ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of MLSN talk on an ECNL thread. Why don’t you people nut up and start your own thread. Because you are clearly on the wrong thread and only the two of you care about this. You can talk about your academy kids nonexistent chance of making pro elsewhere.

The chance for any P2P MLSN player to go pro is 0%. It is a marketing scam that many parents fall for. Any special rule to mimic pro-environment, trying to make those p2p MLSN look legit is fake.

This is true but all of the MLSN p2p players/parents I know also know this. Except for maybe at the U13 level, they all know the deal. They are doing it to help make a D1 or high level D2 college roster spot available. That's it. That's why my own kid does it. No one inside the program is being fooled...

And the argument from some that MLSN is just for creating some sort of pro pathway and they don't care about college or anything else is a fool. Why would they expand to P2P clubs? Why would they create MLSN2? It is literally just a youth league like any other youth league out there. The only difference is that there are a few (very few) legitimate academies at the very top.

I didnt say MLS Next players and parents dont care about playing in college. You added that because you're crazy and have an irrational hate for anything MLS. What I said was playing in college is a by product that occurs if playing professionally doesn't work out. Which is the same thing that happens with foreign Academy washouts. You dont understand this because ECNLs only goal is playing in college and its all you can comprehend.

What are you talking about? My kid plays MLSN, I like the platform better than any other for boys. You were saying that parents were being deluded by MLSN thinking their kids were going to go pro. I was arguing that that is not the case. Maybe for people looking from the outside in it is, but for anyone actually involved in P2P MLSN, we all know the deal. College ball is the priority/goal.

So pretending to be a MLS parent now?

MLS Next even the non Homegrown or Academy players want to play professionally first and college second. Also almost all players will get some opportunities at the Academy level. Which might catch someone's eye. Which again is what everyone is looking for. You don't understand any of this because theres no equivalent in ECNL.

Ugh...it's Mr. Ugh again, continuing his passive aggressive campaign for MLSN to stay BY because they are the most special, and so very different from all the alphabet leagues. We get that your July kid will now be disadvantaged, but it's not the end of the world. Lashing out at every criticism of MLSN, as if it's hate speech, only magnifies the desperation and fear that quite evident in your posts.

I've seen you post this before what are you talking about? Imaginary friend maybe?

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of MLSN talk on an ECNL thread. Why don’t you people nut up and start your own thread. Because you are clearly on the wrong thread and only the two of you care about this. You can talk about your academy kids nonexistent chance of making pro elsewhere.

The chance for any P2P MLSN player to go pro is 0%. It is a marketing scam that many parents fall for. Any special rule to mimic pro-environment, trying to make those p2p MLSN look legit is fake.

This is true but all of the MLSN p2p players/parents I know also know this. Except for maybe at the U13 level, they all know the deal. They are doing it to help make a D1 or high level D2 college roster spot available. That's it. That's why my own kid does it. No one inside the program is being fooled...

And the argument from some that MLSN is just for creating some sort of pro pathway and they don't care about college or anything else is a fool. Why would they expand to P2P clubs? Why would they create MLSN2? It is literally just a youth league like any other youth league out there. The only difference is that there are a few (very few) legitimate academies at the very top.

I didnt say MLS Next players and parents dont care about playing in college. You added that because you're crazy and have an irrational hate for anything MLS. What I said was playing in college is a by product that occurs if playing professionally doesn't work out. Which is the same thing that happens with foreign Academy washouts. You dont understand this because ECNLs only goal is playing in college and its all you can comprehend.

What are you talking about? My kid plays MLSN, I like the platform better than any other for boys. You were saying that parents were being deluded by MLSN thinking their kids were going to go pro. I was arguing that that is not the case. Maybe for people looking from the outside in it is, but for anyone actually involved in P2P MLSN, we all know the deal. College ball is the priority/goal.

So pretending to be a MLS parent now?

MLS Next even the non Homegrown or Academy players want to play professionally first and college second. Also almost all players will get some opportunities at the Academy level. Which might catch someone's eye. Which again is what everyone is looking for. You don't understand any of this because theres no equivalent in ECNL.

