What ever happened to Crown HS?

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

but but but .. neighborhood schools!

Perhaps you did t hear bit, according to the boundary analysis, 90+ % of MoCo supports neighborhood schools. Conversely, only a small % of MoCo said diversity was important to them.

which is why some of the Wootton neighborhoods would and should be zoned for Crown HS, because it's closer.

Unfortunately the way the boundary policy was revised I. 2018, that don't matter as much as the skin color and family income. If a poor school "needs" UMC whites and Asians, that's where those kids will be bused.

If the umc white/asians live equidistant or closer to the "poor" school, then they should take the bus there, and that's what it looks like for Crown HS. There are some Wootton neighborhoods that are closer or about equidistant to Crown site as Wootton.

Please look at the service map for wootton. Do you even know where Crown HS is being built? HINT: right on the border with Wootton boundary. That means the neighborhood school for that area is Crown HS, not Wootton.
Dufief and Stone Mill neighborhoods are closer to Crown than Wootton; Travilah is about equidistant. So, if you want neighborhood schools, those areas should be zoned for Crown.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234map.pdf

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It's not Crown they'll bus your UMC white/Asian kids to. It's Gaithersburg or perhaps Northwest, whichever needs them more. Good luck!

That’s fear mongering. Crown or quince orchard or Richard Montgomery are the possibilities for Wootton. Others are simply too far away

You forgot Gaithersburg and Northwest which are also possibilities and, according to the boundary policy, desperately need UMC white and Asian kids.

Like I stated before, if they are currently taking a 10min bus ride to Wootton , then get rezoned to take a 10min bus ride to NW to address the FOUR factors in drawing boundaries, one of which is diversity, then yes, it might happen, and it should because, once again, diversity has been one of the four factors for a while now. And before that poster posts about what they said in 2018, yes, I'm fully aware. I'm also fully aware that even before 2018, when boundaries were drawn they looked at diversity because, once again, diversity has been one of the four factors.

I'm also fully aware that in the upcounty boundary selection, they did not select the option that had diversity as the #1 priority. So, this proves that they don't ONLY look at diversity, but all four factors. And this will play out with Crown HS boundary as well. Some people will get zoned to another HS. If you build a new HS, that's what happens. People get reassigned.

OK, you got me. In the Clarksburg study, they selected the option that buses the SECOND most number of kids that they could have. That's still FAR more kids than should have been bused of diversity was DE-prioritized in the boundary policy like 90% of MoCo would like.

As for bus rides, unfortunately the boundary policy doesn't limit times spent on a bus. So if a student has a 10 minute ride to Wootton, they could have a 25 minute ride to Gaithersburg. This is the result of diversity being prioritized in the boundary policy back in 2018.

I don’t believe they will bus kids 10 min from Wootton to Gaithersburg 25 min away. That makes no economical sense at all given the tight budget they have.

You are correct that it makes no sense. But they can (and probably will do it). It just depends on the number of pro-busing BOE members at the time of the boundary study. Making diversity the priority in the boundary policy didn't make any sense either but they did it. And then they tried to ram through a busing scheme that was stopped in part by the pandemic but mostly because the survey results showed that 90% of MoCo values sending kids to their closest school. This doesn't mean that the BOE can't override this sentiment and nlbus kids anyway.

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Can RM lose both King Farm and Fallsgrove? What does that do to both race and FARMS? And does that mean you are chopping up College Gardens?

They could move Woodley Gardens back to CG to make up for losing KG. It was moved to Beall when Rustin opened.

That is not going to happen. This is a HS rezoning effort only.

I hope it only rezones HS, but since the triangle of fallsmead and falls grove from Ritchie park may move to crown, it seems mcps may have to redraw ES boundaries to make sense

Or they could do some split articulations.

There will have to be some split articulations, because they're not also building a new middle school. So the Crown cluster would have no middle school of its own. I don't see them rezoning all of any of the nearby middle schools (Lakelands Park, GMS, Frost, West) to Crown, but all could be split-articulated to Crown and their current HS.

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Can RM lose both King Farm and Fallsgrove? What does that do to both race and FARMS? And does that mean you are chopping up College Gardens?

They could move Woodley Gardens back to CG to make up for losing KG. It was moved to Beall when Rustin opened.

That is not going to happen. This is a HS rezoning effort only.

I hope it only rezones HS, but since the triangle of fallsmead and falls grove from Ritchie park may move to crown, it seems mcps may have to redraw ES boundaries to make sense

There could be split articulation but at the HS level only. FG continues to go to RP, then FG could end up at Crown for HS. There is split articulation now within MCPS. Wootton cluster currently has split articulation -- Cold Spring neighborhoods go to CJMS then to Wootton for HS. So, split articulation is not a new thing.

