Meghan and Prince Harry are moving to the U.S./Canada - OFFICIAL

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Anonymous wrote:My theory on this:

This had been brewing quietly and with no leaks for months. Charles was talking to Harry (and Charles understands the issues). Then Andrew gave his disgusting interview. The Queen decided to publicly back him even as everyone else was scrambling to get away from him. All hell broke loose, and reporters/investigators in the US started digging and were (and are) getting closer to the (likely terrible) truth. This can't be reported in the UK because of their libel laws, but the US press can report on it, so it is not going away.

The palace courtiers know what's going to be found with Andrew and know it's bad. They needed a distraction, so one of them leaked. H&M got wind of the leak and decided to preemptively release their statement. Distraction accomplished for now (but only temporarily).

And Meghan left.

Bye girl. Don't go away mad, just go away.

What is "this" that you speak of? Any speculation?

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Anonymous wrote:The more dramatic details that are released to the press (emergency meetings! brothers fighting!), the more I think this is a diversion from Prince Andrew. Or orchestrated for some other reason.

They certainly could control how much their dirty laundry is aired so publicly in real time, but they are letting it fly.

^ and I think it's disgusting that people won't give them privacy to be normal human beings who sometimes have difficult family situations. No wonder Diana was hounded to death by the press - to satiate the nasty busybodies of the world.

They are courting the public by airing their dirty laundry. The "leaks" on both sides are intentional to shape public opinion and leverage during negotiations. I don't think this was planned as a diversion, but someone in the palace certainly sees the opportunity in crisis. Unfortunately for M/H, in this sibling rivalry, one of the brothers will be king and yields significantly more power. They need to make a clean break at this point.

It's a diversion and all of the nasty busybodies are eating it up.

Suckers.

Right. So the Sussexes have consented to be the laughing stock of the world to protect a non-immediate family member.

Nobody cares about Andrew anyway.

Ew, you are creepy.

Yes, many normal, not-creepy people will care if it turns out to be proven that a member of the Royal Family is a pedophile. They will also care if it comes out that a member of the Royal family used public funds to finance pedophilia. Yes, this is something the British care about.

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Anonymous wrote:The article headlines above looking down on Meghan are just plain mean. I never saw those before. I understand, she is a poor commoner, and not royalty. But still. It's wrong.

I can't imagine the racism she dealt with there, or the snobbery. She married for love, not status. You could tell the entire time leading up to the wedding that she was camera nervous.

She seems down to earth. Too down to earth to sit on the perch of the British Empire, I guess.

But who cares? Seriously? They are living their best liife. Good for them.

Is there some type of political or larger implication of this that I am missing that impacts anyone but the royal family?

Cultural implications. The BRF is more than a tourist attraction.

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Anonymous wrote:The article headlines above looking down on Meghan are just plain mean. I never saw those before. I understand, she is a poor commoner, and not royalty. But still. It's wrong.

I can't imagine the racism she dealt with there, or the snobbery. She married for love, not status. You could tell the entire time leading up to the wedding that she was camera nervous.

She seems down to earth. Too down to earth to sit on the perch of the British Empire, I guess.

But who cares? Seriously? They are living their best liife. Good for them.

Is there some type of political or larger implication of this that I am missing that impacts anyone but the royal family?

Snort. Some water just came through my nose.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My theory on this:

This had been brewing quietly and with no leaks for months. Charles was talking to Harry (and Charles understands the issues). Then Andrew gave his disgusting interview. The Queen decided to publicly back him even as everyone else was scrambling to get away from him. All hell broke loose, and reporters/investigators in the US started digging and were (and are) getting closer to the (likely terrible) truth. This can't be reported in the UK because of their libel laws, but the US press can report on it, so it is not going away.

The palace courtiers know what's going to be found with Andrew and know it's bad. They needed a distraction, so one of them leaked. H&M got wind of the leak and decided to preemptively release their statement. Distraction accomplished for now (but only temporarily).

And Meghan left.

Bye girl. Don't go away mad, just go away.

What is "this" that you speak of? Any speculation?

By this I mean the proposed change in roles and scope of work for H&M, and a move to Canada for part of the year. I think this is something that has been that has been in discussion for a long time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The more dramatic details that are released to the press (emergency meetings! brothers fighting!), the more I think this is a diversion from Prince Andrew. Or orchestrated for some other reason.

They certainly could control how much their dirty laundry is aired so publicly in real time, but they are letting it fly.

