Anti-Racism Assembly Today?

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Anonymous wrote:As this thread demonstrates, this anti racism (really race essentialism) is poison. It’s not effective or productive.

while I do think we need data to determine whether or not particular interventions are useful, this conclusion is overwrought, particularly in light of the fact that the people participating in this thread are not the same people who participated in the trainings.

Not true. I attended Doyin’s training.

okay so there's one exception

Why does it matter who attended the training? The OP’s kid was distraught by it. That’s what started this whole thread.

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Anonymous wrote:As this thread demonstrates, this anti racism (really race essentialism) is poison. It’s not effective or productive.

while I do think we need data to determine whether or not particular interventions are useful, this conclusion is overwrought, particularly in light of the fact that the people participating in this thread are not the same people who participated in the trainings.

Not true. I attended Doyin’s training.

okay so there's one exception

Why does it matter who attended the training? The OP’s kid was distraught by it. That’s what started this whole thread.

The overall conclusion (it's poison; ineffective; counterproductive) is too broad for this anecdote.

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Anonymous wrote:Hmmm... So are we saying that Doyin Richards' antiracism fist club belongs to the 'white fragility' DiAngelo school of thought? As opposed to Kendi's or some other? And if not, why are there 20 posts about what some white woman thinks about racims??

I think the Diangelo school of thought is on display in this thread. That's why she got brought up.

I'm not sure if you are suggesting that you haven't heard of Diangelo ("some white woman"). She's a very popular anti-racism lecturer, and every white woman and their mother has been told to read White Fragility. She's widely discussed alongside Kendi, with others in the press comparing their approaches.

Popularity means nothing to me. Trump is popular yet I have no respect for him or his ideas. Ditto for DiAngelo. That her ideas should be taught to elementary kids whose critical thinking skills are close to non-existent is pretty irritating to me (not as irritating as Trump's ramblings, for sure, but still, I would think a school principal would do better).

Are you the person who wrote the initial comment here ("So are we saying...")?

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Anonymous wrote:I know you’re not going to like this point, but it’s the epitome of privilege to think that you should be able to set the terms for discussions of racism. This is an uncomfortable topic of conversation and it sounds like the principal did a solid amount of frontloading prior to the session.

You are welcome to your views on how racism should be discussed but if you are trying tell me that "I" and other white people MUST discuss racism without regard to how we view the conversation, then it's the epitome of foolishness to think we are ever going to engage in an honest conversation with you about anything. Doyin Richards was obnoxious, referring to hypothetical white kids as "Little Ainsley" and "Little Connor" . His disdain for White people was evident. If my pointing that out makes you think I am privileged, then please explain to everyone and me why we should allow a man like that to talk to our children like he is some kind of respected authority figure they should listen to. He is not. Shame on Janney for bringing him into this important conversation. Oh, and of course, I don't actually expect you to explain anything since, you know, I'm privileged and therefore my opinions and feelings are not worthy of your consideration. Yeah, good luck with that attitude.

TL;DR: if you don't talk about racism in a way that feels friendly and warm enough, I retain the right to remain racist, out of spite.

LOL. You wish. Just because you are a moron doesn't make me a racist. Its people like you that will make this anti-racism movement backfire in the worst way possible. And do you know what that means? It means that your perfectly normal neighbors and friends who admit they are, to an extent, racist in an effort to become an "ally in training" will instead get sick of your putting them down and "in their place". Just go on ahead and continue acting like an ass. People will only put with your shit for so long, then they will decide you are not worth the effort.

Literally you just argued that people who YOU ADMIT are somewhat racist will continue to be racist because someone was mean to them.

White are people are constantly told "this is hard work" becoming an anti-racist. The "hard work" should mean that its hard to look at your long-held assumptions, behaviors and thoughts (both conscious and unconscious) and admit they are the result of growing up White in a racist society. That IS hard for many White people to do but we are out there and willing to do THAT kind of hard work. But when the "hard work" means we have to accept that our feelings will automatically and forever be ignored - no matter what they are or why we have them - just because we are White? Yeah, that's just not normal human behavior. I'm not going to do that, and I will also make sure my children do not do that. Once you stop treating me a like a dog and getting mad because I won't accept it - then we can talk about how I can be an "ally in training"

What are the thoughts and feelings you're not allowed to express and to whom?