Cold spring is a whole ES going to Cabin John. Do they have split articulation at ES level?

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

but but but .. neighborhood schools!

Perhaps you did t hear bit, according to the boundary analysis, 90+ % of MoCo supports neighborhood schools. Conversely, only a small % of MoCo said diversity was important to them.

which is why some of the Wootton neighborhoods would and should be zoned for Crown HS, because it's closer.

Unfortunately the way the boundary policy was revised I. 2018, that don't matter as much as the skin color and family income. If a poor school "needs" UMC whites and Asians, that's where those kids will be bused.

If the umc white/asians live equidistant or closer to the "poor" school, then they should take the bus there, and that's what it looks like for Crown HS. There are some Wootton neighborhoods that are closer or about equidistant to Crown site as Wootton.

Please look at the service map for wootton. Do you even know where Crown HS is being built? HINT: right on the border with Wootton boundary. That means the neighborhood school for that area is Crown HS, not Wootton.
Dufief and Stone Mill neighborhoods are closer to Crown than Wootton; Travilah is about equidistant. So, if you want neighborhood schools, those areas should be zoned for Crown.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234map.pdf

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It's not Crown they'll bus your UMC white/Asian kids to. It's Gaithersburg or perhaps Northwest, whichever needs them more. Good luck!

That’s fear mongering. Crown or quince orchard or Richard Montgomery are the possibilities for Wootton. Others are simply too far away

You forgot Gaithersburg and Northwest which are also possibilities and, according to the boundary policy, desperately need UMC white and Asian kids.

Like I stated before, if they are currently taking a 10min bus ride to Wootton , then get rezoned to take a 10min bus ride to NW to address the FOUR factors in drawing boundaries, one of which is diversity, then yes, it might happen, and it should because, once again, diversity has been one of the four factors for a while now. And before that poster posts about what they said in 2018, yes, I'm fully aware. I'm also fully aware that even before 2018, when boundaries were drawn they looked at diversity because, once again, diversity has been one of the four factors.

I'm also fully aware that in the upcounty boundary selection, they did not select the option that had diversity as the #1 priority. So, this proves that they don't ONLY look at diversity, but all four factors. And this will play out with Crown HS boundary as well. Some people will get zoned to another HS. If you build a new HS, that's what happens. People get reassigned.

OK, you got me. In the Clarksburg study, they selected the option that buses the SECOND most number of kids that they could have. That's still FAR more kids than should have been bused of diversity was DE-prioritized in the boundary policy like 90% of MoCo would like.

As for bus rides, unfortunately the boundary policy doesn't limit times spent on a bus. So if a student has a 10 minute ride to Wootton, they could have a 25 minute ride to Gaithersburg. This is the result of diversity being prioritized in the boundary policy back in 2018.

I don’t believe they will bus kids 10 min from Wootton to Gaithersburg 25 min away. That makes no economical sense at all given the tight budget they have.

You are correct that it makes no sense. But they can (and probably will do it). It just depends on the number of pro-busing BOE members at the time of the boundary study. Making diversity the priority in the boundary policy didn't make any sense either but they did it. And then they tried to ram through a busing scheme that was stopped in part by the pandemic but mostly because the survey results showed that 90% of MoCo values sending kids to their closest school. This doesn't mean that the BOE can't override this sentiment and nlbus kids anyway.

Busing is not one way, if they bus Wootton kids 25 min away, they’ll also bus other district kids 25 min or more. Overall it’s going to make 270 more congested and increase cost on buses and gas. Such radical widespread redistricting will definitely result in huge pushback and exodus

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Can RM lose both King Farm and Fallsgrove? What does that do to both race and FARMS? And does that mean you are chopping up College Gardens?

They could move Woodley Gardens back to CG to make up for losing KG. It was moved to Beall when Rustin opened.

That is not going to happen. This is a HS rezoning effort only.

I hope it only rezones HS, but since the triangle of fallsmead and falls grove from Ritchie park may move to crown, it seems mcps may have to redraw ES boundaries to make sense

There could be split articulation but at the HS level only. FG continues to go to RP, then FG could end up at Crown for HS. There is split articulation now within MCPS. Wootton cluster currently has split articulation -- Cold Spring neighborhoods go to CJMS then to Wootton for HS. So, split articulation is not a new thing.

Cold spring is a whole ES going to Cabin John. Do they have split articulation at ES level?

Sometimes, yes. Diamond ES goes to Lakelands Park and Ridgeview. Pine Crest ES goes to Eastern and SSIMS, after a recent boundary change.

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I don’t believe they will bus kids 10 min from Wootton to Gaithersburg 25 min away. That makes no economical sense at all given the tight budget they have.

