Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

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Anonymous wrote:Dufief parents who now support H: Why were you all collectively pissed when the first options had send all of you to Crown. If Wootton is such bad conditions, you should’ve been happy with the original options?

I say those who want to go to Crown, should just go. Sounds like Dufief Travilah and Stone Mill want to go. Add in Rosemont and Fields Road and you got a high school of roughly ~2200, which matches perfectly with Crown’s size. This alleviates overcrowding at QO and Gaithersburg HS.

Leave Wootton to Fallsmead, Lakewood, Cold Spring families. Add in Wayside—half of Potomac Glen is currently split between Lakewood (which feeds into Wootton) and Wayside anyways. Then add in RM neighborhoods including the very walkable neighborhood of Horizon Hill and Fallsgrove, which is walkable as well (a lot of Wootton kids walk to Fallsgrove all the time). This justifies keeping Wootton as a cluster and alleviates overcrowding at RM and Churchill.

Welcome, you must be new. Dufief has been involved in this since June. Dufief was "pissed" because they split Dufief- and only Dufief- out of Wootton. Dufief overlapa constantly with Stone Mill and Travillah kids, that is their community. But the first options only sent Dufief to Crown. If they had sent Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah all to Crown that at least would have made geographical sense. If you had any idea of the history here you would already know why Dufief was so mad.

Actually not new . Been following this issue from the beginning. Just find it ironic all these Dufief parents are talking about how happy they are getting a new school because Wootton is unsafe. Tell me does Dufief being the only school being sent make the Wootton building any more or less safe? If Dufief parents truly believed Wootton is unsafe, they should have been happy with the original options even if they were the only ones "lucky" enough to be districted to Crown. Or, is the argument about safety changing now?

I'm all for the most geographical sensible boundaries. Precisely why I did not buy in Dufief. By all means, send Dufief, Stone Mill, and Travilah kids to Crown. Don't send the rest of the kids who can walk to Wootton. Leave us in our "unsafe" building.

This may be hard for you to understand but I will go slow. Dufief wants to stay with their community, ideally all of the current cluster. They also want a safe building. Assuming the cluster actually stays the same, option H checks both of these boxes. In a perfect world, Wootton gets renovated on Wootton parkway and the cluster remains the same. However this is proving to not be realistic. There is no money.

Separately, Dufief was singled out in the first round and completely removed from their current Wootton community. I am saying it may have gone over much better with the Dufief community if they had also included other Wootton feeders that were actually in the same area as Dufief.

Hope that helps.

Sorry, no, saying it "slower" doesn't make your point any more logical. You say "They also want a safe building." This implies Wootton is unsafe. If the building is truly unsafe, your top priority as a parent is to get your kids somewhere safe even if their friends from other schools don't get to go with them.

Dufief also wasn't singled out. It is objectively the farthest from the cluster.

Also, no the cluster will not stay the same under H. I thought you were supposedly well-read on these issues.
First, modified versions of H have been floating for a while, including ones with the support of elected officials like Mayor of Gaithersburg.
Second, even if it is currently, what's going to happen with growth increases? Cold Spring and Fallsmead will be edge properties.
All H does is swap out Dufief as the edge property for current day Wootton with Cold Spring and Fallsmead as the edge properties of future day Crown.
H is another boundary study down the road.

If you think H keeps the cluster together long term, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dufief parents who now support H: Why were you all collectively pissed when the first options had send all of you to Crown. If Wootton is such bad conditions, you should’ve been happy with the original options?

I say those who want to go to Crown, should just go. Sounds like Dufief Travilah and Stone Mill want to go. Add in Rosemont and Fields Road and you got a high school of roughly ~2200, which matches perfectly with Crown’s size. This alleviates overcrowding at QO and Gaithersburg HS.

Leave Wootton to Fallsmead, Lakewood, Cold Spring families. Add in Wayside—half of Potomac Glen is currently split between Lakewood (which feeds into Wootton) and Wayside anyways. Then add in RM neighborhoods including the very walkable neighborhood of Horizon Hill and Fallsgrove, which is walkable as well (a lot of Wootton kids walk to Fallsgrove all the time). This justifies keeping Wootton as a cluster and alleviates overcrowding at RM and Churchill.

Welcome, you must be new. Dufief has been involved in this since June. Dufief was "pissed" because they split Dufief- and only Dufief- out of Wootton. Dufief overlapa constantly with Stone Mill and Travillah kids, that is their community. But the first options only sent Dufief to Crown. If they had sent Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah all to Crown that at least would have made geographical sense. If you had any idea of the history here you would already know why Dufief was so mad.

