Fairfax County Double Murder

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Curious why some posters refer to BB’s mother as Big Mama or Big Momma? Why the dig at the mother?

Part of the smear campaign.

I think that her IG posts that were public until fairly recently were, err, off putting to some. Especially where she pretended to be talking to CB in heaven and referring to their prior closeness, that had not existed in life.

The smear campaign goes the other way, it has been blatant, calling Christine a "whore" etc. Just disgusting behavior and the group of BB is, shall we say, not too "big."

Whoa. Link?

Read this thread dude, unless those posts were reported and deleted.

[Anonymous]

So for over a year? Paid?

Is that just indefinite?

What would end it, either for him to return to work or be separated?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So for over a year? Paid?

Is that just indefinite?

What would end it, either for him to return to work or be separated?

no one here would know except BB or Big Momma lurking.

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If BB had not fired his service weapon, am I correct in understanding he would not be on leave? He has not been charged, so that seems to have been the key factor. Since there was another gun in home, seems like a poorly considered element of plan, unless he did plan to be on extended paid leave? He was not put on leave prior to AP's arrest in October. Can anyone with fed experience explain this more? What if he is not arrested for years, will his paid leave just continue or is there any kind of end date?

He HAD to use his service weapon b/c that's the only gun he would have on his body as he was supposedly going to work. If he used any other gun, the question would be: how did you have time to go to the safe to get your other gun? By using his service weapon, he makes it look like he stumbled across something unexpected and he had to react in a second with the only weapon he had.

The first question is hard to answer.

BB almost certainly fired his IRS issued weapon. However, somewhere around the time of this IRS approved its agents to carry a Personally Owned Weapon(POW). An agent might decide to carry a POW because the approved POW are lighter and easier to conceal. One news article showed a picture of a weapon that appeared to me to be one of the approved POW. Its a fairly safe assumption that the pictured weapon was the one AP fired.

I still go back to the safe that the second gun was reported to be in. It’s very unlikely to me that this is where BB stored his iRS issued weapon. IRS issues agents safes that are easy to use on a daily basis. This safe was on the ground and required a combination to be entered by spinning a dial. Below are instructions on opening a safe like what is pictured:

Spin the dial left (CCW) at least four times and stop on the first number of the combination. The first number should be directly under the opening mark. First number: ________.
Spin the dial right (CW) and stop on the second number the 3rd time the number comes under the opening mark. Second number: ________.
Spin the dial left (CCW) and stop on the third number the 2nd time the number comes under the opening mark. Third number: ________.
Spin the dial right until the dial stops by itself. If the dial does not stop turning, the combination may be incorrect.
Open the safe.


So we’re to believe AP is spinning this dial as CB and JR lay dying and BB is providing instruction to open this safe.

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He is supposed to report all discharges of service weapon but was not put on leave until AP's arrest. IRS would have known he fired gun just from news accounts. Can someone clarify why he was not put on leave immediately? Or was it excused but facts in October were contrary to his statements to IRS? If he had to account for his actions in work context, curious what was said. VA would be able to subpoena his work records, yes?

Agree, he is supposed to report all discharges of service weapon and certain interactions with Law Enforcement. It’s not clear what his employment status is currently or at the time following the incident. The matter has likely been referred to TIGTA for investigation. Any information BB provided would be subject to a Kalkines warning. The warning is:

You are being questioned as part of an internal and/or administrative investigation. You will be asked a number of specific questions concerning your official duties, and you must answer these questions to the best of your ability. Failure to answer completely and truthfully may result in disciplinary action, including dismissal. Your answers and any information derived from them may be used against you in administrative proceedings. However, neither your answers nor any information derived from them may be used against you in criminal proceedings, except if you knowingly and willfully make false statements.

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In all these threads, there hasn't been a mention of the 911 automatic callback function in the result of a hangup.

Tell me more, Tell me more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I still go back to the safe that the second gun was reported to be in. It’s very unlikely to me that this is where BB stored his iRS issued weapon. IRS issues agents safes that are easy to use on a daily basis. This safe was on the ground and required a combination to be entered by spinning a dial. Below are instructions on opening a safe like what is pictured:

Spin the dial left (CCW) at least four times and stop on the first number of the combination. The first number should be directly under the opening mark. First number: ________.
Spin the dial right (CW) and stop on the second number the 3rd time the number comes under the opening mark. Second number: ________.
Spin the dial left (CCW) and stop on the third number the 2nd time the number comes under the opening mark. Third number: ________.
Spin the dial right until the dial stops by itself. If the dial does not stop turning, the combination may be incorrect.
Open the safe.


