Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people who say that no one knew this guy and that their well-informed kids didn't know him... sorry, but your kids are not well-informed.

I am 50-year-old mom and I get that, if you don't ever look at social media you may not have heard of him, but if you have teens you absolutely should have.

Charlie Kirk was uber famous. There are memes about the memes about him.

I am looking forward to when the 48-hours expire and we can discuss some of his views here. I wholeheartedly respect DCUM's rules and I condemn in the strongest possible terms what happened to Charlie Kirk. No one asks or deserves to me murdered. Political violence is horrible for all of us. But Charlie Kirk was a very famous public figure and there is no contradiction between denouncing the assassination and critiquing his views.

I’ve never heard of him nor have my tweens. We aren’t big into SM though. Is Kirk kinda like Mr. Beast? I have heard of Mr. Beast? Is that his name? He had his own brand of lunchables.

If you had an 18 year old boy he would have heard of him. My college freshman said the killing was all his team talked about at practice yesterday. The team is a mix of conservative and liberal kids and opinions on Kirk ranged from adoration to disgust. He said they had a respectful discussion, which gave me great hope.

I'm struggling with adoration of hate and why people who were the targets of Kirk's hate need to be respectful.

What people or individuals were targeted of “Kirk’s hate”? When did he said he hated person XYZ or a group of people abc?

Or did he said he hates crime? Or murderers? Or hates the lack of morals out there?

What did he say he hated exactly? A thing? A concept? A proper noun person? A group of benign people? A country?

I don’t think the 48 hours are up but there are plenty of examples of this to come.

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people who say that no one knew this guy and that their well-informed kids didn't know him... sorry, but your kids are not well-informed.

I am 50-year-old mom and I get that, if you don't ever look at social media you may not have heard of him, but if you have teens you absolutely should have.

Charlie Kirk was uber famous. There are memes about the memes about him.

I am looking forward to when the 48-hours expire and we can discuss some of his views here. I wholeheartedly respect DCUM's rules and I condemn in the strongest possible terms what happened to Charlie Kirk. No one asks or deserves to me murdered. Political violence is horrible for all of us. But Charlie Kirk was a very famous public figure and there is no contradiction between denouncing the assassination and critiquing his views.

I’ve never heard of him nor have my tweens. We aren’t big into SM though. Is Kirk kinda like Mr. Beast? I have heard of Mr. Beast? Is that his name? He had his own brand of lunchables.

My college teens had never heard of him, when he was shot, they were told by friends that “he promotes gun violence and says horrific things”
So I guess it depends on who/where you are

My high school teen asked me about him last week so I explained scamming via 990s and explained that he's basically a con artist with rizz.

Face it, MOST “internet influencer” or “podcasters” never get traction and are drop out scam artists. Pushing cosmetics, pushing their personal option, pushing their Huak Tuan viral event for five mins.

Then there are the talented people who use them for civil discourse (Kirk) or broadening others horizons (Kelsey bros).

If you can’t tell the difference you’re not listening

I work in the Influencer and podcasting world, and have worked with people like Kirk.

There’s nothing talented about them. What they do is 100% understand the game, which is to be as controversial as possible to get views and virality. When we train new clients, we train them how to speak in ways that are triggering and leave no nuance/room for actual discourse. We also know to pick out debate opponents who will also be triggering in some way - dumb, LGBTQ+, something that will cause the internet to gang up on them and side with the Influencer.

It’s very hard for me to empathize with Kirk because when you get into that world, and over time you become more and more extreme to get more and more views, you know exactly what you’re signing up for. Everyone I’ve worked with has received death threats, had their homes broken into, etc. The women I know who do Only Fans basically live in fortresses because there are so many attempts to harm them.

I’m not gonna celebrate his death, but I’m not going to pretend he was out there doing God’s work. He had extensive training in how to go viral, and that was the motivation behind his content. If cuddling puppies would have made him money, believe me, he would have been doing that instead.