Np. Well, for example, anything the thoughtful PP puts in an answer to you will be dismissed, attacked, or used to promote your characterization of the PP as a racist. No one is permitted to have thoughts, feelings, or to formulate ideas that don't align with anti-racist dogma, so the only option is be silent and internalize that one's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter. No one wants to hear then.

DP but this playing the victim stuff is exactly what I think (but could be wrong) that others were saying earlier on this thread

This is not about playing the victim. It’s about asking humans to completely ignore some important aspects of being human (listening to others and being listened to).If you are being asked to be part of a discussion but are told that your thoughts and feelings and opinions won’t count, then it’s not really a discussion is it?

How hyper-dramatic. "One's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter." Maybe about one particular area. Maybe, indeed, your thoughts or feelings in certain areas or at certain times don't actually matter, or expressing them in certain ways is indeed inappropriate.

This is how life is for someone who isn't a narcissist. Every parent in here has had to swallow their feelings or pride at some point or another. Everyone who has had to shut their mouth around a friend before. Maybe you had to sincerely apologize to a family member in order to repair a relationship.

I just find it odd when people who are otherwise understanding and able to control themselves suddenly find themselves in extremes of "I MUST EXPRESS MYSELF FULLY AND COMPLETELY WITH NO CONSEQUENCES," when the subject is anti-racism.

Right. So you are saying that white people can't say anything critical about anything characterized as "anti-racist." We get it.

I guess if you want to ignore all of the nuances of everything I said, sure, that's your takeaway.

There is nothing nuanced about what you said. You are just being emotionally and intellectually dishonest. I bet you are White and feeling really good about yourself right now. I get it - guilt sucks. Hope this “dialogue” is making you feel better than the rest of us White miscreants.

Oh I like this game! I bet you are antisocial, always getting in fights with others, and a coward. And I bet everything is always someone else’s fault.

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Anonymous wrote:I know you’re not going to like this point, but it’s the epitome of privilege to think that you should be able to set the terms for discussions of racism. This is an uncomfortable topic of conversation and it sounds like the principal did a solid amount of frontloading prior to the session.

You are welcome to your views on how racism should be discussed but if you are trying tell me that "I" and other white people MUST discuss racism without regard to how we view the conversation, then it's the epitome of foolishness to think we are ever going to engage in an honest conversation with you about anything. Doyin Richards was obnoxious, referring to hypothetical white kids as "Little Ainsley" and "Little Connor" . His disdain for White people was evident. If my pointing that out makes you think I am privileged, then please explain to everyone and me why we should allow a man like that to talk to our children like he is some kind of respected authority figure they should listen to. He is not. Shame on Janney for bringing him into this important conversation. Oh, and of course, I don't actually expect you to explain anything since, you know, I'm privileged and therefore my opinions and feelings are not worthy of your consideration. Yeah, good luck with that attitude.

TL;DR: if you don't talk about racism in a way that feels friendly and warm enough, I retain the right to remain racist, out of spite.

LOL. You wish. Just because you are a moron doesn't make me a racist. Its people like you that will make this anti-racism movement backfire in the worst way possible. And do you know what that means? It means that your perfectly normal neighbors and friends who admit they are, to an extent, racist in an effort to become an "ally in training" will instead get sick of your putting them down and "in their place". Just go on ahead and continue acting like an ass. People will only put with your shit for so long, then they will decide you are not worth the effort.

Literally you just argued that people who YOU ADMIT are somewhat racist will continue to be racist because someone was mean to them.

White are people are constantly told "this is hard work" becoming an anti-racist. The "hard work" should mean that its hard to look at your long-held assumptions, behaviors and thoughts (both conscious and unconscious) and admit they are the result of growing up White in a racist society. That IS hard for many White people to do but we are out there and willing to do THAT kind of hard work. But when the "hard work" means we have to accept that our feelings will automatically and forever be ignored - no matter what they are or why we have them - just because we are White? Yeah, that's just not normal human behavior. I'm not going to do that, and I will also make sure my children do not do that. Once you stop treating me a like a dog and getting mad because I won't accept it - then we can talk about how I can be an "ally in training"

What are the thoughts and feelings you're not allowed to express and to whom?