Ok man. If that makes you feel better. Maybe that is true where you are but the handful of P2P MLSN1 clubs near me, 99% of the players (above U13) know they are not going pro. Everyone talks about college and college commitments. Everyone is busy putting together highlight videos and emailing college coaches. Everyone is trying to get college coaches to watch them at the events (Flex, etc.).

Put yourself in a college coaches position. You have roster decisions to make and winning translates into keeping your job. Who would you pick first? MLS Next Homegrown/Academy players, Foreign Anademy players, or random league like ECNL players? With the first two options the clubs have already sifted through the players separating talent out. With leagues like ECNL theres a lot of duds but you might find an occasional jem. The problem is the amount of time it will take to identify jems.

On top of all that what happens is the coaches and DOCs from Homegrown and Academy teams develop relationships with top college coaches because theyre a one stop shop for talent. This is where regular MLS Next players who are occasionally playing with Academy or above teams might get referred to XYZ college coach. Lather rinse repeat and now you know what makes MLS different. Oh and btw all the regular MLS players are reaching out to college coaches and doing all the same things to get recruited that ECNL and other parents are doing.

To put things in ECNL terms that you'll understand Homegrown and Academy docs and coaches view all MLS players as part of the pool that could potentially play professionally. However They also know which players on their teams and in the larger pool that could play in college. It would be like if there was a single ECNL doc that represented all the teams to college coaches for each regional league.

When you are in a cult, any facts thrown at you can seem like "irrational hate." Comments pointing out similar numbers of kids playing in college from rival leagues as MLSN P2P become unacceptable. Comments like my league is going to poach your leagues best teams become wet dreams. Comments like my club is great and yours stinks. I don't know why club soccer has this Cobra Kia for specific clubs and leagues especially when players move around so much but it does. Some people are just more susceptible to cult mentally. Don't drink the Kool-aid, these clubs and leagues come and go with their cult of personality leaders and finances that shift like sand in the wind. I just hope everyone's kids had a period where they were able to have a Walter Mitty dream about pro soccer but woke up on time so they can focus on real opportunities in life and not just some pipe dream that has no chance to pay the bills. And learned a second or third sport so their childhood wasn't so myopic.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of MLSN talk on an ECNL thread. Why don’t you people nut up and start your own thread. Because you are clearly on the wrong thread and only the two of you care about this. You can talk about your academy kids nonexistent chance of making pro elsewhere.

The chance for any P2P MLSN player to go pro is 0%. It is a marketing scam that many parents fall for. Any special rule to mimic pro-environment, trying to make those p2p MLSN look legit is fake.

This is true but all of the MLSN p2p players/parents I know also know this. Except for maybe at the U13 level, they all know the deal. They are doing it to help make a D1 or high level D2 college roster spot available. That's it. That's why my own kid does it. No one inside the program is being fooled...

And the argument from some that MLSN is just for creating some sort of pro pathway and they don't care about college or anything else is a fool. Why would they expand to P2P clubs? Why would they create MLSN2? It is literally just a youth league like any other youth league out there. The only difference is that there are a few (very few) legitimate academies at the very top.

I didnt say MLS Next players and parents dont care about playing in college. You added that because you're crazy and have an irrational hate for anything MLS. What I said was playing in college is a by product that occurs if playing professionally doesn't work out. Which is the same thing that happens with foreign Academy washouts. You dont understand this because ECNLs only goal is playing in college and its all you can comprehend.

What are you talking about? My kid plays MLSN, I like the platform better than any other for boys. You were saying that parents were being deluded by MLSN thinking their kids were going to go pro. I was arguing that that is not the case. Maybe for people looking from the outside in it is, but for anyone actually involved in P2P MLSN, we all know the deal. College ball is the priority/goal.

So pretending to be a MLS parent now?

MLS Next even the non Homegrown or Academy players want to play professionally first and college second. Also almost all players will get some opportunities at the Academy level. Which might catch someone's eye. Which again is what everyone is looking for. You don't understand any of this because theres no equivalent in ECNL.

Ugh...it's Mr. Ugh again, continuing his passive aggressive campaign for MLSN to stay BY because they are the most special, and so very different from all the alphabet leagues. We get that your July kid will now be disadvantaged, but it's not the end of the world. Lashing out at every criticism of MLSN, as if it's hate speech, only magnifies the desperation and fear that quite evident in your posts.

