US News 2020 rankings

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is a garbage commuter school. It should be ranked 75, not 25. UVA has a 1550 SAT average while Umich is only 1250 average, how is UVA ranked lower? what a joke ranking.

Wow you wildly overstate UVA's stats. There's no reason to make up an inflated number for a really great college like UVA. It's 75th percentile SAT score is just 1500 -- in other words only 25% of UVA students beat 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Accordion to prep scholar, UVA’s average SAT is 1365, while Michigan’s is 1415. The acceptance rates are both 27-28%. I don’t know where the Michigan bashing poster got his/her numbers. Even Harvard doesn’t have an average SAT of 1550; it’s 1520.

Accordion should be according

The initial post in this thread was a Michigan supporter trying to make a joke sarcastic post. Sarcasm doesn't usually come across too well on the web. There was no attempt to provide real numbers. That said, I think the Prep Scholar ones you provided are not current or correct.

From their actual websites:

Michigan: 1380-1540 (25th/75th percentiles)
UVA: 1330-1500

Michigan is a bit higher now, actually!

Let the rationalization begin from the Michigan bashers.

That sounds about right. The Prep Scholar numbers were wrong, though, and that was my point. My other point, again lost, was that initial post here was a sarcastic Michigan supporter post. You are trying to flip that fact around and make it appear as if it was a UVA supporter.

You can't directly calculate mean from middle 50%, but taking the midpoint usually puts you in the ballpark. This would make UVA about 1395 (30 points higher than Prep Scholar) and Michigan about 1460.

If you went back a few years, William & Mary, Georgia Tech, and UVA were typically at the top of SAT scores for public schools. One of the things that has happened is GT and Michigan have moved ahead and Berkeley and others have come up quite a bit. So the landscape overall is changing, even though DCUM largely focuses on how selective UVA is becoming.

US news gives the avg Test scores for the schools if you have a subscription.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is a garbage commuter school. It should be ranked 75, not 25. UVA has a 1550 SAT average while Umich is only 1250 average, how is UVA ranked lower? what a joke ranking.

??

Not a Michigan booster, but I just had to look this one up. Did I miss something?

Michigan average ACT/SAT:
30-34
1330-1510

UVA average ACT/SAT:
30-34
1330-1500

This is the University of Florida. So very similar to Michigan and UVA.

2019 Freshman Profile
GPA: 4.3-4.6
ACT: 29-33
SAT: 1330-1460

And the cost for instate students is about half -- And much less than that for all the kids who got the Florida Bright Futures Scholarship, funded by the state lottery.


I grew up in Florida, and most of my friends sending their kids to college did the Florida Prepaid Tuition program. Between that and Bright Futures, their kids are walking out with no debt and the parents are socking all that college money away into retirement, instead.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is a garbage commuter school. It should be ranked 75, not 25. UVA has a 1550 SAT average while Umich is only 1250 average, how is UVA ranked lower? what a joke ranking.

??

Not a Michigan booster, but I just had to look this one up. Did I miss something?

Michigan average ACT/SAT:
30-34
1330-1510

UVA average ACT/SAT:
30-34
1330-1500

This is the University of Florida. So very similar to Michigan and UVA.

2019 Freshman Profile
GPA: 4.3-4.6
ACT: 29-33
SAT: 1330-1460

And the cost for instate students is about half -- And much less than that for all the kids who got the Florida Bright Futures Scholarship, funded by the state lottery.


I grew up in Florida, and most of my friends sending their kids to college did the Florida Prepaid Tuition program. Between that and Bright Futures, their kids are walking out with no debt and the parents are socking all that college money away into retirement, instead.

Is that admitted or attending?

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Enrolled on the 2018-19 CDS looks lower. Significantly more women than men in freshman class, interesting. U of F is a great value. That Benacquisto scholarship!

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Anonymous wrote:Enrolled on the 2018-19 CDS looks lower. Significantly more women than men in freshman class, interesting. U of F is a great value. That Benacquisto scholarship!

Enrolled is usually lower. Nationwide, it is heading to 60% female, 40% male. . .

