Kyle Rittenhouse: Vigilante White Men

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Anonymous wrote:We should also be concerned that it is totally acceptable for a 17 year old to illegally possess an automatic weapon, and cross state lines during a riot literally seeking trouble and not only suffer no repercussion for killing two people, but being celebrated and rewarded for his actions.

No remorse whatsoever, no self-awareness. He is going to kill again, bank on it.


1. There was no automatic weapon.
2. Crossing state lines is not a crime and something millions of people do daily.
3. You have no idea of the future. None.


An AR15 can fire 30 rounds of ammunition! If that’s not an automatic weapon then I don’t know WTF is!!!!!


Yes, you clearly don't know what is.

An AR15 can actually fire much more than 30 rounds, it is limited only by its magazine. Of course the same is truck of a Glock pistol and you can buy a 30 round magazine (or larger) for one of them as well.

The capacity of a weapon's magazine does not determine if it is "automatic" or not.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We should also be concerned that it is totally acceptable for a 17 year old to illegally possess an automatic weapon, and cross state lines during a riot literally seeking trouble and not only suffer no repercussion for killing two people, but being celebrated and rewarded for his actions.

No remorse whatsoever, no self-awareness. He is going to kill again, bank on it.


1. There was no automatic weapon.
2. Crossing state lines is not a crime and something millions of people do daily.
3. You have no idea of the future. None.


An AR15 can fire 30 rounds of ammunition! If that’s not an automatic weapon then I don’t know WTF is!!!!!


You are correct. You do not know what an automatic weapon is. Spoiler alert, it has nothing to do with the number of rounds.
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Anonymous wrote:We should also be concerned that it is totally acceptable for a 17 year old to illegally possess an automatic weapon, and cross state lines during a riot literally seeking trouble and not only suffer no repercussion for killing two people, but being celebrated and rewarded for his actions.

No remorse whatsoever, no self-awareness. He is going to kill again, bank on it.


Even when presented with facts, you choose to ignore them and paint your own narrative.


NP. I don’t want to get into the merits of this verdict, I think this case was rightfully won on the technicalities of the law and the performance of the defense and prosecution.

I am curious whether it’s acceptable to you that a 17 year old can legally carry an army style weapon, travel to an area of unrest and confront other violent individuals? To me that’s a breakdown of the social fabric, like Clockwork Orange come to life.






DP. I don't think it is okay. But, it was legal. However, it is clear that Rittenhouse was attacked. It was self-defense. Should he have been there? No. Should the pthers have been there? No. Should they have attacked Rittenhouse? I think the answer is pretty clear.

The big mistake (I posted this earlier) was Jacob Blake pulling a knife and the media cover up of that fact.


I don't think Kyle should have been there. But, it seems odd to me that people have no concerns about the people he shot doing exactly the same thing (traveling to Kenosha with guns during a riot/protest). I don't think it can be okay for them and not okay for Kyle.


He was there at the request of a business along with a bunch of others with ARs because the businesses realized the police were not going to step in to protect their businesses. (I guess this weekend we should just let the businesses burn when police and fire do not respond?)

It’s not the place of civilians to protect things (i.e. “property”) via the employing of deadly violence. Those who own the things have insurance. Furthermore, society has decided that is the role of police. Are you arguing for defunding the police in favor of armed vigilantes?
If the kid had just minded his own business he would not be a national pariah.



It is absolutely the place of civilians to protect life and property. What planet do you live on? Do you think citizens forfeit their right to protect their property or others’ just because police departments exist.


DP. Are you saying that it is the place of civilians to protect property that is not theirs? With a gun? In a fight to the death? Why do you value property more than human life? And why should rando civilians "protect" a stranger's property with a gun? Why isn't the property owner out there protecting their own property?


I am not the PP, but civilians are allowed under the law to defend property, theirs and that of others, depending on the specific circumstances.

A bouncer at a bar is a civilian, a security guard is a civilian, a random stranger who observes a crime in progress and intervenes is a civilian.

