T20 Universities list predictions

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly it should be t15….

Under that you start getting “spiky” school….

Nd…Catholics
Vandy…sundresses
Emory, rice…south
CMU (I like CMU a lot)….tech, poor QoL, Pittsburgh meh
Gtown….shitty endowment, shitty facilities, kids don’t like it, great public/social science sector programs

The rough t15 are schools that are just straight up strong and have resources and provenance





MIT isn't spiky? How about JHU?


MIT social sciences are a monster. Only a philistine would think MIT isn’t an all round beast

JHU isn’t either - humanities are really strong at JHU. Jhu is like Chicago

Jhu is held back by location and absolutely shitty administration and QoL



A: Where do you go?
B: MIT
A: Whow, what's your major
B: History
A: Bummer
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly it should be t15….

Under that you start getting “spiky” school….

Nd…Catholics
Vandy…sundresses
Emory, rice…south
CMU (I like CMU a lot)….tech, poor QoL, Pittsburgh meh
Gtown….shitty endowment, shitty facilities, kids don’t like it, great public/social science sector programs

The rough t15 are schools that are just straight up strong and have resources and provenance





MIT isn't spiky? How about JHU?


MIT social sciences are a monster. Only a philistine would think MIT isn’t an all round beast

JHU isn’t either - humanities are really strong at JHU. Jhu is like Chicago

Jhu is held back by location and absolutely shitty administration and QoL



A: Where do you go?
B: MIT
A: Whow, what's your major
B: History
A: Bummer


How often are you asked what you college major was? Also, who would be so rude as to make a disparaging remark about said major to your face? This just doesn't happen with normal, polite people.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Based on earlier comments, it sounds like people want to base academic rankings on job placement and salary statistics. Those two don’t necessarily correlate. If you’re comparing an Ivy classics major to a State U CS major, the comparison makes no sense from an academic perspective, but the CS major will have a higher salary. What’s the point of the ROI focus? To make the arts look bad? Don’t people already know which majors pay? ROI is a dumb way to rate academic excellence.


College degree is useless waste of money if you serve at a restaurant or make coffee at Starbucks afterwards.
It's not everything but most important factor



But you don't rank colleges on it, you might rank majors within colleges on it. So compare outcomes (e.g., salary at different time periods, grad school placement, student satisfaction) within majors. A college shouldn't be dinged because it has a strong history department that attracts history majors who may take longer to see an ROI compared to a college that has a crappy history department with no majors but a lot of sort of okay CS students. A tech school with a larger proportion of engineering majors will have higher first year salaries, but it's not like you can turn any kid into an engineering major--they have to want that and have that particular skill set and thus they go to a tech school. Doesn't make the school better than a LAC. Compare the bio majors at the tech school with the bio majors at the LAC.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There's a difference between top 5 and top 10. There's a difference between top 10 and top 15. There's a difference between top 15 and top 20.

No there is not, bird for brain. Even if you read USnews the difference between 15-20 is 3 points. The difference between Harvard and Emory is only 15 points. These schools are ELITE!


15 points is the difference between an A and a C. That’s a pretty big difference.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There's a difference between top 5 and top 10. There's a difference between top 10 and top 15. There's a difference between top 15 and top 20.

No there is not, bird for brain. Even if you read USnews the difference between 15-20 is 3 points. The difference between Harvard and Emory is only 15 points. These schools are ELITE!


15 points is the difference between an A and a C. That’s a pretty big difference.

Or an A and a B, if we're being more realistic.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Based on earlier comments, it sounds like people want to base academic rankings on job placement and salary statistics. Those two don’t necessarily correlate. If you’re comparing an Ivy classics major to a State U CS major, the comparison makes no sense from an academic perspective, but the CS major will have a higher salary. What’s the point of the ROI focus? To make the arts look bad? Don’t people already know which majors pay? ROI is a dumb way to rate academic excellence.


College degree is useless waste of money if you serve at a restaurant or make coffee at Starbucks afterwards.
It's not everything but most important factor



But you don't rank colleges on it, you might rank majors within colleges on it. So compare outcomes (e.g., salary at different time periods, grad school placement, student satisfaction) within majors. A college shouldn't be dinged because it has a strong history department that attracts history majors who may take longer to see an ROI compared to a college that has a crappy history department with no majors but a lot of sort of okay CS students. A tech school with a larger proportion of engineering majors will have higher first year salaries, but it's not like you can turn any kid into an engineering major--they have to want that and have that particular skill set and thus they go to a tech school. Doesn't make the school better than a LAC. Compare the bio majors at the tech school with the bio majors at the LAC.


There are rankings which have outcome as one of the criterion.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly it should be t15….

Under that you start getting “spiky” school….

Nd…Catholics
Vandy…sundresses
Emory, rice…south
CMU (I like CMU a lot)….tech, poor QoL, Pittsburgh meh
Gtown….shitty endowment, shitty facilities, kids don’t like it, great public/social science sector programs

The rough t15 are schools that are just straight up strong and have resources and provenance





MIT isn't spiky? How about JHU?


