Actress Anne Heche severely burned in fiery car crash

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very frustrated that so many folks are vilifying her on what appears to be incomplete information. It was first reported that she was drunk and yet the toxicology shows she had no alcohol in her system. Now it’s being reported she was high on cocaine, but the reports are that she had fentanyl and other narcotics on board - all of which could have been administered by first responders in the ambulance or as she entered the hospital - the pain from burns is the most extreme known to man so fentanyl would be the go to pain relief of choice for a burn victim coming in from a fire accident scene. They were not able to take blood immediately because of the hypervolemia and hypoperfusion that takes place in the human body following severe burns. As a former prosecutor I can attest that it is highly unlikely that a detailed breakdown of the toxicology is available less than a week following her accident, and likely when official results are available it will be indeterminate whether she had any substances on board while driving - but her reputation has already been destroyed by irresponsible reporting that cites not one single named source for the declarations being made about her status at the time of the crash.

Clearly something was going on, but Anne has struggled with serious mental illness for almost all her adult life - a normal consequence of having been raped by her father in infancy and contracting herpes as an infant as a result and having a heartless monster of a mother who never believed her and never supported her in any way in her coping with that early childhood trauma. Anne never had the choice to be a healthy person, just like millions of abused children who struggle all their lives to grapple with ptsd from childhood. She tried hard and worked hard and sometimes failed, but she is not deserving of the vilification of the holier than thous here and elsewhere on social media who are speaking of her as though she’s garbage. Hope the karma bus runs all of you over, then backs up and runs over you again.

Yes she is. She was reckless with the lives of others. She is deserving of that.

This enablement and excuses is why we have homeless crackheads all over the streets . No consequences for their actions.

Lack of mental healthcare is why we have homeless. Thanks for serving, sorry about your PTSD. Also sorry you got herpes at 18 months.

If she had driven out into the middle of nowhere and hurled herself off a cliff I would have more sympathy for her. Suffering does not give people permission to harm others. Not even her perpetrator -- disregard for the lives of total strangers

I empathize with all human suffering. Well, unless it's a serial killer or something real aggregious like that. She suffered immensely. She basically burned to death for an hour.

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I hope that Anne Heche's soul is at peace. It's her father who I hope is burning in hell.

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Welp they're saying she's brain dead now and just being kept alive for purposes of possible organ donation. Um, how could any of her organs possibly be in good enough shape to be donated with all the substances she's ingested for so long? Maybe her corneas but liver, heart, lungs, etc. must be a wreck, no?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very frustrated that so many folks are vilifying her on what appears to be incomplete information. It was first reported that she was drunk and yet the toxicology shows she had no alcohol in her system. Now it’s being reported she was high on cocaine, but the reports are that she had fentanyl and other narcotics on board - all of which could have been administered by first responders in the ambulance or as she entered the hospital - the pain from burns is the most extreme known to man so fentanyl would be the go to pain relief of choice for a burn victim coming in from a fire accident scene. They were not able to take blood immediately because of the hypervolemia and hypoperfusion that takes place in the human body following severe burns. As a former prosecutor I can attest that it is highly unlikely that a detailed breakdown of the toxicology is available less than a week following her accident, and likely when official results are available it will be indeterminate whether she had any substances on board while driving - but her reputation has already been destroyed by irresponsible reporting that cites not one single named source for the declarations being made about her status at the time of the crash.

Clearly something was going on, but Anne has struggled with serious mental illness for almost all her adult life - a normal consequence of having been raped by her father in infancy and contracting herpes as an infant as a result and having a heartless monster of a mother who never believed her and never supported her in any way in her coping with that early childhood trauma. Anne never had the choice to be a healthy person, just like millions of abused children who struggle all their lives to grapple with ptsd from childhood. She tried hard and worked hard and sometimes failed, but she is not deserving of the vilification of the holier than thous here and elsewhere on social media who are speaking of her as though she’s garbage. Hope the karma bus runs all of you over, then backs up and runs over you again.

Yes she is. She was reckless with the lives of others. She is deserving of that.

+1 the PP “prosecutor” can GFH. Any sympathy for Anne’s issues ends with her reckless behavior that day.

It is possible to show compassion for both the addict and for the people harmed by the addict's behavior. These things are not mutually exclusive.

Sorry, no sympathy for addicts who show wonton disregard for others.