Actually not new . Been following this issue from the beginning. Just find it ironic all these Dufief parents are talking about how happy they are getting a new school because Wootton is unsafe. Tell me does Dufief being the only school being sent make the Wootton building any more or less safe? If Dufief parents truly believed Wootton is unsafe, they should have been happy with the original options even if they were the only ones "lucky" enough to be districted to Crown. Or, is the argument about safety changing now?

I'm all for the most geographical sensible boundaries. Precisely why I did not buy in Dufief. By all means, send Dufief, Stone Mill, and Travilah kids to Crown. Don't send the rest of the kids who can walk to Wootton. Leave us in our "unsafe" building.

100%. The very few non-troll Wootton parents who support H are Dufief parents. They all say because option H is the only option where my child will get to go to a safe school. LOL no it's not. Options A-D also get your kid to a "safe school." At least stay consistent. If you support H because you really think Wootton is unsafe, you should logically also support A-D. Safety trumps all. It shouldn't matter if you are the only ES being moved to Crown because your kid's safety should be the most important factor.

Let's be real here. It's not about safety. If it were, Dufief parents would NEVER have pushed back on A-D like they almost UNIVERSALLY DID. It's pretty obvious. Dufief knew under A-D, their property values would have lowered and their kids would have gone from one of the highest ranked HS to an average ranking HS (and that's being generous). They see H as their ONLY saving grace. The logic is if we're doomed either way to go to Crown, might as well make the rest of the cluster move with us so that the rankings will be that drastic of a change.

Just be real and say the truth. Stop saying I support H because it's the only option where my kid gets to a safe school. SAY YOU SUPPORT A-D IF YOU REALLY THINK IT'S ABOUT SAFETY.

DUFIEF PUSHED BACK ON A-D BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STAY WTH THEIR CLUSTER. What don't you understand? It is BOTH. Stay with cluster AND safe school. Dufief was also told after the new utilization numbers came out that they could probably stay with the cluster in a modified A-D since there was now room at Frost. Nothing in writing though and can't trust MCPS so they won't end their advocacy against A-D.

Since then, all of these safety issues came out. Asbestos, mold, really??? Of course they want a safe school. It's insane that the other Wootton parents don't and are willing to settle for status quo as long as they can walk to school. Sorry, but magic money is not going to fall out of the sky to renovate Wootton and open Crown as a new high school.

And guess what? H isn't my first choice. I think Crown should be a holding school and E or F should be selected. Maybe Wootton should have collectively pushed those instead of an imaginary option.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dufief parents who now support H: Why were you all collectively pissed when the first options had send all of you to Crown. If Wootton is such bad conditions, you should’ve been happy with the original options?

I say those who want to go to Crown, should just go. Sounds like Dufief Travilah and Stone Mill want to go. Add in Rosemont and Fields Road and you got a high school of roughly ~2200, which matches perfectly with Crown’s size. This alleviates overcrowding at QO and Gaithersburg HS.

Leave Wootton to Fallsmead, Lakewood, Cold Spring families. Add in Wayside—half of Potomac Glen is currently split between Lakewood (which feeds into Wootton) and Wayside anyways. Then add in RM neighborhoods including the very walkable neighborhood of Horizon Hill and Fallsgrove, which is walkable as well (a lot of Wootton kids walk to Fallsgrove all the time). This justifies keeping Wootton as a cluster and alleviates overcrowding at RM and Churchill.

Welcome, you must be new. Dufief has been involved in this since June. Dufief was "pissed" because they split Dufief- and only Dufief- out of Wootton. Dufief overlapa constantly with Stone Mill and Travillah kids, that is their community. But the first options only sent Dufief to Crown. If they had sent Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah all to Crown that at least would have made geographical sense. If you had any idea of the history here you would already know why Dufief was so mad.

Actually not new . Been following this issue from the beginning. Just find it ironic all these Dufief parents are talking about how happy they are getting a new school because Wootton is unsafe. Tell me does Dufief being the only school being sent make the Wootton building any more or less safe? If Dufief parents truly believed Wootton is unsafe, they should have been happy with the original options even if they were the only ones "lucky" enough to be districted to Crown. Or, is the argument about safety changing now?

I'm all for the most geographical sensible boundaries. Precisely why I did not buy in Dufief. By all means, send Dufief, Stone Mill, and Travilah kids to Crown. Don't send the rest of the kids who can walk to Wootton. Leave us in our "unsafe" building.

100%. The very few non-troll Wootton parents who support H are Dufief parents. They all say because option H is the only option where my child will get to go to a safe school. LOL no it's not. Options A-D also get your kid to a "safe school." At least stay consistent. If you support H because you really think Wootton is unsafe, you should logically also support A-D. Safety trumps all. It shouldn't matter if you are the only ES being moved to Crown because your kid's safety should be the most important factor.

