Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges

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Anonymous wrote:Test scores alone are not highly indicative of a successful future college student. It makes no sense to force a college to admit students based on this criteria. I don’t know why we put so much weight upon them. All they really do is generically show relative strengths and weaknesses among high schools.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/02/19/study-finds-little-difference-academic-success-students-who-do-and-dont-submit-sat#:~:text=The%20study%20confirms%20that%20high,who%20will%20succeed%20in%20college.%22

I keep seeing this claim made but there are decades of research studies on this topic and many show that SAT scores are a very strong predictor of not only college grades but future career success as well.

I think high SAT scores are a predictor of future career success, but not necessarily college grades.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Test scores alone are not highly indicative of a successful future college student. It makes no sense to force a college to admit students based on this criteria. I don’t know why we put so much weight upon them. All they really do is generically show relative strengths and weaknesses among high schools.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/02/19/study-finds-little-difference-academic-success-students-who-do-and-dont-submit-sat#:~:text=The%20study%20confirms%20that%20high,who%20will%20succeed%20in%20college.%22

I keep seeing this claim made but there are decades of research studies on this topic and many show that SAT scores are a very strong predictor of not only college grades but future career success as well.

+1 which is why MIT went back to requiring SAT scores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look, Asian communities pride themselves on being homogenous. The U.S. does not. The U.S. will never have one ethnicity in their schools.

I think you're confused. Asian communities aren't out to make all the schools Asian. They just don't want to be discriminated against. I think black people would know how that feels, right?

No you are confused, because you do not understand that all top schools admissions are a lottery. Period.

I'm very well aware of that, but you or a PP stated " The U.S. will never have one ethnicity in their schools". That is what I was responding to. The Asian community aren't out to make the schools homogeneous.

You are indeed confused.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Test scores alone are not highly indicative of a successful future college student. It makes no sense to force a college to admit students based on this criteria. I don’t know why we put so much weight upon them. All they really do is generically show relative strengths and weaknesses among high schools.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/02/19/study-finds-little-difference-academic-success-students-who-do-and-dont-submit-sat#:~:text=The%20study%20confirms%20that%20high,who%20will%20succeed%20in%20college.%22

I keep seeing this claim made but there are decades of research studies on this topic and many show that SAT scores are a very strong predictor of not only college grades but future career success as well.

+1 which is why MIT went back to requiring SAT scores.

And CalTech didn’t. So what.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As someone with a PhD from the Ivy League who taught the undergrads, I can assure all the people saying this guy is a dime a dozen are mistaken. There are so many morons who slip through the cracks of the Ivy League admissions system that it's shocking. I think about 10% of folks in classes I taught probably shouldn't have been in college at all. Others were ver mid, reminiscent of a typical state school student. The fact this guy got rejected by so many schools is entirely indicative of anti Asian racism imo

There are tons of students that have these stats who get rejected - not just Asian. I know a handful, myself. I would imagine those like me also know a (different) handful. It is not as "uncommon" as you would like to believe. Same as it is not "uncommon" to have advanced degree/s from ivy/MIT/top universities in this geographical area (and a few other geographical areas). Just as so many on DCUM are "professors" (usually adjunct) - also a dime a dozen. It has nothing to do with being Asian, but it is a hot topic right now, so someone is trying to draw attention to it.

American Universities have a specific mission to NOT contain one ethnicity of student. In fact, we fought more than one war over this same type of thing. Just drop it.

The Supreme Court of the United States has a specific mission to block any sort of discrimination. Yes, Americans have fought for this.
Just drop it.

Where did you get this idea? That's not correct. If you're talking about the 5th and 14th amendments to the U.S. Constitution they prohibit the government from discriminating - their authority certainly does not extend to "block[ing] any sort of discrimination."

Sorry, the Supreme Court of the United States will block colleges from racial discrimination.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look, Asian communities pride themselves on being homogenous. The U.S. does not. The U.S. will never have one ethnicity in their schools.

I think you're confused. Asian communities aren't out to make all the schools Asian. They just don't want to be discriminated against. I think black people would know how that feels, right?