And if you don’t believe me, pick your favorite podcaster/influencer and scroll back on their timeline 10+ years. You’ll see that most start as fairly balanced and nuanced, and over time become more and more extreme because that’s what they need to do to get views. That one chick, Pearl whatever - she started with giving financial advice, nobody watched it, so she started with the whole weird anti-feminism thing (despite her not even following her own advice).

Best characterization yet. CK was a content creator. His team carefully curated the clips he was farming on TikTok, etc.

He was a Zionist / oligarch toadie. His fame was entirely astroturfed and fake; he had access to the power and money train and could muscle everyone else out. See also Ben Shapiro and every other Zionist dweeb they force down kids' throats.

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Anonymous wrote:My parents are who I go to for opinions of the non-perpetually online and here is my mother’s take, which I think was spot on:

“All the news was talking about was this guy that was killed yesterday, like the whole time. Who is this guy anyway? Kids are being killed every day, let’s care about that, not some stupid YouTube guy. I don’t know what’s going on with NBC, I’m going to stop watching if this is what the coverage is like.”

Essentially my mother honed in on how the media is desperately flailing to make people care about Charlie Kirk more than the dozens of children dying every day due to gun violence.

He wasn’t just some youtube guy - he founded a movement. Don't go to the clueless for advice.

When you call a nonprofit a “movement“ you sound culty.

We really need to figure out why white people in America at this moment in time are so desperate for a cult savior. Is it just the pressure of not being born at the apex of society anymore? Like, they are kind of lost because they realize that being born White doesn’t award them any special powers?

White culture is in shambles and people are looking for a community. White people are not allowed to view other white people as their community in the same way that latinos or AA or Asians because racism. That leaves a void. Nature abhors a vacuum.

I mean, this is BS. We have Scottish walks, hughland games, Irish heritage parades, October festivals and German celebrations, Italian celebrations.

Heck my grandma was Dutch and we all wore our orange shirts and watched soccer together.

We also have Appalachian culture, Southern culture, white Portland culture.

There's plenty to find. Now if you start talking about white pride, sure I'm going to side eye you. But you attend an Irish parade or do a debutante ball? No problem.

Most white people in the USA are completely disconnected from their native culture. Obviously you don’t see the more stable Scottish, Irish or German ethnic groups committing these acts, do you? That’s because they have a strong cultural foundation and are not as susceptible to influence. Exactly what I described earlier. It’s right there for you to see. There is no unified white American identity in the way that all other groups have. I agree that it’s for legitimate reasons but that doesn’t change the outcome. We need to find and allow for a healthy white identity that young white men can latch onto or else we will continue to have lost young men turn to demagogues for their culture needs.

Sorry you think if they were more connected to their roots in the Irish Republican Army or the National Socialists of Germany, they’d be less violent. Brilliant take.


So, you know, white boys could latch onto their identity as AMERICANS, in a nation of immigrants and their descendants, instead of being insanely racist. They can even celebrate a little genocide from 200 years ago if they want, as long as they do it subtly.

I think a big part of the problem in the US is that we kept up segregation for too long and didn’t make enough effort to purposely mix people up. It was resisted through redlining, and shutting public schools down. We aren’t even 100 years out from desegregation. Other countries in the Caribbean and South America that had slave trade and immigration have had a much longer period of time to merge into one culture.

Diversity, dispersity.

America pre 1980s was a melting pot of baseball and soccer games outside with all languages, creeds, countries, generations.

But 1990s on it was enclaves, failed multiculturalism, sanctuary cities, ESOL and Touch 1 for languages, etc.

Multiculturalism enclaves failed here and failed in UK and europe. No one gives two F’s about where they moved to except to recreate their homeland here and remit $$$ billions back there as well.

