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Anonymous wrote:There is a FB group called PAGES Coalition that has been urging parents and teachers to submit fake positive results to MCPS to force MCPS to "re-evaluate their contribution to this public health crisis and to re-evaluate their choice for Interim Superintendent." Now we don't know what is real and what is fake.

https://twitter.com/OpenMCPS/status/1479057225586982917

I would like PAGES to address this in the group.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a FB group called PAGES Coalition that has been urging parents and teachers to submit fake positive results to MCPS to force MCPS to "re-evaluate their contribution to this public health crisis and to re-evaluate their choice for Interim Superintendent." Now we don't know what is real and what is fake.

https://twitter.com/OpenMCPS/status/1479057225586982917

I would like PAGES to address this in the group.

Stuff like this is why MCPS should be basing their percentage by actual in school testing rather than self reports. They have a testing program and should use it.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a FB group called PAGES Coalition that has been urging parents and teachers to submit fake positive results to MCPS to force MCPS to "re-evaluate their contribution to this public health crisis and to re-evaluate their choice for Interim Superintendent." Now we don't know what is real and what is fake.

https://twitter.com/OpenMCPS/status/1479057225586982917

I was told here that it was a preposterous concern that this would happen. I can probably go dig up 20 posts from the last two days alone. At least this is the first step toward MCPS abandoning the color-coded system.

Any comments from the "you're crazy, nobody would do this" crowd?

Sure, except you might not be talking to me, because I very clearly stated, multiple times, that SOMEONE could do this.

What I said is that it would be rare, statistically insignificant because it's stupid, will be followed up on by contact tracers, won't be counted automatically, and may have legal consequences.

I love how the "proof" this is totally happening or going to happen is an astroturf fake group with a few hundred members whose post by a fake admin about entering a ludicrous excuse that would be immediately flagged... was deleted.

I did say that some teens or unhinged adults might be stupid enough to try this!

So, yeah, you must not have been talking to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a FB group called PAGES Coalition that has been urging parents and teachers to submit fake positive results to MCPS to force MCPS to "re-evaluate their contribution to this public health crisis and to re-evaluate their choice for Interim Superintendent." Now we don't know what is real and what is fake.

https://twitter.com/OpenMCPS/status/1479057225586982917

I would like PAGES to address this in the group.

Stuff like this is why MCPS should be basing their percentage by actual in school testing rather than self reports. They have a testing program and should use it.

For this and many reasons, they shouldn't be using percentages. It's data that is meaningless, arbitrary, and can be manipulated. They should, though, look at staff absences. That is the only legitimate reasons that schools should be closed -- if they don't have enough staff to teach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a FB group called PAGES Coalition that has been urging parents and teachers to submit fake positive results to MCPS to force MCPS to "re-evaluate their contribution to this public health crisis and to re-evaluate their choice for Interim Superintendent." Now we don't know what is real and what is fake.

https://twitter.com/OpenMCPS/status/1479057225586982917

I would like PAGES to address this in the group.

Is it a secret group, or did they change their name? I couldn't easily find it on FB.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a FB group called PAGES Coalition that has been urging parents and teachers to submit fake positive results to MCPS to force MCPS to "re-evaluate their contribution to this public health crisis and to re-evaluate their choice for Interim Superintendent." Now we don't know what is real and what is fake.

https://twitter.com/OpenMCPS/status/1479057225586982917

I was told here that it was a preposterous concern that this would happen. I can probably go dig up 20 posts from the last two days alone. At least this is the first step toward MCPS abandoning the color-coded system.

Any comments from the "you're crazy, nobody would do this" crowd?

You sound like a paranoid Republican sharing a post from a fringe/possibly largely fake FB group saying "COME ON DEMOCRATS!!! LET'S WRANGLE UP ALL THE ILLLEEGALLS THAT ARE OUR MS-13 FREINDS AND RENT BUSSES TO TAKE THEM TO THE POLLS WE RIDE AT DAWN111!"

There were about 200 cases of potential voter fraud in the past 3 years, out of hundreds of millions of ballots cast.

That's because, in addition to people being mostly ethical, and it taking a lot of time and planning to even potentially pull off, it's high-risk and low-reward.

But you don't get nuance.

And you seem to be ignoring dozens and dozens of posts here (which also have a statistically low chance of validity) that say they are not going to test their kids at all, so they can keep numbers low.

It's of course much easier and less ethically taxing to simply not test your kid or be in denial about their sniffles than to participate in this alleged wacky scheme from "PAGES." But if I promise to believe very few people would do the former, do you promise to believe very few would do the latter?