You are correct that it makes no sense. But they can (and probably will do it). It just depends on the number of pro-busing BOE members at the time of the boundary study. Making diversity the priority in the boundary policy didn't make any sense either but they did it. And then they tried to ram through a busing scheme that was stopped in part by the pandemic but mostly because the survey results showed that 90% of MoCo values sending kids to their closest school. This doesn't mean that the BOE can't override this sentiment and nlbus kids anyway.

Busing is not one way, if they bus Wootton kids 25 min away, they’ll also bus other district kids 25 min or more. Overall it’s going to make 270 more congested and increase cost on buses and gas. Such radical widespread redistricting will definitely result in huge pushback and exodus

Which is exactly what was noted in the upcounty study as the reason why an option with lengthy bus rides was eliminated from consideration.

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OK, you got me. In the Clarksburg study, they selected the option that buses the SECOND most number of kids that they could have. That's still FAR more kids than should have been bused of diversity was DE-prioritized in the boundary policy like 90% of MoCo would like.

As for bus rides, unfortunately the boundary policy doesn't limit times spent on a bus. So if a student has a 10 minute ride to Wootton, they could have a 25 minute ride to Gaithersburg. This is the result of diversity being prioritized in the boundary policy back in 2018.

That's just plain false. In the NW-SVHS-CHS boundary study, nobody who was a walker was reassigned to be bused. Everyone who is currently bused was already being bused. And many people who had been bused are now walkers.

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

but but but .. neighborhood schools!

Perhaps you did t hear bit, according to the boundary analysis, 90+ % of MoCo supports neighborhood schools. Conversely, only a small % of MoCo said diversity was important to them.

which is why some of the Wootton neighborhoods would and should be zoned for Crown HS, because it's closer.

Unfortunately the way the boundary policy was revised I. 2018, that don't matter as much as the skin color and family income. If a poor school "needs" UMC whites and Asians, that's where those kids will be bused.

If the umc white/asians live equidistant or closer to the "poor" school, then they should take the bus there, and that's what it looks like for Crown HS. There are some Wootton neighborhoods that are closer or about equidistant to Crown site as Wootton.

Please look at the service map for wootton. Do you even know where Crown HS is being built? HINT: right on the border with Wootton boundary. That means the neighborhood school for that area is Crown HS, not Wootton.
Dufief and Stone Mill neighborhoods are closer to Crown than Wootton; Travilah is about equidistant. So, if you want neighborhood schools, those areas should be zoned for Crown.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234map.pdf

-umc white/asian family

It's not Crown they'll bus your UMC white/Asian kids to. It's Gaithersburg or perhaps Northwest, whichever needs them more. Good luck!

That’s fear mongering. Crown or quince orchard or Richard Montgomery are the possibilities for Wootton. Others are simply too far away

+1 The area that may get rezoned to GHS will be King Farm, which currently is zoned for RM.

Can RM lose both King Farm and Fallsgrove? What does that do to both race and FARMS? And does that mean you are chopping up College Gardens?

I feel each cluster will lose one (or half) at most. But which one is a question. I doubt MCPS will totally reshuffle the districts.

I can see all of King Farm going to Gaithersburg so that the neighborhood is no longer split.

Fallsgrove is a lot closer to Crown than RM...

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Can RM lose both King Farm and Fallsgrove? What does that do to both race and FARMS? And does that mean you are chopping up College Gardens?

They could move Woodley Gardens back to CG to make up for losing KG. It was moved to Beall when Rustin opened.

That is not going to happen. This is a HS rezoning effort only.

I hope it only rezones HS, but since the triangle of fallsmead and falls grove from Ritchie park may move to crown, it seems mcps may have to redraw ES boundaries to make sense

There could be split articulation but at the HS level only. FG continues to go to RP, then FG could end up at Crown for HS. There is split articulation now within MCPS. Wootton cluster currently has split articulation -- Cold Spring neighborhoods go to CJMS then to Wootton for HS. So, split articulation is not a new thing.

Cold spring is a whole ES going to Cabin John. Do they have split articulation at ES level?

Sometimes, yes. Diamond ES goes to Lakelands Park and Ridgeview. Pine Crest ES goes to Eastern and SSIMS, after a recent boundary change.

How terrible. They should never split elementary schools.

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I don’t believe they will bus kids 10 min from Wootton to Gaithersburg 25 min away. That makes no economical sense at all given the tight budget they have.

You are correct that it makes no sense. But they can (and probably will do it). It just depends on the number of pro-busing BOE members at the time of the boundary study. Making diversity the priority in the boundary policy didn't make any sense either but they did it. And then they tried to ram through a busing scheme that was stopped in part by the pandemic but mostly because the survey results showed that 90% of MoCo values sending kids to their closest school. This doesn't mean that the BOE can't override this sentiment and nlbus kids anyway.