That's not what the 90s were like. There is nothing wrong with multiculturalism. That's how pizza, hamburgers, croissants, ice cream cones, nacho cheese, pho, and chicken tikka masala were invented. Manga, K-Pop, rock n' roll, jazz. The list is endless and it all comes from cultural cross pollination.

The dofderence nowadays is the internet and social media algorithms.

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Anonymous wrote:My parents are who I go to for opinions of the non-perpetually online and here is my mother’s take, which I think was spot on:

“All the news was talking about was this guy that was killed yesterday, like the whole time. Who is this guy anyway? Kids are being killed every day, let’s care about that, not some stupid YouTube guy. I don’t know what’s going on with NBC, I’m going to stop watching if this is what the coverage is like.”

Essentially my mother honed in on how the media is desperately flailing to make people care about Charlie Kirk more than the dozens of children dying every day due to gun violence.

He wasn’t just some youtube guy - he founded a movement. Don't go to the clueless for advice.

When you call a nonprofit a “movement“ you sound culty.

We really need to figure out why white people in America at this moment in time are so desperate for a cult savior. Is it just the pressure of not being born at the apex of society anymore? Like, they are kind of lost because they realize that being born White doesn’t award them any special powers?

White culture is in shambles and people are looking for a community. White people are not allowed to view other white people as their community in the same way that latinos or AA or Asians because racism. That leaves a void. Nature abhors a vacuum.

I mean, this is BS. We have Scottish walks, hughland games, Irish heritage parades, October festivals and German celebrations, Italian celebrations.

Heck my grandma was Dutch and we all wore our orange shirts and watched soccer together.

We also have Appalachian culture, Southern culture, white Portland culture.

There's plenty to find. Now if you start talking about white pride, sure I'm going to side eye you. But you attend an Irish parade or do a debutante ball? No problem.

Most white people in the USA are completely disconnected from their native culture. Obviously you don’t see the more stable Scottish, Irish or German ethnic groups committing these acts, do you? That’s because they have a strong cultural foundation and are not as susceptible to influence. Exactly what I described earlier. It’s right there for you to see. There is no unified white American identity in the way that all other groups have. I agree that it’s for legitimate reasons but that doesn’t change the outcome. We need to find and allow for a healthy white identity that young white men can latch onto or else we will continue to have lost young men turn to demagogues for their culture needs.

Sorry you think if they were more connected to their roots in the Irish Republican Army or the National Socialists of Germany, they’d be less violent. Brilliant take.


So, you know, white boys could latch onto their identity as AMERICANS, in a nation of immigrants and their descendants, instead of being insanely racist. They can even celebrate a little genocide from 200 years ago if they want, as long as they do it subtly.

So then you just made more racist accusations. Wake up. Just listen to yourself. Should black people or Latinos also latch onto their identity as AMERICANS or are you proposing different rules for different racial groups? Ignorance.

Yes, black peoples and Latinos should latch only their identity as Americans. What is wrong with you?

What is so hard to understand? I am saying that black americans and latino americans have a hyphenated identity that white americans are not allowed to express.

What are you talking about? Check out South Boston on St Patrick's day (or any day of the year). Go to <insert Italian American enclave in every big city> and look for some pride.

Irish and Italians weren’t “white” until they earned their place in the oppressors’ fold.

https://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-events/when-irish-immigrants-werent-considered-white.htm

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Anonymous wrote:My parents are who I go to for opinions of the non-perpetually online and here is my mother’s take, which I think was spot on:

“All the news was talking about was this guy that was killed yesterday, like the whole time. Who is this guy anyway? Kids are being killed every day, let’s care about that, not some stupid YouTube guy. I don’t know what’s going on with NBC, I’m going to stop watching if this is what the coverage is like.”

Essentially my mother honed in on how the media is desperately flailing to make people care about Charlie Kirk more than the dozens of children dying every day due to gun violence.

The way the GOP is carrying on you would think the Almighty himself was the one who passed.

I don’t know why people that called themselves Christian idolized some men so much. Isn’t idolatry against the scripture?