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Our family is all Covid positive currently. Honestly, the symptoms are milder than any cold I’ve ever had. It’s an insult to colds to even compare it to that. A backache for a day was my only complaint. I’m sitting on a pile of rapid tests and read about backaches being a symptom, so I tested at home. I wouldn’t have bothered going out and getting a PCR for this.

I’m assuming it was Omicron since it was so mild. I wouldn’t worry too much about this variant. Case numbers appear shockingly high, but the data has decoupled and it doesn’t mean what it used to mean. Basically, high cases no longer mean high deaths. It’s a good thing and the hysteria will hopefully subside soon.

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Anonymous wrote:So is this how it’s going to go? Every night we sit on pins and needles to see if there is school the next day? Who thought this would be a good idea?

Awful system. Terrible leadership. How are parents supposed to operate in this environment? Needing childcare on a day's notice?

Yup. Ridiculous and unfathomable that anyone thought this was a good idea.

A lot of posters on DCUM?
Those who kept spewing "I don't care", "Omicron needs to burn through", "I'm living my life"?

No no no. We want schools open unless there is a reason to close them. So if too many staff are out then you go virtual not for an arbitrary period of time but for as long as necessary. Maybe 2 days. Maybe 10. It would be situation specific. All central office folks are subs. The NYC approach.

NYC has a terrible approach. Situation-specific is what's posing problems here. As I said two weeks ago, most families might have preferred to be able to plan ahead, let's say for a two week closure. But there were a heck ton of trolls who kept drowning out the discussion with insults and explanations for why closures would never happen, Omicron was milder than Delta, etc. Graphs were posted about hospitalization trends, data from the UK was shared about how their intense Omicron wave was paralyzing the country (they're starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel, it seems, now!), but precious few were ready to listen, and those people were told to go hide in their basement.

So now MCPS families are in this mess, somewhat of their own making, if you believe that administration responds to population demands, as it surely does.

You guys are hilarious if you think MCPS makes decisions based on DCUM trolls.

My biggest frustration with the plan was they didn’t communicate when the 14 day clock started- I think there were a lot of parents who thought it would start on Jan. 3, not over break. I’m willing to be that some of these red schools are more of a reflection of parents actually reporting to MCPS rather than disproportionately higher rates in that neighborhood.

Me too!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a FB group called PAGES Coalition that has been urging parents and teachers to submit fake positive results to MCPS to force MCPS to "re-evaluate their contribution to this public health crisis and to re-evaluate their choice for Interim Superintendent." Now we don't know what is real and what is fake.

https://twitter.com/OpenMCPS/status/1479057225586982917

I would like PAGES to address this in the group.

Is it a secret group, or did they change their name? I couldn't easily find it on FB.

Yes, secret. They are worried about being "infiltrated" by members TogetherAgainMCPS, which they perceive to be Covid-irresponsible and unsupportive of teachers' health and workplace concerns. TogetherAgainMCPS is the group they compete with to secure limited community member speaking slots at BOE meetings.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a FB group called PAGES Coalition that has been urging parents and teachers to submit fake positive results to MCPS to force MCPS to "re-evaluate their contribution to this public health crisis and to re-evaluate their choice for Interim Superintendent." Now we don't know what is real and what is fake.

https://twitter.com/OpenMCPS/status/1479057225586982917

I would like PAGES to address this in the group.

Is it a secret group, or did they change their name? I couldn't easily find it on FB.

Yes, secret. They are worried about being "infiltrated" by members TogetherAgainMCPS, which they perceive to be Covid-irresponsible and unsupportive of teachers' health and workplace concerns. TogetherAgainMCPS is the group they compete with to secure limited community member speaking slots at BOE meetings.

TogetherAgain also encouraged this same type of behavior last year, encouraging people to make fake emails to send multiple board messages to appear as if more people were on their side. I was a member for a whole day before I quit because of that.

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Anonymous wrote:I am still boggled by a parent who thinks the right lesson here is to te their teen that everyone else having to suffer so they can have algebra is the right call.

Sure, sweetie! Baba Jean and your physics teacher died alone choking on their mucous, but the important thing here is they did it so YOU COULD GO TO EMORY!

Cases have gone up but the death rate has remained relatively low during this surge due to these things called vaccines. the risk of severe, fatal Covid is low. There’s no true benefit to closing schools right now. The 2020 playbook doesn’t apply to the 2022 virus.

The benefit is stopping the spread.

Okayyyy—but let’s keep restaurants bars gyms hair salons etc open bc schools are the true super spreaders.

I have literally not heard a single person say that schools should close while all of those other things stay open. I absolutely think all of those things should close now, preferably before schools, but MCPS can't order the bars closed. The only thing they *can* do is close schools (which, given staffing issues, is as much a logistical necessity as anything else).

