Actress Anne Heche severely burned in fiery car crash

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Anonymous wrote:Will heche estate be able to compensate the destroyed house? I hope they take her money

I’m sure both the home owner and tenant could sue/reach a settlement. Anne was clearly at fault. And all parties undoubtedly had insurance.

Insurance won't pay if the person is a criminal

Sure they will. That’s the whole point.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for HER. She grew up in a toxic environment. No amount of money or fame can cure you from the past. May she get peace.

Were her claims even true?? Her mother and sister vehemently disputed her accusations. Was she schizophrenic possibly?? She should have been sectioned decades ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Will heche estate be able to compensate the destroyed house? I hope they take her money

I’m sure both the home owner and tenant could sue/reach a settlement. Anne was clearly at fault. And all parties undoubtedly had insurance.

Insurance won't pay if the person is a criminal

Sure they will. That’s the whole point.

What?? think about what you wrote bolded PP. Please.

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We all could say we are ‘fighting demons’. The longer you live the more sh$! you endure. AH was severely severely mentally ill, I am guessing schizophrenic. We used to institutionalize people like this and rightfully so in many cases. She was just one of millions of ticking time bombs.

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if those posters saying that others are being so horribly judgmental... would still be saying that if a person or people had been sitting in the front part of that house when it was struck and died a horrible death? Because the only thing that prevented that from happening was dumb luck.

I would - I did death row defense work for years, though, so we probably can't be friend irl. I just don't think we can judge people in a vacuum - no one is all good or all bad, and humans shouldn't be summarized by a choice like drug use that is so loaded given her history.

AH wasn’t simply a druggie or a drunk, which are bad enough by themselves. No, she clearly had some type of mental illness which was the primary issue here. There were red flags all over, yet we as a society, especially when dealing with celebrities, enable these people, we’re afraid to offend them….welp, this is what happens when it’s pretty much swept under the rug. Someone will die, and usually tragically. This and other situations like this could be avoided if we were able to actually treat these people, sadly some aren’t treatable. They are sick, they don’t assimilate well into a functioning society. We need to stop enabling them and normalizing it and blaming childhood ‘trauma’. Some people are just born broken.

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if those posters saying that others are being so horribly judgmental... would still be saying that if a person or people had been sitting in the front part of that house when it was struck and died a horrible death? Because the only thing that prevented that from happening was dumb luck.

I would - I did death row defense work for years, though, so we probably can't be friend irl. I just don't think we can judge people in a vacuum - no one is all good or all bad, and humans shouldn't be summarized by a choice like drug use that is so loaded given her history.

What is her history exactly? I don’t mean to be insensitive but she is very obviously mentally ill, have you ever spoken with a schizophrenic or a manic person? They can make up believable stories, they do, in fact, believe them. BUT the stories are fabricated, it’s all made up. Could this not be a possibility? Especially since all her family members dispute this, and the accused has been dead for 40+ years. Even if true, she needed more help than she was getting and presumably she was old enough to know right from wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Another vile thread by sick people who want to persecute people for the fun of it.

You are strange. You're like a vulture preying on other vultures, while pretending to be better than the vultures you are preying on. Get off the thread if you don't like it. You are not the boss of others.

We can all see the vile behavior of these posters.

They are speculating on AH.

That's not true. That's why so many people are on this thread. If YOU don't like it, then YOU shouldn't read the thread. Anne Heche is a public figure. Fair game for discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read online that Anne Heche is on life support now & is not expected to survive her injuries.

Apparently she has suffered severe brain injuries + is only being kept alive to see if her organs are still viable for donation.

While I do not personally agree w/what she did - I am sad to see how sadly her life will conclude.

How did she get up in the stretcher if she had the brain injuries? I'm guessing the brain injury was while on a ventilator?