Let's be real here. It's not about safety. If it were, Dufief parents would NEVER have pushed back on A-D like they almost UNIVERSALLY DID. It's pretty obvious. Dufief knew under A-D, their property values would have lowered and their kids would have gone from one of the highest ranked HS to an average ranking HS (and that's being generous). They see H as their ONLY saving grace. The logic is if we're doomed either way to go to Crown, might as well make the rest of the cluster move with us so that the rankings will be that drastic of a change.

Just be real and say the truth. Stop saying I support H because it's the only option where my kid gets to a safe school. SAY YOU SUPPORT A-D IF YOU REALLY THINK IT'S ABOUT SAFETY.

DUFIEF PUSHED BACK ON A-D BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STAY WTH THEIR CLUSTER. What don't you understand? It is BOTH. Stay with cluster AND safe school. Dufief was also told after the new utilization numbers came out that they could probably stay with the cluster in a modified A-D since there was now room at Frost. Nothing in writing though and can't trust MCPS so they won't end their advocacy against A-D.

Since then, all of these safety issues came out. Asbestos, mold, really??? Of course they want a safe school. It's insane that the other Wootton parents don't and are willing to settle for status quo as long as they can walk to school. Sorry, but magic money is not going to fall out of the sky to renovate Wootton and open Crown as a new high school.

And guess what? H isn't my first choice. I think Crown should be a holding school and E or F should be selected. Maybe Wootton should have collectively pushed those instead of an imaginary option.

Wow you still don’t get the point. Just answer one question: you are the one saying Wootton is unsafe. What’s more of a priority? Safety or cluster being intact?

[Anonymous]

Oh goodness. We are 181 pages in, we will have another round of Board of Ed testimony with people hogging all spots to oppose option H. I’m so confused. I thought you all were screaming that the Wootton building was unfit and decrepit. Then the county offered you a brand new school but you don’t want that either. Everyone is always making fun of Whitman, but this is next level entitlement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dufief parents who now support H: Why were you all collectively pissed when the first options had send all of you to Crown. If Wootton is such bad conditions, you should’ve been happy with the original options?

I say those who want to go to Crown, should just go. Sounds like Dufief Travilah and Stone Mill want to go. Add in Rosemont and Fields Road and you got a high school of roughly ~2200, which matches perfectly with Crown’s size. This alleviates overcrowding at QO and Gaithersburg HS.

Leave Wootton to Fallsmead, Lakewood, Cold Spring families. Add in Wayside—half of Potomac Glen is currently split between Lakewood (which feeds into Wootton) and Wayside anyways. Then add in RM neighborhoods including the very walkable neighborhood of Horizon Hill and Fallsgrove, which is walkable as well (a lot of Wootton kids walk to Fallsgrove all the time). This justifies keeping Wootton as a cluster and alleviates overcrowding at RM and Churchill.

Welcome, you must be new. Dufief has been involved in this since June. Dufief was "pissed" because they split Dufief- and only Dufief- out of Wootton. Dufief overlapa constantly with Stone Mill and Travillah kids, that is their community. But the first options only sent Dufief to Crown. If they had sent Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah all to Crown that at least would have made geographical sense. If you had any idea of the history here you would already know why Dufief was so mad.

Actually not new . Been following this issue from the beginning. Just find it ironic all these Dufief parents are talking about how happy they are getting a new school because Wootton is unsafe. Tell me does Dufief being the only school being sent make the Wootton building any more or less safe? If Dufief parents truly believed Wootton is unsafe, they should have been happy with the original options even if they were the only ones "lucky" enough to be districted to Crown. Or, is the argument about safety changing now?

I'm all for the most geographical sensible boundaries. Precisely why I did not buy in Dufief. By all means, send Dufief, Stone Mill, and Travilah kids to Crown. Don't send the rest of the kids who can walk to Wootton. Leave us in our "unsafe" building.

100%. The very few non-troll Wootton parents who support H are Dufief parents. They all say because option H is the only option where my child will get to go to a safe school. LOL no it's not. Options A-D also get your kid to a "safe school." At least stay consistent. If you support H because you really think Wootton is unsafe, you should logically also support A-D. Safety trumps all. It shouldn't matter if you are the only ES being moved to Crown because your kid's safety should be the most important factor.

Let's be real here. It's not about safety. If it were, Dufief parents would NEVER have pushed back on A-D like they almost UNIVERSALLY DID. It's pretty obvious. Dufief knew under A-D, their property values would have lowered and their kids would have gone from one of the highest ranked HS to an average ranking HS (and that's being generous). They see H as their ONLY saving grace. The logic is if we're doomed either way to go to Crown, might as well make the rest of the cluster move with us so that the rankings will be that drastic of a change.

