The Last of Us - HBO TV show (With game spoilers)

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Anonymous wrote:Did the preacher molest the girl whose dad died?

And were they eating the dad who died?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did the preacher molest the girl whose dad died?

And were they eating the dad who died?

Yes, I think that was the subtext. When they leave the compound to “look for food” or “go hunt,” they actually kill people they find and use them for food. They won’t waste a dead body, even from their own community.

This episode was grisly.

Do we think Joel may have eaten other humans in the past with his brother in order to remain alive?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the preacher molest the girl whose dad died?

And were they eating the dad who died?

Yes, I think that was the subtext. When they leave the compound to “look for food” or “go hunt,” they actually kill people they find and use them for food. They won’t waste a dead body, even from their own community.

This episode was grisly.

Do we think Joel may have eaten other humans in the past with his brother in order to remain alive?

So the group that first saw Joel/Ellie earlier was probably hunting them for food? Hadn’t thought of that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the preacher molest the girl whose dad died?

And were they eating the dad who died?

Yes, I think that was the subtext. When they leave the compound to “look for food” or “go hunt,” they actually kill people they find and use them for food. They won’t waste a dead body, even from their own community.

This episode was grisly.

Do we think Joel may have eaten other humans in the past with his brother in order to remain alive?

So the group that first saw Joel/Ellie earlier was probably hunting them for food? Hadn’t thought of that.

Neither had I, nor had I considered that they were eating the girl’s dad. Gross gross gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bring back the mushroom zombies!!

I’m guessing they don’t fare too well in snowy environments

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Anonymous wrote:Was Ellie supposed to give penicillin shot right into the injury spot?

So someone attacked me earlier for nitpicking, but I'm a gonna nitpick. Eliie is a crack shot, can easily wrangle a horse, etc., but she never got training in how to inject medicine such as antibiotics? I'd think that would be FEDRA 101. I actually don't really mind the Ellie heroics. I'm willing to suspend disbelief for that.

But - where was the entire rest of this colony when David was burning down the lodge? And yeah, these people couldn't find anywhere else to settle (or does cold kill/inhibit Cordyceps)?

And there's only one episode left?! Remember when television had 13 or even up to 20 episodes a season?

I like this series and I like Pascal and Ramsey. The hug and "baby girl" at the end were genuinely moving, but yeah, I have some issues.

I was thinking about this and I believe they were in the town. the place with the fire was a lodge in the forest surrounded by snow, it wasn't in the town where they all met up / ate and sat passively together. Remember they are a particularly passive bunch.

It was the place in town where they had their meetings and ate their meals. That religious sign was on the wall.

But when Ellie escapes into the snow and Joel finds her, there are trees, not buildings - that's not the town or the street we saw the religious leader and James exit onto after the last meeting.

DP. Probably the rear of the building, that didn't face the street. Just go with it.

got it

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who played the game (well, who watched her DH play the game) and who loves the story, I was *thrilled* to see Troy Baker get such a large role in this episode, grisly end and all. Now Ashley Johnson just needs to show up, and all will be right with the world.

(Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey are terrific in their respective roles, but I have a soft spot for the leads from the game)

Wait - I just looked him up. Did he play Joel in the game? Very cool! Kind of makes me wonder why he didn't play Joel in this show - even though I do love Pedro Pascal.

Are you serious? Because its the lead and for the lead you need a known, famous, leading actor, not a complete unknown who only otherwise does voice work.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the preacher molest the girl whose dad died?

And were they eating the dad who died?

Yes, I think that was the subtext. When they leave the compound to “look for food” or “go hunt,” they actually kill people they find and use them for food. They won’t waste a dead body, even from their own community.

This episode was grisly.

Do we think Joel may have eaten other humans in the past with his brother in order to remain alive?

So the group that first saw Joel/Ellie earlier was probably hunting them for food? Hadn’t thought of that.

Exactly. At the time I didn’t consider the implications, but after the last episode I realized that’s exactly what they were doing. They were going to kill Joel and Ellie at the university campus and bring their bodies back to feed the commune.

There’s a point early in the last episode where David (the preacher) and James talk about the most recent group that went hunting. James says “The men say they saw a deer last night” to which David replies “Yeah, but they see what they want to see at night.” This indicates the lack of game animal available, particularly in winter. It seems that finding an actual animal to eat is a fairly rare occurrence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the preacher molest the girl whose dad died?

And were they eating the dad who died?

Yes, I think that was the subtext. When they leave the compound to “look for food” or “go hunt,” they actually kill people they find and use them for food. They won’t waste a dead body, even from their own community.

This episode was grisly.

Do we think Joel may have eaten other humans in the past with his brother in order to remain alive?

So the group that first saw Joel/Ellie earlier was probably hunting them for food? Hadn’t thought of that.

