Anonymous wrote:Did Reese really flunk out of UMD? How is that possible? I get how it's possible at an Ivy, Notre Dame or Stanford, as those elite colleges have basically zero remedial courses. But the average public university has dozens of remedial courses you can hide out in. You'd have to basically literally never go to class and never submit any assignments to flunk as a full scholarship student athlete?
Anonymous wrote:The Iowa gal is cute, with pretty long hair, and quirky facial expressions. And obviously she was the most valuable player in the NCAA this season. There is no doubt in my mind the LSU women and referees were obsessively jealous and envious of her attractiveness and fame. Bad look for the sport.
Anonymous wrote:So Jill Biden has suggested that the White House should invite both the LSU and Iowa teams to the White House to celebrate their accomplishments and Angel Reese responded by Tweeting that it was "A JOKE" with emojis mocking Biden's suggestion.
I'm sorry that she's embarrassing the hell out of y'all when you ought to be congratulating her, and that you still feel obligated to defend her, but this girl is just flat-out trash with zero class.
WTF? Why would both teams be invited? Do they invite both men’s teams after their championship? Both Super Bowl teams? Both World Series teams? NO THEY DON’T.
She’s right, it is a joke. LSU is the champ, only they should be invited. This isn’t the flex Jill Biden thinks it is. Every body doesn’t need a participation trophy. Iowa didn’t win, they stay home.
It is absolutely ridiculous to even suggest both teams.
Without Clark and the interest the Iowa team generated about 1/3 the number of viewers would have watched this final.
Of course Iowa would turn down the invitation and not give the low-class LSU team another opportunity to mug and pout and generally make asses of themselves. No one needed Reese to weigh on yet again, but that stupid clown of course has no filter, whether before, during, or after the game.
The rest of the world sees in Reese a young woman clearly and correctly pointing out double standards and representing the majority of players and real fans. Funny how she lives in your head rent free. Stay mad.
Hardly. Her reputation already sucked but now she’s tarnished her team’s victory as well. DCUM predictably makes excuses but she’s been widely ridiculed and condemned in sports circles.
+1
Reese is getting absolutely slaughtered everywhere except DCUM. Did she also not shake hands? Maybe some racists were spreading that rumor around.
No she isn't. A ton of prominent athletes have come out in support of her. You can keep your Keith Olberman and Dave Portnoy
Dave Portnoy far better reflects the views of sports fans across the country than DCUM ninnies. Y’all can defend Reese but you won’t actually pay money to watch her play in the future because she brings nothing new to the game.
No he doesn't. A TON of athletes have come out in support of her saying trash talk is just part of the game and if you dish it out, you need to be able to take it. Even Sue Bird and Diana Taurasi said it on their live broadcast. A bunch of real sports fans are actually bewildered that the media is making such a huge deal out of this. Real ballers are used to trash talk. If they want to clap back at Angel beat her and shut her up next time.
If this is the case, then why did Reesie make such a big deal out of Clark’s conduct toward someone on another team? Isn’t that just typical in game trash talk? Why can’t Clark do it too then? Because white girls are not allowed to do such a thing against a black player? Actually this was just Reese showing her own racism.
This has been addressed in this thread. Angel was making a bigger point about the differential treatment. Monica Cziznano on Iowa can throw her elbows and shoulders around and she's playing hard, but when LSU and SC play tough defense it's a "bar fight" or they're "thugs" or "hood rats". Caitlin and Hailey always gets the benefit of the doubt for their trash talk, flopping and other antics, yet Angel and players from similar backgrounds are pilloried.
She is making a point about the benefit of the doubt and outsized attention given to Caitlin Clark, Paige Bueckers, Hailey Van Lith, Cameron Brink, the Cavinder Twins etc. Similarly excellent black players do not get the same media spotlight, attention and hype.
To you that waive Caitlin did to Raven Johnson was a cute little thing or even "savage!". To the SEC girls, it was symbolic of how they have been similarly and repeatedly dismissed, ignored, overlooked and undervalued throughout their entire basketball careers. What was the refrain they kept repeating? Put some respect on my name! They were all giving Caitlin her due as a great player, and they just want it for themselves too.
I bet you didn't blink twice when Maria Sharapova outlearned Serena Williams in endorsements for much of their careers despite Williams' absolute dominance in that "rivalry".
Like she said, it was bigger than her.
Overlooked how? They are privileged to play Division 1 basketball and get full ride tuition. Give me a break. Since when have black women been “dismissed, overlooked, and ignored” in college basketball? Black people are always victims you know.
Translation: be happy with the little crumbs we're throwing you, little girl.
It's been clear that you don't follow and are not familiar with women's basketball. You just have your little agenda.
Oh shut up. Since when are all of these outstanding opportunities that thousands of girls would kill for, on addition to lucrative NIL contracts, “little crumbs?”
Know your place, Angel!
Angel gets a scholarship and NIL money for throwing a ball in a hoop. What do you want to do, give her a Senate seat?
DP. And all these people upthread going on about her social media presence and talk of endorsements. You can't have it both ways. She is using her notoriety to make money. Tale as old as time and not limited to any one race. Give us a break.
She had to create her notoriety through something that goes beyond her basketball excellence. It was just assumed or handed to her or bolstered through outsized media attention that others always seem to get. You think they'll be throwing Aneesah Morrow a ton of NIL deals? You ever even heard of her?
Yet the Cavinder twins are plastered everywhere.
"This is for all the girls that look like me"
So sick of the “look like me” trope. If other groups say that, they are branded as racists.
Does this make you sick too?
Thanks to that accessibility, Clark has become one of the most recognizable faces in women's basketball over the last three years. To her, it's awesome to know that there are millions of little girls around the country who look to her to see what they have the potential to become.
“I’m all about growing the women’s game,” Clark said after toppling Indiana in the regular season finale last month, “and I’m glad I’ve given something that little girls can scream about at the top of their lungs. I can imagine when I was younger, I was doing the exact same thing watching on TV. It’s pretty fun.”
So now white girls aren’t allowed to be the face of anything?
Either you hate the “look at me” trope for both girls, or you like it or both girls. If you like it for one girl, but not the other, can you explain that?
Chasing someone around the court after winning the championship is not what Clark did, so no, they are not the same thing. Trying to say they are the same thing says a lot about you, and it is not good.
Did Reese also refuse to shake hands?
You're changing your tune. First you had a problem with the "look like me" trope when Angel said it, but for Caitlin it's not a problem.
Caitlin is a champion and inspiration for little girls to look up to, but screw those little girls that look like Angel.
We see you...
You're making up your own facts to support your agenda. Maybe critical thinking isn't you're thing.
How about you give reading the thread a try, genius.
How about you answer the question are you OK with Caitlin Clark saying that she was playing for girls look like her?
I'm not the one that originally asserted that I was sick of the "look like me" trope. Maybe ask that PP.
You can still answer the question
I personally don't see a problem with her wanting to inspire little girls from Iowa to make it to the big stage. She works hard and is dedicated to her craft and that, at least, is to be commended.
And Reese saying “This is for all the girls that look like me”?
Totally fine. A lot of the girls to which Angel is referring grow up in precarious circumstances and basketball can be a good outlet for them and one way to affirm their value in a world that often does not. Beyond that, they have visible images of athletic excellence to which they can aspire.
Hmm
The median income for where Caitlin Clark is from 20% lower than the median income of where Angel Reese is from.
I think you're trying to make a point, but not sure what it is...
I think you should switch the names in your responses to be more accurate.