Just be real and say the truth. Stop saying I support H because it's the only option where my kid gets to a safe school. SAY YOU SUPPORT A-D IF YOU REALLY THINK IT'S ABOUT SAFETY.

DUFIEF PUSHED BACK ON A-D BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STAY WTH THEIR CLUSTER. What don't you understand? It is BOTH. Stay with cluster AND safe school. Dufief was also told after the new utilization numbers came out that they could probably stay with the cluster in a modified A-D since there was now room at Frost. Nothing in writing though and can't trust MCPS so they won't end their advocacy against A-D.

Since then, all of these safety issues came out. Asbestos, mold, really??? Of course they want a safe school. It's insane that the other Wootton parents don't and are willing to settle for status quo as long as they can walk to school. Sorry, but magic money is not going to fall out of the sky to renovate Wootton and open Crown as a new high school.

And guess what? H isn't my first choice. I think Crown should be a holding school and E or F should be selected. Maybe Wootton should have collectively pushed those instead of an imaginary option.

Lol at this poster who either doesn’t get it or just doesn’t want to admit it.

KeEp tHe ClUsTeR together. Did you not read anything the other poster said?

Just admit Dufief rather Cold Spring and Fallsmead be the edge properties.

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Anonymous wrote:Dufief parents who now support H: Why were you all collectively pissed when the first options had send all of you to Crown. If Wootton is such bad conditions, you should’ve been happy with the original options?

I say those who want to go to Crown, should just go. Sounds like Dufief Travilah and Stone Mill want to go. Add in Rosemont and Fields Road and you got a high school of roughly ~2200, which matches perfectly with Crown’s size. This alleviates overcrowding at QO and Gaithersburg HS.

Leave Wootton to Fallsmead, Lakewood, Cold Spring families. Add in Wayside—half of Potomac Glen is currently split between Lakewood (which feeds into Wootton) and Wayside anyways. Then add in RM neighborhoods including the very walkable neighborhood of Horizon Hill and Fallsgrove, which is walkable as well (a lot of Wootton kids walk to Fallsgrove all the time). This justifies keeping Wootton as a cluster and alleviates overcrowding at RM and Churchill.

Welcome, you must be new. Dufief has been involved in this since June. Dufief was "pissed" because they split Dufief- and only Dufief- out of Wootton. Dufief overlapa constantly with Stone Mill and Travillah kids, that is their community. But the first options only sent Dufief to Crown. If they had sent Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah all to Crown that at least would have made geographical sense. If you had any idea of the history here you would already know why Dufief was so mad.

Actually not new . Been following this issue from the beginning. Just find it ironic all these Dufief parents are talking about how happy they are getting a new school because Wootton is unsafe. Tell me does Dufief being the only school being sent make the Wootton building any more or less safe? If Dufief parents truly believed Wootton is unsafe, they should have been happy with the original options even if they were the only ones "lucky" enough to be districted to Crown. Or, is the argument about safety changing now?

I'm all for the most geographical sensible boundaries. Precisely why I did not buy in Dufief. By all means, send Dufief, Stone Mill, and Travilah kids to Crown. Don't send the rest of the kids who can walk to Wootton. Leave us in our "unsafe" building.

100%. The very few non-troll Wootton parents who support H are Dufief parents. They all say because option H is the only option where my child will get to go to a safe school. LOL no it's not. Options A-D also get your kid to a "safe school." At least stay consistent. If you support H because you really think Wootton is unsafe, you should logically also support A-D. Safety trumps all. It shouldn't matter if you are the only ES being moved to Crown because your kid's safety should be the most important factor.

Let's be real here. It's not about safety. If it were, Dufief parents would NEVER have pushed back on A-D like they almost UNIVERSALLY DID. It's pretty obvious. Dufief knew under A-D, their property values would have lowered and their kids would have gone from one of the highest ranked HS to an average ranking HS (and that's being generous). They see H as their ONLY saving grace. The logic is if we're doomed either way to go to Crown, might as well make the rest of the cluster move with us so that the rankings will be that drastic of a change.

Just be real and say the truth. Stop saying I support H because it's the only option where my kid gets to a safe school. SAY YOU SUPPORT A-D IF YOU REALLY THINK IT'S ABOUT SAFETY.

DUFIEF PUSHED BACK ON A-D BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STAY WTH THEIR CLUSTER. What don't you understand? It is BOTH. Stay with cluster AND safe school. Dufief was also told after the new utilization numbers came out that they could probably stay with the cluster in a modified A-D since there was now room at Frost. Nothing in writing though and can't trust MCPS so they won't end their advocacy against A-D.