Np. Well, for example, anything the thoughtful PP puts in an answer to you will be dismissed, attacked, or used to promote your characterization of the PP as a racist. No one is permitted to have thoughts, feelings, or to formulate ideas that don't align with anti-racist dogma, so the only option is be silent and internalize that one's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter. No one wants to hear then.

You are permitted to have whatever thoughts or feelings you want. It just turns out that when you express some particular thoughts, people respond negatively saying "uh, that was racist" or "wow that's weaponizing your guilt," or "you're making yourself the center of attention."

Somehow everyone else is the problem when your ONE WEIRD THOUGHT keeps getting negative responses.

This. What people mean when they say “my thoughts don’t matter” is actually “I don’t like to get called out on my BS and I think I should be able to say whatever I want without consequence.”

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Anonymous wrote:I know you’re not going to like this point, but it’s the epitome of privilege to think that you should be able to set the terms for discussions of racism. This is an uncomfortable topic of conversation and it sounds like the principal did a solid amount of frontloading prior to the session.

You are welcome to your views on how racism should be discussed but if you are trying tell me that "I" and other white people MUST discuss racism without regard to how we view the conversation, then it's the epitome of foolishness to think we are ever going to engage in an honest conversation with you about anything. Doyin Richards was obnoxious, referring to hypothetical white kids as "Little Ainsley" and "Little Connor" . His disdain for White people was evident. If my pointing that out makes you think I am privileged, then please explain to everyone and me why we should allow a man like that to talk to our children like he is some kind of respected authority figure they should listen to. He is not. Shame on Janney for bringing him into this important conversation. Oh, and of course, I don't actually expect you to explain anything since, you know, I'm privileged and therefore my opinions and feelings are not worthy of your consideration. Yeah, good luck with that attitude.

TL;DR: if you don't talk about racism in a way that feels friendly and warm enough, I retain the right to remain racist, out of spite.

LOL. You wish. Just because you are a moron doesn't make me a racist. Its people like you that will make this anti-racism movement backfire in the worst way possible. And do you know what that means? It means that your perfectly normal neighbors and friends who admit they are, to an extent, racist in an effort to become an "ally in training" will instead get sick of your putting them down and "in their place". Just go on ahead and continue acting like an ass. People will only put with your shit for so long, then they will decide you are not worth the effort.

Literally you just argued that people who YOU ADMIT are somewhat racist will continue to be racist because someone was mean to them.

White are people are constantly told "this is hard work" becoming an anti-racist. The "hard work" should mean that its hard to look at your long-held assumptions, behaviors and thoughts (both conscious and unconscious) and admit they are the result of growing up White in a racist society. That IS hard for many White people to do but we are out there and willing to do THAT kind of hard work. But when the "hard work" means we have to accept that our feelings will automatically and forever be ignored - no matter what they are or why we have them - just because we are White? Yeah, that's just not normal human behavior. I'm not going to do that, and I will also make sure my children do not do that. Once you stop treating me a like a dog and getting mad because I won't accept it - then we can talk about how I can be an "ally in training"

What are the thoughts and feelings you're not allowed to express and to whom?

Np. Well, for example, anything the thoughtful PP puts in an answer to you will be dismissed, attacked, or used to promote your characterization of the PP as a racist. No one is permitted to have thoughts, feelings, or to formulate ideas that don't align with anti-racist dogma, so the only option is be silent and internalize that one's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter. No one wants to hear then.

“I want to be able to say racist things without being called a racist.”

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Anonymous wrote:I know you’re not going to like this point, but it’s the epitome of privilege to think that you should be able to set the terms for discussions of racism. This is an uncomfortable topic of conversation and it sounds like the principal did a solid amount of frontloading prior to the session.