Totally fine. A lot of the girls to which Clark is referring grow up in precarious circumstances and basketball can be a good outlet for them and one way to affirm their value in a world that often does not. Beyond that, they have visible images of athletic excellence to which they can aspire
personally don't see a problem with Reese wanting to inspire little girls from Maryland to make it to the big stage. She works hard and is dedicated to her craft and that, at least, is to be commended.
You don’t see the point?
Well, no. Because Clark has specifically made reference to girls from Iowa and being an Iowa girl is a huge part of her brand and identity, not having left the state to attend one of the more popular programs elsewhere in the country or not even Notre Dame, which is in her region, but is a nationally storied program.
Angel has talked about girls that look like her (i.e. black girls deemed "ghetto" and uncouth from lower income communities around the country). Raven Johnson, Tamari Key, Flau'jae are girls that "look like her", and they ain't from Maryland. Moreover, Angel talks about growing up playing ball in Baltimore, not "Maryland". Why are you lumping in Potomac and Bethesda to try to make some weird point about median income.
So no, I don't see your point.
Of course you don’t.
Nor does the media, which is the problem.
Im talking about the median income of Randallstown md vs Des Moines, Iowa. Why would assume I was including Bethesda? Hmmmmmm.
Her private school in Baltimore she traveled to? You act like she was running through the cut and playing ball in the Eastside/Westside basketball game.
She lives in the suburbs.
You are reaching HARD looking for a point that just isn't there and nitpicking because you didn't get the answers you hoped for lol.
Also, btw Caitlin was raised in WEST Des Moines, Iowa, a very low COL state. Stop tryin to make her out to be some kid from a farm.
Do you have anything to say about the manner of speech, manner of comportment and manner of fashion and dress for the girls that "look like Angel"? All those girls across the country are identifying with her right now, while you research census data to try to make a lame point .
I’m not looking to make a point, you did it with your very biased answer about each girl.
I love the way Angel looks, speaks, acts, carries herself.
Just like I like Caitlin even when she got technical fouls for her behavior.
I’m not the one putting one and a pedestal, and the other in the gutter.
Why do you have something to say about her manner of speech and fashion?
Anonymous wrote:So Jill Biden has suggested that the White House should invite both the LSU and Iowa teams to the White House to celebrate their accomplishments and Angel Reese responded by Tweeting that it was "A JOKE" with emojis mocking Biden's suggestion.
I'm sorry that she's embarrassing the hell out of y'all when you ought to be congratulating her, and that you still feel obligated to defend her, but this girl is just flat-out trash with zero class.
WTF? Why would both teams be invited? Do they invite both men’s teams after their championship? Both Super Bowl teams? Both World Series teams? NO THEY DON’T.
She’s right, it is a joke. LSU is the champ, only they should be invited. This isn’t the flex Jill Biden thinks it is. Every body doesn’t need a participation trophy. Iowa didn’t win, they stay home.
It is absolutely ridiculous to even suggest both teams.
Without Clark and the interest the Iowa team generated about 1/3 the number of viewers would have watched this final.
Of course Iowa would turn down the invitation and not give the low-class LSU team another opportunity to mug and pout and generally make asses of themselves. No one needed Reese to weigh on yet again, but that stupid clown of course has no filter, whether before, during, or after the game.
The rest of the world sees in Reese a young woman clearly and correctly pointing out double standards and representing the majority of players and real fans. Funny how she lives in your head rent free. Stay mad.
Hardly. Her reputation already sucked but now she’s tarnished her team’s victory as well. DCUM predictably makes excuses but she’s been widely ridiculed and condemned in sports circles.
+1
Reese is getting absolutely slaughtered everywhere except DCUM. Did she also not shake hands? Maybe some racists were spreading that rumor around.
No she isn't. A ton of prominent athletes have come out in support of her. You can keep your Keith Olberman and Dave Portnoy
Dave Portnoy far better reflects the views of sports fans across the country than DCUM ninnies. Y’all can defend Reese but you won’t actually pay money to watch her play in the future because she brings nothing new to the game.
No he doesn't. A TON of athletes have come out in support of her saying trash talk is just part of the game and if you dish it out, you need to be able to take it. Even Sue Bird and Diana Taurasi said it on their live broadcast. A bunch of real sports fans are actually bewildered that the media is making such a huge deal out of this. Real ballers are used to trash talk. If they want to clap back at Angel beat her and shut her up next time.
If this is the case, then why did Reesie make such a big deal out of Clark’s conduct toward someone on another team? Isn’t that just typical in game trash talk? Why can’t Clark do it too then? Because white girls are not allowed to do such a thing against a black player? Actually this was just Reese showing her own racism.
This has been addressed in this thread. Angel was making a bigger point about the differential treatment. Monica Cziznano on Iowa can throw her elbows and shoulders around and she's playing hard, but when LSU and SC play tough defense it's a "bar fight" or they're "thugs" or "hood rats". Caitlin and Hailey always gets the benefit of the doubt for their trash talk, flopping and other antics, yet Angel and players from similar backgrounds are pilloried.
She is making a point about the benefit of the doubt and outsized attention given to Caitlin Clark, Paige Bueckers, Hailey Van Lith, Cameron Brink, the Cavinder Twins etc. Similarly excellent black players do not get the same media spotlight, attention and hype.
To you that waive Caitlin did to Raven Johnson was a cute little thing or even "savage!". To the SEC girls, it was symbolic of how they have been similarly and repeatedly dismissed, ignored, overlooked and undervalued throughout their entire basketball careers. What was the refrain they kept repeating? Put some respect on my name! They were all giving Caitlin her due as a great player, and they just want it for themselves too.
I bet you didn't blink twice when Maria Sharapova outlearned Serena Williams in endorsements for much of their careers despite Williams' absolute dominance in that "rivalry".
Like she said, it was bigger than her.
Overlooked how? They are privileged to play Division 1 basketball and get full ride tuition. Give me a break. Since when have black women been “dismissed, overlooked, and ignored” in college basketball? Black people are always victims you know.
Translation: be happy with the little crumbs we're throwing you, little girl.
It's been clear that you don't follow and are not familiar with women's basketball. You just have your little agenda.
Oh shut up. Since when are all of these outstanding opportunities that thousands of girls would kill for, on addition to lucrative NIL contracts, “little crumbs?”
Know your place, Angel!
Angel gets a scholarship and NIL money for throwing a ball in a hoop. What do you want to do, give her a Senate seat?
DP. And all these people upthread going on about her social media presence and talk of endorsements. You can't have it both ways. She is using her notoriety to make money. Tale as old as time and not limited to any one race. Give us a break.
She had to create her notoriety through something that goes beyond her basketball excellence. It was just assumed or handed to her or bolstered through outsized media attention that others always seem to get. You think they'll be throwing Aneesah Morrow a ton of NIL deals? You ever even heard of her?
Yet the Cavinder twins are plastered everywhere.
"This is for all the girls that look like me"
So sick of the “look like me” trope. If other groups say that, they are branded as racists.
Does this make you sick too?
Thanks to that accessibility, Clark has become one of the most recognizable faces in women's basketball over the last three years. To her, it's awesome to know that there are millions of little girls around the country who look to her to see what they have the potential to become.
“I’m all about growing the women’s game,” Clark said after toppling Indiana in the regular season finale last month, “and I’m glad I’ve given something that little girls can scream about at the top of their lungs. I can imagine when I was younger, I was doing the exact same thing watching on TV. It’s pretty fun.”
So now white girls aren’t allowed to be the face of anything?
Either you hate the “look at me” trope for both girls, or you like it or both girls. If you like it for one girl, but not the other, can you explain that?
Chasing someone around the court after winning the championship is not what Clark did, so no, they are not the same thing. Trying to say they are the same thing says a lot about you, and it is not good.
