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09/12/2025 10:15

Subject: Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people who say that no one knew this guy and that their well-informed kids didn't know him... sorry, but your kids are not well-informed.

I am 50-year-old mom and I get that, if you don't ever look at social media you may not have heard of him, but if you have teens you absolutely should have.

Charlie Kirk was uber famous. There are memes about the memes about him.

I am looking forward to when the 48-hours expire and we can discuss some of his views here. I wholeheartedly respect DCUM's rules and I condemn in the strongest possible terms what happened to Charlie Kirk. No one asks or deserves to me murdered. Political violence is horrible for all of us. But Charlie Kirk was a very famous public figure and there is no contradiction between denouncing the assassination and critiquing his views.

I’ve never heard of him nor have my tweens. We aren’t big into SM though. Is Kirk kinda like Mr. Beast? I have heard of Mr. Beast? Is that his name? He had his own brand of lunchables.

If you had an 18 year old boy he would have heard of him. My college freshman said the killing was all his team talked about at practice yesterday. The team is a mix of conservative and liberal kids and opinions on Kirk ranged from adoration to disgust. He said they had a respectful discussion, which gave me great hope.

I'm struggling with adoration of hate and why people who were the targets of Kirk's hate need to be respectful.

What people or individuals were targeted of “Kirk’s hate”? When did he said he hated person XYZ or a group of people abc?

Or did he said he hates crime? Or murderers? Or hates the lack of morals out there?

What did he say he hated exactly? A thing? A concept? A proper noun person? A group of benign people? A country?

He said he wouldn’t feel comfortable with a Black pilot, no? Kind of hate adjacent.

Let’s put this in context….
Kirk’s comments were part of a broader critique of DEI. He was pointing out that when the emphasis on hiring is all about skin color and gender, then merit takes a back seat. Example: United Airlines goal to have 40% of its pilots be women or people of color which would relax the standards of hiring.
This is certainly a legitimate point about the potential effect of diversity initiatives on hiring standards.
When the focus is on skin color and gender, how can the public be certain that qualifications for pilots have not been compromised?

The context in which he said it matters. He went on that rant after an air accident in which none of the pilots were black and the plane pilots were not responsible and had no way of avoiding the collision. So using an airline tragedy that had nothing to do with the hiring of airline pilots to attack black airline pilots is in fact really racist.

And his comments were in response to a question. He is absolutely right about the danger of DEI lowering standards.

Are standards, in fact, lower for hiring black pilots? Or are only *qualified* candidates considered for employment, and, all other things being equal, preference is given to black pilots?

Nope. It is coded and terribly harmful. The insinuation of a comment like this is that the black pilot must be unqualified. It’s all part of the racist trope playbook. And in CK’s case, he had a big audience, charisma, and was the great white hope. He actually reminds me of the YouTube boxer that hawks energy drinks to the kids….but that one is less racist. PR stunts and likes.