Anti-Racism Assembly Today?

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Anonymous wrote:I know you’re not going to like this point, but it’s the epitome of privilege to think that you should be able to set the terms for discussions of racism. This is an uncomfortable topic of conversation and it sounds like the principal did a solid amount of frontloading prior to the session.

You are welcome to your views on how racism should be discussed but if you are trying tell me that "I" and other white people MUST discuss racism without regard to how we view the conversation, then it's the epitome of foolishness to think we are ever going to engage in an honest conversation with you about anything. Doyin Richards was obnoxious, referring to hypothetical white kids as "Little Ainsley" and "Little Connor" . His disdain for White people was evident. If my pointing that out makes you think I am privileged, then please explain to everyone and me why we should allow a man like that to talk to our children like he is some kind of respected authority figure they should listen to. He is not. Shame on Janney for bringing him into this important conversation. Oh, and of course, I don't actually expect you to explain anything since, you know, I'm privileged and therefore my opinions and feelings are not worthy of your consideration. Yeah, good luck with that attitude.

TL;DR: if you don't talk about racism in a way that feels friendly and warm enough, I retain the right to remain racist, out of spite.

LOL. You wish. Just because you are a moron doesn't make me a racist. Its people like you that will make this anti-racism movement backfire in the worst way possible. And do you know what that means? It means that your perfectly normal neighbors and friends who admit they are, to an extent, racist in an effort to become an "ally in training" will instead get sick of your putting them down and "in their place". Just go on ahead and continue acting like an ass. People will only put with your shit for so long, then they will decide you are not worth the effort.

Literally you just argued that people who YOU ADMIT are somewhat racist will continue to be racist because someone was mean to them.

White are people are constantly told "this is hard work" becoming an anti-racist. The "hard work" should mean that its hard to look at your long-held assumptions, behaviors and thoughts (both conscious and unconscious) and admit they are the result of growing up White in a racist society. That IS hard for many White people to do but we are out there and willing to do THAT kind of hard work. But when the "hard work" means we have to accept that our feelings will automatically and forever be ignored - no matter what they are or why we have them - just because we are White? Yeah, that's just not normal human behavior. I'm not going to do that, and I will also make sure my children do not do that. Once you stop treating me a like a dog and getting mad because I won't accept it - then we can talk about how I can be an "ally in training"

What are the thoughts and feelings you're not allowed to express and to whom?

Np. Well, for example, anything the thoughtful PP puts in an answer to you will be dismissed, attacked, or used to promote your characterization of the PP as a racist. No one is permitted to have thoughts, feelings, or to formulate ideas that don't align with anti-racist dogma, so the only option is be silent and internalize that one's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter. No one wants to hear then.

DP but this playing the victim stuff is exactly what I think (but could be wrong) that others were saying earlier on this thread

This is not about playing the victim. It’s about asking humans to completely ignore some important aspects of being human (listening to others and being listened to).If you are being asked to be part of a discussion but are told that your thoughts and feelings and opinions won’t count, then it’s not really a discussion is it?

How hyper-dramatic. "One's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter." Maybe about one particular area. Maybe, indeed, your thoughts or feelings in certain areas or at certain times don't actually matter, or expressing them in certain ways is indeed inappropriate.

This is how life is for someone who isn't a narcissist. Every parent in here has had to swallow their feelings or pride at some point or another. Everyone who has had to shut their mouth around a friend before. Maybe you had to sincerely apologize to a family member in order to repair a relationship.

I just find it odd when people who are otherwise understanding and able to control themselves suddenly find themselves in extremes of "I MUST EXPRESS MYSELF FULLY AND COMPLETELY WITH NO CONSEQUENCES," when the subject is anti-racism.

Right. So you are saying that white people can't say anything critical about anything characterized as "anti-racist." We get it.

its fun to create strawmen isnt it.