I've seen you post this before what are you talking about? Imaginary friend maybe?

Nice try Mr. Ugh. You really think all this subtle pitching for MLSN to stay BY is worthwhile? Maybe try a hobby.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of MLSN talk on an ECNL thread. Why don’t you people nut up and start your own thread. Because you are clearly on the wrong thread and only the two of you care about this. You can talk about your academy kids nonexistent chance of making pro elsewhere.

The chance for any P2P MLSN player to go pro is 0%. It is a marketing scam that many parents fall for. Any special rule to mimic pro-environment, trying to make those p2p MLSN look legit is fake.

This is true but all of the MLSN p2p players/parents I know also know this. Except for maybe at the U13 level, they all know the deal. They are doing it to help make a D1 or high level D2 college roster spot available. That's it. That's why my own kid does it. No one inside the program is being fooled...

And the argument from some that MLSN is just for creating some sort of pro pathway and they don't care about college or anything else is a fool. Why would they expand to P2P clubs? Why would they create MLSN2? It is literally just a youth league like any other youth league out there. The only difference is that there are a few (very few) legitimate academies at the very top.

I didnt say MLS Next players and parents dont care about playing in college. You added that because you're crazy and have an irrational hate for anything MLS. What I said was playing in college is a by product that occurs if playing professionally doesn't work out. Which is the same thing that happens with foreign Academy washouts. You dont understand this because ECNLs only goal is playing in college and its all you can comprehend.

What are you talking about? My kid plays MLSN, I like the platform better than any other for boys. You were saying that parents were being deluded by MLSN thinking their kids were going to go pro. I was arguing that that is not the case. Maybe for people looking from the outside in it is, but for anyone actually involved in P2P MLSN, we all know the deal. College ball is the priority/goal.

So pretending to be a MLS parent now?

MLS Next even the non Homegrown or Academy players want to play professionally first and college second. Also almost all players will get some opportunities at the Academy level. Which might catch someone's eye. Which again is what everyone is looking for. You don't understand any of this because theres no equivalent in ECNL.

Ok man. If that makes you feel better. Maybe that is true where you are but the handful of P2P MLSN1 clubs near me, 99% of the players (above U13) know they are not going pro. Everyone talks about college and college commitments. Everyone is busy putting together highlight videos and emailing college coaches. Everyone is trying to get college coaches to watch them at the events (Flex, etc.).

Put yourself in a college coaches position. You have roster decisions to make and winning translates into keeping your job. Who would you pick first? MLS Next Homegrown/Academy players, Foreign Anademy players, or random league like ECNL players? With the first two options the clubs have already sifted through the players separating talent out. With leagues like ECNL theres a lot of duds but you might find an occasional jem. The problem is the amount of time it will take to identify jems.

On top of all that what happens is the coaches and DOCs from Homegrown and Academy teams develop relationships with top college coaches because theyre a one stop shop for talent. This is where regular MLS Next players who are occasionally playing with Academy or above teams might get referred to XYZ college coach. Lather rinse repeat and now you know what makes MLS different. Oh and btw all the regular MLS players are reaching out to college coaches and doing all the same things to get recruited that ECNL and other parents are doing.

To put things in ECNL terms that you'll understand Homegrown and Academy docs and coaches view all MLS players as part of the pool that could potentially play professionally. However They also know which players on their teams and in the larger pool that could play in college. It would be like if there was a single ECNL doc that represented all the teams to college coaches for each regional league.

Preach my brother

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of MLSN talk on an ECNL thread. Why don’t you people nut up and start your own thread. Because you are clearly on the wrong thread and only the two of you care about this. You can talk about your academy kids nonexistent chance of making pro elsewhere.

The chance for any P2P MLSN player to go pro is 0%. It is a marketing scam that many parents fall for. Any special rule to mimic pro-environment, trying to make those p2p MLSN look legit is fake.

This is true but all of the MLSN p2p players/parents I know also know this. Except for maybe at the U13 level, they all know the deal. They are doing it to help make a D1 or high level D2 college roster spot available. That's it. That's why my own kid does it. No one inside the program is being fooled...

