Why is ante bellum racist?

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Anonymous wrote:I understand that asking this question invites all kinds of criticism. I am asking sincerely. Help me understand why wearing pretty dresses to a party is racist?

Thank you.

Antebellum means the period before war; Antebellum South means the American south pre-Civil War that was dominated by slavery, socially and economically. It's embarrassing to 'party' in this way. It's like having a Holocaust party with Nazi or Hitler Youth uniforms and asking why it's racist or anti-semitic.

Not the same thing at all. There was much in the antebellum South that was not dominated by slavery. And, FWIW, hoop skirts were also worn in the North.

The slave south was worse than Nazi Germany. And, even though Nazi Germany was horrific, it's not even that close.

OMFG. SMH. I can't even. Wow that's just umm, well, you know. No you surely don't know and are proud of purity too. You are blinded by your own smugness.

Is this a response? What metric would you use to argue that the antebellum South was less monstrous than Nazi Germany?

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Anonymous wrote:I understand that asking this question invites all kinds of criticism. I am asking sincerely. Help me understand why wearing pretty dresses to a party is racist?

Thank you.

Antebellum means the period before war; Antebellum South means the American south pre-Civil War that was dominated by slavery, socially and economically. It's embarrassing to 'party' in this way. It's like having a Holocaust party with Nazi or Hitler Youth uniforms and asking why it's racist or anti-semitic.

Not the same thing at all. There was much in the antebellum South that was not dominated by slavery. And, FWIW, hoop skirts were also worn in the North.

The slave south was worse than Nazi Germany. And, even though Nazi Germany was horrific, it's not even that close.

Stop trolling.

Do you disagree? In the south, a much larger segment of the population was subjected to torture, forced labor, rape, murder, kidnapping, and forcible separation from their children for century after century. This is not at all to defend the decade plus of full on murder experienced by the Jewish people in areas controlled by the Nazis. But people who celebrate the antebellum South are celebrating something much worse than the people who celebrate Nazi Germany.

You really need to ask this question on a Jewish forum. The resulting discussion, should be umm, interesting.

Again, not a substantive response. I'm open to the idea that I'm wrong, but all I'm seeing is a bunch of spluttering. I believe that Nazi German was every bit as bad as any Jewish forum would say it was. But I don't see how that diminishes the barbarity of the antebellum South.

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Anonymous wrote:I understand that asking this question invites all kinds of criticism. I am asking sincerely. Help me understand why wearing pretty dresses to a party is racist?

Thank you.

Antebellum means the period before war; Antebellum South means the American south pre-Civil War that was dominated by slavery, socially and economically. It's embarrassing to 'party' in this way. It's like having a Holocaust party with Nazi or Hitler Youth uniforms and asking why it's racist or anti-semitic.

Not the same thing at all. There was much in the antebellum South that was not dominated by slavery. And, FWIW, hoop skirts were also worn in the North.

The slave south was worse than Nazi Germany. And, even though Nazi Germany was horrific, it's not even that close.

Stop trolling.

Do you disagree? In the south, a much larger segment of the population was subjected to torture, forced labor, rape, murder, kidnapping, and forcible separation from their children for century after century. This is not at all to defend the decade plus of full on murder experienced by the Jewish people in areas controlled by the Nazis. But people who celebrate the antebellum South are celebrating something much worse than the people who celebrate Nazi Germany.

You really need to ask this question on a Jewish forum. The resulting discussion, should be umm, interesting.

Again, not a substantive response. I'm open to the idea that I'm wrong, but all I'm seeing is a bunch of spluttering. I believe that Nazi German was every bit as bad as any Jewish forum would say it was. But I don't see how that diminishes the barbarity of the antebellum South.

It doesnt. You're doing the opposite though. I still believe you trolling hard and intentionally being extremely offensive. But here's a metric for you: human skin lampshades and rendered human fat candles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand that asking this question invites all kinds of criticism. I am asking sincerely. Help me understand why wearing pretty dresses to a party is racist?

Thank you.

Antebellum means the period before war; Antebellum South means the American south pre-Civil War that was dominated by slavery, socially and economically. It's embarrassing to 'party' in this way. It's like having a Holocaust party with Nazi or Hitler Youth uniforms and asking why it's racist or anti-semitic.

Not the same thing at all. There was much in the antebellum South that was not dominated by slavery. And, FWIW, hoop skirts were also worn in the North.

The slave south was worse than Nazi Germany. And, even though Nazi Germany was horrific, it's not even that close.

OMFG. SMH. I can't even. Wow that's just umm, well, you know. No you surely don't know and are proud of purity too. You are blinded by your own smugness.