I don't think those killed "deserved" to die, but I also don't care that they did. When you attack someone in the midst of a riot you are risking your life. They knew Rittenhouse was armed and bet their lives that he wouldn't use his rifle or that they could otherwise gain the advantage on him despite it. They bet wrong obviously and I am not about to feel bad for them.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We should also be concerned that it is totally acceptable for a 17 year old to illegally possess an automatic weapon, and cross state lines during a riot literally seeking trouble and not only suffer no repercussion for killing two people, but being celebrated and rewarded for his actions.

No remorse whatsoever, no self-awareness. He is going to kill again, bank on it.


1. There was no automatic weapon.
2. Crossing state lines is not a crime and something millions of people do daily.
3. You have no idea of the future. None.


An AR15 can fire 30 rounds of ammunition! If that’s not an automatic weapon then I don’t know WTF is!!!!!


Automatic- multiple bullets come out of the gun on one trigger pull until you let go.
Semi- automatic- one bullet per trigger pull even if you don't release. The next bullet will be ready for the next trigger pull, but it won't come out of the gun until you pull the trigger.
AR-15 is semi- automatic as are most modern guns.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We should also be concerned that it is totally acceptable for a 17 year old to illegally possess an automatic weapon, and cross state lines during a riot literally seeking trouble and not only suffer no repercussion for killing two people, but being celebrated and rewarded for his actions.

No remorse whatsoever, no self-awareness. He is going to kill again, bank on it.


1. There was no automatic weapon.
2. Crossing state lines is not a crime and something millions of people do daily.
3. You have no idea of the future. None.


An AR15 can fire 30 rounds of ammunition! If that’s not an automatic weapon then I don’t know WTF is!!!!!


Then you do not know what one is. An automatic weapon is a weapon that continues to fire when the trigger is depressed. If you pulled the trigger and held it -- all of the bullets would come out in under 2.5 seconds. A semi-automatic weapon which includes most rifles and handguns sends only one bullet each time the trigger is pulled. So if you pulled the trigger and held it, only one bullet would fire. An AR 15 can hold as many or as few bullets as are in the magazine. Can be way less than 30 and can be many many more with an extended clip. Same as a handgun. A handgun like a 9mm is semi-automatic. It can have whatever bullets are in the magazine. As Warren G and Nate dog sing -- sixteen in the clip and one in the hole. But an extended clip can hold many more -- 25, 40, or more.
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Anonymous wrote:We should also be concerned that it is totally acceptable for a 17 year old to illegally possess an automatic weapon, and cross state lines during a riot literally seeking trouble and not only suffer no repercussion for killing two people, but being celebrated and rewarded for his actions.

No remorse whatsoever, no self-awareness. He is going to kill again, bank on it.


Even when presented with facts, you choose to ignore them and paint your own narrative.


NP. I don’t want to get into the merits of this verdict, I think this case was rightfully won on the technicalities of the law and the performance of the defense and prosecution.

I am curious whether it’s acceptable to you that a 17 year old can legally carry an army style weapon, travel to an area of unrest and confront other violent individuals? To me that’s a breakdown of the social fabric, like Clockwork Orange come to life.






DP. I don't think it is okay. But, it was legal. However, it is clear that Rittenhouse was attacked. It was self-defense. Should he have been there? No. Should the pthers have been there? No. Should they have attacked Rittenhouse? I think the answer is pretty clear.

The big mistake (I posted this earlier) was Jacob Blake pulling a knife and the media cover up of that fact.


I don't think Kyle should have been there. But, it seems odd to me that people have no concerns about the people he shot doing exactly the same thing (traveling to Kenosha with guns during a riot/protest). I don't think it can be okay for them and not okay for Kyle.


He was there at the request of a business along with a bunch of others with ARs because the businesses realized the police were not going to step in to protect their businesses. (I guess this weekend we should just let the businesses burn when police and fire do not respond?)

It’s not the place of civilians to protect things (i.e. “property”) via the employing of deadly violence. Those who own the things have insurance. Furthermore, society has decided that is the role of police. Are you arguing for defunding the police in favor of armed vigilantes?
If the kid had just minded his own business he would not be a national pariah.



It is absolutely the place of civilians to protect life and property. What planet do you live on? Do you think citizens forfeit their right to protect their property or others’ just because police departments exist.