And the argument from some that MLSN is just for creating some sort of pro pathway and they don't care about college or anything else is a fool. Why would they expand to P2P clubs? Why would they create MLSN2? It is literally just a youth league like any other youth league out there. The only difference is that there are a few (very few) legitimate academies at the very top.

I didnt say MLS Next players and parents dont care about playing in college. You added that because you're crazy and have an irrational hate for anything MLS. What I said was playing in college is a by product that occurs if playing professionally doesn't work out. Which is the same thing that happens with foreign Academy washouts. You dont understand this because ECNLs only goal is playing in college and its all you can comprehend.

What are you talking about? My kid plays MLSN, I like the platform better than any other for boys. You were saying that parents were being deluded by MLSN thinking their kids were going to go pro. I was arguing that that is not the case. Maybe for people looking from the outside in it is, but for anyone actually involved in P2P MLSN, we all know the deal. College ball is the priority/goal.

So pretending to be a MLS parent now?

MLS Next even the non Homegrown or Academy players want to play professionally first and college second. Also almost all players will get some opportunities at the Academy level. Which might catch someone's eye. Which again is what everyone is looking for. You don't understand any of this because theres no equivalent in ECNL.

Most ECNL clubs play friendlies against the MLS academies or have some relationship with the academy. (e.g. Beach and DCU) Also, I see scouts at all the showcases. (Charlotte attends many of the league games)

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of MLSN talk on an ECNL thread. Why don’t you people nut up and start your own thread. Because you are clearly on the wrong thread and only the two of you care about this. You can talk about your academy kids nonexistent chance of making pro elsewhere.

The chance for any P2P MLSN player to go pro is 0%. It is a marketing scam that many parents fall for. Any special rule to mimic pro-environment, trying to make those p2p MLSN look legit is fake.

This is true but all of the MLSN p2p players/parents I know also know this. Except for maybe at the U13 level, they all know the deal. They are doing it to help make a D1 or high level D2 college roster spot available. That's it. That's why my own kid does it. No one inside the program is being fooled...

And the argument from some that MLSN is just for creating some sort of pro pathway and they don't care about college or anything else is a fool. Why would they expand to P2P clubs? Why would they create MLSN2? It is literally just a youth league like any other youth league out there. The only difference is that there are a few (very few) legitimate academies at the very top.

I didnt say MLS Next players and parents dont care about playing in college. You added that because you're crazy and have an irrational hate for anything MLS. What I said was playing in college is a by product that occurs if playing professionally doesn't work out. Which is the same thing that happens with foreign Academy washouts. You dont understand this because ECNLs only goal is playing in college and its all you can comprehend.

What are you talking about? My kid plays MLSN, I like the platform better than any other for boys. You were saying that parents were being deluded by MLSN thinking their kids were going to go pro. I was arguing that that is not the case. Maybe for people looking from the outside in it is, but for anyone actually involved in P2P MLSN, we all know the deal. College ball is the priority/goal.

So pretending to be a MLS parent now?

MLS Next even the non Homegrown or Academy players want to play professionally first and college second. Also almost all players will get some opportunities at the Academy level. Which might catch someone's eye. Which again is what everyone is looking for. You don't understand any of this because theres no equivalent in ECNL.

Most ECNL clubs play friendlies against the MLS academies or have some relationship with the academy. (e.g. Beach and DCU) Also, I see scouts at all the showcases. (Charlotte attends many of the league games)

Oh good so at least some ECNL people get it. Although theres one blockhead that wont let go.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of MLSN talk on an ECNL thread. Why don’t you people nut up and start your own thread. Because you are clearly on the wrong thread and only the two of you care about this. You can talk about your academy kids nonexistent chance of making pro elsewhere.

The chance for any P2P MLSN player to go pro is 0%. It is a marketing scam that many parents fall for. Any special rule to mimic pro-environment, trying to make those p2p MLSN look legit is fake.

This is true but all of the MLSN p2p players/parents I know also know this. Except for maybe at the U13 level, they all know the deal. They are doing it to help make a D1 or high level D2 college roster spot available. That's it. That's why my own kid does it. No one inside the program is being fooled...