You keep saying this - and it has different meaning. Black people have a very different history in the U.S. It is not an appropriate argument.

Not all Asian people who apply can be admitted to top U.S. schools. You need to change your focus. There are literally THOUSANDS of colleges and universities in the U.S. Not all top white students are admitted to them. It is a lottery, pure and simple. The sooner you understand this, the better off your children will be. Just because you make your children prep all their lives for a certain university, and think you are doing all the right things, does not grant admission to that university. White people have had to learn this, also.

When my parents immigrated, if they were told by their community that they need to do this prep and that prep, and they will be admitted to Harvard, my parents would have done so, too. However, my parents would have also had a plan B (and C and D and so on), because they were truly intelligent.

There are smart white people, too - not just Asians are top notch. Your posts sound extremely slanted and inaccurate. We get it, there are first generation top students who are not admitted to schools that they "should" be - the whole point is, there are only a certain number of seats, and that will never change. Period. Again, change your focus to other schools - it will only help your family.

I understand that after a certain threshold it's a lottery, but the Harvard case shows that they use discriminatory practices, much as they did back when they discriminated against Jews by using the same tactic.

Do you think black people would be upset if they were given "high likelihood of committing a crime" on their application, especially since the AO never met them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Test scores alone are not highly indicative of a successful future college student. It makes no sense to force a college to admit students based on this criteria. I don’t know why we put so much weight upon them. All they really do is generically show relative strengths and weaknesses among high schools.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/02/19/study-finds-little-difference-academic-success-students-who-do-and-dont-submit-sat#:~:text=The%20study%20confirms%20that%20high,who%20will%20succeed%20in%20college.%22

I keep seeing this claim made but there are decades of research studies on this topic and many show that SAT scores are a very strong predictor of not only college grades but future career success as well.

+1 which is why MIT went back to requiring SAT scores.

And CalTech didn’t. So what.

CalTech with very small number of students is a special case, and it's the only school makes sense for no SAT score required.
They require higher level of evidence than SAT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, Asian communities pride themselves on being homogenous. The U.S. does not. The U.S. will never have one ethnicity in their schools.

I think you're confused. Asian communities aren't out to make all the schools Asian. They just don't want to be discriminated against. I think black people would know how that feels, right?

You keep saying this - and it has different meaning. Black people have a very different history in the U.S. It is not an appropriate argument.

Not all Asian people who apply can be admitted to top U.S. schools. You need to change your focus. There are literally THOUSANDS of colleges and universities in the U.S. Not all top white students are admitted to them. It is a lottery, pure and simple. The sooner you understand this, the better off your children will be. Just because you make your children prep all their lives for a certain university, and think you are doing all the right things, does not grant admission to that university. White people have had to learn this, also.

When my parents immigrated, if they were told by their community that they need to do this prep and that prep, and they will be admitted to Harvard, my parents would have done so, too. However, my parents would have also had a plan B (and C and D and so on), because they were truly intelligent.

There are smart white people, too - not just Asians are top notch. Your posts sound extremely slanted and inaccurate. We get it, there are first generation top students who are not admitted to schools that they "should" be - the whole point is, there are only a certain number of seats, and that will never change. Period. Again, change your focus to other schools - it will only help your family.

I understand that after a certain threshold it's a lottery, but the Harvard case shows that they use discriminatory practices, much as they did back when they discriminated against Jews by using the same tactic.

Do you think black people would be upset if they were given "high likelihood of committing a crime" on their application, especially since the AO never met them?

Right, if it was a true lottery then black admits wouldn't have SAT scores 400 points lower than asian admits 🤣 . These posters are too dumb to even comprehend the statistical meaning of a lottery process

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Test scores alone are not highly indicative of a successful future college student. It makes no sense to force a college to admit students based on this criteria. I don’t know why we put so much weight upon them. All they really do is generically show relative strengths and weaknesses among high schools.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/02/19/study-finds-little-difference-academic-success-students-who-do-and-dont-submit-sat#:~:text=The%20study%20confirms%20that%20high,who%20will%20succeed%20in%20college.%22

I keep seeing this claim made but there are decades of research studies on this topic and many show that SAT scores are a very strong predictor of not only college grades but future career success as well.