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The Associated Press (very reputable) has the top 25 listed like this. This definitively shows BOTH Michigan and UMCP ranked higher than UVA, heads will explode! Noticeably absent are the Ivies and amazing schools such as Stanford, UCLA and Cal……..I mean UCF and Boise State ranked higher? Weird how they could fall that much this year, must see their methodology. I think its elitist bias against those elite West Coast PAC 12 schools.

1 Clemson
2 Alabama
3 Georgia
4 LSU
5 Oklahoma
6 Ohio State
7 Notre Dame
8 Auburn
9 Florida
10 Michigan
11 Utah
12 Texas
13 Penn State
14 Wisconsin
15 Oregon
16 Texas A&M
17 UCF
18 Michigan State
19 Iowa
20 Washington State
21 Maryland
22 Boise State
23 Washington
24 Southern California
25 Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is a garbage commuter school. It should be ranked 75, not 25. UVA has a 1550 SAT average while Umich is only 1250 average, how is UVA ranked lower? what a joke ranking.

Wow you wildly overstate UVA's stats. There's no reason to make up an inflated number for a really great college like UVA. It's 75th percentile SAT score is just 1500 -- in other words only 25% of UVA students beat 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Accordion to prep scholar, UVA’s average SAT is 1365, while Michigan’s is 1415. The acceptance rates are both 27-28%. I don’t know where the Michigan bashing poster got his/her numbers. Even Harvard doesn’t have an average SAT of 1550; it’s 1520.

Accordion should be according

The initial post in this thread was a Michigan supporter trying to make a joke sarcastic post. Sarcasm doesn't usually come across too well on the web. There was no attempt to provide real numbers. That said, I think the Prep Scholar ones you provided are not current or correct.

From their actual websites:

Michigan: 1380-1540 (25th/75th percentiles)
UVA: 1330-1500

Michigan is a bit higher now, actually!

Let the rationalization begin from the Michigan bashers.

That sounds about right. The Prep Scholar numbers were wrong, though, and that was my point. My other point, again lost, was that initial post here was a sarcastic Michigan supporter post. You are trying to flip that fact around and make it appear as if it was a UVA supporter.

You can't directly calculate mean from middle 50%, but taking the midpoint usually puts you in the ballpark. This would make UVA about 1395 (30 points higher than Prep Scholar) and Michigan about 1460.

If you went back a few years, William & Mary, Georgia Tech, and UVA were typically at the top of SAT scores for public schools. One of the things that has happened is GT and Michigan have moved ahead and Berkeley and others have come up quite a bit. So the landscape overall is changing, even though DCUM largely focuses on how selective UVA is becoming.

Something is not right with those numbers. I realize they come from the website, but I got the following from the common data set:

Michigan:
30-34
1330-1510

UVA:
30-34
1330-1500

Which makes them pretty even. What would be more accurate, the website or the CDS?

Do you see "final" on either website? CDS is final, but don't have 2019-20 yet.

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Anonymous wrote:The Associated Press (very reputable) has the top 25 listed like this. This definitively shows BOTH Michigan and UMCP ranked higher than UVA, heads will explode! Noticeably absent are the Ivies and amazing schools such as Stanford, UCLA and Cal……..I mean UCF and Boise State ranked higher? Weird how they could fall that much this year, must see their methodology. I think its elitist bias against those elite West Coast PAC 12 schools.

1 Clemson
2 Alabama
3 Georgia
4 LSU
5 Oklahoma
6 Ohio State
7 Notre Dame
8 Auburn
9 Florida
10 Michigan
11 Utah
12 Texas
13 Penn State
14 Wisconsin
15 Oregon
16 Texas A&M
17 UCF
18 Michigan State
19 Iowa
20 Washington State
21 Maryland
22 Boise State
23 Washington
24 Southern California
25 Virginia

LOL...but what I love is that ND is on the top 20 list for just about everything...academics, endowment, football...a well rounded institution.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is a garbage commuter school. It should be ranked 75, not 25. UVA has a 1550 SAT average while Umich is only 1250 average, how is UVA ranked lower? what a joke ranking.

