Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:Checking out his mom FACEBOOK account seems like he was right wing

Have any actual media organizations said that this woman is the shooter’s mother? She may very well be, but I don’t consider some other poster on X to be a credible source.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

Look how fast they pivoted from trans to autistic. These RWNJs are something else.

Could his defense use autism as a mitigating factor against the death penalty?

Why do you assume autism here?

That was based on a pp here.

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people who say that no one knew this guy and that their well-informed kids didn't know him... sorry, but your kids are not well-informed.

I am 50-year-old mom and I get that, if you don't ever look at social media you may not have heard of him, but if you have teens you absolutely should have.

Charlie Kirk was uber famous. There are memes about the memes about him.

I am looking forward to when the 48-hours expire and we can discuss some of his views here. I wholeheartedly respect DCUM's rules and I condemn in the strongest possible terms what happened to Charlie Kirk. No one asks or deserves to me murdered. Political violence is horrible for all of us. But Charlie Kirk was a very famous public figure and there is no contradiction between denouncing the assassination and critiquing his views.

I’ve never heard of him nor have my tweens. We aren’t big into SM though. Is Kirk kinda like Mr. Beast? I have heard of Mr. Beast? Is that his name? He had his own brand of lunchables.

If you had an 18 year old boy he would have heard of him. My college freshman said the killing was all his team talked about at practice yesterday. The team is a mix of conservative and liberal kids and opinions on Kirk ranged from adoration to disgust. He said they had a respectful discussion, which gave me great hope.

I'm struggling with adoration of hate and why people who were the targets of Kirk's hate need to be respectful.

What people or individuals were targeted of “Kirk’s hate”? When did he said he hated person XYZ or a group of people abc?

Or did he said he hates crime? Or murderers? Or hates the lack of morals out there?

What did he say he hated exactly? A thing? A concept? A proper noun person? A group of benign people? A country?

I’m going to keep saying this until one of you Kirk fans actually addresses it, because you keep conveniently ignoring it. His organization maintained a “Professor Watch List” website to publicly doxx professors he didn’t agree with. What is that if not targeting? Professors on that list have been subjected to death threats and in some cases have needed security to do their jobs. Stop glossing over this just because it doesn’t fit what you want to say about the guy.

+1 Here’s what Howard professor Stacey Patton had to say about this:

“I am on Charlie Kirk’s hit list. His so-called ‘Professor Watchlist,’ run under the umbrella of Turning Point USA, is nothing more than a digital hit list for academics who dare to speak truth to power. I landed there in 2024 after writing commentary that inflamed the MAGA faithful. And once my name went up, the harassment machine roared to life.

For weeks my inbox and voicemail were deluged. Mostly white men spat venom through the phone: ‘b****,’ ‘c***,’ ‘n****r.’ They threatened all manner of violence.

They overwhelmed the university’s PR lines and the president’s office with calls demanding that I be fired. The flood was so relentless that the head of campus security reached out to offer me an escort, because they feared one of these keyboard soldiers might step out of his basement and come do me harm.

And I am not unique. Kirk’s Watchlist has terrorized legions of professors across this country. Women, Black faculty, queer scholars, basically anyone who challenged white supremacy, gun culture, or Christian nationalism suddenly found themselves targets of coordinated abuse. Some received death threats. Some had their jobs threatened. Some left academia entirely. Kirk sent the loud message to us: speak the truth and we will unleash the mob!

That is the culture of violence Charlie Kirk built. He normalized violence. He curated it, monetized it, and sicced it on anyone who dared to puncture his movement’s lies.

And now, in the wake of his shooting, there’s all this national outpouring of mourning, moments of silence, yellow prayer hands, and tributes painting him as a civil debater. But the truth is that Kirk and his foot soldiers spent years terrorizing educators, trying to silence us with harassment and fear!

And now the same violence he unleashed on others has come full circle.

But what i find especially jarring is the dissonance in public mourning for a smug white man whose life work was actively hostile to certain groups,. Kirk spent years demonizing LGBTQ people, mocking gun survivors, spewing racism about Black folks, and pushing policies that literally shorten lives.

It is so revolting to watch a bipartisan wave of grief sweep over this hateful racist as if he was a neutral community servant.”

Thank you. Stacy Patton's story isn't the only one. But Kirk fans will keep studiously ignoring this. So sick of the gaslighting. It's disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

So all those posts about some trans person named Skye were right wing lies?

Yes, specifically from 4Chan.

I’m sure they’ll claim the actual shooter is trans. Just give them enough time. They are obsessed with trans people. Trans people do everything all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

Look how fast they pivoted from trans to autistic. These RWNJs are something else.

Could his defense use autism as a mitigating factor against the death penalty?