Busing is not one way, if they bus Wootton kids 25 min away, they’ll also bus other district kids 25 min or more. Overall it’s going to make 270 more congested and increase cost on buses and gas. Such radical widespread redistricting will definitely result in huge pushback and exodus

Which is exactly what was noted in the upcounty study as the reason why an option with lengthy bus rides was eliminated from consideration.

Right. They chose the option with the SECOND most number of kids bused.

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OK, you got me. In the Clarksburg study, they selected the option that buses the SECOND most number of kids that they could have. That's still FAR more kids than should have been bused of diversity was DE-prioritized in the boundary policy like 90% of MoCo would like.

As for bus rides, unfortunately the boundary policy doesn't limit times spent on a bus. So if a student has a 10 minute ride to Wootton, they could have a 25 minute ride to Gaithersburg. This is the result of diversity being prioritized in the boundary policy back in 2018.

That's just plain false. In the NW-SVHS-CHS boundary study, nobody who was a walker was reassigned to be bused. Everyone who is currently bused was already being bused. And many people who had been bused are now walkers.

And many of those kids who were on buses for 10 minutes each way are now on buses for 30 minutes each way for the purposes of diversity. That's busing.

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Can RM lose both King Farm and Fallsgrove? What does that do to both race and FARMS? And does that mean you are chopping up College Gardens?

They could move Woodley Gardens back to CG to make up for losing KG. It was moved to Beall when Rustin opened.

That is not going to happen. This is a HS rezoning effort only.

I hope it only rezones HS, but since the triangle of fallsmead and falls grove from Ritchie park may move to crown, it seems mcps may have to redraw ES boundaries to make sense

There could be split articulation but at the HS level only. FG continues to go to RP, then FG could end up at Crown for HS. There is split articulation now within MCPS. Wootton cluster currently has split articulation -- Cold Spring neighborhoods go to CJMS then to Wootton for HS. So, split articulation is not a new thing.

Cold spring is a whole ES going to Cabin John. Do they have split articulation at ES level?

Sometimes, yes. Diamond ES goes to Lakelands Park and Ridgeview. Pine Crest ES goes to Eastern and SSIMS, after a recent boundary change.

How terrible. They should never split elementary schools.

But you keep saying you want proximity to be the #1 priority. If everyone goes to their closest schools, that would mean more split articulations.

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OK, you got me. In the Clarksburg study, they selected the option that buses the SECOND most number of kids that they could have. That's still FAR more kids than should have been bused of diversity was DE-prioritized in the boundary policy like 90% of MoCo would like.

As for bus rides, unfortunately the boundary policy doesn't limit times spent on a bus. So if a student has a 10 minute ride to Wootton, they could have a 25 minute ride to Gaithersburg. This is the result of diversity being prioritized in the boundary policy back in 2018.

That's just plain false. In the NW-SVHS-CHS boundary study, nobody who was a walker was reassigned to be bused. Everyone who is currently bused was already being bused. And many people who had been bused are now walkers.

And many of those kids who were on buses for 10 minutes each way are now on buses for 30 minutes each way for the purposes of diversity. That's busing.

Yeah no, that's not busing. That's kids being bused to this school vs. kids being bused to that school. Also you need to provide specific numbers about how many of those "many of those" kids, as well as which bus routes, specifically, you're talking about.

And why do you consistently ignore the fact that, after the upcounty boundary study, MORE KIDS ARE NOW WALKERS?

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How terrible. They should never split elementary schools.

Never? Why?

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OK, you got me. In the Clarksburg study, they selected the option that buses the SECOND most number of kids that they could have. That's still FAR more kids than should have been bused of diversity was DE-prioritized in the boundary policy like 90% of MoCo would like.

As for bus rides, unfortunately the boundary policy doesn't limit times spent on a bus. So if a student has a 10 minute ride to Wootton, they could have a 25 minute ride to Gaithersburg. This is the result of diversity being prioritized in the boundary policy back in 2018.

That's just plain false. In the NW-SVHS-CHS boundary study, nobody who was a walker was reassigned to be bused. Everyone who is currently bused was already being bused. And many people who had been bused are now walkers.

And many of those kids who were on buses for 10 minutes each way are now on buses for 30 minutes each way for the purposes of diversity. That's busing.

Yeah no, that's not busing. That's kids being bused to this school vs. kids being bused to that school. Also you need to provide specific numbers about how many of those "many of those" kids, as well as which bus routes, specifically, you're talking about.

And why do you consistently ignore the fact that, after the upcounty boundary study, MORE KIDS ARE NOW WALKERS?

NP here. You're both right but here's a clearer statement: In the upcounty boundary study, the vast majority of kids in Clarksburg went from having a 10-15 min bus ride to a 30-35 min bus ride to the high school, and in Germantown, more kids are now walkers to the high school.