Wow you wildly overstate UVA's stats. There's no reason to make up an inflated number for a really great college like UVA. It's 75th percentile SAT score is just 1500 -- in other words only 25% of UVA students beat 1500. https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics

Accordion to prep scholar, UVA’s average SAT is 1365, while Michigan’s is 1415. The acceptance rates are both 27-28%. I don’t know where the Michigan bashing poster got his/her numbers. Even Harvard doesn’t have an average SAT of 1550; it’s 1520.

Accordion should be according

The initial post in this thread was a Michigan supporter trying to make a joke sarcastic post. Sarcasm doesn't usually come across too well on the web. There was no attempt to provide real numbers. That said, I think the Prep Scholar ones you provided are not current or correct.

From their actual websites:

Michigan: 1380-1540 (25th/75th percentiles)
UVA: 1330-1500

Michigan is a bit higher now, actually!

Let the rationalization begin from the Michigan bashers.

That sounds about right. The Prep Scholar numbers were wrong, though, and that was my point. My other point, again lost, was that initial post here was a sarcastic Michigan supporter post. You are trying to flip that fact around and make it appear as if it was a UVA supporter.

You can't directly calculate mean from middle 50%, but taking the midpoint usually puts you in the ballpark. This would make UVA about 1395 (30 points higher than Prep Scholar) and Michigan about 1460.

If you went back a few years, William & Mary, Georgia Tech, and UVA were typically at the top of SAT scores for public schools. One of the things that has happened is GT and Michigan have moved ahead and Berkeley and others have come up quite a bit. So the landscape overall is changing, even though DCUM largely focuses on how selective UVA is becoming.

Something is not right with those numbers. I realize they come from the website, but I got the following from the common data set:

Michigan:
30-34
1330-1510

UVA:
30-34
1330-1500

Which makes them pretty even. What would be more accurate, the website or the CDS?

Do you see "final" on either website? CDS is final, but don't have 2019-20 yet.

Well in that case these are most accurate numbers and are apples to apples as they are both from 2018-19 CDS.

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Anonymous wrote:The Associated Press (very reputable) has the top 25 listed like this. This definitively shows BOTH Michigan and UMCP ranked higher than UVA, heads will explode! Noticeably absent are the Ivies and amazing schools such as Stanford, UCLA and Cal……..I mean UCF and Boise State ranked higher? Weird how they could fall that much this year, must see their methodology. I think its elitist bias against those elite West Coast PAC 12 schools.

1 Clemson
2 Alabama
3 Georgia
4 LSU
5 Oklahoma
6 Ohio State
7 Notre Dame
8 Auburn
9 Florida
10 Michigan
11 Utah
12 Texas
13 Penn State
14 Wisconsin
15 Oregon
16 Texas A&M
17 UCF
18 Michigan State
19 Iowa
20 Washington State
21 Maryland
22 Boise State
23 Washington
24 Southern California
25 Virginia

LOL...but what I love is that ND is on the top 20 list for just about everything...academics, endowment, football...a well rounded institution.

Haha

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Anonymous wrote:The Associated Press (very reputable) has the top 25 listed like this. This definitively shows BOTH Michigan and UMCP ranked higher than UVA, heads will explode! Noticeably absent are the Ivies and amazing schools such as Stanford, UCLA and Cal……..I mean UCF and Boise State ranked higher? Weird how they could fall that much this year, must see their methodology. I think its elitist bias against those elite West Coast PAC 12 schools.

1 Clemson
2 Alabama
3 Georgia
4 LSU
5 Oklahoma
6 Ohio State
7 Notre Dame
8 Auburn
9 Florida
10 Michigan
11 Utah
12 Texas
13 Penn State
14 Wisconsin
15 Oregon
16 Texas A&M
17 UCF
18 Michigan State
19 Iowa
20 Washington State
21 Maryland
22 Boise State
23 Washington
24 Southern California
25 Virginia

I will admit to being a Michigan fan but I think #10 is generous after their first two games.