Calling yourself Christian is the easiest way to fleece the dumbest Americans.

I read in a NYT article that his wife has a line of “faith-based street wear”? I can’t bring myself to google what that looks like.

There is a lot of grifting and money making in Megachurch culture.

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Anonymous wrote:For those questioning all the media coverage, it’s the first time an American has been publicly assassinated in the US for their political beliefs SINCE 1968. It’s a big deal.

Uh you’re forgetting the two legislators in MN.

That was not a public assassination. It took place in a private home.

What difference does THAT make?

Public assassinations tend to have a greater impact than private ones.

Public assassinations occur in front of witnesses or are captured by media, which amplifies the shock. The public setting turns the act into a spectacle, symbolizing a direct attack on shared values or leadership, which resonates widely and instantly. Private killings lack this immediate, communal exposure.

A public killing violates the sense of safety in shared spaces, making it feel like an attack on the public itself. Private assassinations feel more isolated, limiting the visceral sense of collective threat.

Hence the media coverage and why many are feeling this event deeply. It’s the first political assassination the public has witnessed in the US since 1968.

Correct. It’s terrorism as well

Why is it terrorism? One dude (Kirk), with a questionable reputation, was shot. He happened to have a political following, be wonder bread white, and was a YouTube influencer. Shooter is yet to be identified but appears to be another white American man of roughly the same age bracket. He used a gun, which Kirk politicized as a 2A right even if it might innocents get killed. And you say Kirk’s killing is terrorism. We fly flags at half mast and the body flies in AF2.

George Floyd is black. He also has a questionable reputation, but he was minding his on business. He was suspected of being high but quite happy. White cops detain him, and put him a chokehold (unprovoked) until he dies. People are outraged, get angry, and protest. MAGA (and probably PP) lose their mind, but they don’t view this killing as terrorism. Actually, the protestors are terrorists.

See any irony in all of that?

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people who say that no one knew this guy and that their well-informed kids didn't know him... sorry, but your kids are not well-informed.

I am 50-year-old mom and I get that, if you don't ever look at social media you may not have heard of him, but if you have teens you absolutely should have.

Charlie Kirk was uber famous. There are memes about the memes about him.

I am looking forward to when the 48-hours expire and we can discuss some of his views here. I wholeheartedly respect DCUM's rules and I condemn in the strongest possible terms what happened to Charlie Kirk. No one asks or deserves to me murdered. Political violence is horrible for all of us. But Charlie Kirk was a very famous public figure and there is no contradiction between denouncing the assassination and critiquing his views.

I’ve never heard of him nor have my tweens. We aren’t big into SM though. Is Kirk kinda like Mr. Beast? I have heard of Mr. Beast? Is that his name? He had his own brand of lunchables.

My college teens had never heard of him, when he was shot, they were told by friends that “he promotes gun violence and says horrific things”
So I guess it depends on who/where you are

My high school teen asked me about him last week so I explained scamming via 990s and explained that he's basically a con artist with rizz.

Face it, MOST “internet influencer” or “podcasters” never get traction and are drop out scam artists. Pushing cosmetics, pushing their personal option, pushing their Huak Tuan viral event for five mins.

Then there are the talented people who use them for civil discourse (Kirk) or broadening others horizons (Kelsey bros).

If you can’t tell the difference you’re not listening

I work in the Influencer and podcasting world, and have worked with people like Kirk.

There’s nothing talented about them. What they do is 100% understand the game, which is to be as controversial as possible to get views and virality. When we train new clients, we train them how to speak in ways that are triggering and leave no nuance/room for actual discourse. We also know to pick out debate opponents who will also be triggering in some way - dumb, LGBTQ+, something that will cause the internet to gang up on them and side with the Influencer.