DP. Are you saying that it is the place of civilians to protect property that is not theirs? With a gun? In a fight to the death? Why do you value property more than human life? And why should rando civilians "protect" a stranger's property with a gun? Why isn't the property owner out there protecting their own property?


Sure. It can be.
Anonymous
I don't really understand the whole outrage. Let's be frank, this whole thing was a giant Darwin award, Rittenhouse included. The world is actually better off that the two lunatics who died are no longer on it. People die every day, unfortunately, and so it would be more logical from a political strategy situation for people to save their outrage for a case where the people who died actually deserve anyone's sympathy. The dead career criminal pedophile and wife beater rioters in this situation assumed the risk and were not likely to have long, happy productive lives given their continued patterns of behavior anyways.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We should also be concerned that it is totally acceptable for a 17 year old to illegally possess an automatic weapon, and cross state lines during a riot literally seeking trouble and not only suffer no repercussion for killing two people, but being celebrated and rewarded for his actions.

No remorse whatsoever, no self-awareness. He is going to kill again, bank on it.


1. There was no automatic weapon.
2. Crossing state lines is not a crime and something millions of people do daily.
3. You have no idea of the future. None.


An AR15 can fire 30 rounds of ammunition! If that’s not an automatic weapon then I don’t know WTF is!!!!!


Educate yourself. It isn't. You come across as ignorant and unwilling to actually understand facts.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We should also be concerned that it is totally acceptable for a 17 year old to illegally possess an automatic weapon, and cross state lines during a riot literally seeking trouble and not only suffer no repercussion for killing two people, but being celebrated and rewarded for his actions.

No remorse whatsoever, no self-awareness. He is going to kill again, bank on it.


Even when presented with facts, you choose to ignore them and paint your own narrative.


NP. I don’t want to get into the merits of this verdict, I think this case was rightfully won on the technicalities of the law and the performance of the defense and prosecution.

I am curious whether it’s acceptable to you that a 17 year old can legally carry an army style weapon, travel to an area of unrest and confront other violent individuals? To me that’s a breakdown of the social fabric, like Clockwork Orange come to life.




I think that rioters burning a city in protest of the police rightfully shooting a violent convicted criminal who was resisting arrest and lunging for a weapon is the foundational problem. Seeing video of business owners on their roofs defending themselves from rioters because the police were unable to help paints a dystopian picture of how low we’ve sunk as a nation. Should 17 year olds be allowed to own guns…..definitely not. Should this kid have been wandering into a riot……definitely not. Did this kid confront anybody……definitely not. But take a step back and identify the real problem with what happened in Kenosha and how the media covered this case…….those are the issues that are corrosive to society not some idiot kid.


PP here again. What I hear you say is that this young boy carrying a rifle and heading into an area of unrest is acceptable to you under the circumstances and for the reasons that you listed.

Again, I have no interest in defending the riots or the violent individuals that were killed. But, I just want to point out that the riots/civil unrest were being handled by the appropriate legal authorities. People showing up with guns and taking matters into their own hands ( to defend a third party’s property) elevate a riot into warfare.

Whether you like it or not, one of the messages that comes out from this case is that it is now socially acceptable for armed citizens (children at that) to engage in policing and the carry out of justice if they are sympathetic enough. This will embolden others to follow in his steps. If you don’t recognize that, then you are too emotionally involved in the political side of this.


The riots were most certainly NOT being handled by the authorities. One truly disappointing aspect of those riots nationwide was the extent to which elected officials and law enforcement departments stood back and allowed communities to be absolutely terrorized by hordes of jackasses living out some "Purge" fantasy. If the authorities responded firmly and appropriately, there would have been far less need for civilians to arm themselves. There is a reason gun sales skyrocketed in the wake of these riots.


Of course they were being handled, there was a curfew and the whole police force patrolling the streets. Maybe it wasn’t handled to your satisfaction, they were short in numbers, but there were professionals there trained in managing civil unrest.