^ and I think it's disgusting that people won't give them privacy to be normal human beings who sometimes have difficult family situations. No wonder Diana was hounded to death by the press - to satiate the nasty busybodies of the world.

They are courting the public by airing their dirty laundry. The "leaks" on both sides are intentional to shape public opinion and leverage during negotiations. I don't think this was planned as a diversion, but someone in the palace certainly sees the opportunity in crisis. Unfortunately for M/H, in this sibling rivalry, one of the brothers will be king and yields significantly more power. They need to make a clean break at this point.

It's a diversion and all of the nasty busybodies are eating it up.

Suckers.

Right. So the Sussexes have consented to be the laughing stock of the world to protect a non-immediate family member.

Yes, seems to be working quite well on the suckers.

Mission accomplished.

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Anonymous wrote:The more dramatic details that are released to the press (emergency meetings! brothers fighting!), the more I think this is a diversion from Prince Andrew. Or orchestrated for some other reason.

They certainly could control how much their dirty laundry is aired so publicly in real time, but they are letting it fly.

^ and I think it's disgusting that people won't give them privacy to be normal human beings who sometimes have difficult family situations. No wonder Diana was hounded to death by the press - to satiate the nasty busybodies of the world.

They are courting the public by airing their dirty laundry. The "leaks" on both sides are intentional to shape public opinion and leverage during negotiations. I don't think this was planned as a diversion, but someone in the palace certainly sees the opportunity in crisis. Unfortunately for M/H, in this sibling rivalry, one of the brothers will be king and yields significantly more power. They need to make a clean break at this point.

It's a diversion and all of the nasty busybodies are eating it up.

Suckers.

Right. So the Sussexes have consented to be the laughing stock of the world to protect a non-immediate family member.

Nobody cares about Andrew anyway.

Ew, you are creepy.

Yes, many normal, not-creepy people will care if it turns out to be proven that a member of the Royal Family is a pedophile. They will also care if it comes out that a member of the Royal family used public funds to finance pedophilia. Yes, this is something the British care about.

+100

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Anonymous wrote:What I've been saying about the Queen and the Royal Family all along.

"Both Diana and Meghan were the real top person in that family chain, from my view the Royal Family really have a problem in dealing with junior members of the family being so popular."

Princess Diana's ex-protection officer tells @KayBurley that Meghan was left 'isolated' in the royal family, similar to Diana.

"The only time the Queen acknowledged publicly the work that Diana did was actually when the Queen delivered that (forced) message soon after her death in 1997."

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1216645602903195648

Disagree. Right now the Queen is the most loved of the BRF and when she passes, it will be Kate. Meghan is interesting but not the most important royal.

The most important royal is very different than the most popular royal.

It’s undeniable that the most important royal is the queen followed by the line of succession. Just like it’s equally undeniable that the most popular royal is Harry (and has been for years.)

Your last line is pure speculation and not carried out by recent polling. The one linked many times earlier this thread shows him well down the list of popularity.

I do think he was very popular for a while. But after he married Meghan and the initial period of good feelings, his popularity has dropped big time. And it's because the couple haven't been able to do what's expected of them as symbols of the British state. The post a few post up showing how they went to some glamor movie event instead of a Marine concert affiliated with one of Harry's big charities is a telling point. They're clearly not interested in the nitty gritty of dull service and duty and once people figured that out, they started losing a lot of popularity.

DP. The expectations were higher of them than Kate and William. The latter were granted time away from the public as newlyweds and as new parents. And I recall Kate spending significant time with her parents after George and Charlotte. The BRF dropped the ball on Harry's marriage, maybe because they thought they were older, more mature who knows. Also, the brotherly conflict has been brewing for a while and it has clearly gone unaddressed.

I'm not sure what the expectations were or how they were higher. Kate's received plenty of flak, both in the press and on here, for not doing a lot during her early married years and motherhood years, but I also haven't seen much to show the RF expected Meghan to do a lot more than Kate ever did. They did expect her to perform the royal duties and go on royal tours - which Kate has definitely done. And Meghan did and apparently hated it.

I think this all boils down to that the BRF likely thought Harry was moving too quickly into dating and marrying Meghan and was worried and cautious about it, both for Meghan's and Harry's sake, because if anyone knows the realities of being a royal and a royal spouse, it's the BRF, and Harry misread it as them trying to separate him from Meghan. So he saw it as "lack of support" and it snowballed from there.