It’s very hard for me to empathize with Kirk because when you get into that world, and over time you become more and more extreme to get more and more views, you know exactly what you’re signing up for. Everyone I’ve worked with has received death threats, had their homes broken into, etc. The women I know who do Only Fans basically live in fortresses because there are so many attempts to harm them.

I’m not gonna celebrate his death, but I’m not going to pretend he was out there doing God’s work. He had extensive training in how to go viral, and that was the motivation behind his content. If cuddling puppies would have made him money, believe me, he would have been doing that instead.

And if you don’t believe me, pick your favorite podcaster/influencer and scroll back on their timeline 10+ years. You’ll see that most start as fairly balanced and nuanced, and over time become more and more extreme because that’s what they need to do to get views. That one chick, Pearl whatever - she started with giving financial advice, nobody watched it, so she started with the whole weird anti-feminism thing (despite her not even following her own advice).

Best characterization yet. CK was a content creator. His team carefully curated the clips he was farming on TikTok, etc.

Of course they did! I work with college students. The vast majority are more articulate than the people he “debates” in his videos. They purposely pick clips of the most fringe people, and/or kids who don’t express themselves very well to create a narrative that “the left” is stupid and crazy.

How anyone can accept someone’s social media content uncritically in 2025 is beyond me. Do you put everything on your social media or just the things that make you look good? This is such a simple concept I thought we all understood. Why is America so dumb??

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Anonymous wrote:My parents are who I go to for opinions of the non-perpetually online and here is my mother’s take, which I think was spot on:

“All the news was talking about was this guy that was killed yesterday, like the whole time. Who is this guy anyway? Kids are being killed every day, let’s care about that, not some stupid YouTube guy. I don’t know what’s going on with NBC, I’m going to stop watching if this is what the coverage is like.”

Essentially my mother honed in on how the media is desperately flailing to make people care about Charlie Kirk more than the dozens of children dying every day due to gun violence.

He wasn’t just some youtube guy - he founded a movement. Don't go to the clueless for advice.

When you call a nonprofit a “movement“ you sound culty.

We really need to figure out why white people in America at this moment in time are so desperate for a cult savior. Is it just the pressure of not being born at the apex of society anymore? Like, they are kind of lost because they realize that being born White doesn’t award them any special powers?

White culture is in shambles and people are looking for a community. White people are not allowed to view other white people as their community in the same way that latinos or AA or Asians because racism. That leaves a void. Nature abhors a vacuum.

I mean, this is BS. We have Scottish walks, hughland games, Irish heritage parades, October festivals and German celebrations, Italian celebrations.

Heck my grandma was Dutch and we all wore our orange shirts and watched soccer together.

We also have Appalachian culture, Southern culture, white Portland culture.

There's plenty to find. Now if you start talking about white pride, sure I'm going to side eye you. But you attend an Irish parade or do a debutante ball? No problem.

Most white people in the USA are completely disconnected from their native culture. Obviously you don’t see the more stable Scottish, Irish or German ethnic groups committing these acts, do you? That’s because they have a strong cultural foundation and are not as susceptible to influence. Exactly what I described earlier. It’s right there for you to see. There is no unified white American identity in the way that all other groups have. I agree that it’s for legitimate reasons but that doesn’t change the outcome. We need to find and allow for a healthy white identity that young white men can latch onto or else we will continue to have lost young men turn to demagogues for their culture needs.

Sorry you think if they were more connected to their roots in the Irish Republican Army or the National Socialists of Germany, they’d be less violent. Brilliant take.


So, you know, white boys could latch onto their identity as AMERICANS, in a nation of immigrants and their descendants, instead of being insanely racist. They can even celebrate a little genocide from 200 years ago if they want, as long as they do it subtly.

So then you just made more racist accusations. Wake up. Just listen to yourself. Should black people or Latinos also latch onto their identity as AMERICANS or are you proposing different rules for different racial groups? Ignorance.

Yes, black peoples and Latinos should latch only their identity as Americans. What is wrong with you?