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Anonymous wrote:I know you’re not going to like this point, but it’s the epitome of privilege to think that you should be able to set the terms for discussions of racism. This is an uncomfortable topic of conversation and it sounds like the principal did a solid amount of frontloading prior to the session.

You are welcome to your views on how racism should be discussed but if you are trying tell me that "I" and other white people MUST discuss racism without regard to how we view the conversation, then it's the epitome of foolishness to think we are ever going to engage in an honest conversation with you about anything. Doyin Richards was obnoxious, referring to hypothetical white kids as "Little Ainsley" and "Little Connor" . His disdain for White people was evident. If my pointing that out makes you think I am privileged, then please explain to everyone and me why we should allow a man like that to talk to our children like he is some kind of respected authority figure they should listen to. He is not. Shame on Janney for bringing him into this important conversation. Oh, and of course, I don't actually expect you to explain anything since, you know, I'm privileged and therefore my opinions and feelings are not worthy of your consideration. Yeah, good luck with that attitude.

TL;DR: if you don't talk about racism in a way that feels friendly and warm enough, I retain the right to remain racist, out of spite.

LOL. You wish. Just because you are a moron doesn't make me a racist. Its people like you that will make this anti-racism movement backfire in the worst way possible. And do you know what that means? It means that your perfectly normal neighbors and friends who admit they are, to an extent, racist in an effort to become an "ally in training" will instead get sick of your putting them down and "in their place". Just go on ahead and continue acting like an ass. People will only put with your shit for so long, then they will decide you are not worth the effort.

Literally you just argued that people who YOU ADMIT are somewhat racist will continue to be racist because someone was mean to them.

White are people are constantly told "this is hard work" becoming an anti-racist. The "hard work" should mean that its hard to look at your long-held assumptions, behaviors and thoughts (both conscious and unconscious) and admit they are the result of growing up White in a racist society. That IS hard for many White people to do but we are out there and willing to do THAT kind of hard work. But when the "hard work" means we have to accept that our feelings will automatically and forever be ignored - no matter what they are or why we have them - just because we are White? Yeah, that's just not normal human behavior. I'm not going to do that, and I will also make sure my children do not do that. Once you stop treating me a like a dog and getting mad because I won't accept it - then we can talk about how I can be an "ally in training"

What are the thoughts and feelings you're not allowed to express and to whom?

Np. Well, for example, anything the thoughtful PP puts in an answer to you will be dismissed, attacked, or used to promote your characterization of the PP as a racist. No one is permitted to have thoughts, feelings, or to formulate ideas that don't align with anti-racist dogma, so the only option is be silent and internalize that one's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter. No one wants to hear then.

DP but this playing the victim stuff is exactly what I think (but could be wrong) that others were saying earlier on this thread

This is not about playing the victim. It’s about asking humans to completely ignore some important aspects of being human (listening to others and being listened to).If you are being asked to be part of a discussion but are told that your thoughts and feelings and opinions won’t count, then it’s not really a discussion is it?

How hyper-dramatic. "One's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter." Maybe about one particular area. Maybe, indeed, your thoughts or feelings in certain areas or at certain times don't actually matter, or expressing them in certain ways is indeed inappropriate.

This is how life is for someone who isn't a narcissist. Every parent in here has had to swallow their feelings or pride at some point or another. Everyone who has had to shut their mouth around a friend before. Maybe you had to sincerely apologize to a family member in order to repair a relationship.

I just find it odd when people who are otherwise understanding and able to control themselves suddenly find themselves in extremes of "I MUST EXPRESS MYSELF FULLY AND COMPLETELY WITH NO CONSEQUENCES," when the subject is anti-racism.

Right. So you are saying that white people can't say anything critical about anything characterized as "anti-racist." We get it.

I guess if you want to ignore all of the nuances of everything I said, sure, that's your takeaway.

There is nothing nuanced about what you said. You are just being emotionally and intellectually dishonest. I bet you are White and feeling really good about yourself right now. I get it - guilt sucks. Hope this “dialogue” is making you feel better than the rest of us White miscreants.