Since then, all of these safety issues came out. Asbestos, mold, really??? Of course they want a safe school. It's insane that the other Wootton parents don't and are willing to settle for status quo as long as they can walk to school. Sorry, but magic money is not going to fall out of the sky to renovate Wootton and open Crown as a new high school.

And guess what? H isn't my first choice. I think Crown should be a holding school and E or F should be selected. Maybe Wootton should have collectively pushed those instead of an imaginary option.

Wow you still don’t get the point. Just answer one question: you are the one saying Wootton is unsafe. What’s more of a priority? Safety or cluster being intact?

Oh I get the point you are attempting to make but you are wrong. It's not an either/or. Option W thinks they can have both repairs and location plus Crown as a stand alone school. Why can't Dufief want the cluster and a safe environment? Holding school options maybe get us there, Option H maybe gets us there. A-D definitely do not.

Wootton is objectively unsafe. Do you disagree with that? Do you want your kids to go to school in a building with asbestos? How about working plumbing? Why are parents okay with this as long the school stays out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh goodness. We are 181 pages in, we will have another round of Board of Ed testimony with people hogging all spots to oppose option H. I’m so confused. I thought you all were screaming that the Wootton building was unfit and decrepit. Then the county offered you a brand new school but you don’t want that either. Everyone is always making fun of Whitman, but this is next level entitlement.

DP. I'll go slow for you. Wootton families now only want remediation NOT renovation. There is money for remediation, especially if the plan is to use the "old" Wootton facility as a secondary holding school. It was mentioned previously that doing so hasn't been officially announced, but that may be by design - MCPS wants to move Wootton to Crown, and doesn't even want to bring up anything that would convince Wootton families to stay in the "old" facility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh goodness. We are 181 pages in, we will have another round of Board of Ed testimony with people hogging all spots to oppose option H. I’m so confused. I thought you all were screaming that the Wootton building was unfit and decrepit. Then the county offered you a brand new school but you don’t want that either. Everyone is always making fun of Whitman, but this is next level entitlement.

Let's be clear. It's the Wootton walkers making all the noise. God forbid their kids get on a bus.

[Anonymous]

What is the reason the Wootton walkers haven't advocated for E or F (or G)? Do they not want to antagonize or be seen as going against Crown/Gaithersburg?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dufief parents who now support H: Why were you all collectively pissed when the first options had send all of you to Crown. If Wootton is such bad conditions, you should’ve been happy with the original options?

I say those who want to go to Crown, should just go. Sounds like Dufief Travilah and Stone Mill want to go. Add in Rosemont and Fields Road and you got a high school of roughly ~2200, which matches perfectly with Crown’s size. This alleviates overcrowding at QO and Gaithersburg HS.

Leave Wootton to Fallsmead, Lakewood, Cold Spring families. Add in Wayside—half of Potomac Glen is currently split between Lakewood (which feeds into Wootton) and Wayside anyways. Then add in RM neighborhoods including the very walkable neighborhood of Horizon Hill and Fallsgrove, which is walkable as well (a lot of Wootton kids walk to Fallsgrove all the time). This justifies keeping Wootton as a cluster and alleviates overcrowding at RM and Churchill.

Welcome, you must be new. Dufief has been involved in this since June. Dufief was "pissed" because they split Dufief- and only Dufief- out of Wootton. Dufief overlapa constantly with Stone Mill and Travillah kids, that is their community. But the first options only sent Dufief to Crown. If they had sent Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah all to Crown that at least would have made geographical sense. If you had any idea of the history here you would already know why Dufief was so mad.

Actually not new . Been following this issue from the beginning. Just find it ironic all these Dufief parents are talking about how happy they are getting a new school because Wootton is unsafe. Tell me does Dufief being the only school being sent make the Wootton building any more or less safe? If Dufief parents truly believed Wootton is unsafe, they should have been happy with the original options even if they were the only ones "lucky" enough to be districted to Crown. Or, is the argument about safety changing now?

I'm all for the most geographical sensible boundaries. Precisely why I did not buy in Dufief. By all means, send Dufief, Stone Mill, and Travilah kids to Crown. Don't send the rest of the kids who can walk to Wootton. Leave us in our "unsafe" building.

100%. The very few non-troll Wootton parents who support H are Dufief parents. They all say because option H is the only option where my child will get to go to a safe school. LOL no it's not. Options A-D also get your kid to a "safe school." At least stay consistent. If you support H because you really think Wootton is unsafe, you should logically also support A-D. Safety trumps all. It shouldn't matter if you are the only ES being moved to Crown because your kid's safety should be the most important factor.