And the argument from some that MLSN is just for creating some sort of pro pathway and they don't care about college or anything else is a fool. Why would they expand to P2P clubs? Why would they create MLSN2? It is literally just a youth league like any other youth league out there. The only difference is that there are a few (very few) legitimate academies at the very top.

This is true in our experience. MLS academy players are the only ones with a realistic chance to go pro and even that chance is pretty small. Both players at mlsnext p2p clubs and ecnl players have virtually no shot at pro.

I think mlsnext has some things in place at the u13 and u14 level that prioritize development and that gives them an advantage over ecnl. Beyond that, not much difference between the leagues.

As far as which league is better for college placement, that probably depends on which league is more competitive in your geographic area, the contacts your personal coach has with colleges, and the help your specific gives with college placement. In our experience, most clubs provide very little help and it’s up to the athlete to market themselves. College scouts are at mlsnext and ecnl events but they rarely just stumble onto a kid by chance watching, there’s usually been prior communication.

In the past, a draw for mlsnext has been that they play mls academy teams. Now they are playing academy teams a year younger. I’m curious to see if that draw remains the same. There wasn’t as much excitement to play that game for my sons team this fall but maybe that won’t be others experience.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of MLSN talk on an ECNL thread. Why don’t you people nut up and start your own thread. Because you are clearly on the wrong thread and only the two of you care about this. You can talk about your academy kids nonexistent chance of making pro elsewhere.

The chance for any P2P MLSN player to go pro is 0%. It is a marketing scam that many parents fall for. Any special rule to mimic pro-environment, trying to make those p2p MLSN look legit is fake.

This is true but all of the MLSN p2p players/parents I know also know this. Except for maybe at the U13 level, they all know the deal. They are doing it to help make a D1 or high level D2 college roster spot available. That's it. That's why my own kid does it. No one inside the program is being fooled...

And the argument from some that MLSN is just for creating some sort of pro pathway and they don't care about college or anything else is a fool. Why would they expand to P2P clubs? Why would they create MLSN2? It is literally just a youth league like any other youth league out there. The only difference is that there are a few (very few) legitimate academies at the very top.

I didnt say MLS Next players and parents dont care about playing in college. You added that because you're crazy and have an irrational hate for anything MLS. What I said was playing in college is a by product that occurs if playing professionally doesn't work out. Which is the same thing that happens with foreign Academy washouts. You dont understand this because ECNLs only goal is playing in college and its all you can comprehend.

What are you talking about? My kid plays MLSN, I like the platform better than any other for boys. You were saying that parents were being deluded by MLSN thinking their kids were going to go pro. I was arguing that that is not the case. Maybe for people looking from the outside in it is, but for anyone actually involved in P2P MLSN, we all know the deal. College ball is the priority/goal.

So pretending to be a MLS parent now?

MLS Next even the non Homegrown or Academy players want to play professionally first and college second. Also almost all players will get some opportunities at the Academy level. Which might catch someone's eye. Which again is what everyone is looking for. You don't understand any of this because theres no equivalent in ECNL.

One game a year against the MLSN Academy team, which is one year younger. And you called it an opportunity. It is a bone thrown to you to make you feel your p2p MLSN related to MLSN Academy, which is 100% fake.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of MLSN talk on an ECNL thread. Why don’t you people nut up and start your own thread. Because you are clearly on the wrong thread and only the two of you care about this. You can talk about your academy kids nonexistent chance of making pro elsewhere.

The chance for any P2P MLSN player to go pro is 0%. It is a marketing scam that many parents fall for. Any special rule to mimic pro-environment, trying to make those p2p MLSN look legit is fake.

This is true but all of the MLSN p2p players/parents I know also know this. Except for maybe at the U13 level, they all know the deal. They are doing it to help make a D1 or high level D2 college roster spot available. That's it. That's why my own kid does it. No one inside the program is being fooled...

And the argument from some that MLSN is just for creating some sort of pro pathway and they don't care about college or anything else is a fool. Why would they expand to P2P clubs? Why would they create MLSN2? It is literally just a youth league like any other youth league out there. The only difference is that there are a few (very few) legitimate academies at the very top.

