Diversity Equity and Inclusion

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Anonymous wrote:When I taught 3rd grade, the father of my one Asian student asked for an extra math text book to keep at home so they could practice math. The other white more affluent parents complained if I assigned math homework on a game night, like for soccer or some extra curricular league. I had no idea of the schedule. A white family took their son out of class for a week to attend the Workd Series in another state. I could go on and on.

Homework doesn't actually do that much good. So, I question your teaching methods.

But it does do enough good to get children into high level reading, math, and science programs in elementary and middle schools and into IB and AP classes in high school, and then into college majors that train them for good jobs or graduate programs.

Eventually, they will provide financial assistance to adults whose teachers thought homework didn’t do much good.

Humans don't get good at much of anything without practice. Homework is practice.

There are no successful mathematicians, musicians, scientists, doctors or anything else of value that didn't get there by working hard for years and years.

One of the key flaws I see in modern Western culture and education is the idea that success should be effortless and that students shouldn't be expected to put real time and energy into their work.

This. Stop insulting children who study. It’s not a good look.

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Anonymous wrote:Racial stereotypes per usual on DCUM…

Uh, Ajay Bhatt?
Peter Tsai?
Steven Shih Chen?
Flossie Wong?


Those are just a few that come to mind. Middle-aged white lady here.

Sorry, but each of those people were western educated.

BTW I was not saying that people with Asian genetics are not creative but rather that the vastly different cultures have lead to different strengths.

The “Asian culture” is to drill, drill, drill, practice, practice, practice, to the exclusion of everything else. It’s how your children excel in math and then don’t actually produce anything worthwhile with the knowledge. Granted it’s just anectdata, but every “Asian genius” I’ve ever known has struggled mightily to apply their “genius” to real life problems. And plenty of TJ grads who excelled on the entrance criteria and then floundered in their actual careers when strategy and creativity and dealing with gray areas became important. Equity requires us to take a hard look at our criteria when it tends to result in one group dominating to the exclusion of others. We’re not going to solve the world’s problems by having a bunch of adults whose skills and talents are limited to performing well in areas susceptible to improvement through constant drilling.

...and don't produce anything worthwhile with the knowledge?

What world are you living in if not this one where Asians dominate the upper ranks of tech companies, engineering of all types, medicine, and increasingly even popular culture. (Mario, Pokemon, K-pop, manga, TikTok...)

Ffs the Asian fantasist is excited about Tik Tok and K-pop. Ffs.

[Anonymous]

You have to balance the modest gains from homework against the opportunity costs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Racial stereotypes per usual on DCUM…

Uh, Ajay Bhatt?
Peter Tsai?
Steven Shih Chen?
Flossie Wong?


Those are just a few that come to mind. Middle-aged white lady here.

Sorry, but each of those people were western educated.

BTW I was not saying that people with Asian genetics are not creative but rather that the vastly different cultures have lead to different strengths.

The “Asian culture” is to drill, drill, drill, practice, practice, practice, to the exclusion of everything else. It’s how your children excel in math and then don’t actually produce anything worthwhile with the knowledge. Granted it’s just anectdata, but every “Asian genius” I’ve ever known has struggled mightily to apply their “genius” to real life problems. And plenty of TJ grads who excelled on the entrance criteria and then floundered in their actual careers when strategy and creativity and dealing with gray areas became important. Equity requires us to take a hard look at our criteria when it tends to result in one group dominating to the exclusion of others. We’re not going to solve the world’s problems by having a bunch of adults whose skills and talents are limited to performing well in areas susceptible to improvement through constant drilling.

Asians in the U.S. are not a random sample of Asians globally and Asian immigrants have not come primarily from lower classes. The historic discrimination against Asians was not slavery or Jim Crow but broad exclusion from the U.S. until the 20th Century. So now most Asian Americans are the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd generations here, most of the immigrants who were approved to enter had money or skills or degrees in demand, and they have mostly lived in cities and suburbs on the West Coast and East Coast.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Racial stereotypes per usual on DCUM…

Uh, Ajay Bhatt?
Peter Tsai?
Steven Shih Chen?
Flossie Wong?


Those are just a few that come to mind. Middle-aged white lady here.