Is this a response? What metric would you use to argue that the antebellum South was less monstrous than Nazi Germany?

Yes, it's a response. It's really hard to answer without blowing up this thread and I don't want to do that. I'll just say that making this comparison is deeply offensive to many Jews. If you can't see this, I am sorry. I am not the one to explain it to you.

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What is the point in ranking atrocities? Don’t celebrate a lifestyle made possible by slavery. Don’t celebrate people who tried to exterminate others. Basically, don’t cosplay perpetrators of crimes against humanity.

Attempting to drive a wedge between different populations that have been brutally victimized and oppressed is shameful. Stop it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand that asking this question invites all kinds of criticism. I am asking sincerely. Help me understand why wearing pretty dresses to a party is racist?

Thank you.

Antebellum means the period before war; Antebellum South means the American south pre-Civil War that was dominated by slavery, socially and economically. It's embarrassing to 'party' in this way. It's like having a Holocaust party with Nazi or Hitler Youth uniforms and asking why it's racist or anti-semitic.

Not the same thing at all. There was much in the antebellum South that was not dominated by slavery. And, FWIW, hoop skirts were also worn in the North.

The slave south was worse than Nazi Germany. And, even though Nazi Germany was horrific, it's not even that close.

OMFG. SMH. I can't even. Wow that's just umm, well, you know. No you surely don't know and are proud of purity too. You are blinded by your own smugness.

Is this a response? What metric would you use to argue that the antebellum South was less monstrous than Nazi Germany?

Yes, it's a response. It's really hard to answer without blowing up this thread and I don't want to do that. I'll just say that making this comparison is deeply offensive to many Jews. If you can't see this, I am sorry. I am not the one to explain it to you.

NP, and I am not going to argue if the south and slavery was worse than Nazi Germany. Not constructive. But I do not know a single Jewish person who would be offended at parallels being drawn between slavery, a 200 year old holocaust event in this country, and the Jewish holocaust.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the point in ranking atrocities? Don’t celebrate a lifestyle made possible by slavery. Don’t celebrate people who tried to exterminate others. Basically, don’t cosplay perpetrators of crimes against humanity.

Attempting to drive a wedge between different populations that have been brutally victimized and oppressed is shameful. Stop it.

I just posted that I don't kn people any Jewish people who would be offended by drawing parallels, and this post is a powerfully written reason for that. We should not try to outdo on atrocities--it is shameful--when common empathy is so available.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand that asking this question invites all kinds of criticism. I am asking sincerely. Help me understand why wearing pretty dresses to a party is racist?

Thank you.

Antebellum means the period before war; Antebellum South means the American south pre-Civil War that was dominated by slavery, socially and economically. It's embarrassing to 'party' in this way. It's like having a Holocaust party with Nazi or Hitler Youth uniforms and asking why it's racist or anti-semitic.

Not the same thing at all. There was much in the antebellum South that was not dominated by slavery. And, FWIW, hoop skirts were also worn in the North.

The slave south was worse than Nazi Germany. And, even though Nazi Germany was horrific, it's not even that close.

OMFG. SMH. I can't even. Wow that's just umm, well, you know. No you surely don't know and are proud of purity too. You are blinded by your own smugness.

Is this a response? What metric would you use to argue that the antebellum South was less monstrous than Nazi Germany?

Yes, it's a response. It's really hard to answer without blowing up this thread and I don't want to do that. I'll just say that making this comparison is deeply offensive to many Jews. If you can't see this, I am sorry. I am not the one to explain it to you.

NP, and I am not going to argue if the south and slavery was worse than Nazi Germany. Not constructive. But I do not know a single Jewish person who would be offended at parallels being drawn between slavery, a 200 year old holocaust event in this country, and the Jewish holocaust.

That's not what was done

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the point in ranking atrocities? Don’t celebrate a lifestyle made possible by slavery. Don’t celebrate people who tried to exterminate others. Basically, don’t cosplay perpetrators of crimes against humanity.

Attempting to drive a wedge between different populations that have been brutally victimized and oppressed is shameful. Stop it.

The point is that it's a race to bottom that some are determined to win. Gold medals in the oppression Olympics!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand that asking this question invites all kinds of criticism. I am asking sincerely. Help me understand why wearing pretty dresses to a party is racist?

Thank you.

Antebellum means the period before war; Antebellum South means the American south pre-Civil War that was dominated by slavery, socially and economically. It's embarrassing to 'party' in this way. It's like having a Holocaust party with Nazi or Hitler Youth uniforms and asking why it's racist or anti-semitic.

Not the same thing at all. There was much in the antebellum South that was not dominated by slavery. And, FWIW, hoop skirts were also worn in the North.