Addicts aren't typically make sound decisions about how their behavior impacts others or themselves...they're addicts. They're not in control-the addiction is in control. It's a disease. Haven't you ever watched Intervention? Maybe open your eyes a little to what this disease does to someone.

Ahhh there it is, you’ll give a free pass if someone has an addiction. Thankfully you don’t set the laws in this country.

DP. No one is saying that there shouldn’t be laws in place that would apply in this case. Properly constructed laws (setting aside for now whether we have appropriate laws) can have an significant role in addressing addiction issues and the damage they can cause. But you can have laws in place and agree they should be enforced while also having compassion for the person who violated them.

In very simplicities form, it’s like the cliched ethical example of the person who steals bread to feed their starving family. We can agree there should be consequences for the theft while also having compassion for the person so desperate to save their family from starvation that they think stealing a loaf of bread is their only option for doing so in the moment.

No, what Anne did is nothing like the example you provided. In your example, the person being stolen from isn’t at risk of physical harm from the thief.

Oh really? What is, in chasing the their, the bakery owner tripped on the door sill, fell out onto the pavement and suffered a brain injury? The thief may not have intended it to occur, but it only would have occurred because of the theft.

Nope. Still not applicable. In Anne’s case she was speeding, weaving, and crashed once before her final crash. So again, not an accurate comparison.

Why? Because you have pronounced it to be so with no substantive rationale, to avoid any need to reconsider your own views?

Because you provided a clearly inaccurate comparison. I’m sorry you don’t understand.

But it’s not. In both cases, the person did something illegal and was reckless as to the potential to cause harm to another.

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Anonymous wrote:Welp they're saying she's brain dead now and just being kept alive for purposes of possible organ donation. Um, how could any of her organs possibly be in good enough shape to be donated with all the substances she's ingested for so long? Maybe her corneas but liver, heart, lungs, etc. must be a wreck, no?

It's just her people saying that's what's happening to have as positive spin on it as possible.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very frustrated that so many folks are vilifying her on what appears to be incomplete information. It was first reported that she was drunk and yet the toxicology shows she had no alcohol in her system. Now it’s being reported she was high on cocaine, but the reports are that she had fentanyl and other narcotics on board - all of which could have been administered by first responders in the ambulance or as she entered the hospital - the pain from burns is the most extreme known to man so fentanyl would be the go to pain relief of choice for a burn victim coming in from a fire accident scene. They were not able to take blood immediately because of the hypervolemia and hypoperfusion that takes place in the human body following severe burns. As a former prosecutor I can attest that it is highly unlikely that a detailed breakdown of the toxicology is available less than a week following her accident, and likely when official results are available it will be indeterminate whether she had any substances on board while driving - but her reputation has already been destroyed by irresponsible reporting that cites not one single named source for the declarations being made about her status at the time of the crash.

Clearly something was going on, but Anne has struggled with serious mental illness for almost all her adult life - a normal consequence of having been raped by her father in infancy and contracting herpes as an infant as a result and having a heartless monster of a mother who never believed her and never supported her in any way in her coping with that early childhood trauma. Anne never had the choice to be a healthy person, just like millions of abused children who struggle all their lives to grapple with ptsd from childhood. She tried hard and worked hard and sometimes failed, but she is not deserving of the vilification of the holier than thous here and elsewhere on social media who are speaking of her as though she’s garbage. Hope the karma bus runs all of you over, then backs up and runs over you again.

Yes she is. She was reckless with the lives of others. She is deserving of that.

This enablement and excuses is why we have homeless crackheads all over the streets . No consequences for their actions.

Please don't speak on the science and chemistry of addiction if you know nothing about it. The Least of Us, by Sam Quinones, is a great read and outlines the massive changes addition triggers in the brain and how difficult it is to undo those changes.

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I am wondering if those posters saying that others are being so horribly judgmental... would still be saying that if a person or people had been sitting in the front part of that house when it was struck and died a horrible death? Because the only thing that prevented that from happening was dumb luck.

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Anonymous wrote:Welp they're saying she's brain dead now and just being kept alive for purposes of possible organ donation. Um, how could any of her organs possibly be in good enough shape to be donated with all the substances she's ingested for so long? Maybe her corneas but liver, heart, lungs, etc. must be a wreck, no?

It's just her people saying that's what's happening to have as positive spin on it as possible.

Ahh. That makes sense - her poor kids. My heart goes out to them that they have to deal with this - I hope they get good therapy and a good support system.