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Anonymous wrote:I know you’re not going to like this point, but it’s the epitome of privilege to think that you should be able to set the terms for discussions of racism. This is an uncomfortable topic of conversation and it sounds like the principal did a solid amount of frontloading prior to the session.

You are welcome to your views on how racism should be discussed but if you are trying tell me that "I" and other white people MUST discuss racism without regard to how we view the conversation, then it's the epitome of foolishness to think we are ever going to engage in an honest conversation with you about anything. Doyin Richards was obnoxious, referring to hypothetical white kids as "Little Ainsley" and "Little Connor" . His disdain for White people was evident. If my pointing that out makes you think I am privileged, then please explain to everyone and me why we should allow a man like that to talk to our children like he is some kind of respected authority figure they should listen to. He is not. Shame on Janney for bringing him into this important conversation. Oh, and of course, I don't actually expect you to explain anything since, you know, I'm privileged and therefore my opinions and feelings are not worthy of your consideration. Yeah, good luck with that attitude.

TL;DR: if you don't talk about racism in a way that feels friendly and warm enough, I retain the right to remain racist, out of spite.

LOL. You wish. Just because you are a moron doesn't make me a racist. Its people like you that will make this anti-racism movement backfire in the worst way possible. And do you know what that means? It means that your perfectly normal neighbors and friends who admit they are, to an extent, racist in an effort to become an "ally in training" will instead get sick of your putting them down and "in their place". Just go on ahead and continue acting like an ass. People will only put with your shit for so long, then they will decide you are not worth the effort.

Literally you just argued that people who YOU ADMIT are somewhat racist will continue to be racist because someone was mean to them.

White are people are constantly told "this is hard work" becoming an anti-racist. The "hard work" should mean that its hard to look at your long-held assumptions, behaviors and thoughts (both conscious and unconscious) and admit they are the result of growing up White in a racist society. That IS hard for many White people to do but we are out there and willing to do THAT kind of hard work. But when the "hard work" means we have to accept that our feelings will automatically and forever be ignored - no matter what they are or why we have them - just because we are White? Yeah, that's just not normal human behavior. I'm not going to do that, and I will also make sure my children do not do that. Once you stop treating me a like a dog and getting mad because I won't accept it - then we can talk about how I can be an "ally in training"

What are the thoughts and feelings you're not allowed to express and to whom?

Np. Well, for example, anything the thoughtful PP puts in an answer to you will be dismissed, attacked, or used to promote your characterization of the PP as a racist. No one is permitted to have thoughts, feelings, or to formulate ideas that don't align with anti-racist dogma, so the only option is be silent and internalize that one's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter. No one wants to hear then.

DP but this playing the victim stuff is exactly what I think (but could be wrong) that others were saying earlier on this thread

This is not about playing the victim. It’s about asking humans to completely ignore some important aspects of being human (listening to others and being listened to).If you are being asked to be part of a discussion but are told that your thoughts and feelings and opinions won’t count, then it’s not really a discussion is it?

How hyper-dramatic. "One's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter." Maybe about one particular area. Maybe, indeed, your thoughts or feelings in certain areas or at certain times don't actually matter, or expressing them in certain ways is indeed inappropriate.

This is how life is for someone who isn't a narcissist. Every parent in here has had to swallow their feelings or pride at some point or another. Everyone who has had to shut their mouth around a friend before. Maybe you had to sincerely apologize to a family member in order to repair a relationship.

I just find it odd when people who are otherwise understanding and able to control themselves suddenly find themselves in extremes of "I MUST EXPRESS MYSELF FULLY AND COMPLETELY WITH NO CONSEQUENCES," when the subject is anti-racism.

Right. So you are saying that white people can't say anything critical about anything characterized as "anti-racist." We get it.

Of course, and if your feelings are hurt by that, it gives you free license to be extra racist.