I'm sure there are royals and courtiers who privately expected this to end up like this. Meghan didn't have enough time to understand what she was getting into or how to fit into the royal world and made a lot of mistakes, which she took too personally. But she also apparently doesn't really want the reality of being a royal wife, now that she's had a taste of what it entails - the dull rota of duties, always having to be second fiddle to Kate, deferring to the Queen all the time. Harry's completely in love with her so he's taking her side and he clearly has his own issues with living in the gilded cage. So it's all come out in an explosion.

Yes, she made some/plenty of mistakes and the press was fairly and unfairly brutal to her. But in time, that would have all faded. The press would still have unfairly targeted her until the next scandal, and that might be years in coming. But she would have received more and more respect for sticking it out. If she had stuck it out.

They rubbed off the wrong way the palace staff and the future king and queen (Will/Kate).

How do you rub palace staff the wrong way and the future king and queen when this was before Meghan had even come to London???

The courtiers were out for her blood the moment they knew her name.

Which part of that is factually untrue? Plus the Meghan fans on here say the daily mail isn’t accurate anyway so who cares?

There's nothing accurate or factual about being racist dicks.

So it’s not untrue you just don’t like it.

Phillip was broke and landless when he met Elizabeth. Nothing from the press.
Kate hadn't worked, had no money, and had been a hanger-on since the age of 19. Nothing like this.
Edo is a baby daddy who left his fiancee high-and-dry. Crickets.
Diana was 19 and a glorified babysitter upon her engagement. Nothing.

But the self-made millionaire who lived in a cosmopolitan city (Toronto), had her own tv show, and was friends with everyone from Trudeau to Serena Williams got so much flack. was Just admit you like that the British press are racist and go.

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DP. Uh, there are rumors that her husband's grandmother had her MIL killed, and even if those aren't true, it's obvious that the palace did not care at all about Diana's death. Meanwhile, that same family is going all-in on protecting an alleged pedophile. Husband's grandmother has deep ties to state security apparatus as well. Then there are Nazi ties of some of the older generation.

I would be concerned for my and my child's safety too during this process, just based on what's public. And MM probably knows a lot worse that's not public.

I don't know about all of it, but fleeing the country and leaving Archie in Canada seems like a prudent move to me.

So first she was excited to join the family and now she's decided they are a den of evil? You're saying she has finally seen the light as to what the family of her DH is?

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British press is racist, yes. No, Meghan was not friends with Trudeau or Serena Williams before Harry. Sheesh.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've been saying about the Queen and the Royal Family all along.

"Both Diana and Meghan were the real top person in that family chain, from my view the Royal Family really have a problem in dealing with junior members of the family being so popular."

Princess Diana's ex-protection officer tells @KayBurley that Meghan was left 'isolated' in the royal family, similar to Diana.

"The only time the Queen acknowledged publicly the work that Diana did was actually when the Queen delivered that (forced) message soon after her death in 1997."

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1216645602903195648

Disagree. Right now the Queen is the most loved of the BRF and when she passes, it will be Kate. Meghan is interesting but not the most important royal.

The most important royal is very different than the most popular royal.

It’s undeniable that the most important royal is the queen followed by the line of succession. Just like it’s equally undeniable that the most popular royal is Harry (and has been for years.)

Your last line is pure speculation and not carried out by recent polling. The one linked many times earlier this thread shows him well down the list of popularity.

I do think he was very popular for a while. But after he married Meghan and the initial period of good feelings, his popularity has dropped big time. And it's because the couple haven't been able to do what's expected of them as symbols of the British state. The post a few post up showing how they went to some glamor movie event instead of a Marine concert affiliated with one of Harry's big charities is a telling point. They're clearly not interested in the nitty gritty of dull service and duty and once people figured that out, they started losing a lot of popularity.

DP. The expectations were higher of them than Kate and William. The latter were granted time away from the public as newlyweds and as new parents. And I recall Kate spending significant time with her parents after George and Charlotte. The BRF dropped the ball on Harry's marriage, maybe because they thought they were older, more mature who knows. Also, the brotherly conflict has been brewing for a while and it has clearly gone unaddressed.

I'm not sure what the expectations were or how they were higher. Kate's received plenty of flak, both in the press and on here, for not doing a lot during her early married years and motherhood years, but I also haven't seen much to show the RF expected Meghan to do a lot more than Kate ever did. They did expect her to perform the royal duties and go on royal tours - which Kate has definitely done. And Meghan did and apparently hated it.