This is true in our experience. MLS academy players are the only ones with a realistic chance to go pro and even that chance is pretty small. Both players at mlsnext p2p clubs and ecnl players have virtually no shot at pro.

I think mlsnext has some things in place at the u13 and u14 level that prioritize development and that gives them an advantage over ecnl. Beyond that, not much difference between the leagues.

As far as which league is better for college placement, that probably depends on which league is more competitive in your geographic area, the contacts your personal coach has with colleges, and the help your specific gives with college placement. In our experience, most clubs provide very little help and it’s up to the athlete to market themselves. College scouts are at mlsnext and ecnl events but they rarely just stumble onto a kid by chance watching, there’s usually been prior communication.

In the past, a draw for mlsnext has been that they play mls academy teams. Now they are playing academy teams a year younger. I’m curious to see if that draw remains the same. There wasn’t as much excitement to play that game for my sons team this fall but maybe that won’t be others experience.

This is like saying my B team player has virtually no shot at winning XYZ championship at the highest level.

Its tier 2 what do you expect?

At least you're teams players are getting looks from top team coaches.

The parents posting here are delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of MLSN talk on an ECNL thread. Why don’t you people nut up and start your own thread. Because you are clearly on the wrong thread and only the two of you care about this. You can talk about your academy kids nonexistent chance of making pro elsewhere.

The chance for any P2P MLSN player to go pro is 0%. It is a marketing scam that many parents fall for. Any special rule to mimic pro-environment, trying to make those p2p MLSN look legit is fake.

This is true but all of the MLSN p2p players/parents I know also know this. Except for maybe at the U13 level, they all know the deal. They are doing it to help make a D1 or high level D2 college roster spot available. That's it. That's why my own kid does it. No one inside the program is being fooled...

And the argument from some that MLSN is just for creating some sort of pro pathway and they don't care about college or anything else is a fool. Why would they expand to P2P clubs? Why would they create MLSN2? It is literally just a youth league like any other youth league out there. The only difference is that there are a few (very few) legitimate academies at the very top.

This is true in our experience. MLS academy players are the only ones with a realistic chance to go pro and even that chance is pretty small. Both players at mlsnext p2p clubs and ecnl players have virtually no shot at pro.

I think mlsnext has some things in place at the u13 and u14 level that prioritize development and that gives them an advantage over ecnl. Beyond that, not much difference between the leagues.

As far as which league is better for college placement, that probably depends on which league is more competitive in your geographic area, the contacts your personal coach has with colleges, and the help your specific gives with college placement. In our experience, most clubs provide very little help and it’s up to the athlete to market themselves. College scouts are at mlsnext and ecnl events but they rarely just stumble onto a kid by chance watching, there’s usually been prior communication.

In the past, a draw for mlsnext has been that they play mls academy teams. Now they are playing academy teams a year younger. I’m curious to see if that draw remains the same. There wasn’t as much excitement to play that game for my sons team this fall but maybe that won’t be others experience.

This is like saying my B team player has virtually no shot at winning XYZ championship at the highest level.

Its tier 2 what do you expect?

At least you're teams players are getting looks from top team coaches.

The parents posting here are delusional.

I don’t think I said otherwise. I think most parents accept it for what it is and for many kids it is the best option.

The idea that mlsnext can’t do xyz because they are solely in the business of creating pros is just not true.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of MLSN talk on an ECNL thread. Why don’t you people nut up and start your own thread. Because you are clearly on the wrong thread and only the two of you care about this. You can talk about your academy kids nonexistent chance of making pro elsewhere.

The chance for any P2P MLSN player to go pro is 0%. It is a marketing scam that many parents fall for. Any special rule to mimic pro-environment, trying to make those p2p MLSN look legit is fake.

This is true but all of the MLSN p2p players/parents I know also know this. Except for maybe at the U13 level, they all know the deal. They are doing it to help make a D1 or high level D2 college roster spot available. That's it. That's why my own kid does it. No one inside the program is being fooled...

And the argument from some that MLSN is just for creating some sort of pro pathway and they don't care about college or anything else is a fool. Why would they expand to P2P clubs? Why would they create MLSN2? It is literally just a youth league like any other youth league out there. The only difference is that there are a few (very few) legitimate academies at the very top.