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Anonymous wrote:I know you’re not going to like this point, but it’s the epitome of privilege to think that you should be able to set the terms for discussions of racism. This is an uncomfortable topic of conversation and it sounds like the principal did a solid amount of frontloading prior to the session.

You are welcome to your views on how racism should be discussed but if you are trying tell me that "I" and other white people MUST discuss racism without regard to how we view the conversation, then it's the epitome of foolishness to think we are ever going to engage in an honest conversation with you about anything. Doyin Richards was obnoxious, referring to hypothetical white kids as "Little Ainsley" and "Little Connor" . His disdain for White people was evident. If my pointing that out makes you think I am privileged, then please explain to everyone and me why we should allow a man like that to talk to our children like he is some kind of respected authority figure they should listen to. He is not. Shame on Janney for bringing him into this important conversation. Oh, and of course, I don't actually expect you to explain anything since, you know, I'm privileged and therefore my opinions and feelings are not worthy of your consideration. Yeah, good luck with that attitude.

TL;DR: if you don't talk about racism in a way that feels friendly and warm enough, I retain the right to remain racist, out of spite.

LOL. You wish. Just because you are a moron doesn't make me a racist. Its people like you that will make this anti-racism movement backfire in the worst way possible. And do you know what that means? It means that your perfectly normal neighbors and friends who admit they are, to an extent, racist in an effort to become an "ally in training" will instead get sick of your putting them down and "in their place". Just go on ahead and continue acting like an ass. People will only put with your shit for so long, then they will decide you are not worth the effort.

Literally you just argued that people who YOU ADMIT are somewhat racist will continue to be racist because someone was mean to them.

White are people are constantly told "this is hard work" becoming an anti-racist. The "hard work" should mean that its hard to look at your long-held assumptions, behaviors and thoughts (both conscious and unconscious) and admit they are the result of growing up White in a racist society. That IS hard for many White people to do but we are out there and willing to do THAT kind of hard work. But when the "hard work" means we have to accept that our feelings will automatically and forever be ignored - no matter what they are or why we have them - just because we are White? Yeah, that's just not normal human behavior. I'm not going to do that, and I will also make sure my children do not do that. Once you stop treating me a like a dog and getting mad because I won't accept it - then we can talk about how I can be an "ally in training"

What are the thoughts and feelings you're not allowed to express and to whom?

Np. Well, for example, anything the thoughtful PP puts in an answer to you will be dismissed, attacked, or used to promote your characterization of the PP as a racist. No one is permitted to have thoughts, feelings, or to formulate ideas that don't align with anti-racist dogma, so the only option is be silent and internalize that one's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter. No one wants to hear then.

DP but this playing the victim stuff is exactly what I think (but could be wrong) that others were saying earlier on this thread

This is not about playing the victim. It’s about asking humans to completely ignore some important aspects of being human (listening to others and being listened to).If you are being asked to be part of a discussion but are told that your thoughts and feelings and opinions won’t count, then it’s not really a discussion is it?

How hyper-dramatic. "One's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter." Maybe about one particular area. Maybe, indeed, your thoughts or feelings in certain areas or at certain times don't actually matter, or expressing them in certain ways is indeed inappropriate.

This is how life is for someone who isn't a narcissist. Every parent in here has had to swallow their feelings or pride at some point or another. Everyone who has had to shut their mouth around a friend before. Maybe you had to sincerely apologize to a family member in order to repair a relationship.

I just find it odd when people who are otherwise understanding and able to control themselves suddenly find themselves in extremes of "I MUST EXPRESS MYSELF FULLY AND COMPLETELY WITH NO CONSEQUENCES," when the subject is anti-racism.

Right. So you are saying that white people can't say anything critical about anything characterized as "anti-racist." We get it.

its fun to create strawmen isnt it.

Awww! Did you just graduate from law school?