Did Reese also refuse to shake hands?
You're changing your tune. First you had a problem with the "look like me" trope when Angel said it, but for Caitlin it's not a problem.
Caitlin is a champion and inspiration for little girls to look up to, but screw those little girls that look like Angel.
We see you...
You're making up your own facts to support your agenda. Maybe critical thinking isn't you're thing.
How about you give reading the thread a try, genius.
How about you answer the question are you OK with Caitlin Clark saying that she was playing for girls look like her?
I'm not the one that originally asserted that I was sick of the "look like me" trope. Maybe ask that PP.
You can still answer the question
I personally don't see a problem with her wanting to inspire little girls from Iowa to make it to the big stage. She works hard and is dedicated to her craft and that, at least, is to be commended.
And Reese saying “This is for all the girls that look like me”?
Totally fine. A lot of the girls to which Angel is referring grow up in precarious circumstances and basketball can be a good outlet for them and one way to affirm their value in a world that often does not. Beyond that, they have visible images of athletic excellence to which they can aspire.
Hmm
The median income for where Caitlin Clark is from 20% lower than the median income of where Angel Reese is from.
I think you're trying to make a point, but not sure what it is...
I think you should switch the names in your responses to be more accurate.
Totally fine. A lot of the girls to which Clark is referring grow up in precarious circumstances and basketball can be a good outlet for them and one way to affirm their value in a world that often does not. Beyond that, they have visible images of athletic excellence to which they can aspire
personally don't see a problem with Reese wanting to inspire little girls from Maryland to make it to the big stage. She works hard and is dedicated to her craft and that, at least, is to be commended.
You don’t see the point?
Well, no. Because Clark has specifically made reference to girls from Iowa and being an Iowa girl is a huge part of her brand and identity, not having left the state to attend one of the more popular programs elsewhere in the country or not even Notre Dame, which is in her region, but is a nationally storied program.
Angel has talked about girls that look like her (i.e. black girls deemed "ghetto" and uncouth from lower income communities around the country). Raven Johnson, Tamari Key, Flau'jae are girls that "look like her", and they ain't from Maryland. Moreover, Angel talks about growing up playing ball in Baltimore, not "Maryland". Why are you lumping in Potomac and Bethesda to try to make some weird point about median income.
So no, I don't see your point.
Of course you don’t.
Nor does the media, which is the problem.
Im talking about the median income of Randallstown md vs Des Moines, Iowa. Why would assume I was including Bethesda? Hmmmmmm.
Her private school in Baltimore she traveled to? You act like she was running through the cut and playing ball in the Eastside/Westside basketball game.
She lives in the suburbs.
You are reaching HARD looking for a point that just isn't there and nitpicking because you didn't get the answers you hoped for lol.
Also, btw Caitlin was raised in WEST Des Moines, Iowa, a very low COL state. Stop tryin to make her out to be some kid from a farm.
Do you have anything to say about the manner of speech, manner of comportment and manner of fashion and dress for the girls that "look like Angel"? All those girls across the country are identifying with her right now, while you research census data to try to make a lame point .
I’m not looking to make a point, you did it with your very biased answer about each girl.
I love the way Angel looks, speaks, acts, carries herself.
Just like I like Caitlin even when she got technical fouls for her behavior.
I’m not the one putting one and a pedestal, and the other in the gutter.
Why do you have something to say about her manner of speech and fashion?
What about Caitlin speech and fashion?
It was pretty much the same answer for each girl about uplifting little girls and you went looking for bias. You were desperate to find bias. You were going to find bias come hell or high water.
Who has put Caitlin in a gutter? She has been almost universally praised and her displays of poor sportsmanship have been overlooked her whole career.
Stop making a fool of yourself. Get back to me when many people around the country are calling Caitlin ghetto, thug, bar fighter, hood, bit*h and worse or making fun of her hair or eye lashes just for being herself or competing hard.
Anonymous wrote:So Jill Biden has suggested that the White House should invite both the LSU and Iowa teams to the White House to celebrate their accomplishments and Angel Reese responded by Tweeting that it was "A JOKE" with emojis mocking Biden's suggestion.
I'm sorry that she's embarrassing the hell out of y'all when you ought to be congratulating her, and that you still feel obligated to defend her, but this girl is just flat-out trash with zero class.
WTF? Why would both teams be invited? Do they invite both men’s teams after their championship? Both Super Bowl teams? Both World Series teams? NO THEY DON’T.
She’s right, it is a joke. LSU is the champ, only they should be invited. This isn’t the flex Jill Biden thinks it is. Every body doesn’t need a participation trophy. Iowa didn’t win, they stay home.
It is absolutely ridiculous to even suggest both teams.
Without Clark and the interest the Iowa team generated about 1/3 the number of viewers would have watched this final.
Of course Iowa would turn down the invitation and not give the low-class LSU team another opportunity to mug and pout and generally make asses of themselves. No one needed Reese to weigh on yet again, but that stupid clown of course has no filter, whether before, during, or after the game.
The rest of the world sees in Reese a young woman clearly and correctly pointing out double standards and representing the majority of players and real fans. Funny how she lives in your head rent free. Stay mad.
Hardly. Her reputation already sucked but now she’s tarnished her team’s victory as well. DCUM predictably makes excuses but she’s been widely ridiculed and condemned in sports circles.
+1
Reese is getting absolutely slaughtered everywhere except DCUM. Did she also not shake hands? Maybe some racists were spreading that rumor around.
No she isn't. A ton of prominent athletes have come out in support of her. You can keep your Keith Olberman and Dave Portnoy
Dave Portnoy far better reflects the views of sports fans across the country than DCUM ninnies. Y’all can defend Reese but you won’t actually pay money to watch her play in the future because she brings nothing new to the game.
No he doesn't. A TON of athletes have come out in support of her saying trash talk is just part of the game and if you dish it out, you need to be able to take it. Even Sue Bird and Diana Taurasi said it on their live broadcast. A bunch of real sports fans are actually bewildered that the media is making such a huge deal out of this. Real ballers are used to trash talk. If they want to clap back at Angel beat her and shut her up next time.
If this is the case, then why did Reesie make such a big deal out of Clark’s conduct toward someone on another team? Isn’t that just typical in game trash talk? Why can’t Clark do it too then? Because white girls are not allowed to do such a thing against a black player? Actually this was just Reese showing her own racism.
This has been addressed in this thread. Angel was making a bigger point about the differential treatment. Monica Cziznano on Iowa can throw her elbows and shoulders around and she's playing hard, but when LSU and SC play tough defense it's a "bar fight" or they're "thugs" or "hood rats". Caitlin and Hailey always gets the benefit of the doubt for their trash talk, flopping and other antics, yet Angel and players from similar backgrounds are pilloried.
She is making a point about the benefit of the doubt and outsized attention given to Caitlin Clark, Paige Bueckers, Hailey Van Lith, Cameron Brink, the Cavinder Twins etc. Similarly excellent black players do not get the same media spotlight, attention and hype.
To you that waive Caitlin did to Raven Johnson was a cute little thing or even "savage!". To the SEC girls, it was symbolic of how they have been similarly and repeatedly dismissed, ignored, overlooked and undervalued throughout their entire basketball careers. What was the refrain they kept repeating? Put some respect on my name! They were all giving Caitlin her due as a great player, and they just want it for themselves too.
I bet you didn't blink twice when Maria Sharapova outlearned Serena Williams in endorsements for much of their careers despite Williams' absolute dominance in that "rivalry".
Like she said, it was bigger than her.
Overlooked how? They are privileged to play Division 1 basketball and get full ride tuition. Give me a break. Since when have black women been “dismissed, overlooked, and ignored” in college basketball? Black people are always victims you know.