I think this all boils down to that the BRF likely thought Harry was moving too quickly into dating and marrying Meghan and was worried and cautious about it, both for Meghan's and Harry's sake, because if anyone knows the realities of being a royal and a royal spouse, it's the BRF, and Harry misread it as them trying to separate him from Meghan. So he saw it as "lack of support" and it snowballed from there.

I'm sure there are royals and courtiers who privately expected this to end up like this. Meghan didn't have enough time to understand what she was getting into or how to fit into the royal world and made a lot of mistakes, which she took too personally. But she also apparently doesn't really want the reality of being a royal wife, now that she's had a taste of what it entails - the dull rota of duties, always having to be second fiddle to Kate, deferring to the Queen all the time. Harry's completely in love with her so he's taking her side and he clearly has his own issues with living in the gilded cage. So it's all come out in an explosion.

Yes, she made some/plenty of mistakes and the press was fairly and unfairly brutal to her. But in time, that would have all faded. The press would still have unfairly targeted her until the next scandal, and that might be years in coming. But she would have received more and more respect for sticking it out. If she had stuck it out.

They rubbed off the wrong way the palace staff and the future king and queen (Will/Kate).

How do you rub palace staff the wrong way and the future king and queen when this was before Meghan had even come to London???

The courtiers were out for her blood the moment they knew her name.

The Daily Mail articles is the kind of crap the royals deal with all the time. Even Kate. When she started dating Will there was plenty of sneering about her family, especially her mother, for being middle class and Carole Middleton a former air hostess. A lot of snobbery.

The irony is that these articles showed Meghan what she would have to face. And it would be up to her to handle it, either by getting upset by them or ignoring them. Kate Middleton ignored all her bad press and it went away. It also helps that she behaves impeccably. Meghan can't deal with bad and unflattering press. So she ran away.

But one can't say she wasn't warned in advance of the media attention she'd face.

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DP. Uh, there are rumors that her husband's grandmother had her MIL killed, and even if those aren't true, it's obvious that the palace did not care at all about Diana's death. Meanwhile, that same family is going all-in on protecting an alleged pedophile. Husband's grandmother has deep ties to state security apparatus as well. Then there are Nazi ties of some of the older generation.

I would be concerned for my and my child's safety too during this process, just based on what's public. And MM probably knows a lot worse that's not public.

I don't know about all of it, but fleeing the country and leaving Archie in Canada seems like a prudent move to me.

So first she was excited to join the family and now she's decided they are a den of evil? You're saying she has finally seen the light as to what the family of her DH is?

She likely learned a lot she didn't know before during that time. Also, didn't things change for you after you had a child? There are things I would put up with for myself that I'd never let my child near.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What I've been saying about the Queen and the Royal Family all along.

"Both Diana and Meghan were the real top person in that family chain, from my view the Royal Family really have a problem in dealing with junior members of the family being so popular."

Princess Diana's ex-protection officer tells @KayBurley that Meghan was left 'isolated' in the royal family, similar to Diana.

"The only time the Queen acknowledged publicly the work that Diana did was actually when the Queen delivered that (forced) message soon after her death in 1997."

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1216645602903195648

Disagree. Right now the Queen is the most loved of the BRF and when she passes, it will be Kate. Meghan is interesting but not the most important royal.

The most important royal is very different than the most popular royal.

It’s undeniable that the most important royal is the queen followed by the line of succession. Just like it’s equally undeniable that the most popular royal is Harry (and has been for years.)

Your last line is pure speculation and not carried out by recent polling. The one linked many times earlier this thread shows him well down the list of popularity.

I do think he was very popular for a while. But after he married Meghan and the initial period of good feelings, his popularity has dropped big time. And it's because the couple haven't been able to do what's expected of them as symbols of the British state. The post a few post up showing how they went to some glamor movie event instead of a Marine concert affiliated with one of Harry's big charities is a telling point. They're clearly not interested in the nitty gritty of dull service and duty and once people figured that out, they started losing a lot of popularity.

DP. The expectations were higher of them than Kate and William. The latter were granted time away from the public as newlyweds and as new parents. And I recall Kate spending significant time with her parents after George and Charlotte. The BRF dropped the ball on Harry's marriage, maybe because they thought they were older, more mature who knows. Also, the brotherly conflict has been brewing for a while and it has clearly gone unaddressed.