What is so hard to understand? I am saying that black americans and latino americans have a hyphenated identity that white americans are not allowed to express.

Irish Americans, Italian Americans, Polish Americans, German Americans of Michigan and Wisconsin, Jewish Americans and so on and so on.

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Anonymous wrote:My parents are who I go to for opinions of the non-perpetually online and here is my mother’s take, which I think was spot on:

“All the news was talking about was this guy that was killed yesterday, like the whole time. Who is this guy anyway? Kids are being killed every day, let’s care about that, not some stupid YouTube guy. I don’t know what’s going on with NBC, I’m going to stop watching if this is what the coverage is like.”

Essentially my mother honed in on how the media is desperately flailing to make people care about Charlie Kirk more than the dozens of children dying every day due to gun violence.

He wasn’t just some youtube guy - he founded a movement. Don't go to the clueless for advice.

When you call a nonprofit a “movement“ you sound culty.

We really need to figure out why white people in America at this moment in time are so desperate for a cult savior. Is it just the pressure of not being born at the apex of society anymore? Like, they are kind of lost because they realize that being born White doesn’t award them any special powers?

White culture is in shambles and people are looking for a community. White people are not allowed to view other white people as their community in the same way that latinos or AA or Asians because racism. That leaves a void. Nature abhors a vacuum.

I mean, this is BS. We have Scottish walks, hughland games, Irish heritage parades, October festivals and German celebrations, Italian celebrations.

Heck my grandma was Dutch and we all wore our orange shirts and watched soccer together.

We also have Appalachian culture, Southern culture, white Portland culture.

There's plenty to find. Now if you start talking about white pride, sure I'm going to side eye you. But you attend an Irish parade or do a debutante ball? No problem.

Most white people in the USA are completely disconnected from their native culture. Obviously you don’t see the more stable Scottish, Irish or German ethnic groups committing these acts, do you? That’s because they have a strong cultural foundation and are not as susceptible to influence. Exactly what I described earlier. It’s right there for you to see. There is no unified white American identity in the way that all other groups have. I agree that it’s for legitimate reasons but that doesn’t change the outcome. We need to find and allow for a healthy white identity that young white men can latch onto or else we will continue to have lost young men turn to demagogues for their culture needs.

Sorry you think if they were more connected to their roots in the Irish Republican Army or the National Socialists of Germany, they’d be less violent. Brilliant take.


So, you know, white boys could latch onto their identity as AMERICANS, in a nation of immigrants and their descendants, instead of being insanely racist. They can even celebrate a little genocide from 200 years ago if they want, as long as they do it subtly.

I think a big part of the problem in the US is that we kept up segregation for too long and didn’t make enough effort to purposely mix people up. It was resisted through redlining, and shutting public schools down. We aren’t even 100 years out from desegregation. Other countries in the Caribbean and South America that had slave trade and immigration have had a much longer period of time to merge into one culture.

Diversity, dispersity.

America pre 1980s was a melting pot of baseball and soccer games outside with all languages, creeds, countries, generations.

But 1990s on it was enclaves, failed multiculturalism, sanctuary cities, ESOL and Touch 1 for languages, etc.

Multiculturalism enclaves failed here and failed in UK and europe. No one gives two F’s about where they moved to except to recreate their homeland here and remit $$$ billions back there as well.

You are not historically accurate. My dad grew up in a Sicilian neighborhood in the 1930s. It was definitely not mixed and they were not crazy about “Americans” haniging around. My dad actually got bullied because he was the only one whose parent married a non Italian and he didn’t really speak Italian/socilian. The other side of my family came from Ireland in the late 19th century — they all hung out with other Irish (typically even from the same County in Ireland) and even marrying a French Canadian was a little eyebrow raising. God forbid you marry a Protestant!

People have a natural innate inclination to feel more comfortable around people that are similar. It’s not really a productive instinct at this point in human development but it is an instinct. It’s not a new thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are all the "he was so respectful" posters explaining how all of these things that he said were so respectful. Where'd you guys go?