This is true in our experience. MLS academy players are the only ones with a realistic chance to go pro and even that chance is pretty small. Both players at mlsnext p2p clubs and ecnl players have virtually no shot at pro.

I think mlsnext has some things in place at the u13 and u14 level that prioritize development and that gives them an advantage over ecnl. Beyond that, not much difference between the leagues.

As far as which league is better for college placement, that probably depends on which league is more competitive in your geographic area, the contacts your personal coach has with colleges, and the help your specific gives with college placement. In our experience, most clubs provide very little help and it’s up to the athlete to market themselves. College scouts are at mlsnext and ecnl events but they rarely just stumble onto a kid by chance watching, there’s usually been prior communication.

In the past, a draw for mlsnext has been that they play mls academy teams. Now they are playing academy teams a year younger. I’m curious to see if that draw remains the same. There wasn’t as much excitement to play that game for my sons team this fall but maybe that won’t be others experience.

This is like saying my B team player has virtually no shot at winning XYZ championship at the highest level.

Its tier 2 what do you expect?

At least you're teams players are getting looks from top team coaches.

The parents posting here are delusional.

I don’t think I said otherwise. I think most parents accept it for what it is and for many kids it is the best option.

The idea that mlsnext can’t do xyz because they are solely in the business of creating pros is just not true.

Once again I didn't say that either.

I said MLS Next was created by MLS to find talent that can play professionally. This is the priority. A by product of the league is developing players college teams can recruit.

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In our area, the local MLS pro club is very active at scouting tournaments and games etc. and gets a lot of kids from the top teams in the area - both MLS p2p and ECNL national clubs.

Without throwing shade around, it'd be cool to have one pyramid structure for boys, starting with Rec, state leagues, and leading up to "kids who have a shot at pro".

Until the MLSN Academy change there hadn't been a lot of vitriol between ECNL and MLSN - they must be now competing more directly bodies.

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Anonymous wrote:In our area, the local MLS pro club is very active at scouting tournaments and games etc. and gets a lot of kids from the top teams in the area - both MLS p2p and ECNL national clubs.

Without throwing shade around, it'd be cool to have one pyramid structure for boys, starting with Rec, state leagues, and leading up to "kids who have a shot at pro".

Until the MLSN Academy change there hadn't been a lot of vitriol between ECNL and MLSN - they must be now competing more directly bodies.

I dont think there's any animosity between MLS next and other leagues.

I do think theres a person that posts on this thread that has chosen ECNL as their religion and attacks MLS because of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of MLSN talk on an ECNL thread. Why don’t you people nut up and start your own thread. Because you are clearly on the wrong thread and only the two of you care about this. You can talk about your academy kids nonexistent chance of making pro elsewhere.

The chance for any P2P MLSN player to go pro is 0%. It is a marketing scam that many parents fall for. Any special rule to mimic pro-environment, trying to make those p2p MLSN look legit is fake.

This is true but all of the MLSN p2p players/parents I know also know this. Except for maybe at the U13 level, they all know the deal. They are doing it to help make a D1 or high level D2 college roster spot available. That's it. That's why my own kid does it. No one inside the program is being fooled...

And the argument from some that MLSN is just for creating some sort of pro pathway and they don't care about college or anything else is a fool. Why would they expand to P2P clubs? Why would they create MLSN2? It is literally just a youth league like any other youth league out there. The only difference is that there are a few (very few) legitimate academies at the very top.

This is true in our experience. MLS academy players are the only ones with a realistic chance to go pro and even that chance is pretty small. Both players at mlsnext p2p clubs and ecnl players have virtually no shot at pro.

I think mlsnext has some things in place at the u13 and u14 level that prioritize development and that gives them an advantage over ecnl. Beyond that, not much difference between the leagues.

As far as which league is better for college placement, that probably depends on which league is more competitive in your geographic area, the contacts your personal coach has with colleges, and the help your specific gives with college placement. In our experience, most clubs provide very little help and it’s up to the athlete to market themselves. College scouts are at mlsnext and ecnl events but they rarely just stumble onto a kid by chance watching, there’s usually been prior communication.