So we’re to believe AP is spinning this dial as CB and JR lay dying and BB is providing instruction to open this safe.

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I imagine some owners pre-spin the dials so that only one is needed to open in case the weapon needs to be retrieved quickly.

[Anonymous]

911 calls back if you hang up, have had this happen in DC when hung up after no answer for a long time. It's automated. Assume they did not answer those calls. Not sure what happens next? When you do answer you can auto indicate need help or no longer need help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
So for over a year? Paid?

Is that just indefinite?

What would end it, either for him to return to work or be separated?


no one here would know except BB or Big Momma lurking.

I assume there are rules that you can't just be on paid leave for years/indefinitely? Or unpaid leave, for that matter? Any feds know?

I think BB may have indicated to LE or on 911 that he fired service weapon, and AP indicated she fired gun he told her to get from safe. Don't think those facts are in dispute.

[Anonymous]

Prior to this case had never heard this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=Kgox6qbn3zo&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2F&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:911 calls back if you hang up, have had this happen in DC when hung up after no answer for a long time. It's automated. Assume they did not answer those calls. Not sure what happens next? When you do answer you can auto indicate need help or no longer need help.

Not if your caller ID is off..........

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:911 calls back if you hang up, have had this happen in DC when hung up after no answer for a long time. It's automated. Assume they did not answer those calls. Not sure what happens next? When you do answer you can auto indicate need help or no longer need help.

I'm confused about why they didn't dispatch when there were 2 hangups. Cell phones are traceable via 911 within 55 yards these days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Prior to this case had never heard this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=Kgox6qbn3zo&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2F&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo

Trigger warning it shows IRS agents taking target practice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The no obituary by BB is so striking. Surely he could have written some generic thing that would not have made him more legally at risk? Like so much else, really looks terrible.

Maybe CB's family didn't want him to write anything. It seemed like a lot of the people who posted on her funeral webpage addressed her parents and/or siblings(??) -- names that were not "Brandan." Seems like many people knew that BB was under suspicion and did not direct their condolences to him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I still go back to the safe that the second gun was reported to be in. It’s very unlikely to me that this is where BB stored his iRS issued weapon. IRS issues agents safes that are easy to use on a daily basis. This safe was on the ground and required a combination to be entered by spinning a dial. Below are instructions on opening a safe like what is pictured:

Spin the dial left (CCW) at least four times and stop on the first number of the combination. The first number should be directly under the opening mark. First number: ________.
Spin the dial right (CW) and stop on the second number the 3rd time the number comes under the opening mark. Second number: ________.
Spin the dial left (CCW) and stop on the third number the 2nd time the number comes under the opening mark. Third number: ________.
Spin the dial right until the dial stops by itself. If the dial does not stop turning, the combination may be incorrect.
Open the safe.


So we’re to believe AP is spinning this dial as CB and JR lay dying and BB is providing instruction to open this safe.

Anonymous wrote:

I imagine some owners pre-spin the dials so that only one is needed to open in case the weapon needs to be retrieved quickly.

Obviously, BB left the safe open that day with the gun ready to go (if he put the gun in the safe at all!). Maybe he just gave the gun to AP when they went into the house and she brought it up to the bedroom when she was ready to go.

[Anonymous]

Obviously, BB left the safe open that day with the gun ready to go (if he put the gun in the safe at all!). Maybe he just gave the gun to AP when they went into the house and she brought it up to the bedroom when she was ready to go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:911 calls back if you hang up, have had this happen in DC when hung up after no answer for a long time. It's automated. Assume they did not answer those calls. Not sure what happens next? When you do answer you can auto indicate need help or no longer need help.

Not if your caller ID is off..........

Is that right, makes sense I suppose. I have had a call back on a cell and on a landline. Have been on hold for DC 911 when hear sirens, so have hung up.

Are LE dispatched if you don't answer the call back? If caller ID is off, no way to do so.

[Anonymous]

This, from Fairfax County, suggests LE may be discharged in case of a hang up if they cannot reach you. But, if Caller ID off, no, would just be logged as seemed to happen here.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/911/calling