You are welcome to your views on how racism should be discussed but if you are trying tell me that "I" and other white people MUST discuss racism without regard to how we view the conversation, then it's the epitome of foolishness to think we are ever going to engage in an honest conversation with you about anything. Doyin Richards was obnoxious, referring to hypothetical white kids as "Little Ainsley" and "Little Connor" . His disdain for White people was evident. If my pointing that out makes you think I am privileged, then please explain to everyone and me why we should allow a man like that to talk to our children like he is some kind of respected authority figure they should listen to. He is not. Shame on Janney for bringing him into this important conversation. Oh, and of course, I don't actually expect you to explain anything since, you know, I'm privileged and therefore my opinions and feelings are not worthy of your consideration. Yeah, good luck with that attitude.

TL;DR: if you don't talk about racism in a way that feels friendly and warm enough, I retain the right to remain racist, out of spite.

LOL. You wish. Just because you are a moron doesn't make me a racist. Its people like you that will make this anti-racism movement backfire in the worst way possible. And do you know what that means? It means that your perfectly normal neighbors and friends who admit they are, to an extent, racist in an effort to become an "ally in training" will instead get sick of your putting them down and "in their place". Just go on ahead and continue acting like an ass. People will only put with your shit for so long, then they will decide you are not worth the effort.

Literally you just argued that people who YOU ADMIT are somewhat racist will continue to be racist because someone was mean to them.

White are people are constantly told "this is hard work" becoming an anti-racist. The "hard work" should mean that its hard to look at your long-held assumptions, behaviors and thoughts (both conscious and unconscious) and admit they are the result of growing up White in a racist society. That IS hard for many White people to do but we are out there and willing to do THAT kind of hard work. But when the "hard work" means we have to accept that our feelings will automatically and forever be ignored - no matter what they are or why we have them - just because we are White? Yeah, that's just not normal human behavior. I'm not going to do that, and I will also make sure my children do not do that. Once you stop treating me a like a dog and getting mad because I won't accept it - then we can talk about how I can be an "ally in training"

What are the thoughts and feelings you're not allowed to express and to whom?

Np. Well, for example, anything the thoughtful PP puts in an answer to you will be dismissed, attacked, or used to promote your characterization of the PP as a racist. No one is permitted to have thoughts, feelings, or to formulate ideas that don't align with anti-racist dogma, so the only option is be silent and internalize that one's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter. No one wants to hear then.

“I want to be able to say racist things without being called a racist.”

And you just proved their point….

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The sheer lunacy of the previous posters says it all.

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Anonymous wrote:I know you’re not going to like this point, but it’s the epitome of privilege to think that you should be able to set the terms for discussions of racism. This is an uncomfortable topic of conversation and it sounds like the principal did a solid amount of frontloading prior to the session.

You are welcome to your views on how racism should be discussed but if you are trying tell me that "I" and other white people MUST discuss racism without regard to how we view the conversation, then it's the epitome of foolishness to think we are ever going to engage in an honest conversation with you about anything. Doyin Richards was obnoxious, referring to hypothetical white kids as "Little Ainsley" and "Little Connor" . His disdain for White people was evident. If my pointing that out makes you think I am privileged, then please explain to everyone and me why we should allow a man like that to talk to our children like he is some kind of respected authority figure they should listen to. He is not. Shame on Janney for bringing him into this important conversation. Oh, and of course, I don't actually expect you to explain anything since, you know, I'm privileged and therefore my opinions and feelings are not worthy of your consideration. Yeah, good luck with that attitude.

TL;DR: if you don't talk about racism in a way that feels friendly and warm enough, I retain the right to remain racist, out of spite.

LOL. You wish. Just because you are a moron doesn't make me a racist. Its people like you that will make this anti-racism movement backfire in the worst way possible. And do you know what that means? It means that your perfectly normal neighbors and friends who admit they are, to an extent, racist in an effort to become an "ally in training" will instead get sick of your putting them down and "in their place". Just go on ahead and continue acting like an ass. People will only put with your shit for so long, then they will decide you are not worth the effort.

Literally you just argued that people who YOU ADMIT are somewhat racist will continue to be racist because someone was mean to them.