The slave south was worse than Nazi Germany. And, even though Nazi Germany was horrific, it's not even that close.

OMFG. SMH. I can't even. Wow that's just umm, well, you know. No you surely don't know and are proud of purity too. You are blinded by your own smugness.

Is this a response? What metric would you use to argue that the antebellum South was less monstrous than Nazi Germany?

Yes, it's a response. It's really hard to answer without blowing up this thread and I don't want to do that. I'll just say that making this comparison is deeply offensive to many Jews. If you can't see this, I am sorry. I am not the one to explain it to you.

NP, and I am not going to argue if the south and slavery was worse than Nazi Germany. Not constructive. But I do not know a single Jewish person who would be offended at parallels being drawn between slavery, a 200 year old holocaust event in this country, and the Jewish holocaust.

That's not what was done

What wasn't done?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand that asking this question invites all kinds of criticism. I am asking sincerely. Help me understand why wearing pretty dresses to a party is racist?

Thank you.

Antebellum means the period before war; Antebellum South means the American south pre-Civil War that was dominated by slavery, socially and economically. It's embarrassing to 'party' in this way. It's like having a Holocaust party with Nazi or Hitler Youth uniforms and asking why it's racist or anti-semitic.

Not the same thing at all. There was much in the antebellum South that was not dominated by slavery. And, FWIW, hoop skirts were also worn in the North.

The slave south was worse than Nazi Germany. And, even though Nazi Germany was horrific, it's not even that close.

OMFG. SMH. I can't even. Wow that's just umm, well, you know. No you surely don't know and are proud of purity too. You are blinded by your own smugness.

Is this a response? What metric would you use to argue that the antebellum South was less monstrous than Nazi Germany?

Yes, it's a response. It's really hard to answer without blowing up this thread and I don't want to do that. I'll just say that making this comparison is deeply offensive to many Jews. If you can't see this, I am sorry. I am not the one to explain it to you.

NP, and I am not going to argue if the south and slavery was worse than Nazi Germany. Not constructive. But I do not know a single Jewish person who would be offended at parallels being drawn between slavery, a 200 year old holocaust event in this country, and the Jewish holocaust.

That's not what was done

What wasn't done?

The post in question argued that slavery was worse than Nazi Germany. You are right, it is not constructive. It is offensive to whichever victim is told their own horror is "not as bad." Parallels are fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the point in ranking atrocities? Don’t celebrate a lifestyle made possible by slavery. Don’t celebrate people who tried to exterminate others. Basically, don’t cosplay perpetrators of crimes against humanity.

Attempting to drive a wedge between different populations that have been brutally victimized and oppressed is shameful. Stop it.

The point is to make it clear that celebrating the South is every bit as offensive as celebrating Nazi Germany. That's not really a notion that's sunk in. And I think it's because people somehow think the Nazis were worse than the slavers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is the point in ranking atrocities? Don’t celebrate a lifestyle made possible by slavery. Don’t celebrate people who tried to exterminate others. Basically, don’t cosplay perpetrators of crimes against humanity.

Attempting to drive a wedge between different populations that have been brutally victimized and oppressed is shameful. Stop it.

The point is to make it clear that celebrating the South is every bit as offensive as celebrating Nazi Germany. That's not really a notion that's sunk in. And I think it's because people somehow think the Nazis were worse than the slavers.

You have not made that point clear at all. And in your failure to do so, you have offended other people, which calls into question your own ability to decide what is or isn't offensive.

There are better defensive of your position that don't involve such invidious comparisons. They were made on this very thread. Go back and read them. Please.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is the point in ranking atrocities? Don’t celebrate a lifestyle made possible by slavery. Don’t celebrate people who tried to exterminate others. Basically, don’t cosplay perpetrators of crimes against humanity.

Attempting to drive a wedge between different populations that have been brutally victimized and oppressed is shameful. Stop it.

The point is to make it clear that celebrating the South is every bit as offensive as celebrating Nazi Germany. That's not really a notion that's sunk in. And I think it's because people somehow think the Nazis were worse than the slavers.

So your tactic to make that point is to minimize the Holocaust?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the point in ranking atrocities? Don’t celebrate a lifestyle made possible by slavery. Don’t celebrate people who tried to exterminate others. Basically, don’t cosplay perpetrators of crimes against humanity.

Attempting to drive a wedge between different populations that have been brutally victimized and oppressed is shameful. Stop it.

The point is to make it clear that celebrating the South is every bit as offensive as celebrating Nazi Germany. That's not really a notion that's sunk in. And I think it's because people somehow think the Nazis were worse than the slavers.

So your tactic to make that point is to minimize the Holocaust?

Calling the Holocaust horrific isn't minimizing it.