+1 which is why MIT went back to requiring SAT scores.

And CalTech didn’t. So what.

caltech is extremely not diverse, and they are trying to make it diverse, which is why they got rid of SAT scores. They knew if they kept SAT scores, the schools would continue to be not diverse. MIT is more diverse than Caltech. It could be due to location -- CA has more Asians than MA, and CA of course is huge.

Also, Caltech is minuscule compared to MIT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, Asian communities pride themselves on being homogenous. The U.S. does not. The U.S. will never have one ethnicity in their schools.

I think you're confused. Asian communities aren't out to make all the schools Asian. They just don't want to be discriminated against. I think black people would know how that feels, right?

You keep saying this - and it has different meaning. Black people have a very different history in the U.S. It is not an appropriate argument.

Not all Asian people who apply can be admitted to top U.S. schools. You need to change your focus. There are literally THOUSANDS of colleges and universities in the U.S. Not all top white students are admitted to them. It is a lottery, pure and simple. The sooner you understand this, the better off your children will be. Just because you make your children prep all their lives for a certain university, and think you are doing all the right things, does not grant admission to that university. White people have had to learn this, also.

When my parents immigrated, if they were told by their community that they need to do this prep and that prep, and they will be admitted to Harvard, my parents would have done so, too. However, my parents would have also had a plan B (and C and D and so on), because they were truly intelligent.

There are smart white people, too - not just Asians are top notch. Your posts sound extremely slanted and inaccurate. We get it, there are first generation top students who are not admitted to schools that they "should" be - the whole point is, there are only a certain number of seats, and that will never change. Period. Again, change your focus to other schools - it will only help your family.

I understand that after a certain threshold it's a lottery, but the Harvard case shows that they use discriminatory practices, much as they did back when they discriminated against Jews by using the same tactic.

Do you think black people would be upset if they were given "high likelihood of committing a crime" on their application, especially since the AO never met them?

Right, if it was a true lottery then black admits wouldn't have SAT scores 400 points lower than asian admits 🤣 . These posters are too dumb to even comprehend the statistical meaning of a lottery process

400 points is actually not insignificant.

Also, you didn't answer my question: Do you think black people would be upset if they were given "high likelihood of committing a crime" on their application, especially since the AO never met them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because Harvard should fill its entire class with Asian Stem majors? Srlsy?

Yes, of course.

That would be very beneficial to the country.

To China or the U.S.?

I'm for minimizing international students.

I was assuming Asian Americans, so the U.S.

+1.

Why would the U.S. (or any country) only want one ethnicity in their colleges/universities? So what if you prep exceptionally well? Maybe U.S. colleges and universities want students who are not prepped with tutors, etc. - and that is perfectly fine.

Does NBA only want only one race?
How do you know one is prepped or not??
Also, you are supposed to prepare for all sorts of test, exams, midterms, finals, etc. etc.
If you don't, you are irresponsible and lazy. WTF

Analogizing the NBA to colleges is a common talking point I see. It’s surprising that intelligent, educated people do not appear to comprehend the weakness of this comparison.

Can you elaborate?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, Asian communities pride themselves on being homogenous. The U.S. does not. The U.S. will never have one ethnicity in their schools.

I think you're confused. Asian communities aren't out to make all the schools Asian. They just don't want to be discriminated against. I think black people would know how that feels, right?

You keep saying this - and it has different meaning. Black people have a very different history in the U.S. It is not an appropriate argument.

Not all Asian people who apply can be admitted to top U.S. schools. You need to change your focus. There are literally THOUSANDS of colleges and universities in the U.S. Not all top white students are admitted to them. It is a lottery, pure and simple. The sooner you understand this, the better off your children will be. Just because you make your children prep all their lives for a certain university, and think you are doing all the right things, does not grant admission to that university. White people have had to learn this, also.

When my parents immigrated, if they were told by their community that they need to do this prep and that prep, and they will be admitted to Harvard, my parents would have done so, too. However, my parents would have also had a plan B (and C and D and so on), because they were truly intelligent.