They were able to get away with that lie because Jeff would not allow us to rebut it with facts because of the 48-hour rule. It's over and those lying posters have disappeared. They can't or won't handle the truth

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Anonymous wrote:My parents are who I go to for opinions of the non-perpetually online and here is my mother’s take, which I think was spot on:

“All the news was talking about was this guy that was killed yesterday, like the whole time. Who is this guy anyway? Kids are being killed every day, let’s care about that, not some stupid YouTube guy. I don’t know what’s going on with NBC, I’m going to stop watching if this is what the coverage is like.”

Essentially my mother honed in on how the media is desperately flailing to make people care about Charlie Kirk more than the dozens of children dying every day due to gun violence.

The way the GOP is carrying on you would think the Almighty himself was the one who passed.

I don’t know why people that called themselves Christian idolized some men so much. Isn’t idolatry against the scripture?

Calling yourself Christian is the easiest way to fleece the dumbest Americans.

He wasn't even a real Christian, he was a "Judeo-Christian" i.e. nothing but a pro Israeli Zionist warmongering mouthpiece. Kid didn't even go to college, they prop these people up to brainwash Americans. Without Zionist money this guy would have been, what, working at a cell phone store in the Midwest?

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GODO WHITE MALE NOT TRANS NOT POC

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It's a few hours early, but I am going to lift the moratorium on negative posts. There have been a number of posts challenging the nature of Kirk's activities and it is impossible to respond to them without using his own words which put him in a negative light.

I would ask everyone to try to remain respectful and to avoid name-calling. We are not going to be closely watching this thread and things could get out of hand quickly. If there are particularly egregious posts, please report them. But, also please try to have a reasonably thick skin.

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Killer has been identified. He doesn't look like some crazy antifa.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many of you leftists have no idea why Kirk's assassination has turned into such a big deal.

Kirk was doing it "the right way" according to the left. Disagree politely, listen, give the other side space.

And he was killed because leftists didn't like what he had to say (as this thread amply shows) and they didn't want him to keep saying it.

Lots and lots of the "Democrat base" are celebrating and cheering the deliberate murder of someone who had the guts to publicly disagree with the left. "Debate this!" I see the signs being posted on college campuses, with a drawing of Kirk bleeding out from his neck.

So.

What value is there is "peace" and "restraint" when leftists murdered the most prominent guy on the right who was all about peace and restraint? And celebrate his death?

If you leftists are so glad to see Kirk killed... well, there's no possibility of peace, is there. He WAS the "peaceful solution". And leftists murdered him for it. Or at least are very happy about it.

If Kirk is not acceptable to the left.... we all know you guys would GLADLY kill the rest of us, too.

Kirk was a sort of "ambassador" to the left... and he was murdered because of it. What happens when an ambassador is killed? That's a casus belli and has been since Ghengis Khan, at the very least.

I don’t appreciate the broad generalization happening here. First off, this person probably worked alone, 75 million people and or anyone official is involved here. I have no control over what others say or do. And I think “lots” is an exaggeration. The celebrators are a minority amongst a large group of people.

It's been less than 24 hours since he was killed, and I've already seen coworkers, people just out in public - and certainly a lot of people on this very board, openly cheering that he was killed.

I think you're wrong in thinking that this is a 'small' segment of people on the left. I wasn't even looking, and saw dozens of examples of it, less than a day after he was killed.

I didn't agree with much of anything Charlie Kirk said. But first and foremost, he was a human being, with a wife and two young kids that will now grow up without a father. I'm deeply disappointed and kind of shocked by my own political party at the moment. There's some sickening stuff being said on reddit/bluesky/twitter, and it's not even been a day.

If you have receipts, then post them.

The party of free speech has assembled a website doxxing people online who have criticized Kirk calling it “Charlie’s Murderers.” Real normal behavior there.