I'm not sure what the expectations were or how they were higher. Kate's received plenty of flak, both in the press and on here, for not doing a lot during her early married years and motherhood years, but I also haven't seen much to show the RF expected Meghan to do a lot more than Kate ever did. They did expect her to perform the royal duties and go on royal tours - which Kate has definitely done. And Meghan did and apparently hated it.

I think this all boils down to that the BRF likely thought Harry was moving too quickly into dating and marrying Meghan and was worried and cautious about it, both for Meghan's and Harry's sake, because if anyone knows the realities of being a royal and a royal spouse, it's the BRF, and Harry misread it as them trying to separate him from Meghan. So he saw it as "lack of support" and it snowballed from there.

I'm sure there are royals and courtiers who privately expected this to end up like this. Meghan didn't have enough time to understand what she was getting into or how to fit into the royal world and made a lot of mistakes, which she took too personally. But she also apparently doesn't really want the reality of being a royal wife, now that she's had a taste of what it entails - the dull rota of duties, always having to be second fiddle to Kate, deferring to the Queen all the time. Harry's completely in love with her so he's taking her side and he clearly has his own issues with living in the gilded cage. So it's all come out in an explosion.

Yes, she made some/plenty of mistakes and the press was fairly and unfairly brutal to her. But in time, that would have all faded. The press would still have unfairly targeted her until the next scandal, and that might be years in coming. But she would have received more and more respect for sticking it out. If she had stuck it out.

They rubbed off the wrong way the palace staff and the future king and queen (Will/Kate).

How do you rub palace staff the wrong way and the future king and queen when this was before Meghan had even come to London???

The courtiers were out for her blood the moment they knew her name.

Which part of that is factually untrue? Plus the Meghan fans on here say the daily mail isn’t accurate anyway so who cares?

There's nothing accurate or factual about being racist dicks.

So it’s not untrue you just don’t like it.

Phillip was broke and landless when he met Elizabeth. Nothing from the press.
Kate hadn't worked, had no money, and had been a hanger-on since the age of 19. Nothing like this.
Edo is a baby daddy who left his fiancee high-and-dry. Crickets.
Diana was 19 and a glorified babysitter upon her engagement. Nothing.

But the self-made millionaire who lived in a cosmopolitan city (Toronto), had her own tv show, and was friends with everyone from Trudeau to Serena Williams got so much flack. was Just admit you like that the British press are racist and go.

+100

Philip also has a ton of family ties to Nazi Germany which presumably would not be a good thing for the BRF.

The Edo story is especially noteworthy since there are not only no negative stories about him and they describe as some sort of property tycoon when there’s really no evidence that he is.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a reputable source for all things RF? It seems as if 98% of this is National Enquirer level fiction with all the sources being “unnamed.”
If you read a quote or statement attributed to Wills, for example, or other royal, what are the chances he actually said those words and in a context consistent with the headline jist?

Who knows?

This is different though with all of this public and/or official stuff, including the statements from Buckingham Palace and today's big family meeting. This is the sort of stuff that usually happens in private.

So there’s no reputable source aside for official statements?
No People magazine vs US magazine comparison, for example? Or CNN vs Fox for news?

90% gossip and gossip mags that take their side.

You get the occasional anonymous source in the Times (London Times) or the Daily Telegraph, and those are usually pretty reliable. The Will statement about Harry was reported in the Times, so that suggests some validity. The Times is not a sensationalist paper.

So about 90% of the posts here are likely based on 90% gossip, give or take?

The royal brothers issued a joint statement this morning slamming the story run by The Times (and DM) over the weekend.

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DP. Uh, there are rumors that her husband's grandmother had her MIL killed, and even if those aren't true, it's obvious that the palace did not care at all about Diana's death. Meanwhile, that same family is going all-in on protecting an alleged pedophile. Husband's grandmother has deep ties to state security apparatus as well. Then there are Nazi ties of some of the older generation.

I would be concerned for my and my child's safety too during this process, just based on what's public. And MM probably knows a lot worse that's not public.

I don't know about all of it, but fleeing the country and leaving Archie in Canada seems like a prudent move to me.

So first she was excited to join the family and now she's decided they are a den of evil? You're saying she has finally seen the light as to what the family of her DH is?

She likely learned a lot she didn't know before during that time. Also, didn't things change for you after you had a child? There are things I would put up with for myself that I'd never let my child near.

Uh, she's hardly been in the same place as any of her in-laws in the past two years.

She couldn't stand royal life. Fine, I couldn't either. But she won't get much applause for setting up court in Toronto or LA. Either stay or go. One or the other.