There are smart white people, too - not just Asians are top notch. Your posts sound extremely slanted and inaccurate. We get it, there are first generation top students who are not admitted to schools that they "should" be - the whole point is, there are only a certain number of seats, and that will never change. Period. Again, change your focus to other schools - it will only help your family.

I understand that after a certain threshold it's a lottery, but the Harvard case shows that they use discriminatory practices, much as they did back when they discriminated against Jews by using the same tactic.

Do you think black people would be upset if they were given "high likelihood of committing a crime" on their application, especially since the AO never met them?

Right, if it was a true lottery then black admits wouldn't have SAT scores 400 points lower than asian admits 🤣 . These posters are too dumb to even comprehend the statistical meaning of a lottery process

400 points is actually not insignificant.

Also, you didn't answer my question: Do you think black people would be upset if they were given "high likelihood of committing a crime" on their application, especially since the AO never met them?

You didn't ask that question to me so I'm not sure why I would answer it. My
Position is that black people are given a MAJOR leg up in admissions, as shown by the now public Harvard admissions data

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Test scores alone are not highly indicative of a successful future college student. It makes no sense to force a college to admit students based on this criteria. I don’t know why we put so much weight upon them. All they really do is generically show relative strengths and weaknesses among high schools.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/02/19/study-finds-little-difference-academic-success-students-who-do-and-dont-submit-sat#:~:text=The%20study%20confirms%20that%20high,who%20will%20succeed%20in%20college.%22

I keep seeing this claim made but there are decades of research studies on this topic and many show that SAT scores are a very strong predictor of not only college grades but future career success as well.

+1 which is why MIT went back to requiring SAT scores.

And CalTech didn’t. So what.

+1

SAT and testing scores will be a thing of the past soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The SAT and GPAs are just small pieces of info.

I have been to quite a few graduations comping from a large family and have a few kids. I say only 2-3 kids every impressed me. And GPA and SATs scores are meaningless. They are just numbers on a piece of paper.

My favorite kids my oldest daughters high school valedictorian who did not dress up, wrote a speech not did his parents attend who said graduating HS not a big deal does not even know why we do these graduation things. Then added a GPA is just a number. We all have numbers my number is not more important than the lowest GPA or any of your GPAs we are all graduating today so who cares. He then said well that’s it.

I asked daughter what up? That white dude in jeans and shaggy hair is really that smart?

She said he never once brought a book home or studied once and skips class or goofs off. He was in get robotics class. First day professor gave semester long robotic assigned to build a robot. He built one out of stuff he found in class room while he was talking. He got A.

He also was an advisor to a Nobel prize winner. Literally Nobel prize winners came to his house for help on projects. Kids parents were blue collar. He got a full ride to Harvard.

My second favorite was Valedictorian on my oldest sisters college. He has a 4.0 volunteered 40 hours a week plus worked full time 40 hours a week. Do the math that is crazy.

My older sister well she got a masters degree at 21, perfect 4.0 GPA and published a scientific text book still in use. All be 21.

The kid does not realize people out there are just more impressive

More details on the Nobel prize winner(s) who showed up at a high school student's house asking for help. Thanks!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because Harvard should fill its entire class with Asian Stem majors? Srlsy?

Yes, of course.

That would be very beneficial to the country.

To China or the U.S.?

I'm for minimizing international students.

I was assuming Asian Americans, so the U.S.

+1.

Why would the U.S. (or any country) only want one ethnicity in their colleges/universities? So what if you prep exceptionally well? Maybe U.S. colleges and universities want students who are not prepped with tutors, etc. - and that is perfectly fine.

Does NBA only want only one race?
How do you know one is prepped or not??
Also, you are supposed to prepare for all sorts of test, exams, midterms, finals, etc. etc.
If you don't, you are irresponsible and lazy. WTF

Analogizing the NBA to colleges is a common talking point I see. It’s surprising that intelligent, educated people do not appear to comprehend the weakness of this comparison.

Can you elaborate?

Also, there are far fewer blacks applying to college, so more are proportionally accepted. Not so with Asians.

In addition, you have to be able to make a proper analysis to do well in college.