Medical worker here, and have also experienced personally a family member’s brain death. The body can have seizures and other kinds of movement following anoxic injury - in fact, that is the reason that some families refuse to let go of a brain dead family member because the body may still be making involuntary movements including the grasping of hands but those don’t mean that the brain has any level of consciousness. This can even happen in bodies that are brain stem dead, meaning they cannot breathe on their own and will die shortly after removal of mechanical ventilation. My relative’s body took almost half an hour to die after removal of mechanical ventilation, and continued seizing and movement the entire time - but she had no brain activity consistent with continued life.

In Anne’s case, she was still semi conscious when they pulled her from her burning car after an HOUR of inhaling the most toxic mix you can imagine - like being in the middle of a burn pit. Her brain was likely dying slowly the entire time and she was listed as in a coma by the time she was admitted to hospital. She suffered a horrible terrible awful death and I cannot begin to grasp the kind of personality that would vilify someone whose actions have already punished her 1000x more than the law ever would.

It's not like this thread is adding to her pain.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very frustrated that so many folks are vilifying her on what appears to be incomplete information. It was first reported that she was drunk and yet the toxicology shows she had no alcohol in her system. Now it’s being reported she was high on cocaine, but the reports are that she had fentanyl and other narcotics on board - all of which could have been administered by first responders in the ambulance or as she entered the hospital - the pain from burns is the most extreme known to man so fentanyl would be the go to pain relief of choice for a burn victim coming in from a fire accident scene. They were not able to take blood immediately because of the hypervolemia and hypoperfusion that takes place in the human body following severe burns. As a former prosecutor I can attest that it is highly unlikely that a detailed breakdown of the toxicology is available less than a week following her accident, and likely when official results are available it will be indeterminate whether she had any substances on board while driving - but her reputation has already been destroyed by irresponsible reporting that cites not one single named source for the declarations being made about her status at the time of the crash.

Clearly something was going on, but Anne has struggled with serious mental illness for almost all her adult life - a normal consequence of having been raped by her father in infancy and contracting herpes as an infant as a result and having a heartless monster of a mother who never believed her and never supported her in any way in her coping with that early childhood trauma. Anne never had the choice to be a healthy person, just like millions of abused children who struggle all their lives to grapple with ptsd from childhood. She tried hard and worked hard and sometimes failed, but she is not deserving of the vilification of the holier than thous here and elsewhere on social media who are speaking of her as though she’s garbage. Hope the karma bus runs all of you over, then backs up and runs over you again.

Yes she is. She was reckless with the lives of others. She is deserving of that.

+1 the PP “prosecutor” can GFH. Any sympathy for Anne’s issues ends with her reckless behavior that day.

It is possible to show compassion for both the addict and for the people harmed by the addict's behavior. These things are not mutually exclusive.

Sorry, no sympathy for addicts who show wonton disregard for others.

Addicts aren't typically make sound decisions about how their behavior impacts others or themselves...they're addicts. They're not in control-the addiction is in control. It's a disease. Haven't you ever watched Intervention? Maybe open your eyes a little to what this disease does to someone.

Ahhh there it is, you’ll give a free pass if someone has an addiction. Thankfully you don’t set the laws in this country.

DP. No one is saying that there shouldn’t be laws in place that would apply in this case. Properly constructed laws (setting aside for now whether we have appropriate laws) can have an significant role in addressing addiction issues and the damage they can cause. But you can have laws in place and agree they should be enforced while also having compassion for the person who violated them.

In very simplicities form, it’s like the cliched ethical example of the person who steals bread to feed their starving family. We can agree there should be consequences for the theft while also having compassion for the person so desperate to save their family from starvation that they think stealing a loaf of bread is their only option for doing so in the moment.

Except it's more like someone who is so desperate to save their family from starvation that they take a gun and randomly shoot the first person to cross their paths so they can steal their bread or money. As a consequence, that person's family is going to stave.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read online that Anne Heche is on life support now & is not expected to survive her injuries.

Apparently she has suffered severe brain injuries + is only being kept alive to see if her organs are still viable for donation.

