Meghan and Prince Harry are moving to the U.S./Canada - OFFICIAL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harry is protecting his wife & child from the hounding by the media that killed his mother.

Harry is profoundly damaged from the loss of his mother and his chaotic childhood; this cannot be understated. Any decision that he and MM take must be viewed through this prism - protecting their immediate family and privacy.

The Queen doesn't understand it, as she views everything through the horror of WW2. Charles probably harbors quite a bit of guilt about his son's childhood, but is caught between pleasing his mother and his own son. Still, Charles shoulders a TON of blame here - this reckoning is three decades in the making.

Frankly, Harry is completely rational in wanting to move out of the Royal orbit. The attention in the coming years will be on the succession to Charles, then William, and the newest heirs under William.

It's bizarre to me that Harry is getting this degree of vitriol when the Royals keep talking about wanting to "slim down" the entourage. When is Harry supposed to step away? When he's 50 and is too old to start an independent career? They are in their late 30s and need to make moves NOW to establish a future for themselves.

Frankly, the BRF has no idea what it wants to be in a post-Elizabeth future. The messaging is discombobulated and that's not the fault of Harry/MM. A 90 year-old Queen kicks and screams when anyone tries to update the institution and doesn't communicate. We are in an era of radical transparency, but the Queen still acts as if people sit by the radio waiting for her address. The BRF is at a very risky inflection point.

No one is arguing with his need to step away. He is welcome to do it. It’s just the way he and Meghan did it does not reflect a rational well thought and weighed approach. It’s not how a mature, responsible and accountable person would do it. Is he so damaged that he did not foresee this desire of his 5 months ago when the cottage was being renovated to their tastes? Is he so damaged that he could not iron out the details before making the big announcement? It more seems like a tantrum than a well thought and planned decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The meeting of the 'Queen and the Three Princes' is over. Only took 2 and half hours.

Source? I can’t find this anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harry is protecting his wife & child from the hounding by the media that killed his mother.

Harry is profoundly damaged from the loss of his mother and his chaotic childhood; this cannot be understated. Any decision that he and MM take must be viewed through this prism - protecting their immediate family and privacy.

The Queen doesn't understand it, as she views everything through the horror of WW2. Charles probably harbors quite a bit of guilt about his son's childhood, but is caught between pleasing his mother and his own son. Still, Charles shoulders a TON of blame here - this reckoning is three decades in the making.

Frankly, Harry is completely rational in wanting to move out of the Royal orbit. The attention in the coming years will be on the succession to Charles, then William, and the newest heirs under William.

It's bizarre to me that Harry is getting this degree of vitriol when the Royals keep talking about wanting to "slim down" the entourage. When is Harry supposed to step away? When he's 50 and is too old to start an independent career? They are in their late 30s and need to make moves NOW to establish a future for themselves.

Frankly, the BRF has no idea what it wants to be in a post-Elizabeth future. The messaging is discombobulated and that's not the fault of Harry/MM. A 90 year-old Queen kicks and screams when anyone tries to update the institution and doesn't communicate. We are in an era of radical transparency, but the Queen still acts as if people sit by the radio waiting for her address. The BRF is at a very risky inflection point.

Fair points, but again - neither Harry nor Meghan want less attention. They want just as much attention or more; they just want to dictate what kind of attention they will get. Which is obviously impossible because we have a free press. Moving to Canada won't lessen the attention.

Becoming private citizens and living a quiet life would give them the privacy they supposedly crave. But again, not what they want.

Lots of conjecture in your post, IMHO. Like EVERY celebrity on earth (regardless of country), they want to control access and their portrayal in the media. This is true of Brad Pitt, Lady Gaga, the Obamas, Oprah, Beyonce, political dynasties, etc. No one like to have their lives ripped open by an intrusive press or to be stalked with a telephoto lens on their family vacation. And I agree that this won't necessarily stop when they come to Canada or the US.

However, it is a different media environment in the North American press vs. the UK press. They will be just another celebrity couple in the U.S., therefore the pressure is reduced and the stakes are lower. They will need to get real jobs to make a future for themselves and need to do that while still young. Further, I have seen no indication that they will stop supporting the BRF - it appears that they want to continue representing the Queen while overseas and returning multiple times per year for major events. They want to remain part of the family business, but won't be "senior" members.

If the Queen/Charles want the "slimmed down" entourage, then they need to make decisions ASAP and create a framework for how that will work. It sounds like they've kept punting the decision - that speaks of feckless leadership.

[Anonymous]

I love American papers. They're not in the pocket or under the thumb of a certain bad egg.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/01/10/harry-meghan-exit-plan-theories-abound-what-led/4433399002/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The meeting of the 'Queen and the Three Princes' is over. Only took 2 and half hours.