In the past, a draw for mlsnext has been that they play mls academy teams. Now they are playing academy teams a year younger. I’m curious to see if that draw remains the same. There wasn’t as much excitement to play that game for my sons team this fall but maybe that won’t be others experience.

This is like saying my B team player has virtually no shot at winning XYZ championship at the highest level.

Its tier 2 what do you expect?

At least you're teams players are getting looks from top team coaches.

The parents posting here are delusional.

I don’t think I said otherwise. I think most parents accept it for what it is and for many kids it is the best option.

The idea that mlsnext can’t do xyz because they are solely in the business of creating pros is just not true.

Once again I didn't say that either.

I said MLS Next was created by MLS to find talent that can play professionally. This is the priority. A by product of the league is developing players college teams can recruit.

I do agree that part is true. It’s also true that academies spend a lot of money developing kids and there’s not a lot of money being made selling kids or signing kids to homegrown contracts. At least not enough to offset the money being put in. Some academies are better at this than others, but this goal and original purpose of this league is not profitable.

The majority of the money being made by the league is from p2p mlsnext homegrown and academy/second tier clubs.

As with anything, money drives goals and decision making. That may have been the original purpose of the league but it’s not currently the whole picture of what’s going on.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of MLSN talk on an ECNL thread. Why don’t you people nut up and start your own thread. Because you are clearly on the wrong thread and only the two of you care about this. You can talk about your academy kids nonexistent chance of making pro elsewhere.

The chance for any P2P MLSN player to go pro is 0%. It is a marketing scam that many parents fall for. Any special rule to mimic pro-environment, trying to make those p2p MLSN look legit is fake.

This is true but all of the MLSN p2p players/parents I know also know this. Except for maybe at the U13 level, they all know the deal. They are doing it to help make a D1 or high level D2 college roster spot available. That's it. That's why my own kid does it. No one inside the program is being fooled...

And the argument from some that MLSN is just for creating some sort of pro pathway and they don't care about college or anything else is a fool. Why would they expand to P2P clubs? Why would they create MLSN2? It is literally just a youth league like any other youth league out there. The only difference is that there are a few (very few) legitimate academies at the very top.

This is true in our experience. MLS academy players are the only ones with a realistic chance to go pro and even that chance is pretty small. Both players at mlsnext p2p clubs and ecnl players have virtually no shot at pro.

I think mlsnext has some things in place at the u13 and u14 level that prioritize development and that gives them an advantage over ecnl. Beyond that, not much difference between the leagues.

As far as which league is better for college placement, that probably depends on which league is more competitive in your geographic area, the contacts your personal coach has with colleges, and the help your specific gives with college placement. In our experience, most clubs provide very little help and it’s up to the athlete to market themselves. College scouts are at mlsnext and ecnl events but they rarely just stumble onto a kid by chance watching, there’s usually been prior communication.

In the past, a draw for mlsnext has been that they play mls academy teams. Now they are playing academy teams a year younger. I’m curious to see if that draw remains the same. There wasn’t as much excitement to play that game for my sons team this fall but maybe that won’t be others experience.

This is like saying my B team player has virtually no shot at winning XYZ championship at the highest level.

Its tier 2 what do you expect?

At least you're teams players are getting looks from top team coaches.

The parents posting here are delusional.

I don’t think I said otherwise. I think most parents accept it for what it is and for many kids it is the best option.

The idea that mlsnext can’t do xyz because they are solely in the business of creating pros is just not true.

Once again I didn't say that either.

I said MLS Next was created by MLS to find talent that can play professionally. This is the priority. A by product of the league is developing players college teams can recruit.

I do agree that part is true. It’s also true that academies spend a lot of money developing kids and there’s not a lot of money being made selling kids or signing kids to homegrown contracts. At least not enough to offset the money being put in. Some academies are better at this than others, but this goal and original purpose of this league is not profitable.

The majority of the money being made by the league is from p2p mlsnext homegrown and academy/second tier clubs.

As with anything, money drives goals and decision making. That may have been the original purpose of the league but it’s not currently the whole picture of what’s going on.

Whats going to be interesting is now that collges can pay players. How long do you think it will be before MLS Next starts charging colleges for MLS talent? Eventually all the pro leagues will figure out that they can work together to force colleges to pay a fee per player.