While I do not personally agree w/what she did - I am sad to see how sadly her life will conclude.

How did she get up in the stretcher if she had the brain injuries? I'm guessing the brain injury was while on a ventilator?

Medical worker here, and have also experienced personally a family member’s brain death. The body can have seizures and other kinds of movement following anoxic injury - in fact, that is the reason that some families refuse to let go of a brain dead family member because the body may still be making involuntary movements including the grasping of hands but those don’t mean that the brain has any level of consciousness. This can even happen in bodies that are brain stem dead, meaning they cannot breathe on their own and will die shortly after removal of mechanical ventilation. My relative’s body took almost half an hour to die after removal of mechanical ventilation, and continued seizing and movement the entire time - but she had no brain activity consistent with continued life.

In Anne’s case, she was still semi conscious when they pulled her from her burning car after an HOUR of inhaling the most toxic mix you can imagine - like being in the middle of a burn pit. Her brain was likely dying slowly the entire time and she was listed as in a coma by the time she was admitted to hospital. She suffered a horrible terrible awful death and I cannot begin to grasp the kind of personality that would vilify someone whose actions have already punished her 1000x more than the law ever would.

It's not like this thread is adding to her pain.

She chose to do coke and then drive, also with a vodka bottle in the front seat? She chose to do that, correct? If she wasn’t able to make decisions for herself she lacked capacity and should not have had access to a vehicle. Stop with the excuses.

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if those posters saying that others are being so horribly judgmental... would still be saying that if a person or people had been sitting in the front part of that house when it was struck and died a horrible death? Because the only thing that prevented that from happening was dumb luck.

I would - I did death row defense work for years, though, so we probably can't be friend irl. I just don't think we can judge people in a vacuum - no one is all good or all bad, and humans shouldn't be summarized by a choice like drug use that is so loaded given her history.

Of course they should be! Just because we can have compassion for addicts doesn't mean we shouldn't judge them for harming others, whether or not it's due to their addiction. Come on, that's ridiculous. No one is saying she got what she deserved -- we're saying what she did really, really sucked.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very frustrated that so many folks are vilifying her on what appears to be incomplete information. It was first reported that she was drunk and yet the toxicology shows she had no alcohol in her system. Now it’s being reported she was high on cocaine, but the reports are that she had fentanyl and other narcotics on board - all of which could have been administered by first responders in the ambulance or as she entered the hospital - the pain from burns is the most extreme known to man so fentanyl would be the go to pain relief of choice for a burn victim coming in from a fire accident scene. They were not able to take blood immediately because of the hypervolemia and hypoperfusion that takes place in the human body following severe burns. As a former prosecutor I can attest that it is highly unlikely that a detailed breakdown of the toxicology is available less than a week following her accident, and likely when official results are available it will be indeterminate whether she had any substances on board while driving - but her reputation has already been destroyed by irresponsible reporting that cites not one single named source for the declarations being made about her status at the time of the crash.

Clearly something was going on, but Anne has struggled with serious mental illness for almost all her adult life - a normal consequence of having been raped by her father in infancy and contracting herpes as an infant as a result and having a heartless monster of a mother who never believed her and never supported her in any way in her coping with that early childhood trauma. Anne never had the choice to be a healthy person, just like millions of abused children who struggle all their lives to grapple with ptsd from childhood. She tried hard and worked hard and sometimes failed, but she is not deserving of the vilification of the holier than thous here and elsewhere on social media who are speaking of her as though she’s garbage. Hope the karma bus runs all of you over, then backs up and runs over you again.

Yes she is. She was reckless with the lives of others. She is deserving of that.

+1 the PP “prosecutor” can GFH. Any sympathy for Anne’s issues ends with her reckless behavior that day.

It is possible to show compassion for both the addict and for the people harmed by the addict's behavior. These things are not mutually exclusive.

Sorry, no sympathy for addicts who show wonton disregard for others.