Is he in fact on the spectrum?

I don’t think there is any evidence of that, they just said that because he got a high ACT score.

Laying the groundwork to ban trans people and smart people from owning guns.

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He is from very conservative and religious area. The NYPost is nit saying anything about him. Looks like this is a red on red thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

Look how fast they pivoted from trans to autistic. These RWNJs are something else.

Could his defense use autism as a mitigating factor against the death penalty?

Is he in fact on the spectrum?

You mean people can't blame the shooter for being black/brown/Muslim/trans, you want to equate good grades/test scores as being grounds to diagnose autism?

No, but there sure is an ongoing pattern with shooters. That doesn't mean autistic males are by definition liable to be shooters, it does mean that a large propensity of male shooters are on the spectrum.

I think being raised Mormon is more likely make somebody a little off center rather than autism. It's a crazy religion. I am low-key obsessed with it.

Then you probably know about the Mountain Meadows Massacre in 1857 (120 people travelling from Arkansas killed by Mormons while passing through Utah en route to California).

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

Look how fast they pivoted from trans to autistic. These RWNJs are something else.

Could his defense use autism as a mitigating factor against the death penalty?

I doubt he has autism, that’s just Evan Kilgore’s nonsense on the quoted tweet (“autistically smart”). For the record, I have no idea who Evan Kilgore is but he apparently has an interest in convincing his followers that people who do very well in school have autism.

It’s crazy that some guy tweets that the shooter was ”autistically smart” (do we even know for sure if the post he retweeted was actually from the mother of the shooter, just because this guy says it was?), and now some DCUM posters actually believe that the shooter has autism, like it’s a fact. Seriously disturbing.

And now we have some jackass on this thread trying to plant the seed that many? most? probably all? shooters have autism. Crazy messaging from these people.

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people who say that no one knew this guy and that their well-informed kids didn't know him... sorry, but your kids are not well-informed.

I am 50-year-old mom and I get that, if you don't ever look at social media you may not have heard of him, but if you have teens you absolutely should have.

Charlie Kirk was uber famous. There are memes about the memes about him.

I am looking forward to when the 48-hours expire and we can discuss some of his views here. I wholeheartedly respect DCUM's rules and I condemn in the strongest possible terms what happened to Charlie Kirk. No one asks or deserves to me murdered. Political violence is horrible for all of us. But Charlie Kirk was a very famous public figure and there is no contradiction between denouncing the assassination and critiquing his views.

I’ve never heard of him nor have my tweens. We aren’t big into SM though. Is Kirk kinda like Mr. Beast? I have heard of Mr. Beast? Is that his name? He had his own brand of lunchables.

If you had an 18 year old boy he would have heard of him. My college freshman said the killing was all his team talked about at practice yesterday. The team is a mix of conservative and liberal kids and opinions on Kirk ranged from adoration to disgust. He said they had a respectful discussion, which gave me great hope.

I'm struggling with adoration of hate and why people who were the targets of Kirk's hate need to be respectful.

What people or individuals were targeted of “Kirk’s hate”? When did he said he hated person XYZ or a group of people abc?

Or did he said he hates crime? Or murderers? Or hates the lack of morals out there?

What did he say he hated exactly? A thing? A concept? A proper noun person? A group of benign people? A country?

I’m going to keep saying this until one of you Kirk fans actually addresses it, because you keep conveniently ignoring it. His organization maintained a “Professor Watch List” website to publicly doxx professors he didn’t agree with. What is that if not targeting? Professors on that list have been subjected to death threats and in some cases have needed security to do their jobs. Stop glossing over this just because it doesn’t fit what you want to say about the guy.

+1 Here’s what Howard professor Stacey Patton had to say about this:

“I am on Charlie Kirk’s hit list. His so-called ‘Professor Watchlist,’ run under the umbrella of Turning Point USA, is nothing more than a digital hit list for academics who dare to speak truth to power. I landed there in 2024 after writing commentary that inflamed the MAGA faithful. And once my name went up, the harassment machine roared to life.

For weeks my inbox and voicemail were deluged. Mostly white men spat venom through the phone: ‘b****,’ ‘c***,’ ‘n****r.’ They threatened all manner of violence.

They overwhelmed the university’s PR lines and the president’s office with calls demanding that I be fired. The flood was so relentless that the head of campus security reached out to offer me an escort, because they feared one of these keyboard soldiers might step out of his basement and come do me harm.

And I am not unique. Kirk’s Watchlist has terrorized legions of professors across this country. Women, Black faculty, queer scholars, basically anyone who challenged white supremacy, gun culture, or Christian nationalism suddenly found themselves targets of coordinated abuse. Some received death threats. Some had their jobs threatened. Some left academia entirely. Kirk sent the loud message to us: speak the truth and we will unleash the mob!