Sorry, but each of those people were western educated.

BTW I was not saying that people with Asian genetics are not creative but rather that the vastly different cultures have lead to different strengths.

The “Asian culture” is to drill, drill, drill, practice, practice, practice, to the exclusion of everything else. It’s how your children excel in math and then don’t actually produce anything worthwhile with the knowledge. Granted it’s just anectdata, but every “Asian genius” I’ve ever known has struggled mightily to apply their “genius” to real life problems. And plenty of TJ grads who excelled on the entrance criteria and then floundered in their actual careers when strategy and creativity and dealing with gray areas became important. Equity requires us to take a hard look at our criteria when it tends to result in one group dominating to the exclusion of others. We’re not going to solve the world’s problems by having a bunch of adults whose skills and talents are limited to performing well in areas susceptible to improvement through constant drilling.

...and don't produce anything worthwhile with the knowledge?

What world are you living in if not this one where Asians dominate the upper ranks of tech companies, engineering of all types, medicine, and increasingly even popular culture. (Mario, Pokemon, K-pop, manga, TikTok...)

Ffs the Asian fantasist is excited about Tik Tok and K-pop. Ffs.

Fantasist? How about you come up with an actual response if you can. Pop culture is often shallow. Are American boy bands any more or less vapid than K-pop?


Asians succeed because they put in the effort... and progressives absolutely hate them for it because they prove that a path exists for people who are willing to work to succeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You have to balance the modest gains from homework against the opportunity costs.

You mean less time watching Netflix?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:When I taught 3rd grade, the father of my one Asian student asked for an extra math text book to keep at home so they could practice math. The other white more affluent parents complained if I assigned math homework on a game night, like for soccer or some extra curricular league. I had no idea of the schedule. A white family took their son out of class for a week to attend the Workd Series in another state. I could go on and on.

Homework doesn't actually do that much good. So, I question your teaching methods.

But it does do enough good to get children into high level reading, math, and science programs in elementary and middle schools and into IB and AP classes in high school, and then into college majors that train them for good jobs or graduate programs.

Eventually, they will provide financial assistance to adults whose teachers thought homework didn’t do much good.

Humans don't get good at much of anything without practice. Homework is practice.

There are no successful mathematicians, musicians, scientists, doctors or anything else of value that didn't get there by working hard for years and years.

One of the key flaws I see in modern Western culture and education is the idea that success should be effortless and that students shouldn't be expected to put real time and energy into their work.

This. Stop insulting children who study. It’s not a good look.

They can't. If Asians show you can succeed through hard work people might start to ask questions like... "what other groups could succeed through hard work?"

This is obviously a question that can't be asked, and so Asians just need to not work so hard and stop making other groups look bad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When I taught 3rd grade, the father of my one Asian student asked for an extra math text book to keep at home so they could practice math. The other white more affluent parents complained if I assigned math homework on a game night, like for soccer or some extra curricular league. I had no idea of the schedule. A white family took their son out of class for a week to attend the Workd Series in another state. I could go on and on.

Homework doesn't actually do that much good. So, I question your teaching methods.

But it does do enough good to get children into high level reading, math, and science programs in elementary and middle schools and into IB and AP classes in high school, and then into college majors that train them for good jobs or graduate programs.

Eventually, they will provide financial assistance to adults whose teachers thought homework didn’t do much good.

Humans don't get good at much of anything without practice. Homework is practice.

There are no successful mathematicians, musicians, scientists, doctors or anything else of value that didn't get there by working hard for years and years.

One of the key flaws I see in modern Western culture and education is the idea that success should be effortless and that students shouldn't be expected to put real time and energy into their work.

This. Stop insulting children who study. It’s not a good look.

They can't. If Asians show you can succeed through hard work people might start to ask questions like... "what other groups could succeed through hard work?"

This is obviously a question that can't be asked, and so Asians just need to not work so hard and stop making other groups look bad.

It does seem that because the phenomenal success of Asian-Americans can't be explained away nor fits the narrative, they have to be effectively punished and cut out of the picture.