MIT social sciences are a monster. Only a philistine would think MIT isn’t an all round beast

JHU isn’t either - humanities are really strong at JHU. Jhu is like Chicago

Jhu is held back by location and absolutely shitty administration and QoL



A: Where do you go?
B: MIT
A: Whow, what's your major
B: History
A: Bummer


How often are you asked what you college major was? Also, who would be so rude as to make a disparaging remark about said major to your face? This just doesn't happen with normal, polite people.



A: Where do you go?
B: MIT
A: Whow, what's your major
B: History
A: (speaking to self) Bummer

Yes what's your major, what do you study is a common question.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There's a difference between top 5 and top 10. There's a difference between top 10 and top 15. There's a difference between top 15 and top 20.

No there is not, bird for brain. Even if you read USnews the difference between 15-20 is 3 points. The difference between Harvard and Emory is only 15 points. These schools are ELITE!


15 points is the difference between an A and a C. That’s a pretty big difference.

Or an A and a B, if we're being more realistic.


It's downright ridiculous to talk about the overall USNWR scores as if they're a report card. So Princeton gets an A+, Ohio State gets a D+, and the University of Vermont is a total failure? Good grief!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Honestly it should be t15….

Under that you start getting “spiky” school….

Nd…Catholics
Vandy…sundresses
Emory, rice…south
CMU (I like CMU a lot)….tech, poor QoL, Pittsburgh meh
Gtown….shitty endowment, shitty facilities, kids don’t like it, great public/social science sector programs

The rough t15 are schools that are just straight up strong and have resources and provenance





What do you have against sundresses? Other than CMU, I'm not sure that any of the ones you listed are particularly spiky.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly it should be t15….

Under that you start getting “spiky” school….

Nd…Catholics
Vandy…sundresses
Emory, rice…south
CMU (I like CMU a lot)….tech, poor QoL, Pittsburgh meh
Gtown….shitty endowment, shitty facilities, kids don’t like it, great public/social science sector programs

The rough t15 are schools that are just straight up strong and have resources and provenance





What do you have against sundresses? Other than CMU, I'm not sure that any of the ones you listed are particularly spiky.


Notre Dame is incredibly spiky -- demonstrated Catholics get an enormous boost in the application process. Coming from a Catholic HS, endorsement letters from the Diocese leaders, etc. Have a compelling Catholic-forward story for the "Why ND?" and you go into the preferred pile.

82% of students at Notre Dame are Catholic.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly it should be t15….

Under that you start getting “spiky” school….

Nd…Catholics
Vandy…sundresses
Emory, rice…south
CMU (I like CMU a lot)….tech, poor QoL, Pittsburgh meh
Gtown….shitty endowment, shitty facilities, kids don’t like it, great public/social science sector programs

The rough t15 are schools that are just straight up strong and have resources and provenance





What do you have against sundresses? Other than CMU, I'm not sure that any of the ones you listed are particularly spiky.


Notre Dame is incredibly spiky -- demonstrated Catholics get an enormous boost in the application process. Coming from a Catholic HS, endorsement letters from the Diocese leaders, etc. Have a compelling Catholic-forward story for the "Why ND?" and you go into the preferred pile.

82% of students at Notre Dame are Catholic.


It is a Catholic school.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly it should be t15….

Under that you start getting “spiky” school….

Nd…Catholics
Vandy…sundresses
Emory, rice…south
CMU (I like CMU a lot)….tech, poor QoL, Pittsburgh meh
Gtown….shitty endowment, shitty facilities, kids don’t like it, great public/social science sector programs

The rough t15 are schools that are just straight up strong and have resources and provenance





What do you have against sundresses? Other than CMU, I'm not sure that any of the ones you listed are particularly spiky.


Notre Dame is incredibly spiky -- demonstrated Catholics get an enormous boost in the application process. Coming from a Catholic HS, endorsement letters from the Diocese leaders, etc. Have a compelling Catholic-forward story for the "Why ND?" and you go into the preferred pile.

82% of students at Notre Dame are Catholic.


It is a Catholic school.


PP here. I know, I'm Catholic. Just pointing out it's absurd to suggest that ND isn't "spiky" but, say, CMU is. The gigantic spike in the sky is touchdown Jesus https://www.uhnd.com/history/touchdown-jesus/
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:WashU, Emory, Vanderbilt, Rice will fall as top students choose not to live in handmaiden states.


That's hilarious! Obviously, a stupid take from a logic perspective, but a really funny answer. Hahaha handmaid states....that is too funny. You do know Maryland and Virginia are southern states, right?
Anonymous
Washinton U, Vandy, Rice, Emory and Notre Dame will slide several places.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Washinton U, Vandy, Rice, Emory and Notre Dame will slide several places.


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