Let's be real here. It's not about safety. If it were, Dufief parents would NEVER have pushed back on A-D like they almost UNIVERSALLY DID. It's pretty obvious. Dufief knew under A-D, their property values would have lowered and their kids would have gone from one of the highest ranked HS to an average ranking HS (and that's being generous). They see H as their ONLY saving grace. The logic is if we're doomed either way to go to Crown, might as well make the rest of the cluster move with us so that the rankings will be that drastic of a change.

Just be real and say the truth. Stop saying I support H because it's the only option where my kid gets to a safe school. SAY YOU SUPPORT A-D IF YOU REALLY THINK IT'S ABOUT SAFETY.

DUFIEF PUSHED BACK ON A-D BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STAY WTH THEIR CLUSTER. What don't you understand? It is BOTH. Stay with cluster AND safe school. Dufief was also told after the new utilization numbers came out that they could probably stay with the cluster in a modified A-D since there was now room at Frost. Nothing in writing though and can't trust MCPS so they won't end their advocacy against A-D.

Since then, all of these safety issues came out. Asbestos, mold, really??? Of course they want a safe school. It's insane that the other Wootton parents don't and are willing to settle for status quo as long as they can walk to school. Sorry, but magic money is not going to fall out of the sky to renovate Wootton and open Crown as a new high school.

And guess what? H isn't my first choice. I think Crown should be a holding school and E or F should be selected. Maybe Wootton should have collectively pushed those instead of an imaginary option.

Lol at this poster who either doesn’t get it or just doesn’t want to admit it.

KeEp tHe ClUsTeR together. Did you not read anything the other poster said?

Just admit Dufief rather Cold Spring and Fallsmead be the edge properties.

Ohhhh now I get it. You are also a Wootton Walker! That's why you are so mad at Dufief

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the reason the Wootton walkers haven't advocated for E or F (or G)? Do they not want to antagonize or be seen as going against Crown/Gaithersburg?

This exactly. They don't want to piss off Crown/Gaithersburg. They are both advocating for a stand alone high school and Wootton walkers think Crown helps them for now.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the reason the Wootton walkers haven't advocated for E or F (or G)? Do they not want to antagonize or be seen as going against Crown/Gaithersburg?

This exactly. They don't want to piss off Crown/Gaithersburg. They are both advocating for a stand alone high school and Wootton walkers think Crown helps them for now.

My sense is that the fiscal argument against option A-D is too strong for this to work. I think MCPS strongly wants a holding school, whether it's Crown or Wootton.

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Anonymous wrote:Dufief parents who now support H: Why were you all collectively pissed when the first options had send all of you to Crown. If Wootton is such bad conditions, you should’ve been happy with the original options?

I say those who want to go to Crown, should just go. Sounds like Dufief Travilah and Stone Mill want to go. Add in Rosemont and Fields Road and you got a high school of roughly ~2200, which matches perfectly with Crown’s size. This alleviates overcrowding at QO and Gaithersburg HS.

Leave Wootton to Fallsmead, Lakewood, Cold Spring families. Add in Wayside—half of Potomac Glen is currently split between Lakewood (which feeds into Wootton) and Wayside anyways. Then add in RM neighborhoods including the very walkable neighborhood of Horizon Hill and Fallsgrove, which is walkable as well (a lot of Wootton kids walk to Fallsgrove all the time). This justifies keeping Wootton as a cluster and alleviates overcrowding at RM and Churchill.

Welcome, you must be new. Dufief has been involved in this since June. Dufief was "pissed" because they split Dufief- and only Dufief- out of Wootton. Dufief overlapa constantly with Stone Mill and Travillah kids, that is their community. But the first options only sent Dufief to Crown. If they had sent Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah all to Crown that at least would have made geographical sense. If you had any idea of the history here you would already know why Dufief was so mad.

Actually not new . Been following this issue from the beginning. Just find it ironic all these Dufief parents are talking about how happy they are getting a new school because Wootton is unsafe. Tell me does Dufief being the only school being sent make the Wootton building any more or less safe? If Dufief parents truly believed Wootton is unsafe, they should have been happy with the original options even if they were the only ones "lucky" enough to be districted to Crown. Or, is the argument about safety changing now?

I'm all for the most geographical sensible boundaries. Precisely why I did not buy in Dufief. By all means, send Dufief, Stone Mill, and Travilah kids to Crown. Don't send the rest of the kids who can walk to Wootton. Leave us in our "unsafe" building.

100%. The very few non-troll Wootton parents who support H are Dufief parents. They all say because option H is the only option where my child will get to go to a safe school. LOL no it's not. Options A-D also get your kid to a "safe school." At least stay consistent. If you support H because you really think Wootton is unsafe, you should logically also support A-D. Safety trumps all. It shouldn't matter if you are the only ES being moved to Crown because your kid's safety should be the most important factor.