That is the culture of violence Charlie Kirk built. He normalized violence. He curated it, monetized it, and sicced it on anyone who dared to puncture his movement’s lies.

And now, in the wake of his shooting, there’s all this national outpouring of mourning, moments of silence, yellow prayer hands, and tributes painting him as a civil debater. But the truth is that Kirk and his foot soldiers spent years terrorizing educators, trying to silence us with harassment and fear!

And now the same violence he unleashed on others has come full circle.

But what i find especially jarring is the dissonance in public mourning for a smug white man whose life work was actively hostile to certain groups,. Kirk spent years demonizing LGBTQ people, mocking gun survivors, spewing racism about Black folks, and pushing policies that literally shorten lives.

It is so revolting to watch a bipartisan wave of grief sweep over this hateful racist as if he was a neutral community servant.”

Thank you for sharing this.

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Anonymous wrote:He is from very conservative and religious area. The NYPost is nit saying anything about him. Looks like this is a red on red thing.

And his dad was in law enforcement.

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Anonymous wrote:Checking out his mom FACEBOOK account seems like he was right wing

According to the press briefing - he hated Charlie Kirk. And the messages inscribed on the ballistics indicates he was echoing the narrative of leftists - fascist.

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Anonymous wrote:Checking out his mom FACEBOOK account seems like he was right wing

Or rather his MOM is.

Dad is also definitely right wing.

Mormon relatives, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, a handsome really smart clean-cut kid.

Look how fast they pivoted from trans to autistic. These RWNJs are something else.

Could his defense use autism as a mitigating factor against the death penalty?

Why do you assume autism here?

That was based on a pp here.

Pp was just reposting a twitter troll

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Anonymous wrote:I think many of you leftists have no idea why Kirk's assassination has turned into such a big deal.

Kirk was doing it "the right way" according to the left. Disagree politely, listen, give the other side space.

And he was killed because leftists didn't like what he had to say (as this thread amply shows) and they didn't want him to keep saying it.

Lots and lots of the "Democrat base" are celebrating and cheering the deliberate murder of someone who had the guts to publicly disagree with the left. "Debate this!" I see the signs being posted on college campuses, with a drawing of Kirk bleeding out from his neck.

So.

What value is there is "peace" and "restraint" when leftists murdered the most prominent guy on the right who was all about peace and restraint? And celebrate his death?

If you leftists are so glad to see Kirk killed... well, there's no possibility of peace, is there. He WAS the "peaceful solution". And leftists murdered him for it. Or at least are very happy about it.

If Kirk is not acceptable to the left.... we all know you guys would GLADLY kill the rest of us, too.

Kirk was a sort of "ambassador" to the left... and he was murdered because of it. What happens when an ambassador is killed? That's a casus belli and has been since Ghengis Khan, at the very least.

I don’t appreciate the broad generalization happening here. First off, this person probably worked alone, 75 million people and or anyone official is involved here. I have no control over what others say or do. And I think “lots” is an exaggeration. The celebrators are a minority amongst a large group of people.

It's been less than 24 hours since he was killed, and I've already seen coworkers, people just out in public - and certainly a lot of people on this very board, openly cheering that he was killed.

I think you're wrong in thinking that this is a 'small' segment of people on the left. I wasn't even looking, and saw dozens of examples of it, less than a day after he was killed.

I didn't agree with much of anything Charlie Kirk said. But first and foremost, he was a human being, with a wife and two young kids that will now grow up without a father. I'm deeply disappointed and kind of shocked by my own political party at the moment. There's some sickening stuff being said on reddit/bluesky/twitter, and it's not even been a day.

If you have receipts, then post them.

The party of free speech has assembled a website doxxing people online who have criticized Kirk calling it “Charlie’s Murderers.” Real normal behavior there.

Are you saying that site is officially sponsored by the Republican Party? If so, can you please provide proof of this?

Also, while the name of the site is hyperbolic (obviously to get clicks), it would appear to be a collection of postings that is no different than any other site (regardless of political alignment) that assembles outrageous statements to amplify and call attention to them. Isn't this what politicians and political activists do every day? That would seem to be "normal" behavior (aside from the site name itself). The disgusting postings it collects seem to be abnormal behavior.

By the way, "Free Speech" only relates to the right of the government to restrict your speech. Even in that context, while you are free to say what you want, you are not free from the consequences of such speech by the broader society in general.

I know exactly what free speech is and I wasn’t attributing it to the party, but certainly the people who set up this site are a) devotees of free speech and b) people who have b|t hed and moaned about cancel culture. It’s the irony.

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Tyler Robinson isn't exactly a unique name. I certainly hope people aren't posting all the info of the wrong person.