Addicts aren't typically make sound decisions about how their behavior impacts others or themselves...they're addicts. They're not in control-the addiction is in control. It's a disease. Haven't you ever watched Intervention? Maybe open your eyes a little to what this disease does to someone.

Ahhh there it is, you’ll give a free pass if someone has an addiction. Thankfully you don’t set the laws in this country.

DP. No one is saying that there shouldn’t be laws in place that would apply in this case. Properly constructed laws (setting aside for now whether we have appropriate laws) can have an significant role in addressing addiction issues and the damage they can cause. But you can have laws in place and agree they should be enforced while also having compassion for the person who violated them.

In very simplicities form, it’s like the cliched ethical example of the person who steals bread to feed their starving family. We can agree there should be consequences for the theft while also having compassion for the person so desperate to save their family from starvation that they think stealing a loaf of bread is their only option for doing so in the moment.

Except it's more like someone who is so desperate to save their family from starvation that they take a gun and randomly shoot the first person to cross their paths so they can steal their bread or money. As a consequence, that person's family is going to stave.

A mentally unstable druggie/drunk’s rights do not trump the rights of innocent people. She never ever should have had access to a vehicle.

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Wow. I read her Wikipedia page, which said she had created another place in her head called the Fourth Dimension.

Four of her five siblings are dead for various reasons. Her dad died from AIDS and her mom campaigns against gay people.

The fact she accomplished so much despite her troubles is really something. I wish peace for her family and children, the homeowners, the woman she almost hit, the inhabitant of the house, and the firefighters.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read online that Anne Heche is on life support now & is not expected to survive her injuries.

Apparently she has suffered severe brain injuries + is only being kept alive to see if her organs are still viable for donation.

While I do not personally agree w/what she did - I am sad to see how sadly her life will conclude.

How did she get up in the stretcher if she had the brain injuries? I'm guessing the brain injury was while on a ventilator?

Medical worker here, and have also experienced personally a family member’s brain death. The body can have seizures and other kinds of movement following anoxic injury - in fact, that is the reason that some families refuse to let go of a brain dead family member because the body may still be making involuntary movements including the grasping of hands but those don’t mean that the brain has any level of consciousness. This can even happen in bodies that are brain stem dead, meaning they cannot breathe on their own and will die shortly after removal of mechanical ventilation. My relative’s body took almost half an hour to die after removal of mechanical ventilation, and continued seizing and movement the entire time - but she had no brain activity consistent with continued life.

In Anne’s case, she was still semi conscious when they pulled her from her burning car after an HOUR of inhaling the most toxic mix you can imagine - like being in the middle of a burn pit. Her brain was likely dying slowly the entire time and she was listed as in a coma by the time she was admitted to hospital. She suffered a horrible terrible awful death and I cannot begin to grasp the kind of personality that would vilify someone whose actions have already punished her 1000x more than the law ever would.

It's not like this thread is adding to her pain.

She chose to do coke and then drive, also with a vodka bottle in the front seat? She chose to do that, correct? If she wasn’t able to make decisions for herself she lacked capacity and should not have had access to a vehicle. Stop with the excuses.

If addicts made choices the way everyone else did, there wouldn’t be such problems with addiction. I don’t know why people are acting like she had too much wine with dinner and then decided to drive. You’re right, she shouldn’t have had access to a vehicle.

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Anonymous wrote:Another vile thread by sick people who want to persecute people for the fun of it.

You are strange. You're like a vulture preying on other vultures, while pretending to be better than the vultures you are preying on. Get off the thread if you don't like it. You are not the boss of others.

We can all see the vile behavior of these posters.

They are speculating on AH.

That's not true. That's why so many people are on this thread. If YOU don't like it, then YOU shouldn't read the thread. Anne Heche is a public figure. Fair game for discussion.

Anne Heche made a selfish decision that could have killed people, she didn’t care if she killed anyone. She chose to do this. Remember that. There are plenty of messed up people out there who aren’t so self centered and self absorbed.