Let's be real here. It's not about safety. If it were, Dufief parents would NEVER have pushed back on A-D like they almost UNIVERSALLY DID. It's pretty obvious. Dufief knew under A-D, their property values would have lowered and their kids would have gone from one of the highest ranked HS to an average ranking HS (and that's being generous). They see H as their ONLY saving grace. The logic is if we're doomed either way to go to Crown, might as well make the rest of the cluster move with us so that the rankings will be that drastic of a change.

Just be real and say the truth. Stop saying I support H because it's the only option where my kid gets to a safe school. SAY YOU SUPPORT A-D IF YOU REALLY THINK IT'S ABOUT SAFETY.

DUFIEF PUSHED BACK ON A-D BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STAY WTH THEIR CLUSTER. What don't you understand? It is BOTH. Stay with cluster AND safe school. Dufief was also told after the new utilization numbers came out that they could probably stay with the cluster in a modified A-D since there was now room at Frost. Nothing in writing though and can't trust MCPS so they won't end their advocacy against A-D.

Since then, all of these safety issues came out. Asbestos, mold, really??? Of course they want a safe school. It's insane that the other Wootton parents don't and are willing to settle for status quo as long as they can walk to school. Sorry, but magic money is not going to fall out of the sky to renovate Wootton and open Crown as a new high school.

And guess what? H isn't my first choice. I think Crown should be a holding school and E or F should be selected. Maybe Wootton should have collectively pushed those instead of an imaginary option.

Wow you still don’t get the point. Just answer one question: you are the one saying Wootton is unsafe. What’s more of a priority? Safety or cluster being intact?

Oh I get the point you are attempting to make but you are wrong. It's not an either/or. Option W thinks they can have both repairs and location plus Crown as a stand alone school. Why can't Dufief want the cluster and a safe environment? Holding school options maybe get us there, Option H maybe gets us there. A-D definitely do not.

Wootton is objectively unsafe. Do you disagree with that? Do you want your kids to go to school in a building with asbestos? How about working plumbing? Why are parents okay with this as long the school stays out?

No, you still don’t get it.

If Wootton is objectively unsafe, you should support H AND support A-D. That’s the only logical pathway, unless you think it is okay to send your child to what you say is an objectively unsafe school. You can for self reasons say I support H above A-D, but you can’t logically say I support H but not A-D if you believe Wootton is objectively unsafe. The whole point of my original post is Dufief parents who didn’t support A-D and now support H due to “safety” are hypocrites.

I don’t think Wootton is objectively unsafe. MCPS also doesn’t think so because if it is, why is Wootton safe for Damascus and Magruder or others that may use it as a holding school under H, but not safe for neighborhood kids in the community? Are there different safety standards for Damascus and Magruder kids?

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Anonymous wrote:What is the reason the Wootton walkers haven't advocated for E or F (or G)? Do they not want to antagonize or be seen as going against Crown/Gaithersburg?

This exactly. They don't want to piss off Crown/Gaithersburg. They are both advocating for a stand alone high school and Wootton walkers think Crown helps them for now.

My sense is that the fiscal argument against option A-D is too strong for this to work. I think MCPS strongly wants a holding school, whether it's Crown or Wootton.

I agree. It will be either EFG or H.

If we’re talking about fiscally, Crown as a holding school is cheaper. MCPS has done the studies.

1. MCPS own studies show Crown is closer for all the schools that need a holding school than Wootton. It would thus cost more to bus everyone to Wootton than to Crown (more accessible due to 270). Then you have to bus Wootton kids out of Wootton, which yet another extra cost to H.
2. Using Wootton as a holding school requires it to be renovated regardless since it’s not up to code. Renovation for Wootton happens under EFGH.

I genuinely don’t get why H is more fiscally sensible compared to EFG.

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Anonymous wrote:Dufief parents who now support H: Why were you all collectively pissed when the first options had send all of you to Crown. If Wootton is such bad conditions, you should’ve been happy with the original options?

I say those who want to go to Crown, should just go. Sounds like Dufief Travilah and Stone Mill want to go. Add in Rosemont and Fields Road and you got a high school of roughly ~2200, which matches perfectly with Crown’s size. This alleviates overcrowding at QO and Gaithersburg HS.

Leave Wootton to Fallsmead, Lakewood, Cold Spring families. Add in Wayside—half of Potomac Glen is currently split between Lakewood (which feeds into Wootton) and Wayside anyways. Then add in RM neighborhoods including the very walkable neighborhood of Horizon Hill and Fallsgrove, which is walkable as well (a lot of Wootton kids walk to Fallsgrove all the time). This justifies keeping Wootton as a cluster and alleviates overcrowding at RM and Churchill.