Source? I can’t find this anywhere.

The reporters who've been waiting outside posted video of Prince Harry, Prince Charles, and Prince William leaving in separate cars.

The articles will probably be live in under half an hour.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harry is protecting his wife & child from the hounding by the media that killed his mother.

Harry is profoundly damaged from the loss of his mother and his chaotic childhood; this cannot be understated. Any decision that he and MM take must be viewed through this prism - protecting their immediate family and privacy.

The Queen doesn't understand it, as she views everything through the horror of WW2. Charles probably harbors quite a bit of guilt about his son's childhood, but is caught between pleasing his mother and his own son. Still, Charles shoulders a TON of blame here - this reckoning is three decades in the making.

Frankly, Harry is completely rational in wanting to move out of the Royal orbit. The attention in the coming years will be on the succession to Charles, then William, and the newest heirs under William.

It's bizarre to me that Harry is getting this degree of vitriol when the Royals keep talking about wanting to "slim down" the entourage. When is Harry supposed to step away? When he's 50 and is too old to start an independent career? They are in their late 30s and need to make moves NOW to establish a future for themselves.

Frankly, the BRF has no idea what it wants to be in a post-Elizabeth future. The messaging is discombobulated and that's not the fault of Harry/MM. A 90 year-old Queen kicks and screams when anyone tries to update the institution and doesn't communicate. We are in an era of radical transparency, but the Queen still acts as if people sit by the radio waiting for her address. The BRF is at a very risky inflection point.

great points!

[phone], agree 100%.

Oh good lord. The Royal family has changed hugely in the last 30 years. And 30 years ago it was very different from 50 years before that. The Queen has been very much behind the modernization of the monarchy, even if at times forced to do it.

Just look at the marriages. Will would not have married Kate had it been the 1950s. Charles would have married Camilla from the get go today instead of being forced to put her aside. In 1900 Charles would have been married off to some German or Danish princess. Today, Harry married a biracial woman (that it turned out to be a disaster is besides the point, the marriage still happened).

Some people only care about this mantra of this woke righteous woman one upping royal family that they've turned into a symbol of oppression in just about anything. Not quite sure why, as both the royal family and Meghan Markle are largely irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. Especially if you're American.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The meeting of the 'Queen and the Three Princes' is over. Only took 2 and half hours.

Source? I can’t find this anywhere.

The reporters who've been waiting outside posted video of Prince Harry, Prince Charles, and Prince William leaving in separate cars.

The articles will probably be live in under half an hour.

And where would one find this video?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The article headlines above looking down on Meghan are just plain mean. I never saw those before. I understand, she is a poor commoner, and not royalty. But still. It's wrong.

I can't imagine the racism she dealt with there, or the snobbery. She married for love, not status. You could tell the entire time leading up to the wedding that she was camera nervous.

She seems down to earth. Too down to earth to sit on the perch of the British Empire, I guess.

But who cares? Seriously? They are living their best liife. Good for them.

Is there some type of political or larger implication of this that I am missing that impacts anyone but the royal family?

Racism? Nobody sees a black woman when they see MM. She's trying to appropriate and weaponize blackness that she does not actually possess. She didn't grow up hard knocks, either; she was a privileged private school gal from K through age 22. Then she was a layabout actress for 15 years. Now she's a layabout royal interloper. Her woe is me minority shtick falls flat. This is one of THE most privileged persons on Earth.

WTF? Were you born under a rock? Most people do see her as a black woman.

[Anonymous]

I TOLD YOU!!!! They Queen is allowing them to move forward with the plan.

Official statement released from the Queen of the United Kingdom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harry is protecting his wife & child from the hounding by the media that killed his mother.

Harry is profoundly damaged from the loss of his mother and his chaotic childhood; this cannot be understated. Any decision that he and MM take must be viewed through this prism - protecting their immediate family and privacy.

The Queen doesn't understand it, as she views everything through the horror of WW2. Charles probably harbors quite a bit of guilt about his son's childhood, but is caught between pleasing his mother and his own son. Still, Charles shoulders a TON of blame here - this reckoning is three decades in the making.

Frankly, Harry is completely rational in wanting to move out of the Royal orbit. The attention in the coming years will be on the succession to Charles, then William, and the newest heirs under William.

It's bizarre to me that Harry is getting this degree of vitriol when the Royals keep talking about wanting to "slim down" the entourage. When is Harry supposed to step away? When he's 50 and is too old to start an independent career? They are in their late 30s and need to make moves NOW to establish a future for themselves.