Translation: be happy with the little crumbs we're throwing you, little girl.
It's been clear that you don't follow and are not familiar with women's basketball. You just have your little agenda.
Oh shut up. Since when are all of these outstanding opportunities that thousands of girls would kill for, on addition to lucrative NIL contracts, “little crumbs?”
Know your place, Angel!
Angel gets a scholarship and NIL money for throwing a ball in a hoop. What do you want to do, give her a Senate seat?
DP. And all these people upthread going on about her social media presence and talk of endorsements. You can't have it both ways. She is using her notoriety to make money. Tale as old as time and not limited to any one race. Give us a break.
She had to create her notoriety through something that goes beyond her basketball excellence. It was just assumed or handed to her or bolstered through outsized media attention that others always seem to get. You think they'll be throwing Aneesah Morrow a ton of NIL deals? You ever even heard of her?
Yet the Cavinder twins are plastered everywhere.
"This is for all the girls that look like me"
So sick of the “look like me” trope. If other groups say that, they are branded as racists.
Does this make you sick too?
Thanks to that accessibility, Clark has become one of the most recognizable faces in women's basketball over the last three years. To her, it's awesome to know that there are millions of little girls around the country who look to her to see what they have the potential to become.
“I’m all about growing the women’s game,” Clark said after toppling Indiana in the regular season finale last month, “and I’m glad I’ve given something that little girls can scream about at the top of their lungs. I can imagine when I was younger, I was doing the exact same thing watching on TV. It’s pretty fun.”
So now white girls aren’t allowed to be the face of anything?
Either you hate the “look at me” trope for both girls, or you like it or both girls. If you like it for one girl, but not the other, can you explain that?
Chasing someone around the court after winning the championship is not what Clark did, so no, they are not the same thing. Trying to say they are the same thing says a lot about you, and it is not good.
Did Reese also refuse to shake hands?
You're changing your tune. First you had a problem with the "look like me" trope when Angel said it, but for Caitlin it's not a problem.
Caitlin is a champion and inspiration for little girls to look up to, but screw those little girls that look like Angel.
We see you...
You're making up your own facts to support your agenda. Maybe critical thinking isn't you're thing.
How about you give reading the thread a try, genius.
How about you answer the question are you OK with Caitlin Clark saying that she was playing for girls look like her?
I'm not the one that originally asserted that I was sick of the "look like me" trope. Maybe ask that PP.
You can still answer the question
I personally don't see a problem with her wanting to inspire little girls from Iowa to make it to the big stage. She works hard and is dedicated to her craft and that, at least, is to be commended.
And Reese saying “This is for all the girls that look like me”?
Totally fine. A lot of the girls to which Angel is referring grow up in precarious circumstances and basketball can be a good outlet for them and one way to affirm their value in a world that often does not. Beyond that, they have visible images of athletic excellence to which they can aspire.
Hmm
The median income for where Caitlin Clark is from 20% lower than the median income of where Angel Reese is from.
I think you're trying to make a point, but not sure what it is...
I think you should switch the names in your responses to be more accurate.
Totally fine. A lot of the girls to which Clark is referring grow up in precarious circumstances and basketball can be a good outlet for them and one way to affirm their value in a world that often does not. Beyond that, they have visible images of athletic excellence to which they can aspire
personally don't see a problem with Reese wanting to inspire little girls from Maryland to make it to the big stage. She works hard and is dedicated to her craft and that, at least, is to be commended.
You don’t see the point?
Well, no. Because Clark has specifically made reference to girls from Iowa and being an Iowa girl is a huge part of her brand and identity, not having left the state to attend one of the more popular programs elsewhere in the country or not even Notre Dame, which is in her region, but is a nationally storied program.
Angel has talked about girls that look like her (i.e. black girls deemed "ghetto" and uncouth from lower income communities around the country). Raven Johnson, Tamari Key, Flau'jae are girls that "look like her", and they ain't from Maryland. Moreover, Angel talks about growing up playing ball in Baltimore, not "Maryland". Why are you lumping in Potomac and Bethesda to try to make some weird point about median income.
So no, I don't see your point.
Of course you don’t.
Nor does the media, which is the problem.
Im talking about the median income of Randallstown md vs Des Moines, Iowa. Why would assume I was including Bethesda? Hmmmmmm.
Her private school in Baltimore she traveled to? You act like she was running through the cut and playing ball in the Eastside/Westside basketball game.
She lives in the suburbs.
You are reaching HARD looking for a point that just isn't there and nitpicking because you didn't get the answers you hoped for lol.
Also, btw Caitlin was raised in WEST Des Moines, Iowa, a very low COL state. Stop tryin to make her out to be some kid from a farm.
Do you have anything to say about the manner of speech, manner of comportment and manner of fashion and dress for the girls that "look like Angel"? All those girls across the country are identifying with her right now, while you research census data to try to make a lame point .
I’m not looking to make a point, you did it with your very biased answer about each girl.
I love the way Angel looks, speaks, acts, carries herself.
Just like I like Caitlin even when she got technical fouls for her behavior.
I’m not the one putting one and a pedestal, and the other in the gutter.
Why do you have something to say about her manner of speech and fashion?
What about Caitlin speech and fashion?
It was pretty much the same answer for each girl about uplifting little girls and you went looking for bias. You were desperate to find bias. You were going to find bias come hell or high water.
Who has put Caitlin in a gutter? She has been almost universally praised and her displays of poor sportsmanship have been overlooked her whole career.
Stop making a fool of yourself. Get back to me when many people around the country are calling Caitlin ghetto, thug, bar fighter, hood, bit*h and worse or making fun of her hair or eye lashes just for being herself or competing hard.
There is bias I’m not looking for it.
Stop making a fool of yourself.
Stop making a fool of yourself why do you keep using the word ghetto? I think your reading comprehension skills are a little challenged.
Anonymous wrote:So Jill Biden has suggested that the White House should invite both the LSU and Iowa teams to the White House to celebrate their accomplishments and Angel Reese responded by Tweeting that it was "A JOKE" with emojis mocking Biden's suggestion.
I'm sorry that she's embarrassing the hell out of y'all when you ought to be congratulating her, and that you still feel obligated to defend her, but this girl is just flat-out trash with zero class.
WTF? Why would both teams be invited? Do they invite both men’s teams after their championship? Both Super Bowl teams? Both World Series teams? NO THEY DON’T.
She’s right, it is a joke. LSU is the champ, only they should be invited. This isn’t the flex Jill Biden thinks it is. Every body doesn’t need a participation trophy. Iowa didn’t win, they stay home.
It is absolutely ridiculous to even suggest both teams.
Without Clark and the interest the Iowa team generated about 1/3 the number of viewers would have watched this final.
Of course Iowa would turn down the invitation and not give the low-class LSU team another opportunity to mug and pout and generally make asses of themselves. No one needed Reese to weigh on yet again, but that stupid clown of course has no filter, whether before, during, or after the game.
The rest of the world sees in Reese a young woman clearly and correctly pointing out double standards and representing the majority of players and real fans. Funny how she lives in your head rent free. Stay mad.
Hardly. Her reputation already sucked but now she’s tarnished her team’s victory as well. DCUM predictably makes excuses but she’s been widely ridiculed and condemned in sports circles.
+1
Reese is getting absolutely slaughtered everywhere except DCUM. Did she also not shake hands? Maybe some racists were spreading that rumor around.
No she isn't. A ton of prominent athletes have come out in support of her. You can keep your Keith Olberman and Dave Portnoy
Dave Portnoy far better reflects the views of sports fans across the country than DCUM ninnies. Y’all can defend Reese but you won’t actually pay money to watch her play in the future because she brings nothing new to the game.