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Anonymous wrote:The Associated Press (very reputable) has the top 25 listed like this. This definitively shows BOTH Michigan and UMCP ranked higher than UVA, heads will explode! Noticeably absent are the Ivies and amazing schools such as Stanford, UCLA and Cal……..I mean UCF and Boise State ranked higher? Weird how they could fall that much this year, must see their methodology. I think its elitist bias against those elite West Coast PAC 12 schools.

1 Clemson
2 Alabama
3 Georgia
4 LSU
5 Oklahoma
6 Ohio State
7 Notre Dame
8 Auburn
9 Florida
10 Michigan
11 Utah
12 Texas
13 Penn State
14 Wisconsin
15 Oregon
16 Texas A&M
17 UCF
18 Michigan State
19 Iowa
20 Washington State
21 Maryland
22 Boise State
23 Washington
24 Southern California
25 Virginia

I will admit to being a Michigan fan but I think #10 is generous after their first two games.

If they are 10, Army should be at a minimum 11.

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Anonymous wrote:The Associated Press (very reputable) has the top 25 listed like this. This definitively shows BOTH Michigan and UMCP ranked higher than UVA, heads will explode! Noticeably absent are the Ivies and amazing schools such as Stanford, UCLA and Cal……..I mean UCF and Boise State ranked higher? Weird how they could fall that much this year, must see their methodology. I think its elitist bias against those elite West Coast PAC 12 schools.

1 Clemson
2 Alabama
3 Georgia
4 LSU
5 Oklahoma
6 Ohio State
7 Notre Dame
8 Auburn
9 Florida
10 Michigan
11 Utah
12 Texas
13 Penn State
14 Wisconsin
15 Oregon
16 Texas A&M
17 UCF
18 Michigan State
19 Iowa
20 Washington State
21 Maryland
22 Boise State
23 Washington
24 Southern California
25 Virginia

LOL...but what I love is that ND is on the top 20 list for just about everything...academics, endowment, football...a well rounded institution.

Also #1 in percentage of legacies!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Associated Press (very reputable) has the top 25 listed like this. This definitively shows BOTH Michigan and UMCP ranked higher than UVA, heads will explode! Noticeably absent are the Ivies and amazing schools such as Stanford, UCLA and Cal……..I mean UCF and Boise State ranked higher? Weird how they could fall that much this year, must see their methodology. I think its elitist bias against those elite West Coast PAC 12 schools.

1 Clemson
2 Alabama
3 Georgia
4 LSU
5 Oklahoma
6 Ohio State
7 Notre Dame
8 Auburn
9 Florida
10 Michigan
11 Utah
12 Texas
13 Penn State
14 Wisconsin
15 Oregon
16 Texas A&M
17 UCF
18 Michigan State
19 Iowa
20 Washington State
21 Maryland
22 Boise State
23 Washington
24 Southern California
25 Virginia

LOL...but what I love is that ND is on the top 20 list for just about everything...academics, endowment, football...a well rounded institution.

Also #1 in percentage of legacies!

Yes, true...hoping that will change in the future. Harvard not that far behind.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Stanford not ranked top 5?

Because Stanford lags behind the schools ahead for the faculty resources and alumni giving component.

Both of these are east-coast/other region favoring, given alumni traditions for donating funds and the cost of leaving penalty against California schools for faculty salaries.

Add +1 to +3 for most California schools and you'll have a more accurate ranking.

USNWR doesn't really matter to Stanford. Regardless of what USNWR says, Stanford is at top level in prestige with Harvard (and MIT in tech).

Not that it would happen but they’d sure care if they started to really tank. As silly as it all is the perception of excellence matters to a whole lot of people.

I think the USNWR reputation would go before Stanford. While Princeton is a great school and has been top ranked for 8 years or so, I don't know of anyone who really thinks it has overtaken Harvard at the pinnacle of the Ivy League. I'm sure cross-admit choices would show that.

Agreed. As far as what impresses the average person on the street (which really what people who care about rankings care about), Harvard is #1 and it will take a seismic shift to shake that. Dropping the H bomb.

The main USNews rankings are undergraduate focused. Princeton undergrad is generally seen as top-notch. Harvard has more graduate school prestige.