Frankly, the BRF has no idea what it wants to be in a post-Elizabeth future. The messaging is discombobulated and that's not the fault of Harry/MM. A 90 year-old Queen kicks and screams when anyone tries to update the institution and doesn't communicate. We are in an era of radical transparency, but the Queen still acts as if people sit by the radio waiting for her address. The BRF is at a very risky inflection point.

Fair points, but again - neither Harry nor Meghan want less attention. They want just as much attention or more; they just want to dictate what kind of attention they will get. Which is obviously impossible because we have a free press. Moving to Canada won't lessen the attention.

Becoming private citizens and living a quiet life would give them the privacy they supposedly crave. But again, not what they want.

Lots of conjecture in your post, IMHO. Like EVERY celebrity on earth (regardless of country), they want to control access and their portrayal in the media. This is true of Brad Pitt, Lady Gaga, the Obamas, Oprah, Beyonce, political dynasties, etc. No one like to have their lives ripped open by an intrusive press or to be stalked with a telephoto lens on their family vacation. And I agree that this won't necessarily stop when they come to Canada or the US.

However, it is a different media environment in the North American press vs. the UK press. They will be just another celebrity couple in the U.S., therefore the pressure is reduced and the stakes are lower. They will need to get real jobs to make a future for themselves and need to do that while still young. Further, I have seen no indication that they will stop supporting the BRF - it appears that they want to continue representing the Queen while overseas and returning multiple times per year for major events. They want to remain part of the family business, but won't be "senior" members.

If the Queen/Charles want the "slimmed down" entourage, then they need to make decisions ASAP and create a framework for how that will work. It sounds like they've kept punting the decision - that speaks of feckless leadership.

So you admit they want to be celebs, right? That means no matter where they go in the world, they will be ripped to pieces by the press. Some of the attention will be flattering, some of it will not. It's no different for Hollywood celebs. That's the price of being a celebrity.

They're not running away from the media. They're running away because Meghan is not happy being in the royal family and the obligation it requires of her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The article headlines above looking down on Meghan are just plain mean. I never saw those before. I understand, she is a poor commoner, and not royalty. But still. It's wrong.

I can't imagine the racism she dealt with there, or the snobbery. She married for love, not status. You could tell the entire time leading up to the wedding that she was camera nervous.

She seems down to earth. Too down to earth to sit on the perch of the British Empire, I guess.

But who cares? Seriously? They are living their best liife. Good for them.

Is there some type of political or larger implication of this that I am missing that impacts anyone but the royal family?

Racism? Nobody sees a black woman when they see MM. She's trying to appropriate and weaponize blackness that she does not actually possess. She didn't grow up hard knocks, either; she was a privileged private school gal from K through age 22. Then she was a layabout actress for 15 years. Now she's a layabout royal interloper. Her woe is me minority shtick falls flat. This is one of THE most privileged persons on Earth.

The press sees a black woman, as do black Brits and Americans. Jeez, PP.

Perhaps, because she makes a big deal of it. I'm a brown woman, and I would not have known she was black, because she's not black. She's half black or less. She is at least as much white as she is black, genetically.

PP, I'm going to stop you there at your bolded comment above. As a black woman, we come in ALL SHADES. Who the hell are you to say that she isn't black? That isn't the way that race works at all. She is of mixed heritage, didnt have a choice about it, and yes, that includes being black and white. As a POC, you should respect the challenges that AAs have had to face around identiy over the past 3 decades. There has been a lot of progress, but ignorant comments like yours let me know we still have a LONG way to go.

Disgusting.

Holy temper tantrum. She isn't black. She's half black, at most, not based on what I say, but based on genetics. You know, science?

Oh, and also in her own words:
(Are you going to call her disgusting now?)

https://www.elle.com/uk/life-and-culture/news/a26855/more-than-an-other/

'What are you?' A question I get asked every week of my life, often every day. 'Well,' I say, as I begin the verbal dance I know all too well. 'I'm an actress, a writer, the Editor-in-Chief of my lifestyle brand The Tig, a pretty good cook and a firm believer in handwritten notes.' A mouthful, yes, but one that I feel paints a pretty solid picture of who I am. But here's what happens: they smile and nod politely, maybe even chuckle, before getting to their point, 'Right, but what are you? Where are your parents from?' I knew it was coming, I always do. While I could say Pennsylvania and Ohio, and continue this proverbial two-step, I instead give them what they're after: 'My dad is Caucasian and my mom is African American. I'm half black and half white.'

DId I not say the same thing? She is BOTH. NOT JUST WHITE. YOU DONT BASE IT OFF OF SHADE. I dont expect white people to understand. But I absolutely expect more from a POC. I stand by what I said I am not disgusted by anything but the ignorance and just being so dismissive of an entire race. It is infuriating. Just own up to the language you use, and the implication of it.