Welcome, you must be new. Dufief has been involved in this since June. Dufief was "pissed" because they split Dufief- and only Dufief- out of Wootton. Dufief overlapa constantly with Stone Mill and Travillah kids, that is their community. But the first options only sent Dufief to Crown. If they had sent Dufief, Stone Mill and Travillah all to Crown that at least would have made geographical sense. If you had any idea of the history here you would already know why Dufief was so mad.

Actually not new . Been following this issue from the beginning. Just find it ironic all these Dufief parents are talking about how happy they are getting a new school because Wootton is unsafe. Tell me does Dufief being the only school being sent make the Wootton building any more or less safe? If Dufief parents truly believed Wootton is unsafe, they should have been happy with the original options even if they were the only ones "lucky" enough to be districted to Crown. Or, is the argument about safety changing now?

I'm all for the most geographical sensible boundaries. Precisely why I did not buy in Dufief. By all means, send Dufief, Stone Mill, and Travilah kids to Crown. Don't send the rest of the kids who can walk to Wootton. Leave us in our "unsafe" building.

100%. The very few non-troll Wootton parents who support H are Dufief parents. They all say because option H is the only option where my child will get to go to a safe school. LOL no it's not. Options A-D also get your kid to a "safe school." At least stay consistent. If you support H because you really think Wootton is unsafe, you should logically also support A-D. Safety trumps all. It shouldn't matter if you are the only ES being moved to Crown because your kid's safety should be the most important factor.

Let's be real here. It's not about safety. If it were, Dufief parents would NEVER have pushed back on A-D like they almost UNIVERSALLY DID. It's pretty obvious. Dufief knew under A-D, their property values would have lowered and their kids would have gone from one of the highest ranked HS to an average ranking HS (and that's being generous). They see H as their ONLY saving grace. The logic is if we're doomed either way to go to Crown, might as well make the rest of the cluster move with us so that the rankings will be that drastic of a change.

Just be real and say the truth. Stop saying I support H because it's the only option where my kid gets to a safe school. SAY YOU SUPPORT A-D IF YOU REALLY THINK IT'S ABOUT SAFETY.

DUFIEF PUSHED BACK ON A-D BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STAY WTH THEIR CLUSTER. What don't you understand? It is BOTH. Stay with cluster AND safe school. Dufief was also told after the new utilization numbers came out that they could probably stay with the cluster in a modified A-D since there was now room at Frost. Nothing in writing though and can't trust MCPS so they won't end their advocacy against A-D.

Since then, all of these safety issues came out. Asbestos, mold, really??? Of course they want a safe school. It's insane that the other Wootton parents don't and are willing to settle for status quo as long as they can walk to school. Sorry, but magic money is not going to fall out of the sky to renovate Wootton and open Crown as a new high school.

And guess what? H isn't my first choice. I think Crown should be a holding school and E or F should be selected. Maybe Wootton should have collectively pushed those instead of an imaginary option.

Wow you still don’t get the point. Just answer one question: you are the one saying Wootton is unsafe. What’s more of a priority? Safety or cluster being intact?

Oh I get the point you are attempting to make but you are wrong. It's not an either/or. Option W thinks they can have both repairs and location plus Crown as a stand alone school. Why can't Dufief want the cluster and a safe environment? Holding school options maybe get us there, Option H maybe gets us there. A-D definitely do not.

Wootton is objectively unsafe. Do you disagree with that? Do you want your kids to go to school in a building with asbestos? How about working plumbing? Why are parents okay with this as long the school stays out?

No, you still don’t get it.

If Wootton is objectively unsafe, you should support H AND support A-D. That’s the only logical pathway, unless you think it is okay to send your child to what you say is an objectively unsafe school. You can for self reasons say I support H above A-D, but you can’t logically say I support H but not A-D if you believe Wootton is objectively unsafe. The whole point of my original post is Dufief parents who didn’t support A-D and now support H due to “safety” are hypocrites.

I don’t think Wootton is objectively unsafe. MCPS also doesn’t think so because if it is, why is Wootton safe for Damascus and Magruder or others that may use it as a holding school under H, but not safe for neighborhood kids in the community? Are there different safety standards for Damascus and Magruder kids?

You think they are hypocrites because you don't understand their motivation and refuse to believe it can actually be both cluster and safety. This isn't a debate. Just because you disagree doesn't change the way people feel.

Wootton needs a lot of work to become a safe holding school and I actually don't think it would be used that way under option H, at least not for a very long time. Magruder and Damascus can both build on site since they have room on their fields. Wootton doesn't have this option with its land. I don't know how it would be repurposed but you are correct that it wouldn't be safe for other kids either.