The entire woke movement is solely about the failures of a certain racial demographic. I don't like saying this but there is an extraordinary amount of enabling and avoiding of basic reality and it effectively means everyone else is being penalized / dragged down to avoid this basic reality, to the point of inventing a bogeyman and imposing it on the entire society as the raison d'entre for all the highly divisive social programs and educational curriculums (which are, when you look closely at the details, little more than rubbish and fiction and revisionist history).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You have to balance the modest gains from homework against the opportunity costs.

You mean less time watching Netflix?

Maybe. If that's what your kids do. My kids end up being pretty creative when given downtime. Like teaching themselves how to install and tweak a Minecraft server that they then build up with their friends, collaborating on Discord.

[Anonymous]

Americans have this Puritan "no pain, no gain" mentality. Suffering is celebrated. Joy and leisure are objects of skepticism and scorn. Learning by playing is positively frivolous. The world is a testing ground for the faithful. If you're not miserable, you're either in league with the Devil or you're soon to get your come uppance from God.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You have to balance the modest gains from homework against the opportunity costs.

You mean less time watching Netflix?

Maybe. If that's what your kids do. My kids end up being pretty creative when given downtime. Like teaching themselves how to install and tweak a Minecraft server that they then build up with their friends, collaborating on Discord.

Oh, so video games, cool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Americans have this Puritan "no pain, no gain" mentality. Suffering is celebrated. Joy and leisure are objects of skepticism and scorn. Learning by playing is positively frivolous. The world is a testing ground for the faithful. If you're not miserable, you're either in league with the Devil or you're soon to get your come uppance from God.

Neat story, why did you post it here though?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When I taught 3rd grade, the father of my one Asian student asked for an extra math text book to keep at home so they could practice math. The other white more affluent parents complained if I assigned math homework on a game night, like for soccer or some extra curricular league. I had no idea of the schedule. A white family took their son out of class for a week to attend the Workd Series in another state. I could go on and on.

Homework doesn't actually do that much good. So, I question your teaching methods.

But it does do enough good to get children into high level reading, math, and science programs in elementary and middle schools and into IB and AP classes in high school, and then into college majors that train them for good jobs or graduate programs.

Eventually, they will provide financial assistance to adults whose teachers thought homework didn’t do much good.

Humans don't get good at much of anything without practice. Homework is practice.

There are no successful mathematicians, musicians, scientists, doctors or anything else of value that didn't get there by working hard for years and years.

One of the key flaws I see in modern Western culture and education is the idea that success should be effortless and that students shouldn't be expected to put real time and energy into their work.

This. Stop insulting children who study. It’s not a good look.

They can't. If Asians show you can succeed through hard work people might start to ask questions like... "what other groups could succeed through hard work?"

This is obviously a question that can't be asked, and so Asians just need to not work so hard and stop making other groups look bad.

It does seem that because the phenomenal success of Asian-Americans can't be explained away nor fits the narrative, they have to be effectively punished and cut out of the picture.

The entire woke movement is solely about the failures of a certain racial demographic. I don't like saying this but there is an extraordinary amount of enabling and avoiding of basic reality and it effectively means everyone else is being penalized / dragged down to avoid this basic reality, to the point of inventing a bogeyman and imposing it on the entire society as the raison d'entre for all the highly divisive social programs and educational curriculums (which are, when you look closely at the details, little more than rubbish and fiction and revisionist history).

100%. Well said. The big secret that nobody talks about out loud.

[Anonymous]

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The entire woke movement is solely about the failures of a certain racial demographic.

Is it your contention that, if black American culture was more apt to celebrate the value of education and hard work, that demographic would be more likely to experience economic improvement? Historically, for blacks in America, this doesn't seem to have been the case. Maybe it would be different this time around, but I think the "woke" movement is trying to explain and fix some of the disparities Black people have experienced -- whereby education and hard work has not historically resulted in them prospering in the same way other demographics have done with similar levels of effort.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Americans have this Puritan "no pain, no gain" mentality. Suffering is celebrated. Joy and leisure are objects of skepticism and scorn. Learning by playing is positively frivolous. The world is a testing ground for the faithful. If you're not miserable, you're either in league with the Devil or you're soon to get your come uppance from God.

Neat story, why did you post it here though?

Keep thinking. You'll get it.