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Anonymous wrote:I know you’re not going to like this point, but it’s the epitome of privilege to think that you should be able to set the terms for discussions of racism. This is an uncomfortable topic of conversation and it sounds like the principal did a solid amount of frontloading prior to the session.

You are welcome to your views on how racism should be discussed but if you are trying tell me that "I" and other white people MUST discuss racism without regard to how we view the conversation, then it's the epitome of foolishness to think we are ever going to engage in an honest conversation with you about anything. Doyin Richards was obnoxious, referring to hypothetical white kids as "Little Ainsley" and "Little Connor" . His disdain for White people was evident. If my pointing that out makes you think I am privileged, then please explain to everyone and me why we should allow a man like that to talk to our children like he is some kind of respected authority figure they should listen to. He is not. Shame on Janney for bringing him into this important conversation. Oh, and of course, I don't actually expect you to explain anything since, you know, I'm privileged and therefore my opinions and feelings are not worthy of your consideration. Yeah, good luck with that attitude.

TL;DR: if you don't talk about racism in a way that feels friendly and warm enough, I retain the right to remain racist, out of spite.

LOL. You wish. Just because you are a moron doesn't make me a racist. Its people like you that will make this anti-racism movement backfire in the worst way possible. And do you know what that means? It means that your perfectly normal neighbors and friends who admit they are, to an extent, racist in an effort to become an "ally in training" will instead get sick of your putting them down and "in their place". Just go on ahead and continue acting like an ass. People will only put with your shit for so long, then they will decide you are not worth the effort.

Literally you just argued that people who YOU ADMIT are somewhat racist will continue to be racist because someone was mean to them.

White are people are constantly told "this is hard work" becoming an anti-racist. The "hard work" should mean that its hard to look at your long-held assumptions, behaviors and thoughts (both conscious and unconscious) and admit they are the result of growing up White in a racist society. That IS hard for many White people to do but we are out there and willing to do THAT kind of hard work. But when the "hard work" means we have to accept that our feelings will automatically and forever be ignored - no matter what they are or why we have them - just because we are White? Yeah, that's just not normal human behavior. I'm not going to do that, and I will also make sure my children do not do that. Once you stop treating me a like a dog and getting mad because I won't accept it - then we can talk about how I can be an "ally in training"

What are the thoughts and feelings you're not allowed to express and to whom?

Np. Well, for example, anything the thoughtful PP puts in an answer to you will be dismissed, attacked, or used to promote your characterization of the PP as a racist. No one is permitted to have thoughts, feelings, or to formulate ideas that don't align with anti-racist dogma, so the only option is be silent and internalize that one's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter. No one wants to hear then.

DP but this playing the victim stuff is exactly what I think (but could be wrong) that others were saying earlier on this thread

This is not about playing the victim. It’s about asking humans to completely ignore some important aspects of being human (listening to others and being listened to).If you are being asked to be part of a discussion but are told that your thoughts and feelings and opinions won’t count, then it’s not really a discussion is it?

How hyper-dramatic. "One's own thoughts, feelings, impressions, or ideas don't matter." Maybe about one particular area. Maybe, indeed, your thoughts or feelings in certain areas or at certain times don't actually matter, or expressing them in certain ways is indeed inappropriate.

This is how life is for someone who isn't a narcissist. Every parent in here has had to swallow their feelings or pride at some point or another. Everyone who has had to shut their mouth around a friend before. Maybe you had to sincerely apologize to a family member in order to repair a relationship.

I just find it odd when people who are otherwise understanding and able to control themselves suddenly find themselves in extremes of "I MUST EXPRESS MYSELF FULLY AND COMPLETELY WITH NO CONSEQUENCES," when the subject is anti-racism.

Right. So you are saying that white people can't say anything critical about anything characterized as "anti-racist." We get it.

its fun to create strawmen isnt it.

Awww! Did you just graduate from law school?

You're becoming unhinged. Go take a break.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anti-racism is incompatible with qualms about a particular program’s imagery.