She is treated as a black person by the BRF, sterotyped, etc. You cant just walk away form being black. I don't care if you're Mariah Carey, who is black, venezuelan and a bunch of other things., etc. TONS of examples have been given for how race comes into play. The only people that dont understand racism are those who are not victims of it. Until we can trade skin and you see how the world looks at you in MY shade, respectfully, you are speaking out of your ass otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Here's the statement on the Royal Family's official website - https://www.royal.uk/statement-her-majesty-queen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harry is protecting his wife & child from the hounding by the media that killed his mother.

Harry is profoundly damaged from the loss of his mother and his chaotic childhood; this cannot be understated. Any decision that he and MM take must be viewed through this prism - protecting their immediate family and privacy.

The Queen doesn't understand it, as she views everything through the horror of WW2. Charles probably harbors quite a bit of guilt about his son's childhood, but is caught between pleasing his mother and his own son. Still, Charles shoulders a TON of blame here - this reckoning is three decades in the making.

Frankly, Harry is completely rational in wanting to move out of the Royal orbit. The attention in the coming years will be on the succession to Charles, then William, and the newest heirs under William.

It's bizarre to me that Harry is getting this degree of vitriol when the Royals keep talking about wanting to "slim down" the entourage. When is Harry supposed to step away? When he's 50 and is too old to start an independent career? They are in their late 30s and need to make moves NOW to establish a future for themselves.

Frankly, the BRF has no idea what it wants to be in a post-Elizabeth future. The messaging is discombobulated and that's not the fault of Harry/MM. A 90 year-old Queen kicks and screams when anyone tries to update the institution and doesn't communicate. We are in an era of radical transparency, but the Queen still acts as if people sit by the radio waiting for her address. The BRF is at a very risky inflection point.

great points!

[phone], agree 100%.

Oh good lord. The Royal family has changed hugely in the last 30 years. And 30 years ago it was very different from 50 years before that. The Queen has been very much behind the modernization of the monarchy, even if at times forced to do it.

Just look at the marriages. Will would not have married Kate had it been the 1950s. Charles would have married Camilla from the get go today instead of being forced to put her aside. In 1900 Charles would have been married off to some German or Danish princess. Today, Harry married a biracial woman (that it turned out to be a disaster is besides the point, the marriage still happened).

Some people only care about this mantra of this woke righteous woman one upping royal family that they've turned into a symbol of oppression in just about anything. Not quite sure why, as both the royal family and Meghan Markle are largely irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. Especially if you're American.

I was reading your post and nodding in measured agreement until I got to the bolded paragraph. Where you went completely off the rails like a triggered nutjob.

It's clear to anyone with half a brain that Harry/MM are doing this because time is running short for them to launch independent careers and the Queen/Charles are dragging their feet, per usual. As I said before, any modernization of the BRF as an institution has happened IN SPITE of the Queen, not because she was leading the change. The younger generation or the public has always had to force her hand.

If anything, Harry was just following in the tradition of Charles and William by just doing what they want and the Queen eventually conceding. Same thing happened with Camilla, same happened with William marrying a commoner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The article headlines above looking down on Meghan are just plain mean. I never saw those before. I understand, she is a poor commoner, and not royalty. But still. It's wrong.

I can't imagine the racism she dealt with there, or the snobbery. She married for love, not status. You could tell the entire time leading up to the wedding that she was camera nervous.

She seems down to earth. Too down to earth to sit on the perch of the British Empire, I guess.

But who cares? Seriously? They are living their best liife. Good for them.

Is there some type of political or larger implication of this that I am missing that impacts anyone but the royal family?

Racism? Nobody sees a black woman when they see MM. She's trying to appropriate and weaponize blackness that she does not actually possess. She didn't grow up hard knocks, either; she was a privileged private school gal from K through age 22. Then she was a layabout actress for 15 years. Now she's a layabout royal interloper. Her woe is me minority shtick falls flat. This is one of THE most privileged persons on Earth.

WTF? Were you born under a rock? Most people do see her as a black woman.

I would argue that no one sees her otherwise, if they did before, they don't now. Ever heard of the "one drop rule"? Or how about the movie, 12 Years a Slave - based on a true story. Because you know, there were "privileged" blacks then too, but I guess if they were educated etc. they would be weaponizing their blackness by talking about the racism they experience regardless of class. I guess the south didnt get the memo when they enslaved them.

Yes, MM is privileged. But she is black, and there isn't enough money in the world to make some people not see your color.
Racists see color, and it skews their view. It is apparent to those that are victims to it. The thinking isnt that complex or complicated. It is disgusting.

[Anonymous]

So after the “period of transition” they are out completely?