No he doesn't. A TON of athletes have come out in support of her saying trash talk is just part of the game and if you dish it out, you need to be able to take it. Even Sue Bird and Diana Taurasi said it on their live broadcast. A bunch of real sports fans are actually bewildered that the media is making such a huge deal out of this. Real ballers are used to trash talk. If they want to clap back at Angel beat her and shut her up next time.
If this is the case, then why did Reesie make such a big deal out of Clark’s conduct toward someone on another team? Isn’t that just typical in game trash talk? Why can’t Clark do it too then? Because white girls are not allowed to do such a thing against a black player? Actually this was just Reese showing her own racism.
This has been addressed in this thread. Angel was making a bigger point about the differential treatment. Monica Cziznano on Iowa can throw her elbows and shoulders around and she's playing hard, but when LSU and SC play tough defense it's a "bar fight" or they're "thugs" or "hood rats". Caitlin and Hailey always gets the benefit of the doubt for their trash talk, flopping and other antics, yet Angel and players from similar backgrounds are pilloried.
She is making a point about the benefit of the doubt and outsized attention given to Caitlin Clark, Paige Bueckers, Hailey Van Lith, Cameron Brink, the Cavinder Twins etc. Similarly excellent black players do not get the same media spotlight, attention and hype.
To you that waive Caitlin did to Raven Johnson was a cute little thing or even "savage!". To the SEC girls, it was symbolic of how they have been similarly and repeatedly dismissed, ignored, overlooked and undervalued throughout their entire basketball careers. What was the refrain they kept repeating? Put some respect on my name! They were all giving Caitlin her due as a great player, and they just want it for themselves too.
I bet you didn't blink twice when Maria Sharapova outlearned Serena Williams in endorsements for much of their careers despite Williams' absolute dominance in that "rivalry".
Like she said, it was bigger than her.
Overlooked how? They are privileged to play Division 1 basketball and get full ride tuition. Give me a break. Since when have black women been “dismissed, overlooked, and ignored” in college basketball? Black people are always victims you know.
Translation: be happy with the little crumbs we're throwing you, little girl.
It's been clear that you don't follow and are not familiar with women's basketball. You just have your little agenda.
Oh shut up. Since when are all of these outstanding opportunities that thousands of girls would kill for, on addition to lucrative NIL contracts, “little crumbs?”
Know your place, Angel!
Angel gets a scholarship and NIL money for throwing a ball in a hoop. What do you want to do, give her a Senate seat?
DP. And all these people upthread going on about her social media presence and talk of endorsements. You can't have it both ways. She is using her notoriety to make money. Tale as old as time and not limited to any one race. Give us a break.
She had to create her notoriety through something that goes beyond her basketball excellence. It was just assumed or handed to her or bolstered through outsized media attention that others always seem to get. You think they'll be throwing Aneesah Morrow a ton of NIL deals? You ever even heard of her?
Yet the Cavinder twins are plastered everywhere.
"This is for all the girls that look like me"
So sick of the “look like me” trope. If other groups say that, they are branded as racists.
Does this make you sick too?
Thanks to that accessibility, Clark has become one of the most recognizable faces in women's basketball over the last three years. To her, it's awesome to know that there are millions of little girls around the country who look to her to see what they have the potential to become.
“I’m all about growing the women’s game,” Clark said after toppling Indiana in the regular season finale last month, “and I’m glad I’ve given something that little girls can scream about at the top of their lungs. I can imagine when I was younger, I was doing the exact same thing watching on TV. It’s pretty fun.”
So now white girls aren’t allowed to be the face of anything?
Either you hate the “look at me” trope for both girls, or you like it or both girls. If you like it for one girl, but not the other, can you explain that?
Chasing someone around the court after winning the championship is not what Clark did, so no, they are not the same thing. Trying to say they are the same thing says a lot about you, and it is not good.
Did Reese also refuse to shake hands?
You're changing your tune. First you had a problem with the "look like me" trope when Angel said it, but for Caitlin it's not a problem.
Caitlin is a champion and inspiration for little girls to look up to, but screw those little girls that look like Angel.
We see you...
You're making up your own facts to support your agenda. Maybe critical thinking isn't you're thing.
How about you give reading the thread a try, genius.
How about you answer the question are you OK with Caitlin Clark saying that she was playing for girls look like her?
I'm not the one that originally asserted that I was sick of the "look like me" trope. Maybe ask that PP.
You can still answer the question
I personally don't see a problem with her wanting to inspire little girls from Iowa to make it to the big stage. She works hard and is dedicated to her craft and that, at least, is to be commended.
And Reese saying “This is for all the girls that look like me”?
Totally fine. A lot of the girls to which Angel is referring grow up in precarious circumstances and basketball can be a good outlet for them and one way to affirm their value in a world that often does not. Beyond that, they have visible images of athletic excellence to which they can aspire.
Hmm
The median income for where Caitlin Clark is from 20% lower than the median income of where Angel Reese is from.
I think you're trying to make a point, but not sure what it is...
I think you should switch the names in your responses to be more accurate.
Totally fine. A lot of the girls to which Clark is referring grow up in precarious circumstances and basketball can be a good outlet for them and one way to affirm their value in a world that often does not. Beyond that, they have visible images of athletic excellence to which they can aspire
personally don't see a problem with Reese wanting to inspire little girls from Maryland to make it to the big stage. She works hard and is dedicated to her craft and that, at least, is to be commended.
You don’t see the point?
Well, no. Because Clark has specifically made reference to girls from Iowa and being an Iowa girl is a huge part of her brand and identity, not having left the state to attend one of the more popular programs elsewhere in the country or not even Notre Dame, which is in her region, but is a nationally storied program.
Angel has talked about girls that look like her (i.e. black girls deemed "ghetto" and uncouth from lower income communities around the country). Raven Johnson, Tamari Key, Flau'jae are girls that "look like her", and they ain't from Maryland. Moreover, Angel talks about growing up playing ball in Baltimore, not "Maryland". Why are you lumping in Potomac and Bethesda to try to make some weird point about median income.
So no, I don't see your point.
Of course you don’t.
Nor does the media, which is the problem.
Im talking about the median income of Randallstown md vs Des Moines, Iowa. Why would assume I was including Bethesda? Hmmmmmm.
Her private school in Baltimore she traveled to? You act like she was running through the cut and playing ball in the Eastside/Westside basketball game.
She lives in the suburbs.
You are reaching HARD looking for a point that just isn't there and nitpicking because you didn't get the answers you hoped for lol.
Also, btw Caitlin was raised in WEST Des Moines, Iowa, a very low COL state. Stop tryin to make her out to be some kid from a farm.
Do you have anything to say about the manner of speech, manner of comportment and manner of fashion and dress for the girls that "look like Angel"? All those girls across the country are identifying with her right now, while you research census data to try to make a lame point .
I’m not looking to make a point, you did it with your very biased answer about each girl.
I love the way Angel looks, speaks, acts, carries herself.
Just like I like Caitlin even when she got technical fouls for her behavior.
I’m not the one putting one and a pedestal, and the other in the gutter.
Why do you have something to say about her manner of speech and fashion?
What about Caitlin speech and fashion?
It was pretty much the same answer for each girl about uplifting little girls and you went looking for bias. You were desperate to find bias. You were going to find bias come hell or high water.
Who has put Caitlin in a gutter? She has been almost universally praised and her displays of poor sportsmanship have been overlooked her whole career.
Stop making a fool of yourself. Get back to me when many people around the country are calling Caitlin ghetto, thug, bar fighter, hood, bit*h and worse or making fun of her hair or eye lashes just for being herself or competing hard.