I don’t like how the politicians handled it, including the governor. They heard it at the ballot box and they will hear it for years to come. I still find it disturbing that you think jacked up teens who run around with a rifle will resolve public unrest when the police hasn’t been able to quell it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand the whole outrage. Let's be frank, this whole thing was a giant Darwin award, Rittenhouse included. The world is actually better off that the two lunatics who died are no longer on it. People die every day, unfortunately, and so it would be more logical from a political strategy situation for people to save their outrage for a case where the people who died actually deserve anyone's sympathy. The dead career criminal pedophile and wife beater rioters in this situation assumed the risk and were not likely to have long, happy productive lives given their continued patterns of behavior anyways.


Agree. And the cherry on top will be when some nut blasts Kyle and his mom for the notoriety.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand the whole outrage. Let's be frank, this whole thing was a giant Darwin award, Rittenhouse included. The world is actually better off that the two lunatics who died are no longer on it. People die every day, unfortunately, and so it would be more logical from a political strategy situation for people to save their outrage for a case where the people who died actually deserve anyone's sympathy. The dead career criminal pedophile and wife beater rioters in this situation assumed the risk and were not likely to have long, happy productive lives given their continued patterns of behavior anyways.


It's about the message the verdict sends and about the fact that it will encourage more dumb--and potentially fatal--acts of vigilantism. Also, if all life is precious, what does it matter how morally reprehensible the victims were?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand the whole outrage. Let's be frank, this whole thing was a giant Darwin award, Rittenhouse included. The world is actually better off that the two lunatics who died are no longer on it. People die every day, unfortunately, and so it would be more logical from a political strategy situation for people to save their outrage for a case where the people who died actually deserve anyone's sympathy. The dead career criminal pedophile and wife beater rioters in this situation assumed the risk and were not likely to have long, happy productive lives given their continued patterns of behavior anyways.


There is outrage because the two felons that died are viewed as Team Blue, and their killer is viewed as Team Red.

It has nothing to do with the specifics of what happened, as proven 100x by posters here who have demonstrated that they don't know the specifics of the case or believe that crossing state lines is significant somehow.

If a couple of Proud Boys, both with felony convictions, had attacked a 17 year old BLM protestor who was armed with a rifle, and the 17 year old killed them in self defense nobody would care.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are 17 yo allowed to carry guns?! This is the root of the problem!

agree, and not just a little handgun, but a semiautomatic. This kid clearly had GI Joe fantasies and played too many video games.


Uh, most handguns are semiautomatic. If you don’t know anything about firearms, you may want to refrain from opining on such matters.


I’ll proudly admit knowing absolutely nothing about guns! The only thing I need to know about them is that they should all be outlawed.

Oh, and gun nutters all have tiny dicks. So I guess that’s two things I know about guns. But nothing beyond that.


+1 million

The bigger the gun, the smaller the d**k.


Clearly to make such a statement you must be speaking from experience (otherwise you’re just spouting nonsense that you wish were true, but I’m sure you already knew that). I’m a little shocked that someone who is anti gun would not only associate with a GUN NUTTER but get close enough to see his penis.
You learn something new every day.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand the whole outrage. Let's be frank, this whole thing was a giant Darwin award, Rittenhouse included. The world is actually better off that the two lunatics who died are no longer on it. People die every day, unfortunately, and so it would be more logical from a political strategy situation for people to save their outrage for a case where the people who died actually deserve anyone's sympathy. The dead career criminal pedophile and wife beater rioters in this situation assumed the risk and were not likely to have long, happy productive lives given their continued patterns of behavior anyways.


It's about the message the verdict sends and about the fact that it will encourage more dumb--and potentially fatal--acts of vigilantism. Also, if all life is precious, what does it matter how morally reprehensible the victims were?


Maybe the message it sends is that you don't get to attack someone who is obstructing your rioting.

Maybe the message it sends is that the police need to step in early and stop rioting and arson rather than parking down the street and watching from a safe distance.

Seems like there are a few potential messages here.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Why are 17 yo allowed to carry guns?! This is the root of the problem!

In rural parts of the country, millions of teenagers hunt both as a hobby and as a way to help feed their families. An AR-15 is just another long rifle, which is why there wasn’t anything illegal about Rittenhouse possessing it. It’s a common fact of life in many rural areas.

Long rifles aren’t really a significant part of gun violence. They make up about 3% of murder weapons.
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