offer to Clemson or FSU.

I don't think they will ever offer membership to a non AAU school again. They seem to make about about academic qualifications and they have more teams wanting to join than they have space to accommodate.

Agree that the current rumor is a ploy.

https://aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

Agree that the Big Ten Conference is unlikely to target Clemson or FSU--but money talks and bs walks. Never say never.

https://outkick.com/big-ten-vetting-expansion-oregon-washington-unc-duke-miami/

In my opinion, FSU 7 about 6 other ACC teams are trying to force change now while major conferences consider expansion and other conferences (Pac-12 and ACC) fight to survive.

The majority of the ACC know they are better off in the ACC than elsewhere and that FSU and Clemson have no choice for more than a decade. U

The ACC has 14 members which play football of which 7 are trying to leave the conference.

7 may be trying, but only 2 seem desperate. UNC/UVA/GT aren't going to cross the Rubicon without assurances

Do you realize that along with Clemson & FSU, Virginia (UVA) & UNC are among the 7 schools trying to get out of the ACC ?

FSU, Clemson, Va Tech, Virginia, NC State, UNC, & U Miami.

This article states that the TV contract could become void IF 8 schools leave the ACC.

https://espnswfl.com/listicle/acc-schools-looking-to-leave/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Big Ten will never make an offer to Clemson or FSU.

I don't think they will ever offer membership to a non AAU school again. They seem to make about about academic qualifications and they have more teams wanting to join than they have space to accommodate.

Agree that the current rumor is a ploy.

https://aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

Agree that the Big Ten Conference is unlikely to target Clemson or FSU--but money talks and bs walks. Never say never.

https://outkick.com/big-ten-vetting-expansion-oregon-washington-unc-duke-miami/

In my opinion, FSU 7 about 6 other ACC teams are trying to force change now while major conferences consider expansion and other conferences (Pac-12 and ACC) fight to survive.

The majority of the ACC know they are better off in the ACC than elsewhere and that FSU and Clemson have no choice for more than a decade. U

The ACC has 14 members which play football of which 7 are trying to leave the conference.

7 may be trying, but only 2 seem desperate. UNC/UVA/GT aren't going to cross the Rubicon without assurances

Do you realize that along with Clemson & FSU, Virginia (UVA) & UNC are among the 7 schools trying to get out of the ACC ?

FSU, Clemson, Va Tech, Virginia, NC State, UNC, & U Miami.

This article states that the TV contract could become void IF 8 schools leave the ACC.

https://espnswfl.com/listicle/acc-schools-looking-to-leave/

“Could” the other 8 will sue and win. The only school in the whole conference that if you unencumbered would be Florida State. The rest have no definite landing spot in the Big or SEC.

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FSU denied by AAU.

https://tallahassee.com/story/opinion/2023/06/15/aau-selects-usf-in-stunning-rebuke-of-fsu-where-is-the-accountability/70318114007/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Big Ten will never make an offer to Clemson or FSU.

I don't think they will ever offer membership to a non AAU school again. They seem to make about about academic qualifications and they have more teams wanting to join than they have space to accommodate.

Agree that the current rumor is a ploy.

https://aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

Agree that the Big Ten Conference is unlikely to target Clemson or FSU--but money talks and bs walks. Never say never.

https://outkick.com/big-ten-vetting-expansion-oregon-washington-unc-duke-miami/

In my opinion, FSU 7 about 6 other ACC teams are trying to force change now while major conferences consider expansion and other conferences (Pac-12 and ACC) fight to survive.

The majority of the ACC know they are better off in the ACC than elsewhere and that FSU and Clemson have no choice for more than a decade. U

The ACC has 14 members which play football of which 7 are trying to leave the conference.

7 may be trying, but only 2 seem desperate. UNC/UVA/GT aren't going to cross the Rubicon without assurances

Do you realize that along with Clemson & FSU, Virginia (UVA) & UNC are among the 7 schools trying to get out of the ACC ?

FSU, Clemson, Va Tech, Virginia, NC State, UNC, & U Miami.

This article states that the TV contract could become void IF 8 schools leave the ACC.

https://espnswfl.com/listicle/acc-schools-looking-to-leave/

But they would have to have landing spots sewn up before they took that chance, right? FSU and Clemson, sure. Va Tech? NC State?

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Anonymous wrote:FSU denied by AAU.

https://tallahassee.com/story/opinion/2023/06/15/aau-selects-usf-in-stunning-rebuke-of-fsu-where-is-the-accountability/70318114007/

This is why FSU will not be in the Big Ten.

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Anonymous wrote:The Big Ten will never make an offer to Clemson or FSU.

I don't think they will ever offer membership to a non AAU school again. They seem to make about about academic qualifications and they have more teams wanting to join than they have space to accommodate.

Agree that the current rumor is a ploy.

https://aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

Agree that the Big Ten Conference is unlikely to target Clemson or FSU--but money talks and bs walks. Never say never.

https://outkick.com/big-ten-vetting-expansion-oregon-washington-unc-duke-miami/

In my opinion, FSU 7 about 6 other ACC teams are trying to force change now while major conferences consider expansion and other conferences (Pac-12 and ACC) fight to survive.

The majority of the ACC know they are better off in the ACC than elsewhere and that FSU and Clemson have no choice for more than a decade. U

The ACC has 14 members which play football of which 7 are trying to leave the conference.

7 may be trying, but only 2 seem desperate. UNC/UVA/GT aren't going to cross the Rubicon without assurances

Do you realize that along with Clemson & FSU, Virginia (UVA) & UNC are among the 7 schools trying to get out of the ACC ?

FSU, Clemson, Va Tech, Virginia, NC State, UNC, & U Miami.

This article states that the TV contract could become void IF 8 schools leave the ACC.

https://espnswfl.com/listicle/acc-schools-looking-to-leave/

“Could” the other 8 will sue and win. The only school in the whole conference that if you unencumbered would be Florida State. The rest have no definite landing spot in the Big or SEC.

SEC most likely would accept Clemson, FSU, U Miami, and maybe NC State, UNC, VaTech, & Virginia.

Big Ten might offer U Miami, UNC, Virginia, & Georgia Tech.

Big 12 would be interested in several of the remaining schools.

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IF the ACC crumbles, Duke & Wake Forest (WFU) would face the most difficulty in finding a new home.