Anonymous wrote:So Jill Biden has suggested that the White House should invite both the LSU and Iowa teams to the White House to celebrate their accomplishments and Angel Reese responded by Tweeting that it was "A JOKE" with emojis mocking Biden's suggestion.
I'm sorry that she's embarrassing the hell out of y'all when you ought to be congratulating her, and that you still feel obligated to defend her, but this girl is just flat-out trash with zero class.
WTF? Why would both teams be invited? Do they invite both men’s teams after their championship? Both Super Bowl teams? Both World Series teams? NO THEY DON’T.
She’s right, it is a joke. LSU is the champ, only they should be invited. This isn’t the flex Jill Biden thinks it is. Every body doesn’t need a participation trophy. Iowa didn’t win, they stay home.
It is absolutely ridiculous to even suggest both teams.
Without Clark and the interest the Iowa team generated about 1/3 the number of viewers would have watched this final.
Of course Iowa would turn down the invitation and not give the low-class LSU team another opportunity to mug and pout and generally make asses of themselves. No one needed Reese to weigh on yet again, but that stupid clown of course has no filter, whether before, during, or after the game.
The rest of the world sees in Reese a young woman clearly and correctly pointing out double standards and representing the majority of players and real fans. Funny how she lives in your head rent free. Stay mad.
Hardly. Her reputation already sucked but now she’s tarnished her team’s victory as well. DCUM predictably makes excuses but she’s been widely ridiculed and condemned in sports circles.
+1
Reese is getting absolutely slaughtered everywhere except DCUM. Did she also not shake hands? Maybe some racists were spreading that rumor around.
No she isn't. A ton of prominent athletes have come out in support of her. You can keep your Keith Olberman and Dave Portnoy
Dave Portnoy far better reflects the views of sports fans across the country than DCUM ninnies. Y’all can defend Reese but you won’t actually pay money to watch her play in the future because she brings nothing new to the game.
No he doesn't. A TON of athletes have come out in support of her saying trash talk is just part of the game and if you dish it out, you need to be able to take it. Even Sue Bird and Diana Taurasi said it on their live broadcast. A bunch of real sports fans are actually bewildered that the media is making such a huge deal out of this. Real ballers are used to trash talk. If they want to clap back at Angel beat her and shut her up next time.
If this is the case, then why did Reesie make such a big deal out of Clark’s conduct toward someone on another team? Isn’t that just typical in game trash talk? Why can’t Clark do it too then? Because white girls are not allowed to do such a thing against a black player? Actually this was just Reese showing her own racism.
This has been addressed in this thread. Angel was making a bigger point about the differential treatment. Monica Cziznano on Iowa can throw her elbows and shoulders around and she's playing hard, but when LSU and SC play tough defense it's a "bar fight" or they're "thugs" or "hood rats". Caitlin and Hailey always gets the benefit of the doubt for their trash talk, flopping and other antics, yet Angel and players from similar backgrounds are pilloried.
She is making a point about the benefit of the doubt and outsized attention given to Caitlin Clark, Paige Bueckers, Hailey Van Lith, Cameron Brink, the Cavinder Twins etc. Similarly excellent black players do not get the same media spotlight, attention and hype.
To you that waive Caitlin did to Raven Johnson was a cute little thing or even "savage!". To the SEC girls, it was symbolic of how they have been similarly and repeatedly dismissed, ignored, overlooked and undervalued throughout their entire basketball careers. What was the refrain they kept repeating? Put some respect on my name! They were all giving Caitlin her due as a great player, and they just want it for themselves too.
I bet you didn't blink twice when Maria Sharapova outlearned Serena Williams in endorsements for much of their careers despite Williams' absolute dominance in that "rivalry".
Like she said, it was bigger than her.
Overlooked how? They are privileged to play Division 1 basketball and get full ride tuition. Give me a break. Since when have black women been “dismissed, overlooked, and ignored” in college basketball? Black people are always victims you know.
Translation: be happy with the little crumbs we're throwing you, little girl.
It's been clear that you don't follow and are not familiar with women's basketball. You just have your little agenda.
Oh shut up. Since when are all of these outstanding opportunities that thousands of girls would kill for, on addition to lucrative NIL contracts, “little crumbs?”
Know your place, Angel!
Angel gets a scholarship and NIL money for throwing a ball in a hoop. What do you want to do, give her a Senate seat?
DP. And all these people upthread going on about her social media presence and talk of endorsements. You can't have it both ways. She is using her notoriety to make money. Tale as old as time and not limited to any one race. Give us a break.
She had to create her notoriety through something that goes beyond her basketball excellence. It was just assumed or handed to her or bolstered through outsized media attention that others always seem to get. You think they'll be throwing Aneesah Morrow a ton of NIL deals? You ever even heard of her?
Yet the Cavinder twins are plastered everywhere.
"This is for all the girls that look like me"
So sick of the “look like me” trope. If other groups say that, they are branded as racists.
Does this make you sick too?
Thanks to that accessibility, Clark has become one of the most recognizable faces in women's basketball over the last three years. To her, it's awesome to know that there are millions of little girls around the country who look to her to see what they have the potential to become.
“I’m all about growing the women’s game,” Clark said after toppling Indiana in the regular season finale last month, “and I’m glad I’ve given something that little girls can scream about at the top of their lungs. I can imagine when I was younger, I was doing the exact same thing watching on TV. It’s pretty fun.”
So now white girls aren’t allowed to be the face of anything?
Either you hate the “look at me” trope for both girls, or you like it or both girls. If you like it for one girl, but not the other, can you explain that?
Chasing someone around the court after winning the championship is not what Clark did, so no, they are not the same thing. Trying to say they are the same thing says a lot about you, and it is not good.
Did Reese also refuse to shake hands?
You're changing your tune. First you had a problem with the "look like me" trope when Angel said it, but for Caitlin it's not a problem.
Caitlin is a champion and inspiration for little girls to look up to, but screw those little girls that look like Angel.
We see you...
You're making up your own facts to support your agenda. Maybe critical thinking isn't you're thing.
How about you give reading the thread a try, genius.
How about you answer the question are you OK with Caitlin Clark saying that she was playing for girls look like her?
I'm not the one that originally asserted that I was sick of the "look like me" trope. Maybe ask that PP.
You can still answer the question
I personally don't see a problem with her wanting to inspire little girls from Iowa to make it to the big stage. She works hard and is dedicated to her craft and that, at least, is to be commended.
And Reese saying “This is for all the girls that look like me”?
Totally fine. A lot of the girls to which Angel is referring grow up in precarious circumstances and basketball can be a good outlet for them and one way to affirm their value in a world that often does not. Beyond that, they have visible images of athletic excellence to which they can aspire.
Hmm
The median income for where Caitlin Clark is from 20% lower than the median income of where Angel Reese is from.
I think you're trying to make a point, but not sure what it is...
I think you should switch the names in your responses to be more accurate.
Totally fine. A lot of the girls to which Clark is referring grow up in precarious circumstances and basketball can be a good outlet for them and one way to affirm their value in a world that often does not. Beyond that, they have visible images of athletic excellence to which they can aspire
personally don't see a problem with Reese wanting to inspire little girls from Maryland to make it to the big stage. She works hard and is dedicated to her craft and that, at least, is to be commended.
You don’t see the point?
Well, no. Because Clark has specifically made reference to girls from Iowa and being an Iowa girl is a huge part of her brand and identity, not having left the state to attend one of the more popular programs elsewhere in the country or not even Notre Dame, which is in her region, but is a nationally storied program.