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Anonymous wrote:Will heche estate be able to compensate the destroyed house? I hope they take her money

I’m sure both the home owner and tenant could sue/reach a settlement. Anne was clearly at fault. And all parties undoubtedly had insurance.

I wouldn’t bet on the renter/tenant having insurance.

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Anonymous wrote:Will heche estate be able to compensate the destroyed house? I hope they take her money

I’m sure both the home owner and tenant could sue/reach a settlement. Anne was clearly at fault. And all parties undoubtedly had insurance.

Insurance won't pay if the person is a criminal

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if those posters saying that others are being so horribly judgmental... would still be saying that if a person or people had been sitting in the front part of that house when it was struck and died a horrible death? Because the only thing that prevented that from happening was dumb luck.

I’m saying, wait until the investigators provide a report.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope that Anne Heche's soul is at peace. It's her father who I hope is burning in hell.

Has anyone verified the claims??

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very frustrated that so many folks are vilifying her on what appears to be incomplete information. It was first reported that she was drunk and yet the toxicology shows she had no alcohol in her system. Now it’s being reported she was high on cocaine, but the reports are that she had fentanyl and other narcotics on board - all of which could have been administered by first responders in the ambulance or as she entered the hospital - the pain from burns is the most extreme known to man so fentanyl would be the go to pain relief of choice for a burn victim coming in from a fire accident scene. They were not able to take blood immediately because of the hypervolemia and hypoperfusion that takes place in the human body following severe burns. As a former prosecutor I can attest that it is highly unlikely that a detailed breakdown of the toxicology is available less than a week following her accident, and likely when official results are available it will be indeterminate whether she had any substances on board while driving - but her reputation has already been destroyed by irresponsible reporting that cites not one single named source for the declarations being made about her status at the time of the crash.

Clearly something was going on, but Anne has struggled with serious mental illness for almost all her adult life - a normal consequence of having been raped by her father in infancy and contracting herpes as an infant as a result and having a heartless monster of a mother who never believed her and never supported her in any way in her coping with that early childhood trauma. Anne never had the choice to be a healthy person, just like millions of abused children who struggle all their lives to grapple with ptsd from childhood. She tried hard and worked hard and sometimes failed, but she is not deserving of the vilification of the holier than thous here and elsewhere on social media who are speaking of her as though she’s garbage. Hope the karma bus runs all of you over, then backs up and runs over you again.

Yes she is. She was reckless with the lives of others. She is deserving of that.

This enablement and excuses is why we have homeless crackheads all over the streets . No consequences for their actions.

Lack of mental healthcare is why we have homeless. Thanks for serving, sorry about your PTSD. Also sorry you got herpes at 18 months.

If she had driven out into the middle of nowhere and hurled herself off a cliff I would have more sympathy for her. Suffering does not give people permission to harm others. Not even her perpetrator -- disregard for the lives of total strangers

I empathize with all human suffering. Well, unless it's a serial killer or something real aggregious like that. She suffered immensely. She basically burned to death for an hour.

I could be wrong, but I think that somewhere along the line people conflated the Anne Heche crash with the one by the nurse who was allegedly suicidal. Elsewhere online I’ve seen people accusing Heche of having killed people, which didn’t happen in her crash, but did happen with the nurse. I have not seen any evidence that Heche intentionally crashed her car out of desire to harm or kill herself. She bought a wig shortly beforehand and seemed normal according to the shopowner. I think she did coke, had the first crash as a result, hit her head and disoriented had the second crash resulting in the fire.

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if those posters saying that others are being so horribly judgmental... would still be saying that if a person or people had been sitting in the front part of that house when it was struck and died a horrible death? Because the only thing that prevented that from happening was dumb luck.

I would - I did death row defense work for years, though, so we probably can't be friend irl. I just don't think we can judge people in a vacuum - no one is all good or all bad, and humans shouldn't be summarized by a choice like drug use that is so loaded given her history.

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Anonymous wrote:Family says she is not expected to survive and they are preparing her for organ donation. She has had anoxic brain injury. Discusses her in the past tense.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/anne-heche-not-expected-survive-family-says-rcna42152

Very sad for her two children, one of whom is only 13. Very sorry for her that she didn’t get treatment, bad way to go.

I can't imagine that most of her organs are usable. Her lungs are gone, her kidneys and liver I would imagine are not donation-worthy, perhaps her eyes?

Research.

That felt wrong to post. The tissue damage might be useful to study.

I wasn't trying to be insensitive at all. I also didn't think of the research aspect, which makes sense.