I agree

I agree. But, as displayed in this thread, if you DO have qualms with teaching 3-year-olds about "curb stomping" when that "curb stomping" is discussed in an anti-racism lecture, then you are, indeed, just being racist.

what a strawman

It's hardly a strawman. There are comments that the OP should be "embarrassed" (about expressing concerns about her kid's reaction to the lecture), etc.

"Your kid is freaked out about a one time anti-racism assembly. Imagine being a child that actually experiences racism. That is trauma.
Check your privilege."

"I’m sure OP’s kid wasn’t actually scared. OP is probably a pearl clutching CRT lunatic."

"Why not talk honestly with your kids and show them the truth? If that’s too much for a few little snowflakes well too bad."

etc etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes, I just read through the kids fistbook. It asks kids to identify "Who in your family has racist beliefs?"

It also outlines some things that white people think about Black people. 1. Black people are good at sports. 2. Black people are not smart. 3. Black people are dangerous. 4. Black people cannot afford to live in your neighborhood.

Gee, I can't imagine how presenting this information to young children could backfire in any way.

The next two steps in this guy's program are (and this was in the kids version

Phase 2:
Throat Punching Racism In Schools and/or Curb
Stomping Racism In The Workplace: You can take both
courses, but only one is required to move to Phase 3.
NOTE: These courses will be available in August 2020.

Phase 3:
Choking Out Systemic Racism: This will be available in
September 2020.

..."Throat punching"? "Curb stomping"? "Choking out"? Like, these are kindergarten-appropriate?

I teach my kids about racism but that is definitely not the way I would condone doing it. I'm not trying to teach violence as a method of dealing with things wrong with society.

This program preaches violence to school children - in a public school your taxes pay for.

Go ahead and try to make an adult, nuanced deflection to somehow twist this violent rhetoric into something virtuous. Then scrap it; because you can’t put enough lipstick on this disgusting indoctrination.

The violent terms here were preached to very young children. No wonder OP’s child came home traumatized.

This whole “indoctrination” was a vile perversion of a once noble idea.

Janney should apologize and atone for it by sucking with teachings directly from Dr. Martin Luther King.

You mean teachings like this? “Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.”

— Where Do We Go From Here: 1967

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes, I just read through the kids fistbook. It asks kids to identify "Who in your family has racist beliefs?"

It also outlines some things that white people think about Black people. 1. Black people are good at sports. 2. Black people are not smart. 3. Black people are dangerous. 4. Black people cannot afford to live in your neighborhood.

Gee, I can't imagine how presenting this information to young children could backfire in any way.

The next two steps in this guy's program are (and this was in the kids version

Phase 2:
Throat Punching Racism In Schools and/or Curb
Stomping Racism In The Workplace: You can take both
courses, but only one is required to move to Phase 3.
NOTE: These courses will be available in August 2020.

Phase 3:
Choking Out Systemic Racism: This will be available in
September 2020.

..."Throat punching"? "Curb stomping"? "Choking out"? Like, these are kindergarten-appropriate?

I teach my kids about racism but that is definitely not the way I would condone doing it. I'm not trying to teach violence as a method of dealing with things wrong with society.

This program preaches violence to school children - in a public school your taxes pay for.

Go ahead and try to make an adult, nuanced deflection to somehow twist this violent rhetoric into something virtuous. Then scrap it; because you can’t put enough lipstick on this disgusting indoctrination.

The violent terms here were preached to very young children. No wonder OP’s child came home traumatized.

This whole “indoctrination” was a vile perversion of a once noble idea.

Janney should apologize and atone for it by sucking with teachings directly from Dr. Martin Luther King.

You mean teachings like this? “Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.”

— Where Do We Go From Here: 1967

no no she meant only teach the things MLK said that she likes, like all of that stuff about kids holding hands

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else’s Kindergarten kid freaked out by an anti-racism assembly today? My kid needed to sleep with a light on and the door open tonight. Anyone know what specifically was talked about? My kid couldn’t relay much except that she was scared.