Angel has talked about girls that look like her (i.e. black girls deemed "ghetto" and uncouth from lower income communities around the country). Raven Johnson, Tamari Key, Flau'jae are girls that "look like her", and they ain't from Maryland. Moreover, Angel talks about growing up playing ball in Baltimore, not "Maryland". Why are you lumping in Potomac and Bethesda to try to make some weird point about median income.
So no, I don't see your point.
Of course you don’t.
Nor does the media, which is the problem.
Im talking about the median income of Randallstown md vs Des Moines, Iowa. Why would assume I was including Bethesda? Hmmmmmm.
Her private school in Baltimore she traveled to? You act like she was running through the cut and playing ball in the Eastside/Westside basketball game.
She lives in the suburbs.
You are reaching HARD looking for a point that just isn't there and nitpicking because you didn't get the answers you hoped for lol.
Also, btw Caitlin was raised in WEST Des Moines, Iowa, a very low COL state. Stop tryin to make her out to be some kid from a farm.
Do you have anything to say about the manner of speech, manner of comportment and manner of fashion and dress for the girls that "look like Angel"? All those girls across the country are identifying with her right now, while you research census data to try to make a lame point .
I’m not looking to make a point, you did it with your very biased answer about each girl.
I love the way Angel looks, speaks, acts, carries herself.
Just like I like Caitlin even when she got technical fouls for her behavior.
I’m not the one putting one and a pedestal, and the other in the gutter.
Why do you have something to say about her manner of speech and fashion?
What about Caitlin speech and fashion?
It was pretty much the same answer for each girl about uplifting little girls and you went looking for bias. You were desperate to find bias. You were going to find bias come hell or high water.
Who has put Caitlin in a gutter? She has been almost universally praised and her displays of poor sportsmanship have been overlooked her whole career.
Stop making a fool of yourself. Get back to me when many people around the country are calling Caitlin ghetto, thug, bar fighter, hood, bit*h and worse or making fun of her hair or eye lashes just for being herself or competing hard.
There is bias I’m not looking for it.
Stop making a fool of yourself.
Stop making a fool of yourself why do you keep using the word ghetto? I think your reading comprehension skills are a little challenged.
Take 30 minutes to collect yourself and come back if and when you have cogent a point.
This discussion made me realize racial demographics have shifted quite a bit in women's basketball over the last couple of decades and there are far more black players in particular. Any idea why that is? Are there differing participation rates in basketball? No judgment intended, I just wasn't sure about the reasoning.
Anonymous wrote:So Jill Biden has suggested that the White House should invite both the LSU and Iowa teams to the White House to celebrate their accomplishments and Angel Reese responded by Tweeting that it was "A JOKE" with emojis mocking Biden's suggestion.
I'm sorry that she's embarrassing the hell out of y'all when you ought to be congratulating her, and that you still feel obligated to defend her, but this girl is just flat-out trash with zero class.
WTF? Why would both teams be invited? Do they invite both men’s teams after their championship? Both Super Bowl teams? Both World Series teams? NO THEY DON’T.
She’s right, it is a joke. LSU is the champ, only they should be invited. This isn’t the flex Jill Biden thinks it is. Every body doesn’t need a participation trophy. Iowa didn’t win, they stay home.
It is absolutely ridiculous to even suggest both teams.
Without Clark and the interest the Iowa team generated about 1/3 the number of viewers would have watched this final.
Of course Iowa would turn down the invitation and not give the low-class LSU team another opportunity to mug and pout and generally make asses of themselves. No one needed Reese to weigh on yet again, but that stupid clown of course has no filter, whether before, during, or after the game.
The rest of the world sees in Reese a young woman clearly and correctly pointing out double standards and representing the majority of players and real fans. Funny how she lives in your head rent free. Stay mad.
Hardly. Her reputation already sucked but now she’s tarnished her team’s victory as well. DCUM predictably makes excuses but she’s been widely ridiculed and condemned in sports circles.
+1
Reese is getting absolutely slaughtered everywhere except DCUM. Did she also not shake hands? Maybe some racists were spreading that rumor around.
No she isn't. A ton of prominent athletes have come out in support of her. You can keep your Keith Olberman and Dave Portnoy
Dave Portnoy far better reflects the views of sports fans across the country than DCUM ninnies. Y’all can defend Reese but you won’t actually pay money to watch her play in the future because she brings nothing new to the game.
No he doesn't. A TON of athletes have come out in support of her saying trash talk is just part of the game and if you dish it out, you need to be able to take it. Even Sue Bird and Diana Taurasi said it on their live broadcast. A bunch of real sports fans are actually bewildered that the media is making such a huge deal out of this. Real ballers are used to trash talk. If they want to clap back at Angel beat her and shut her up next time.
If this is the case, then why did Reesie make such a big deal out of Clark’s conduct toward someone on another team? Isn’t that just typical in game trash talk? Why can’t Clark do it too then? Because white girls are not allowed to do such a thing against a black player? Actually this was just Reese showing her own racism.
This has been addressed in this thread. Angel was making a bigger point about the differential treatment. Monica Cziznano on Iowa can throw her elbows and shoulders around and she's playing hard, but when LSU and SC play tough defense it's a "bar fight" or they're "thugs" or "hood rats". Caitlin and Hailey always gets the benefit of the doubt for their trash talk, flopping and other antics, yet Angel and players from similar backgrounds are pilloried.
She is making a point about the benefit of the doubt and outsized attention given to Caitlin Clark, Paige Bueckers, Hailey Van Lith, Cameron Brink, the Cavinder Twins etc. Similarly excellent black players do not get the same media spotlight, attention and hype.
To you that waive Caitlin did to Raven Johnson was a cute little thing or even "savage!". To the SEC girls, it was symbolic of how they have been similarly and repeatedly dismissed, ignored, overlooked and undervalued throughout their entire basketball careers. What was the refrain they kept repeating? Put some respect on my name! They were all giving Caitlin her due as a great player, and they just want it for themselves too.
I bet you didn't blink twice when Maria Sharapova outlearned Serena Williams in endorsements for much of their careers despite Williams' absolute dominance in that "rivalry".
Like she said, it was bigger than her.
Overlooked how? They are privileged to play Division 1 basketball and get full ride tuition. Give me a break. Since when have black women been “dismissed, overlooked, and ignored” in college basketball? Black people are always victims you know.
Translation: be happy with the little crumbs we're throwing you, little girl.
It's been clear that you don't follow and are not familiar with women's basketball. You just have your little agenda.
Oh shut up. Since when are all of these outstanding opportunities that thousands of girls would kill for, on addition to lucrative NIL contracts, “little crumbs?”
Know your place, Angel!
Angel gets a scholarship and NIL money for throwing a ball in a hoop. What do you want to do, give her a Senate seat?
DP. And all these people upthread going on about her social media presence and talk of endorsements. You can't have it both ways. She is using her notoriety to make money. Tale as old as time and not limited to any one race. Give us a break.
She had to create her notoriety through something that goes beyond her basketball excellence. It was just assumed or handed to her or bolstered through outsized media attention that others always seem to get. You think they'll be throwing Aneesah Morrow a ton of NIL deals? You ever even heard of her?
Yet the Cavinder twins are plastered everywhere.
"This is for all the girls that look like me"
So sick of the “look like me” trope. If other groups say that, they are branded as racists.
Does this make you sick too?
Thanks to that accessibility, Clark has become one of the most recognizable faces in women's basketball over the last three years. To her, it's awesome to know that there are millions of little girls around the country who look to her to see what they have the potential to become.
“I’m all about growing the women’s game,” Clark said after toppling Indiana in the regular season finale last month, “and I’m glad I’ve given something that little girls can scream about at the top of their lungs. I can imagine when I was younger, I was doing the exact same thing watching on TV. It’s pretty fun.”