Correct.

The fact that we keep having this same argument over and over again and the sad remain person brings up the same points every time *may* indicate there's something questionable about them besides a lack of imagination.

MCPS does not control those things, they only control the schools. That is a county discussion which has nothing to do with MCPS. As an adult, you need to use good judgement and stop the spread. If you cannot self regulate and not go to a movie theater, bar, or indoor dining right now you have far bigger issues than covid.

Businesses are already closing on their own. They aren’t stupid. Staff is out sick and they can only handle limited business. All Apple stores closed last week in DC and NYC.

Big deal--apple stores closed. Last time I looked, restaurants in this area are packed, bars are open, people are out and about shopping at malls, etc. Schools need to be the LAST to close after everything else shuts down. Community spread is not related to schools being open. It's happening regardless of whether you shut the school down or not. I think we saw this movie play out before.

How would you know except if you were going to all these places? I haven't been to a mail in two years and we are very limited to carry out choices as we will not go inside a restaurant.

MCPS cannot make the decision to close down businesses, only the county so they are two separate issues. Yes, they should be closed, but they aren't. So, back to what MCPS can do.

I am shocked by the number of you that are hunkered down like we’re in the apocalypse. I don’t personally eat out at crowded restaurants, but I go to stores, I go to Starbucks, I’m out running errands, I’ve been to a mall (oh no!!) and am basically living a normal life. Some of you really need to get out more.

At the same time when these people finally venture out, life is going to be like a free trip to Disney World. A grocery story is going to be awash in colors, knick knacks, new technologies, and so on. It'll be like seeing the world through a toddler's eyes again. That's cool I guess.

So true, lol. I took my kids to Wegmans for the first time in June after them never going anywhere indoors but school for 16 months. They were so happy! It takes so little to please them now. Every lame outing in an adventure because they are so rare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a FB group called PAGES Coalition that has been urging parents and teachers to submit fake positive results to MCPS to force MCPS to "re-evaluate their contribution to this public health crisis and to re-evaluate their choice for Interim Superintendent." Now we don't know what is real and what is fake.

https://twitter.com/OpenMCPS/status/1479057225586982917

I would like PAGES to address this in the group.

Expanding on my comment above, I would like to know if That person was acting on behalf of all of the moderators in the group, if it was a fake account (I don’t recall seeing that person before), or why it was deleted. It was surprising to see that action item and if it was a mistake then they should say it was.

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Pages sounds like a project veritas op.

I was in together again for a while too. From the research I did into its organizers, I found a lot of conservative Virginians. Not really a stretch to assume they're part of the whole disrupt board meetings, discredit teachers, and tear apart unions crowd.

Not all of them. My child's pediatrician was a member, and had some rational arguments for her concerns. But that is the problem: it's easy for fringe elements to manipulate others under the guise of rational policy. She just wanted schools open in the spring. They want school systems to fail catastrophically so they can profit from the carcasses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a FB group called PAGES Coalition that has been urging parents and teachers to submit fake positive results to MCPS to force MCPS to "re-evaluate their contribution to this public health crisis and to re-evaluate their choice for Interim Superintendent." Now we don't know what is real and what is fake.

https://twitter.com/OpenMCPS/status/1479057225586982917

I would like PAGES to address this in the group.

I'm in that group, and that was up for a very short period of time. All the comments were pretty unanimously saying "no, don't do that" and the OP agreed and quickly edited the post to remove that part of the post. And then the whole post seems to have been deleted.

If anyone did it at all (I doubt it's more than a handful, if that), it's surely balanced out by the underreporting from 1) anti-virtual parents saying "don't report positive cases" (I have seen that going around on Twitter and on here 2) families who haven't reported because they don't know about the form or haven't bothered to use it; and 3) people who are positive but don't know they're positive because they haven't tested.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a FB group called PAGES Coalition that has been urging parents and teachers to submit fake positive results to MCPS to force MCPS to "re-evaluate their contribution to this public health crisis and to re-evaluate their choice for Interim Superintendent." Now we don't know what is real and what is fake.

https://twitter.com/OpenMCPS/status/1479057225586982917

I would like PAGES to address this in the group.

Is it a secret group, or did they change their name? I couldn't easily find it on FB.

Yes, secret. They are worried about being "infiltrated" by members TogetherAgainMCPS, which they perceive to be Covid-irresponsible and unsupportive of teachers' health and workplace concerns. TogetherAgainMCPS is the group they compete with to secure limited community member speaking slots at BOE meetings.

We're all doomed.