I feel like it can't be THAT straightforward because honestly, if you are desperately hunting food, they would have taken the horse. The horse was a clear bird in hand there. Why search for potentially dangerous humans when you can just walk away with a healthy horse?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the preacher molest the girl whose dad died?

And were they eating the dad who died?

Yes, I think that was the subtext. When they leave the compound to “look for food” or “go hunt,” they actually kill people they find and use them for food. They won’t waste a dead body, even from their own community.

This episode was grisly.

Do we think Joel may have eaten other humans in the past with his brother in order to remain alive?

So the group that first saw Joel/Ellie earlier was probably hunting them for food? Hadn’t thought of that.

Exactly. At the time I didn’t consider the implications, but after the last episode I realized that’s exactly what they were doing. They were going to kill Joel and Ellie at the university campus and bring their bodies back to feed the commune.

There’s a point early in the last episode where David (the preacher) and James talk about the most recent group that went hunting. James says “The men say they saw a deer last night” to which David replies “Yeah, but they see what they want to see at night.” This indicates the lack of game animal available, particularly in winter. It seems that finding an actual animal to eat is a fairly rare occurrence.

I didn’t realize it, either – until Ellie did. I knew something was really wrong and ominous, but when it clicked, I was straight up stomach-turning horrified.

I doubt they were intentionally hunting people – they were hunting anything they could.

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Anonymous wrote:It's been mentioned several times that Joel and Tommy had done "awful" things to people in the past - but didn't *everyone* do awful things in order to survive? It seems like if you didn't do what you had to, you'd wind up either under someone else's control or dead. I guess I don't really consider killing bad people to be doing anything particularly awful. Or maybe one of you has more detail that I don't know anything about?

I agree that trying to put traditional morality onto apocalypse life is really difficult. I think where we typically draw the line is terrible things being done reactively or proactively. IE, faking an injury to get a car to stop and then doing something terrible to those people who were just traveling is different from killing people who tricked you into stopping and tried to rob you.

And clearly Joel has done some proactive bad things. But I do agree it is not always so cut and dry. Are you faking the injury to get the car because you're starving? It does not seem like Joel, to me, has done bad things because he ENJOYS doing bad things, but because he wanted to protect/provide for people he deemed important. So he is kind of a grey area, which makes sense. I think the idea that Tommy would be comfortable with the opinion his wife shows of Joel is less believable though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the preacher molest the girl whose dad died?

And were they eating the dad who died?

Yes, I think that was the subtext. When they leave the compound to “look for food” or “go hunt,” they actually kill people they find and use them for food. They won’t waste a dead body, even from their own community.

This episode was grisly.

Do we think Joel may have eaten other humans in the past with his brother in order to remain alive?

So the group that first saw Joel/Ellie earlier was probably hunting them for food? Hadn’t thought of that.

I feel like it can't be THAT straightforward because honestly, if you are desperately hunting food, they would have taken the horse. The horse was a clear bird in hand there. Why search for potentially dangerous humans when you can just walk away with a healthy horse?

They have a lot of mouths to feed at their commune. They wanted the horse AND the human bodies AND whatever supplies Joel/Ellie were carrying.

In a situation where you’re starving in winter, nothing and no one goes to waste.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was Ellie supposed to give penicillin shot right into the injury spot?

So someone attacked me earlier for nitpicking, but I'm a gonna nitpick. Eliie is a crack shot, can easily wrangle a horse, etc., but she never got training in how to inject medicine such as antibiotics? I'd think that would be FEDRA 101. I actually don't really mind the Ellie heroics. I'm willing to suspend disbelief for that.

But - where was the entire rest of this colony when David was burning down the lodge? And yeah, these people couldn't find anywhere else to settle (or does cold kill/inhibit Cordyceps)?

And there's only one episode left?! Remember when television had 13 or even up to 20 episodes a season?

I like this series and I like Pascal and Ramsey. The hug and "baby girl" at the end were genuinely moving, but yeah, I have some issues.

I believe the cordyceps can't survive below a certain temperature - that's why the scientist in the first episode was saying that as the earth gets hotter, it will become possible for cordyceps to thrive. So I guess I'd rather take my chances in a snowy climate where there's at least no risk of the fungus/zombies.

Scientists today believe it's still possible to stop climate change if we make significant changes. You'd think a complete shutdown of society would stop the earth from getting hotter, especially when trees and nature are able to grow at a faster rate, taking over buildings, cities, etc.

[Anonymous]

In the game when Joel is interrogating the men he captured one of them refers to Ellie as "David's new pet" or something like that. I was surprised they cut it because I think it gave some additional context for just how violent Joel becomes in his attempt to find her. From what we are shown, Joel doesn't know that Ellie is in serious danger just that she has been captured. That line makes his beating them to death, knee cap torture, etc. feel more paternal than psychotic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bring back the mushroom zombies!!

I’m guessing they don’t fare too well in snowy environments

Guess global warming fixed itself 20 years after human society gone for good.