So now white girls aren’t allowed to be the face of anything?
Either you hate the “look at me” trope for both girls, or you like it or both girls. If you like it for one girl, but not the other, can you explain that?
Chasing someone around the court after winning the championship is not what Clark did, so no, they are not the same thing. Trying to say they are the same thing says a lot about you, and it is not good.
Did Reese also refuse to shake hands?
You're changing your tune. First you had a problem with the "look like me" trope when Angel said it, but for Caitlin it's not a problem.
Caitlin is a champion and inspiration for little girls to look up to, but screw those little girls that look like Angel.
We see you...
You're making up your own facts to support your agenda. Maybe critical thinking isn't you're thing.
How about you give reading the thread a try, genius.
How about you answer the question are you OK with Caitlin Clark saying that she was playing for girls look like her?
I'm not the one that originally asserted that I was sick of the "look like me" trope. Maybe ask that PP.
You can still answer the question
I personally don't see a problem with her wanting to inspire little girls from Iowa to make it to the big stage. She works hard and is dedicated to her craft and that, at least, is to be commended.
And Reese saying “This is for all the girls that look like me”?
Totally fine. A lot of the girls to which Angel is referring grow up in precarious circumstances and basketball can be a good outlet for them and one way to affirm their value in a world that often does not. Beyond that, they have visible images of athletic excellence to which they can aspire.
Hmm
The median income for where Caitlin Clark is from 20% lower than the median income of where Angel Reese is from.
I think you're trying to make a point, but not sure what it is...
I think you should switch the names in your responses to be more accurate.
Totally fine. A lot of the girls to which Clark is referring grow up in precarious circumstances and basketball can be a good outlet for them and one way to affirm their value in a world that often does not. Beyond that, they have visible images of athletic excellence to which they can aspire
personally don't see a problem with Reese wanting to inspire little girls from Maryland to make it to the big stage. She works hard and is dedicated to her craft and that, at least, is to be commended.
You don’t see the point?
Well, no. Because Clark has specifically made reference to girls from Iowa and being an Iowa girl is a huge part of her brand and identity, not having left the state to attend one of the more popular programs elsewhere in the country or not even Notre Dame, which is in her region, but is a nationally storied program.
Angel has talked about girls that look like her (i.e. black girls deemed "ghetto" and uncouth from lower income communities around the country). Raven Johnson, Tamari Key, Flau'jae are girls that "look like her", and they ain't from Maryland. Moreover, Angel talks about growing up playing ball in Baltimore, not "Maryland". Why are you lumping in Potomac and Bethesda to try to make some weird point about median income.
So no, I don't see your point.
Of course you don’t.
Nor does the media, which is the problem.
Im talking about the median income of Randallstown md vs Des Moines, Iowa. Why would assume I was including Bethesda? Hmmmmmm.
Her private school in Baltimore she traveled to? You act like she was running through the cut and playing ball in the Eastside/Westside basketball game.
She lives in the suburbs.
You are reaching HARD looking for a point that just isn't there and nitpicking because you didn't get the answers you hoped for lol.
Also, btw Caitlin was raised in WEST Des Moines, Iowa, a very low COL state. Stop tryin to make her out to be some kid from a farm.
Do you have anything to say about the manner of speech, manner of comportment and manner of fashion and dress for the girls that "look like Angel"? All those girls across the country are identifying with her right now, while you research census data to try to make a lame point .
I’m not looking to make a point, you did it with your very biased answer about each girl.
I love the way Angel looks, speaks, acts, carries herself.
Just like I like Caitlin even when she got technical fouls for her behavior.
I’m not the one putting one and a pedestal, and the other in the gutter.
Why do you have something to say about her manner of speech and fashion?
What about Caitlin speech and fashion?
It was pretty much the same answer for each girl about uplifting little girls and you went looking for bias. You were desperate to find bias. You were going to find bias come hell or high water.
Who has put Caitlin in a gutter? She has been almost universally praised and her displays of poor sportsmanship have been overlooked her whole career.
Stop making a fool of yourself. Get back to me when many people around the country are calling Caitlin ghetto, thug, bar fighter, hood, bit*h and worse or making fun of her hair or eye lashes just for being herself or competing hard.
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Who are you talking about, keyboard warriors on social media? They are trolls and will say nasty stuff about pretty much anyone. So it's not like Angel is some kind of victim. You can't claim she has class when she acts trashy.
Anonymous wrote:The Iowa gal is cute, with pretty long hair, and quirky facial expressions. And obviously she was the most valuable player in the NCAA this season. There is no doubt in my mind the LSU women and referees were obsessively jealous and envious of her attractiveness and fame. Bad look for the sport.
LOL, try harder troll.
Relative to the average female basketball player she’s very cute. And you know it. But play dumb. Whatever.
Anonymous wrote:They are both annoying. But be a good sport at the end of a game you are winning and shake hands.
Angel Reese's point was bigger than just the game though. Caitlin gets way more benefit of the doubt for her behavior than Angel or the SC girls would.
The refs were giving Caitlin favorable treatment throughout the tournament too. She is a great player and I was rooting for her until I noticed how the officials were treating her. She was pushing off, fouling, and taunting. Her attitude was terrible.
I’m a fan of hers, but I hate to see the racism. I won’t call the favorable treatment by the refs racism, but the media vilifying Angel, and the First Lady inviting the losing team to the White House shows we have a long way to go.
Anonymous wrote:The Iowa gal is cute, with pretty long hair, and quirky facial expressions. And obviously she was the most valuable player in the NCAA this season. There is no doubt in my mind the LSU women and referees were obsessively jealous and envious of her attractiveness and fame. Bad look for the sport.
LOL, try harder troll.
Relative to the average female basketball player she’s very cute. And you know it. But play dumb. Whatever.
She isn’t average, she’s a superstar. I’m sure many players would like to be as good as her, but she is no looker. Gabby Marshall is cute and I could see women being jealous of her, But not Caitlin. Alexis Morris, who was guarding Caitlin is better looking than Caitlin.
Anonymous wrote:They are both annoying. But be a good sport at the end of a game you are winning and shake hands.
Angel Reese's point was bigger than just the game though. Caitlin gets way more benefit of the doubt for her behavior than Angel or the SC girls would.
The refs were giving Caitlin favorable treatment throughout the tournament too. She is a great player and I was rooting for her until I noticed how the officials were treating her. She was pushing off, fouling, and taunting. Her attitude was terrible.
I’m a fan of hers, but I hate to see the racism. I won’t call the favorable treatment by the refs racism, but the media vilifying Angel, and the First Lady inviting the losing team to the White House shows we have a long way to go.
There is a double standard about the trash talking, but I think the First Lady was talking about the fact that this game with these two teams was the most watched women's bb college championship game ever. If you don't think Clark and Iowa contributed to that, you are high.
Anonymous wrote:The Iowa gal is cute, with pretty long hair, and quirky facial expressions. And obviously she was the most valuable player in the NCAA this season. There is no doubt in my mind the LSU women and referees were obsessively jealous and envious of her attractiveness and fame. Bad look for the sport.
LOL, try harder troll.
Relative to the average female basketball player she’s very cute. And you know it. But play dumb. Whatever.
She isn’t average, she’s a superstar. I’m sure many players would like to be as good as her, but she is no looker. Gabby Marshall is cute and I could see women being jealous of her, But not Caitlin. Alexis Morris, who was guarding Caitlin is better looking than Caitlin.
OMG STOP TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE WOMEN'S BASKETBALL PLAYERS LOOK LIKE. Talk about their play.
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