The assembly was a well known workshop for the “Anti-racist Fight Club.” It’s been around a while. They have a website, ok?

https://doyinrichards.com/arfc-kids/

It was completely and utterly unacceptable for PK-1 graders. Completely. Many teachers were aghast at the content. We literally put in applications today for other schools as a result of it, and we know other parents now looking too.

Good luck.

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes, I just read through the kids fistbook. It asks kids to identify "Who in your family has racist beliefs?"

It also outlines some things that white people think about Black people. 1. Black people are good at sports. 2. Black people are not smart. 3. Black people are dangerous. 4. Black people cannot afford to live in your neighborhood.

Gee, I can't imagine how presenting this information to young children could backfire in any way.

The next two steps in this guy's program are (and this was in the kids version

Phase 2:
Throat Punching Racism In Schools and/or Curb
Stomping Racism In The Workplace: You can take both
courses, but only one is required to move to Phase 3.
NOTE: These courses will be available in August 2020.

Phase 3:
Choking Out Systemic Racism: This will be available in
September 2020.

..."Throat punching"? "Curb stomping"? "Choking out"? Like, these are kindergarten-appropriate?

I teach my kids about racism but that is definitely not the way I would condone doing it. I'm not trying to teach violence as a method of dealing with things wrong with society.

This program preaches violence to school children - in a public school your taxes pay for.

Go ahead and try to make an adult, nuanced deflection to somehow twist this violent rhetoric into something virtuous. Then scrap it; because you can’t put enough lipstick on this disgusting indoctrination.

The violent terms here were preached to very young children. No wonder OP’s child came home traumatized.

This whole “indoctrination” was a vile perversion of a once noble idea.

Janney should apologize and atone for it by sucking with teachings directly from Dr. Martin Luther King.

You mean teachings like this? “Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.”

— Where Do We Go From Here: 1967

no no she meant only teach the things MLK said that she likes, like all of that stuff about kids holding hands

Bingo!

[Anonymous]

As this thread demonstrates, this anti racism (really race essentialism) is poison. It’s not effective or productive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm... So are we saying that Doyin Richards' antiracism fist club belongs to the 'white fragility' DiAngelo school of thought? As opposed to Kendi's or some other? And if not, why are there 20 posts about what some white woman thinks about racims??

I think the Diangelo school of thought is on display in this thread. That's why she got brought up.

I'm not sure if you are suggesting that you haven't heard of Diangelo ("some white woman"). She's a very popular anti-racism lecturer, and every white woman and their mother has been told to read White Fragility. She's widely discussed alongside Kendi, with others in the press comparing their approaches.

Popularity means nothing to me. Trump is popular yet I have no respect for him or his ideas. Ditto for DiAngelo. That her ideas should be taught to elementary kids whose critical thinking skills are close to non-existent is pretty irritating to me (not as irritating as Trump's ramblings, for sure, but still, I would think a school principal would do better).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As this thread demonstrates, this anti racism (really race essentialism) is poison. It’s not effective or productive.

while I do think we need data to determine whether or not particular interventions are useful, this conclusion is overwrought, particularly in light of the fact that the people participating in this thread are not the same people who participated in the trainings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As this thread demonstrates, this anti racism (really race essentialism) is poison. It’s not effective or productive.

while I do think we need data to determine whether or not particular interventions are useful, this conclusion is overwrought, particularly in light of the fact that the people participating in this thread are not the same people who participated in the trainings.

Not true. I attended Doyin’s training.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As this thread demonstrates, this anti racism (really race essentialism) is poison. It’s not effective or productive.

while I do think we need data to determine whether or not particular interventions are useful, this conclusion is overwrought, particularly in light of the fact that the people participating in this thread are not the same people who participated in the trainings.

Not true. I attended Doyin’s training.

okay so there's one exception