White are people are constantly told "this is hard work" becoming an anti-racist. The "hard work" should mean that its hard to look at your long-held assumptions, behaviors and thoughts (both conscious and unconscious) and admit they are the result of growing up White in a racist society. That IS hard for many White people to do but we are out there and willing to do THAT kind of hard work. But when the "hard work" means we have to accept that our feelings will automatically and forever be ignored - no matter what they are or why we have them - just because we are White? Yeah, that's just not normal human behavior. I'm not going to do that, and I will also make sure my children do not do that. Once you stop treating me a like a dog and getting mad because I won't accept it - then we can talk about how I can be an "ally in training"

What are the thoughts and feelings you're not allowed to express and to whom?

Np. Well, for example, anything the thoughtful PP puts in an answer to you will be dismissed, attacked, or used to promote your characterization of the PP as a racist. No one is permitted to have thoughts, feelings, or to formulate ideas that don't align with anti-racist dogma, so the only option is be silent and internalize that one's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter. No one wants to hear then.

DP but this playing the victim stuff is exactly what I think (but could be wrong) that others were saying earlier on this thread

This is not about playing the victim. It’s about asking humans to completely ignore some important aspects of being human (listening to others and being listened to).If you are being asked to be part of a discussion but are told that your thoughts and feelings and opinions won’t count, then it’s not really a discussion is it?

How hyper-dramatic. "One's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter." Maybe about one particular area. Maybe, indeed, your thoughts or feelings in certain areas or at certain times don't actually matter, or expressing them in certain ways is indeed inappropriate.

This is how life is for someone who isn't a narcissist. Every parent in here has had to swallow their feelings or pride at some point or another. Everyone who has had to shut their mouth around a friend before. Maybe you had to sincerely apologize to a family member in order to repair a relationship.

I just find it odd when people who are otherwise understanding and able to control themselves suddenly find themselves in extremes of "I MUST EXPRESS MYSELF FULLY AND COMPLETELY WITH NO CONSEQUENCES," when the subject is anti-racism.

Right. So you are saying that white people can't say anything critical about anything characterized as "anti-racist." We get it.

I guess if you want to ignore all of the nuances of everything I said, sure, that's your takeaway.

There is nothing nuanced about what you said. You are just being emotionally and intellectually dishonest. I bet you are White and feeling really good about yourself right now. I get it - guilt sucks. Hope this “dialogue” is making you feel better than the rest of us White miscreants.

Oh I like this game! I bet you are antisocial, always getting in fights with others, and a coward. And I bet everything is always someone else’s fault.

lol

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Anonymous wrote:I know you’re not going to like this point, but it’s the epitome of privilege to think that you should be able to set the terms for discussions of racism. This is an uncomfortable topic of conversation and it sounds like the principal did a solid amount of frontloading prior to the session.

You are welcome to your views on how racism should be discussed but if you are trying tell me that "I" and other white people MUST discuss racism without regard to how we view the conversation, then it's the epitome of foolishness to think we are ever going to engage in an honest conversation with you about anything. Doyin Richards was obnoxious, referring to hypothetical white kids as "Little Ainsley" and "Little Connor" . His disdain for White people was evident. If my pointing that out makes you think I am privileged, then please explain to everyone and me why we should allow a man like that to talk to our children like he is some kind of respected authority figure they should listen to. He is not. Shame on Janney for bringing him into this important conversation. Oh, and of course, I don't actually expect you to explain anything since, you know, I'm privileged and therefore my opinions and feelings are not worthy of your consideration. Yeah, good luck with that attitude.

TL;DR: if you don't talk about racism in a way that feels friendly and warm enough, I retain the right to remain racist, out of spite.

LOL. You wish. Just because you are a moron doesn't make me a racist. Its people like you that will make this anti-racism movement backfire in the worst way possible. And do you know what that means? It means that your perfectly normal neighbors and friends who admit they are, to an extent, racist in an effort to become an "ally in training" will instead get sick of your putting them down and "in their place". Just go on ahead and continue acting like an ass. People will only put with your shit for so long, then they will decide you are not worth the effort.

Literally you just argued that people who YOU ADMIT are somewhat racist will continue to be racist because someone was mean to them.

White are people are constantly told "this is hard work" becoming an anti-racist. The "hard work" should mean that its hard to look at your long-held assumptions, behaviors and thoughts (both conscious and unconscious) and admit they are the result of growing up White in a racist society. That IS hard for many White people to do but we are out there and willing to do THAT kind of hard work. But when the "hard work" means we have to accept that our feelings will automatically and forever be ignored - no matter what they are or why we have them - just because we are White? Yeah, that's just not normal human behavior. I'm not going to do that, and I will also make sure my children do not do that. Once you stop treating me a like a dog and getting mad because I won't accept it - then we can talk about how I can be an "ally in training"

What are the thoughts and feelings you're not allowed to express and to whom?

Np. Well, for example, anything the thoughtful PP puts in an answer to you will be dismissed, attacked, or used to promote your characterization of the PP as a racist. No one is permitted to have thoughts, feelings, or to formulate ideas that don't align with anti-racist dogma, so the only option is be silent and internalize that one's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter. No one wants to hear then.

“I want to be able to say racist things without being called a racist.”

And you just proved their point….

i mean, they could go ahead and tell us what it is and prove us wrong...

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Asked my first grader about it and he told me "white people used to own black people but now we had President Obama." Okaaaaaay. I don't find that in the least offensive but clearly whatever it is they were teaching went waaaay over at least one first grader's head.

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like if you have a thought and your first response is "if i say it out loud probably the people around me will think i'm racist," then i hate to tell you but...

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Anonymous wrote:I know you’re not going to like this point, but it’s the epitome of privilege to think that you should be able to set the terms for discussions of racism. This is an uncomfortable topic of conversation and it sounds like the principal did a solid amount of frontloading prior to the session.

You are welcome to your views on how racism should be discussed but if you are trying tell me that "I" and other white people MUST discuss racism without regard to how we view the conversation, then it's the epitome of foolishness to think we are ever going to engage in an honest conversation with you about anything. Doyin Richards was obnoxious, referring to hypothetical white kids as "Little Ainsley" and "Little Connor" . His disdain for White people was evident. If my pointing that out makes you think I am privileged, then please explain to everyone and me why we should allow a man like that to talk to our children like he is some kind of respected authority figure they should listen to. He is not. Shame on Janney for bringing him into this important conversation. Oh, and of course, I don't actually expect you to explain anything since, you know, I'm privileged and therefore my opinions and feelings are not worthy of your consideration. Yeah, good luck with that attitude.

TL;DR: if you don't talk about racism in a way that feels friendly and warm enough, I retain the right to remain racist, out of spite.

LOL. You wish. Just because you are a moron doesn't make me a racist. Its people like you that will make this anti-racism movement backfire in the worst way possible. And do you know what that means? It means that your perfectly normal neighbors and friends who admit they are, to an extent, racist in an effort to become an "ally in training" will instead get sick of your putting them down and "in their place". Just go on ahead and continue acting like an ass. People will only put with your shit for so long, then they will decide you are not worth the effort.

Literally you just argued that people who YOU ADMIT are somewhat racist will continue to be racist because someone was mean to them.

White are people are constantly told "this is hard work" becoming an anti-racist. The "hard work" should mean that its hard to look at your long-held assumptions, behaviors and thoughts (both conscious and unconscious) and admit they are the result of growing up White in a racist society. That IS hard for many White people to do but we are out there and willing to do THAT kind of hard work. But when the "hard work" means we have to accept that our feelings will automatically and forever be ignored - no matter what they are or why we have them - just because we are White? Yeah, that's just not normal human behavior. I'm not going to do that, and I will also make sure my children do not do that. Once you stop treating me a like a dog and getting mad because I won't accept it - then we can talk about how I can be an "ally in training"

What are the thoughts and feelings you're not allowed to express and to whom?

Np. Well, for example, anything the thoughtful PP puts in an answer to you will be dismissed, attacked, or used to promote your characterization of the PP as a racist. No one is permitted to have thoughts, feelings, or to formulate ideas that don't align with anti-racist dogma, so the only option is be silent and internalize that one's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter. No one wants to hear then.

“I want to be able to say racist things without being called a racist.”

And you just proved their point….

i mean, they could go ahead and tell us what it is and prove us wrong...

I don't want my children being forced to listen to a presenter who mocks White children's names. So there. Am I racist because the presenter is Black and I am White? Or just fragile because Black children get mocked all the time? OR perhaps I am a White parent with a valid concern? Thoughts? (Come on! I know you all have some!)

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Anonymous wrote:Asked my first grader about it and he told me "white people used to own black people but now we had President Obama." Okaaaaaay. I don't find that in the least offensive but clearly whatever it is they were teaching went waaaay over at least one first grader's head.

I learned a new tidbit today that they referred to the people who stormed the capital as an example of racists and in that discussion they must have referenced republicans because my son also asked why republicans are racist. This completed what my PK child got which is that all white bad, in particular old white people, are “bad men”

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Anonymous wrote:I know you’re not going to like this point, but it’s the epitome of privilege to think that you should be able to set the terms for discussions of racism. This is an uncomfortable topic of conversation and it sounds like the principal did a solid amount of frontloading prior to the session.

You are welcome to your views on how racism should be discussed but if you are trying tell me that "I" and other white people MUST discuss racism without regard to how we view the conversation, then it's the epitome of foolishness to think we are ever going to engage in an honest conversation with you about anything. Doyin Richards was obnoxious, referring to hypothetical white kids as "Little Ainsley" and "Little Connor" . His disdain for White people was evident. If my pointing that out makes you think I am privileged, then please explain to everyone and me why we should allow a man like that to talk to our children like he is some kind of respected authority figure they should listen to. He is not. Shame on Janney for bringing him into this important conversation. Oh, and of course, I don't actually expect you to explain anything since, you know, I'm privileged and therefore my opinions and feelings are not worthy of your consideration. Yeah, good luck with that attitude.

TL;DR: if you don't talk about racism in a way that feels friendly and warm enough, I retain the right to remain racist, out of spite.

LOL. You wish. Just because you are a moron doesn't make me a racist. Its people like you that will make this anti-racism movement backfire in the worst way possible. And do you know what that means? It means that your perfectly normal neighbors and friends who admit they are, to an extent, racist in an effort to become an "ally in training" will instead get sick of your putting them down and "in their place". Just go on ahead and continue acting like an ass. People will only put with your shit for so long, then they will decide you are not worth the effort.

Literally you just argued that people who YOU ADMIT are somewhat racist will continue to be racist because someone was mean to them.

White are people are constantly told "this is hard work" becoming an anti-racist. The "hard work" should mean that its hard to look at your long-held assumptions, behaviors and thoughts (both conscious and unconscious) and admit they are the result of growing up White in a racist society. That IS hard for many White people to do but we are out there and willing to do THAT kind of hard work. But when the "hard work" means we have to accept that our feelings will automatically and forever be ignored - no matter what they are or why we have them - just because we are White? Yeah, that's just not normal human behavior. I'm not going to do that, and I will also make sure my children do not do that. Once you stop treating me a like a dog and getting mad because I won't accept it - then we can talk about how I can be an "ally in training"

What are the thoughts and feelings you're not allowed to express and to whom?

Np. Well, for example, anything the thoughtful PP puts in an answer to you will be dismissed, attacked, or used to promote your characterization of the PP as a racist. No one is permitted to have thoughts, feelings, or to formulate ideas that don't align with anti-racist dogma, so the only option is be silent and internalize that one's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter. No one wants to hear then.

“I want to be able to say racist things without being called a racist.”

And you just proved their point….

i mean, they could go ahead and tell us what it is and prove us wrong...

I don't want my children being forced to listen to a presenter who mocks White children's names. So there. Am I racist because the presenter is Black and I am White? Or just fragile because Black children get mocked all the time? OR perhaps I am a White parent with a valid concern? Thoughts? (Come on! I know you all have some!)

The conversation was particularly confusing for mixed race kids. These discussions rarely properly address mixed races leaving such kids feeling very confused and out of sorts with their identity